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#1 Posted by thejman250 (154 posts) - - Show Bio

@end_boss said:

WARNING. MAJOR, LEGITIMATE SPOILERS TO FOLLOW. IF YOU HAVE NOT READ ISSUE #17, STOP READING NOW.

Now, with that out of the way, let's get to jawin'. Was I the only one incredibly underwhelmed by the story's conclusion? I mean, the build-up was more intense than the climax, and that's never a good sign. All of that waiting just to have the Joker do essentially nothing to the Family. I mean yes, at the end of the issue everyone blows off a summons from Bruce, but is that really the grand effect that Joker wanted? If so, shouldn't this have just been called "The Family Takes a Break"? Maybe "Family Vacation"? No one dies, not Alfred, not Damian, not Jason Todd and we get cheated out of the Joker's death by the tiredest trope in superhero fiction: the villain tumbles over a cliff into a fall that he cannot possibly survive, yet no body is found. Then there's some "character development" between Bruce and Joker, but its ultimately something we've always known: the Joker doesn't care who's under the cowl. This shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone, and if it does, you haven't been paying enough attention, because it's practically a hallmark of the clown's character.

How boring. Just for reference, the same thing was done at the end of the first Dark Knight trade with Bane (as far as fake deaths go), and we all know how that arc fared...

To top it all off, the last panel has Bruce analyzing the leftovers in the Family's bloodstream from Joker's toxin, and he finds out that the element that remains has "Ha" as its symbol on the periodic table. What a f%#@ing masterstroke, Joker. You made Batman remember his tenth grade chemistry class.

Ugh. Anyway. What are your thoughts on the "epic conclusion"?

- I agree for the most part.

- I'll just paste this here instead of reiterating myself.

@muyjingo said:

The biggest problem is that there was no real death of the family, nothing really major happened to drive them apart. There was one scene in the cave where the family says Bruce should have told them, then at the end of the arc they all make up excuses to blow him off. Nothing major, and they will team up again as necessary. I bet any money in this Riddler story they will still trust Bruce's decisions.

DofF should have been about manipulating characters, making them doubt each other and so at the end, they really have nothing to do with each other. As it is at the moment, it's forgettable because nothing major happened between the family.

The scene in the cave and the ending of 17 could have been in one issue, minus all the superhero joker stuff with the same result.

- Additionally, it's another trivial story with the Joker who, as far as i'm concerned, should have been dead a long time ago.

- However, we simply get some ridiculous explanation from Bruce as to why he doesn't kill the joker.

- Gee, Bruce is scared of Gotham bringing something out that's worse than the joker? Boo hoo Bruce, do you need alfred to tuck you in at night as well, or should that role be given only to the joker who is your apparent "butt buddy" and accomplice?

- Oh , and the joker just gets away again does he? Or he "seemingly falls to his death"? Yes, because that isn't highly cliche.

- As far as i'm concerned, DOTF was one of the most trivial , irrelevant and cliche stories i have ever read in Comics. Fortunately for snyder, it's a significant ways away from taking that title for me.

- However, i will definitely not be picking up Snyder's drivel in trade.

#2 Posted by thejman250 (154 posts) - - Show Bio

Okay Riddler is my favorite Batman villain(Joker is just a favorite villain in general), but we haven't gotten to see him DO anything in the New 52. Personally I would like them to make Riddler Joker's equal, like how dangerous he is.

How to do this? Riddler is a narcissist and people with severe narcissism are known to do things that will get them attention, anything really. If it involves doing something horrible? Then yeah they'll do it. Full list of what narcissism entails are as follows:

Reacting to criticism with anger, shame, or humiliation

Taking advantage of others to reach own goals

Exaggerating own importance, achievements, and talents

Imagining unrealistic fantasies of success, beauty, power, intelligence, or romance

Requiring constant attention be it positive or negative

Becoming jealous easily

Lacking empathy and disregarding the feelings of others

Being obsessed with self

Pursuing mainly selfish goals

Trouble keeping healthy relationships

Becoming easily hurt and rejected

Setting goals that are unrealistic

Wanting "the best" of everything

This fits Riddler to a T. Also here's something that furthers the point

A lot of these traps for the people Batman has to save in the game would definitely lead to a Saw-esque death. Which actually brings me to my next point. Currently there's been a theme going for all of Batman's villains. Make them horror themed. This really started with Rocksteady's Arkham game series, with characters like Scarecrow, Solomon Grundy, and Riddler to name a few being more or less modeled after horror movie characters. Scarecrow after Freddy Kruger, Grundy after Frankenstein(The electrical aspect and undead nature), and finally Riddler who's traps were obviously lifted right out of Saw.

What I would like to see is a story where Riddler gets an idea. People are always afraid of The Joker while they treat him with little respect. This drives Mr. Nigma to step up his game. Now this isn't to say he's not compelling on his own or to compare him to Joker, but with his narcissism Riddler wouldn't take this lying down. Picture this scene in a comic

Sure he's never done anything this bad, but if you're going for a darker more driven version then this is pretty much what you'd get. Now this isn't to say make Riddler a Jigsaw rip off, but make it where he's a VERY big threat that's pushing Batman not only mentally but physically.

- I'm personally not looking forward to anything snyder writes besides Zero Year.

#3 Edited by thejman250 (154 posts) - - Show Bio

@drgnx said:

@thejman250 said:

@drgnx said:

@thejman250 said:

@drgnx said:

So basically after more tantrums in place of logical argument presentation, we get to one post worth addressing where you completely dodged the question on how Senerstro and Hal returning to the corps effects how forced Baz was?

Once again, you miss the point. Batman is always recruiting, the way he is bringing in the character "in story" is similar to the way he brought in the other JL members. The way DC is rectifying this is similar to how they have historically introduced other new characters that they wanted to link to existing characters.

And according to you, it is okay for a new lantern to appear suddenly in the story but the new Batwing because Baz was planned by DC in advance and Luke was not or because he is not being forced to integrate into existing characters lives as fast? Assuming this is one of your reasons, how does that tie back to your issue with "Luke" being Black for the sake of diversity while claiming that Baz is clearly not Ariabic for the sake of Diversity?

And yes, I have several friends and relatives who spell their names or middle names "Luc". Is their customs a problem for you too? And again, the guy who lacks any concept of articulation is in no place to talk about displays of language.

- "Sinestro" sir. Apparently you like to put your grade school spelling competency on a large display.

- Actually, i did answer the question however, you apparently didn't read it or it wasn't the answer you wanted. Surprise, surprise.

- According to me, a new lantern appearing when one dies is a tautology as the ring is programmed to choose another user.

- You can like it or dislike it, it was going to happen regardless.

- You clearly are illiterate. You asked me why i thought Baz wasn't forced and i actually entertained you. I suggest you go back and read what i said as this question has already been answered. You are able to read, aren't you? I assume you can read up to some minimal capacity because you've been quoting me, albeit with utter drivel.

- One who doesn't comprehend the basics of the English language which five year olds know, is in no place to speak about language or articulation.

Yup an entire post of you still not providing any sort of real argument.... surprise surprise ..sweetheart!

As for your previous posts, you did a great job supporting your non-points, that I seem too illiterate to read, when you said:

- "any sort of real argument" is just your opinion You'll have to do better than that if you actually expect me to care.

- Whatever i've said that i felt actually needed to be supported was as far as i'm concerned. If it didn't fit your criteria for that, or you didn't read it feel free to cry me a river.

Yup, GREAT PROOF.

- If you're done with quoting me with nonsense, i implore you not to quote me with your idiotic drivel any further However, you'll probably continue to quote me with more ignorant nonsense. Surprise, surprise.

@drgnx said:

@thejman250 said:

@drgnx said:

@thejman250 said:

LMAO, then why don't you post your argument instead of telling me I'm illiterate? You should at least be smart enough to know how to copy and paste. Since my interpretation/opinion of what diversity simply for the sake of diversity means is not right, and according to you it is so simple, you should not have any issue elaborating.

- You mean that DC is having Diversity simply for the sake of diversity? This was posted ages ago, you're just illiterate.

- You're "interpretation" of it is that it's ignorance(according to your drivel) and that's simply your opinion that i don't care for.

Since you can't attack my points you attack me directly. How cute. Don't have a cow man, it is just the internet.

- What points? You mean your drivel that you fabricated into my agument , or the points you brought up that couldn't adequately defeat the points that you fabriccated? Ok kid.

No you brought up points about these characters being white since they were created which added nothing to the discussion. But please explain how them being white since their creation makes them replacing other white character okay, while Luc replacing David isn't, or how it somehow ties to your diversity for the sake of Diversity argument. Dazzle me with your brilliance.

- I brought up points in response to your fabricating drivel into my argument. Ok.

- You know what, it wouldn't tie to my "diversity simply for the sake of diversity" because that's my argument and this drivel was something that you brought into the conversation. Common sense.

Actually you did when you defended Dick, Azriel, Wally replacing white characters using their prior integration to the universe and when you said "Then i think you need better examples for your point than Batman being replaced by Batman jr. who has been there for over 50 years or so. Not some random black guy being introduced in africa, and then being replaced by a guy who wasn't even in continuity at all as far as i know."

- i mentioned them after you initially brought them into the conversation? Surprise, surprise imbecile.

So basically the only thing worth addressing in the response is "To argue the points that you fabricated into my argument?" Are you admitting then that you have offered no points in this debate? Since all the points I seem arguing against were fabricated by me? LMAO. O I must be illerate, and missing all those points you didn't feel you need to explain to the likes of me? RIGHT? OMG! Thanks for that.

- "The only thing worth addressing" is an opinion, and yours is quite trivial to me.

- My argument was that DC is having diversity simply for the sake of diversity which you clearly don't comprehend.

- Yes, the majority of this idiotic "conversation" consisted of your drivel and my responses to it. Surprise, surprise.

Hmm complete lack of any argument or explanation....Just throw insults...LMAO

- Diversity simply for the sake of diversity, doesn't need an explanation, it's common knowledge, and common sense will tell you what it is.

- If you have the brain capacity of a fish, that's not my problem.

in this debate

- Don't even flatter yourself by attempting to call this idiotic conversation a debate you imbecile.

- As if an incompetent illiterate imbecile like yourself would be worthy of having a debate with me.

But I though you were not using abruptness as points in your argument? I thought I was fabricating this. I also thought I made it clear that the level of integration a character has, has nothing to do with race, so you're attempt to keep using it to justify your hate for Luc replacing David or Or having Blacks just for diversity is pathetic. But keep using this pointer that I fabricated.

- Actually, abruptness has nothing to do with "Diversity simply for the sake of diversity"' as that can be done in a number of ways.

- My "hate for 'Luc' (you realize his name is Luke right?) replacing David"? Typical ignorance and assumptions.

- The level of integration was brought up as a response to your drivel. Don't even attempt to associate it with my argument.

- Oh , you think it's pathetic? If only i actually valued your opinion more than that of an insect's.

So after several responses of this temper tantrum we get to 1 point worth addressing, underlined for your convenience. You said "The level of integration was brought up as a response to [my] drivel. Don't even attempt to associate it with my argument." So let me get this straight, after several claims, above (and below), of me injecting this into your argument, you admit to bringing it up in response to "my drivel" and it has nothing to do with your argument. THANK YOU!!!! So the one point you brought up in the whole conversation does nothing to support your argument. Yet despite your bringing it up, I injected it into your argument? LMAO!!!!

So lets

1) Replacing a character with of one race with a character of the same race.

So if you don't have issue with a Black character replacing a Black Character, what did you mean when you said "BECAUSE HE HAS TO BE BLACK"? If this was not in response to Luc replacing David as per topic, yet linked to diversity for the sake of Diversity, explain how this "fabricated" interpretation clearly does not fit your intended objection.

2) Introducing a character abruptly (which can include replacing characters)

As you said, "[you] use one of the examples that [I] brought up to defeat the points that [I]" fab[r]icated. Which means is was "your" point! LMAO!!!!

- What i meant was that DC is having diversity simply for the sake of diversity.

- Diversity, simply for the sake of diversity is not limited to or necessarily associated with replacing a character with that of the same race, or introducing one repeatedly. Try again.

- It wasn't a point contained in my argument you imbecile However, i did use that "point" to point out how incoherent your drivel actually was.

I know this might be difficult for you to comprehend, but my comment about Luc needing to be Black for 50 years (not be 50s old but having existed in various forms for 50 years) was something called sarcasm. You used "my" fabricated argument regarding character integration to justify why Dick replacing Batman was okay vs Luc replacing David, in terms of racial scrutiny. So my question is that if Luc had been around as long as Dick was, would you stop crying that he replaced David. It is really a yes or no answer, you should be able to articulate at least that much (Y or N) with no issues, since elaboration on "diversity simply for the sake of diversity" is a bit much for you.

- To justify? No sir. I pointed out that the example you brought up was a poor example that couldn't properly defeat the points that you fabricated. I need to elaborate on a concept that an eleven year old could easily understand? Are you mentally retarded?

- If Luke had been around for 50 years in canon continuity and showed natural progression towards the role of Batwing (David would have had to be older than Luke in this scenario) , then it wouldn't be painfully obvious that DC was having diversity simply for the sake of diversity and then i might not have a problem.

Great post! Great arguments!

- Sure.

Considering you yourself already admitted the one point you brought up doesn't add you your argument, which you lack the ability to articulate upon, addressing this is moot.

Actually, and Ironically, the phrase is "Does your incompetence know no bounds". Its fitting this irony be turned back on someone trying to be witty in the face of their inability to understand sarcasm in regards to my terrorist reference being coincidental. But I completely love how you demonstrated how Simon being Arabic had nothing to do with him being Aribic, unlike Luc, who we know nothing about, is all about him being black. Great explanation!

- Actually, that wasn't the phrase i was using, and that is a question. English clearly isn't your first language.

- "Simon being Arabic had nothing to do with him being Arabic" Cute illogical drivel, it really puts your ignorance and incompetence on display.

The person who does not know how to expand their thoughts into a paragraph with supporting points and reasoning, shouldn't be talking about language. But you are right about "Simon being Arabic had nothing to do with him being Arabic", I meant "Simon being Arabic had nothing to do with DC wanting an Arabic character". I know you get easily confused and distracted, I'll be more careful in the future ... sugar.

I will point out that once again you have added a post with 0 value to support your argument... LOL!!!

Not at all, I know it is hard to keep up but I am pointing out that like Luc, Baz was introduced got recruited in the same issue, so I don't get how one could Forced and not the other. But perhaps, for clarity, you should share your definition of forced and elaboration on how Luc is forced and Baz is not. Or will you keep that to yourself like all the rest of the logic behind your arguments?

- You don't get how one could be forced and not the other? What does that have to do with me or anyone else who has a problem with the topic at hand? Tell me how we are bounded by your opinion?

- Oh, you mean the way that sinestro and Hal died so a replacement was imminent? You mean the way the ring was going to choose someone immediately regardless? You mean the way we knew that Hal and Sinestro would still be green lanterns in future issue? Yes, Luke must be less forced than Bazz. However, you'll probably stick with your opinion regardless of what i say so i'm probably wasting my time here as you seem to think your opinion is fact from time to time.

OMG, what is this, are you actually attempting to defend your stance? So tell me, have you read JLA? Because if you did, you would know that Batman and Cyborg had a list of potential candidates that was never revealed to the readers until they suddenly called on them. So Batman having Luc as an unknown candidate is actually along the same lines as the way some of the JL reserves were called in. So based on how some of the new JL members were introduced, this is in character for Batman. Just as Simon's introduction is in line with the Green Lanterns. And what relevance does whether or not Sinestro/Hal stay a green lantern have on whether or not Baz was forced? If David stayed on the team in some manner would you find "Luke" less forced?

Feel free to counter by explaining why Baz was not forced but Luc is then sweetheart. And there should be no surprises since you lack the ability to even elaborate on your own points, I'm not even sure you know what your getting at.

- "Sweetheart"? Don't flatter yourself child.

- If only the likes of you could provide something that i needed to counter.

Don't worry, there is nothing flattering about you sweetheart.

Great rebuttal that adds nothing to the argument, oh wait, that is your specialty. Paragraph corrected. Whether or no someone has an issue with the diversity of the team, wasn't the main focus, it was the fact DC makes drastic changes to other titles. But I would be baffled even more than here if someone turned that into a race issue.

- You would be baffled if people turned race changes into a race issue? Surprise, surprise.

LMAO! Like I said comprehension ... I was referring to someone making a race issue based on the changes of the team. I keep forgetting you can't remember more than one response back. Here is the sentence with the said correction.

"Even the recent Stormwatch issue had a reboot for instance (which used a timeline change to suddenly reboot the characters, change roosters and story after the last storyline ended ... and without any build up at that). While the exact nuances are different it is similar that they gave a reboot of sorts to keep the series alive and did so in an abrupt manner. But no-one is trying to look through the changes in an attempt to call out diversity mandates, because these things happen."

I'm not sure if you even know what real reasoning is sweetheart.... just saying! But you're main argument here is I'm not worthy of your effort, yet you have spent several posts going through my posts one by one? LMAO!!!! So then are you admitting to not applying reasoning to your posts or something along those lines? LMAO!!!! THANKS FOR THIS!!!!

- I'm not sure if you even know that the word "real" is subjective and that your opinion of what "real reasoning" is is not a fact.

- My main argument was that DC is having diversity simply for the sake of diversity. However, you are incredibly ignorant and illiterate.

- You aren't worthy of having a debate with me and that's clear as day as you lack the brain capacity and common sense of an eight year old.

- You should be grateful that i'm entertaining your drivel in this "conversation".

But according to you, you didn't make any points because you don't need to explain yourself to me, and and since you didn't make any points and I fabricated them all, what would I possibly need to present to show you have nothing to support your argument when you yourself have all but claimed as much?

- I made my initial point that i thought DC was having diversity simply for the sake of diversity however, you're an illiterate imbecile.

- I'm not going to explain something that is common knowledge to you simply because you have the brain capacity of a fish, your parents can do that job.

- As if i needed something to support diversity for the sake of diversity. You simply lack common sense.

So let me explain this to you again. I used the first 2 Batgirls as example of characters where introduced in the same manner as Luc. They appeared out of nowhere and were integrated into the history of relatives that were linked to Batman, specifically 'allies' of his. This was only to show that Luc's sudden appearance was nothing new. This was in regards to your comments about character integration, not about keeping a character the same color, as I explained the Batmen were those examples (white to white), since these are separate concepts, I am using distinct examples of each element of your,sorry, my complaint. While Barbra replacing Bette does show an example of White replacing white, Cassandra taking up the mantle does not hurt my argument because I was never using Batgirl for my example of keeping a mantle a certain color.

- Maybe i would care if this wasn't a part of the drivel you fabricated into my argument. and it actually had something to do with Diversity simply for the sake of diversity.

So lets look and see

1) Replacing a character with of one race with a character of the same race.

So if you don't have issue with a Black character replacing a Black Character, what did you mean when you said "BECAUSE HE HAS TO BE BLACK"? If this was not in response to Luc replacing David as per topic, yet linked to diversity for the sake of Diversity, explain how this "fabricated" interpretation clearly does not fit your intended objection.

2) Introducing a character abruptly (which can include replacing characters)

As you said, "[you] use one of the examples that [I] brought up to defeat the points that [I]" fab[r]icated. Which means is was "your" point! LMAO!!!!

Still waiting sweetheart

- "Sweetheart" Again, don't flatter yourself.

- Yes, because Diversity simply for the sake is diversity is limited to a black character replacing a black character. Oh wait, it isn't.

- Again, it wasn't a point contained in my argument, but it was something i used to point out the flaws in the drivel you fabricated.

-Try again.

More of you not supporting your arguments....surprise surprise...lol!

Great response, you're lack

of examples and proof and logic and deductive reasoning is so overwhelmingly LOL-able

- Being that i used your examples that you brought up to defeat points you fabricated to show you that they didn't defeat said points i didn't need any examples.

Great response, you're lack of examples and proof and logic and deductive reasoning is so overwhelmingly LOL-able


Then enlighten me sweetheart

- I'm not going to to educate you simply because you're an imbecile without common knowledge. That sounds like your parent's problem.

When I say "we" I really mean "you". But feel free to correct me by clearly explaining what "you" mean by "diversity only/simply for the sake of diversity".

- If you don't know something that is common knowledge you probably aren't even worthy of me entertaining your drivel in this idiotic conversation.

I'll tell you what is "hilarious": the only valid point you've made this discussion, required "me" to bold and underline for you, and still added nothing to your arguments. (hint: If you don't get the pun, try again in a few years.) LMAO!!!

Perhaps yo should elaborate on "your" definition of "diversity only/simply for the sake of diversity".

- Oh you determine what points are "valid" for all comic book readers and human beings alive? Oh you don't? Surprise, surprise.

- I've actually had one primary argument, but you're apparently to illiterate and incompetent to know what it was even after i've repeated it dozens of time. I think "LMAO!!" would be appropriate here if i were to use something from your apparently childish vocabulary.

- Perhaps you should get a bit of common sense.

More of you not supporting your arguments....surprise surprise...lol!

So after several responses of this temper tantrum we get to 1 point worth addressing, underlined for your convenience. You said "The level of integration was brought up as a response to [my] drivel. Don't even attempt to associate it with my argument." So let me get this straight, after several claims, above (and below), of me injecting this into your argument, you admit to bringing it up in response to "my drivel" and it has nothing to do with your argument. THANK YOU!!!! So the one point you brought up in the whole conversation does nothing to support your argument. Yet despite your bringing it up, I injected it into your argument? LMAO!!!!

- One point worth addressing? That sounds like your opinion sir. However, you're evidently idiotic enough to regard your opinion as if it were actually a fact.

- Diversity for the sake of diversity is self explanatory. You evidently just lack the common sense to comprehend it.

- With that being said, i've brought up many points be they related to this or not however, you were just too illiterate to read them.

Considering you yourself already admitted the one point you brought up doesn't add you your argument, which you lack the ability to articulate upon, addressing this is moot.

- "The one point i brought up?" I've brought up multiple points child , be they a part of my argument or not, and you seem to think that you are the authority on which part of my posts were points and which aren't.

- You are such an utterly ignorant child.

The person who does not know how to expand their thoughts into a paragraph with supporting points and reasoning, shouldn't be talking about language. But you are right about "Simon being Arabic had nothing to do with him being Arabic", I meant "Simon being Arabic had nothing to do with DC wanting an Arabic character". I know you get easily confused and distracted, I'll be more careful in the future ... sugar.

I will point out that once again you have added a post with 0 value to support your argument... LOL!!!

- "who does not know how to expand their thoughts into a paragraph" Oh, you would know that i don't know how to form a paragraph because i choose to use hypens in my posts?

- You've all but confirmed that you are an idiot. Because you haven't seen me form a paragraph i must not be able to form a paragraph. Using that fallacy of ignorance stance that you claimed not to use before huh? Typical idiot contradiciting yourself. Feel free to contradict yourself more.

- You aren't the authority on what my points are, what they support, and what is reasoning. Those are only your opinions sir.

- Oh, you are the divine determinant of what value my post has? Oh you aren't? Understood idiot.

- Anyone with a brain can see that English is your second, or third,etc language you buffoon. You apparently have the grammatical competency of a fish, and a comparable spelling ability to boot.

- I don't know what country you're from , but they should have done a better job teaching you english as well as common sense.

OMG, what is this, are you actually attempting to defend your stance? So tell me, have you read JLA? Because if you did, you would know that Batman and Cyborg had a list of potential candidates that was never revealed to the readers until they suddenly called on them. So Batman having Luc as an unknown candidate is actually along the same lines as the way some of the JL reserves were called in. So based on how some of the new JL members were introduced, this is in character for Batman. Just as Simon's introduction is in line with the Green Lanterns. And what relevance does whether or not Sinestro/Hal stay a green lantern have on whether or not Baz was forced? If David stayed on the team in some manner would you find "Luke" less forced?

- "Defend" from your opinion? Not a chance.

- However, i am entertaining you by providing a few factors that made Simon's introduction not to seem forced to me.

- Having superheros as candidate, most of which(if not all) previously existed and were previously superheroes before being considered for acceptance into the league correlates to bringing a random stranger in to be Batwing. You may think this makes sense, but i disagree.

- That's your opinion that it's in character for Batman.

- Simon's introduction would have been line regardless of what you thought as lantern's were chosen this way for years.

- I'm not sure if you read Green Lantern, but we knew from future solicits that they would be back. Moreover, for Hal to become a Black lantern we(well i,as i'm not sure what you can actually comprehend) all knew something like this would happen. The way it was done made it seem natural instead of DC obviously having diversity simply for the sake of diversity. However, you'll most likely dispute my opinion any way you can and attempt to say that your opinion is "correct" or "right" or some idiotic thing along those lines. Surprise, surprise.

- Oh, you put 'Luke' in quotation marks because you realized that you were too idiotic to actually spell his name correctly when it's available on nearly every page. You're using "Luc" in your points and you can't even spell his name correctly? Oh wait, the english language isn't your strong suit, so that's probably normal for you.

- I'm guessing that his name is spelled "Luc" in your country?

So basically after more tantrums in place of logical argument presentation, we get to one post worth addressing where you completely dodged the question on how Senerstro and Hal returning to the corps effects how forced Baz was?

Once again, you miss the point. Batman is always recruiting, the way he is bringing in the character "in story" is similar to the way he brought in the other JL members. The way DC is rectifying this is similar to how they have historically introduced other new characters that they wanted to link to existing characters.

And according to you, it is okay for a new lantern to appear suddenly in the story but the new Batwing because Baz was planned by DC in advance and Luke was not or because he is not being forced to integrate into existing characters lives as fast? Assuming this is one of your reasons, how does that tie back to your issue with "Luke" being Black for the sake of diversity while claiming that Baz is clearly not Ariabic for the sake of Diversity?

And yes, I have several friends and relatives who spell their names or middle names "Luc". Is their customs a problem for you too? And again, the guy who lacks any concept of articulation is in no place to talk about displays of language.

LMAO! Like I said comprehension ... I was referring to someone making a race issue based on the changes of the team. I keep forgetting you can't remember more than one response back. Here is the sentence with the said correction.

"Even the recent Stormwatch issue had a reboot for instance (which used a timeline change to suddenly reboot the characters, change roosters and story after the last storyline ended ... and without any build up at that). While the exact nuances are different it is similar that they gave a reboot of sorts to keep the series alive and did so in an abrupt manner. But no-one is trying to look through the changes in an attempt to call out diversity mandates, because these things happen."

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More of you not supporting your arguments....surprise surprise...lol!

- Like i said, common sense. That's what i was referring to , but we all know that you have difficulties using the english language. As i said before, you don't know who is and isn't making a race issue based on the changes of the team. Typical ignorance.

- Your opinion of me not supporting my arguments? It's as if you think that you can determine which of my posts supports something and which it does not for me and the rest of the universe. Additionally, when you fail to read my posts properly i don't know why you think i would care about your opinion at all(although i couldn't care less at it is).

Great response, you're lack of examples and proof and logic and deductive reasoning is so overwhelmingly LOL-able

- What i've said that needed examples have them, however you seem to think that you determine what parts of my post do and don't support something, what parts of my posts do and do not prove something, and what the quality of my "logic" is for a fact for me and the rest of reality. Typical idocy.

More of you not supporting your arguments....surprise surprise...lol!

- Again, you seem to think that you determine what parts of my post do and do not support my arguments for a fact. However, i'm pretty sure that you're an idiot or a professional troll. Additionally, i'm leaning towards the prior as you don't even deserve that minimal benefit of the doubt as far as i'm concerned. Surprise, suprrise.

- The majority of your posts seem to revolve around drivel and "Lol-able" immaturity. However, that's probably the norm for an imbecile such as yourself. Surprise, surprise.

Yup an entire post of you still not providing any sort of real argument.... surprise surprise ..sweetheart!

As for your previous posts, you did a great job supporting your non-points, that I seem too illiterate to read, when you said:

- I don't need an example to back up my point sir. I'm not obligated to brainstorm for DC simply because they lack the brain capacity to do it themselves.

Yup, GREAT PROOF.

So basically after more tantrums in place of logical argument presentation, we get to one post worth addressing where you completely dodged the question on how Senerstro and Hal returning to the corps effects how forced Baz was?

Once again, you miss the point. Batman is always recruiting, the way he is bringing in the character "in story" is similar to the way he brought in the other JL members. The way DC is rectifying this is similar to how they have historically introduced other new characters that they wanted to link to existing characters.

And according to you, it is okay for a new lantern to appear suddenly in the story but the new Batwing because Baz was planned by DC in advance and Luke was not or because he is not being forced to integrate into existing characters lives as fast? Assuming this is one of your reasons, how does that tie back to your issue with "Luke" being Black for the sake of diversity while claiming that Baz is clearly not Ariabic for the sake of Diversity?

And yes, I have several friends and relatives who spell their names or middle names "Luc". Is their customs a problem for you too? And again, the guy who lacks any concept of articulation is in no place to talk about displays of language.

- "Sinestro" sir. Apparently you like to put your grade school spelling competency on a large display.

- Actually, i did answer the question however, you apparently didn't read it or it wasn't the answer you wanted. Surprise, surprise.

- According to me, a new lantern appearing when one dies is a tautology as the ring is programmed to choose another user.

- You can like it or dislike it, it was going to happen regardless.

- You clearly are illiterate. You asked me why i thought Baz wasn't forced and i actually entertained you. I suggest you go back and read what i said as this question has already been answered. You are able to read, aren't you? I assume you can read up to some minimal capacity because you've been quoting me, albeit with utter drivel.

- One who doesn't comprehend the basics of the English language which five year olds know, is in no place to speak about language or articulation.

LOL, another tantrum ....

So basically another dodge? You brought up Simon in the context of Him not being introduced for the sake of diversity, and while after several attempts you finally being able to cobble out an explanation of why you feel he was not rushed vs Luke, you have not justified in anyways how it shows that Baz was not introduced for the sake of diversity while Luke was.

Yup an entire post of you still not providing any sort of real argument.... surprise surprise ..sweetheart!

As for your previous posts, you did a great job supporting your non-points, that I seem too illiterate to read, when you said:

- "any sort of real argument" is just your opinion You'll have to do better than that if you actually expect me to care.

- Whatever i've said that i felt actually needed to be supported was as far as i'm concerned. If it didn't fit your criteria for that, or you didn't read it feel free to cry me a river.

Yup, GREAT PROOF.

- If you're done with quoting me with nonsense, i implore you not to quote me with your idiotic drivel any further However, you'll probably continue to quote me with more ignorant nonsense. Surprise, surprise.

So you admit that the post I quoted (your quote) is nonsense??? THANKS! LMAO!!!

LOL, another tantrum ....

So basically another dodge? You brought up Simon in the context of Him not being introduced for the sake of diversity, and while after several attempts you finally being able to cobble out an explanation of why you feel he was not rushed vs Luke, you have not justified in anyways how it shows that Baz was not introduced for the sake of diversity while Luke was.

- "So basically" you're illiterate as i've given examples as to why i thought Simon wasn't forced, and why i felt Luke was and you've simply failed to read them.

- You're clearly an idiot or a very good troll.

So you admit that the post I quoted (your quote) is nonsense??? THANKS! LMAO!!!

- Anyone with common sense would know that i was referring to your drivel. However, i know that English isn't your friend or even a close associate, so it's not surprising that you can't comprehend or use the language correctly.

- When you press the quote button on my post, you quote me and write your response In this thread, you have been quoting me with drivel, the drivel belonging to you of course, on a consistent basis if not throughout all of your posts. This is an explanation that a five year old could easily understand however, i doubt you can comprehend it. Surprise, suprise.

- Wait, you don't understand english so you probably couldn't comprehend that?

- What language do you speak? Should i attempt to translate this into your native tongue so that you can understand, or are you simply utterly illiterate regardless of the language?

- Once again, i implore you not to quote me with your idiotic drivel.

- Oh wait, i used the word "your" in the last post as well and you still thought i was referring to my own post. However, this is understandable as you clearly don't know what the word "your" is and you evidently use "you" instead. And you claim to be able to articulate. How utterly, utterly foolish.

- I would sincerely appreciate it if you wouldn't waste my time with your idiocy.

Don't blame me because you lack the cognitive skills to properly articulate yourself and lack the maturity to conduct yourself in a appropriate manner on these threads. You could have just mentioned not to use the quote function when responding, if that is what you truly meant. Considering you said it after I quoted your response, combined with your uncanny ability to forget your own posts, I question that. But clarity is not a concept you grasp.

You will notice that your name calling didn't phase me one bit (I'm actually guessing you didn't), it just shows how bent out of shape you got. I'm sure at your age, name calling makes the arguments sound better at recess, you'll learn some day, I guess/hope.

But since you have forsaken every opportunity in this response to conduct yourself in an appropriate manner and provide any sort of argument, it is obvious logic and reasoning are not part of your "opinion".

And "English" is capitalized ... sweetheart!

- Coming from an idiot who lacks the grade school grammar and spelling abilities that any idiot should have, you probably cannot fathom how little that means to me.

- You clearly don't understand the English language so i'm not surprised to see that you cannot comprehend simple posts.

- Because you haven't been quoting my responses this whole time. Oh wait. Surprise, surprise.

- I couldn't care less what phases an idiot like yourself, as your ignorance evidently knows no bounds.

- I'm sure that you probably wouldn't even understand an argument that was spoken in your native tongue, so i'm not too confident that you will ever be able to grasp the English language.

- "appropriate manner" "any sort of argument" sound like more opinions of an idiot to me. Surprise, surprise.

- Coming from an illiterate idiot who apparently thinks his opinions are fact or hold some authority on the internet, any mention of "logic" and "reason" from you is utterly, utterly ironic.

- As if your corrections could actually hold any weight after your butchering of the English language in your various posts sweetheart.

- Should i recommend you to a dictionary, or perhaps Rosetta stone would server you better?

- Oh, and you're still quoting me with your drivel. Surprise, surprise.

Don't cry so hard, you will short circuit your keyboard :)

- Have a nice day you ignorant child and/or admittedly effective troll.

#4 Posted by thejman250 (154 posts) - - Show Bio

@drgnx said:

@thejman250 said:

@drgnx said:

So basically after more tantrums in place of logical argument presentation, we get to one post worth addressing where you completely dodged the question on how Senerstro and Hal returning to the corps effects how forced Baz was?

Once again, you miss the point. Batman is always recruiting, the way he is bringing in the character "in story" is similar to the way he brought in the other JL members. The way DC is rectifying this is similar to how they have historically introduced other new characters that they wanted to link to existing characters.

And according to you, it is okay for a new lantern to appear suddenly in the story but the new Batwing because Baz was planned by DC in advance and Luke was not or because he is not being forced to integrate into existing characters lives as fast? Assuming this is one of your reasons, how does that tie back to your issue with "Luke" being Black for the sake of diversity while claiming that Baz is clearly not Ariabic for the sake of Diversity?

And yes, I have several friends and relatives who spell their names or middle names "Luc". Is their customs a problem for you too? And again, the guy who lacks any concept of articulation is in no place to talk about displays of language.

- "Sinestro" sir. Apparently you like to put your grade school spelling competency on a large display.

- Actually, i did answer the question however, you apparently didn't read it or it wasn't the answer you wanted. Surprise, surprise.

- According to me, a new lantern appearing when one dies is a tautology as the ring is programmed to choose another user.

- You can like it or dislike it, it was going to happen regardless.

- You clearly are illiterate. You asked me why i thought Baz wasn't forced and i actually entertained you. I suggest you go back and read what i said as this question has already been answered. You are able to read, aren't you? I assume you can read up to some minimal capacity because you've been quoting me, albeit with utter drivel.

- One who doesn't comprehend the basics of the English language which five year olds know, is in no place to speak about language or articulation.

Yup an entire post of you still not providing any sort of real argument.... surprise surprise ..sweetheart!

As for your previous posts, you did a great job supporting your non-points, that I seem too illiterate to read, when you said:

- "any sort of real argument" is just your opinion You'll have to do better than that if you actually expect me to care.

- Whatever i've said that i felt actually needed to be supported was as far as i'm concerned. If it didn't fit your criteria for that, or you didn't read it feel free to cry me a river.

Yup, GREAT PROOF.

- If you're done with quoting me with nonsense, i implore you not to quote me with your idiotic drivel any further However, you'll probably continue to quote me with more ignorant nonsense. Surprise, surprise.

@drgnx said:

@thejman250 said:

@drgnx said:

@thejman250 said:

LMAO, then why don't you post your argument instead of telling me I'm illiterate? You should at least be smart enough to know how to copy and paste. Since my interpretation/opinion of what diversity simply for the sake of diversity means is not right, and according to you it is so simple, you should not have any issue elaborating.

- You mean that DC is having Diversity simply for the sake of diversity? This was posted ages ago, you're just illiterate.

- You're "interpretation" of it is that it's ignorance(according to your drivel) and that's simply your opinion that i don't care for.

Since you can't attack my points you attack me directly. How cute. Don't have a cow man, it is just the internet.

- What points? You mean your drivel that you fabricated into my agument , or the points you brought up that couldn't adequately defeat the points that you fabriccated? Ok kid.

No you brought up points about these characters being white since they were created which added nothing to the discussion. But please explain how them being white since their creation makes them replacing other white character okay, while Luc replacing David isn't, or how it somehow ties to your diversity for the sake of Diversity argument. Dazzle me with your brilliance.

- I brought up points in response to your fabricating drivel into my argument. Ok.

- You know what, it wouldn't tie to my "diversity simply for the sake of diversity" because that's my argument and this drivel was something that you brought into the conversation. Common sense.

Actually you did when you defended Dick, Azriel, Wally replacing white characters using their prior integration to the universe and when you said "Then i think you need better examples for your point than Batman being replaced by Batman jr. who has been there for over 50 years or so. Not some random black guy being introduced in africa, and then being replaced by a guy who wasn't even in continuity at all as far as i know."

- i mentioned them after you initially brought them into the conversation? Surprise, surprise imbecile.

So basically the only thing worth addressing in the response is "To argue the points that you fabricated into my argument?" Are you admitting then that you have offered no points in this debate? Since all the points I seem arguing against were fabricated by me? LMAO. O I must be illerate, and missing all those points you didn't feel you need to explain to the likes of me? RIGHT? OMG! Thanks for that.

- "The only thing worth addressing" is an opinion, and yours is quite trivial to me.

- My argument was that DC is having diversity simply for the sake of diversity which you clearly don't comprehend.

- Yes, the majority of this idiotic "conversation" consisted of your drivel and my responses to it. Surprise, surprise.

Hmm complete lack of any argument or explanation....Just throw insults...LMAO

- Diversity simply for the sake of diversity, doesn't need an explanation, it's common knowledge, and common sense will tell you what it is.

- If you have the brain capacity of a fish, that's not my problem.

in this debate

- Don't even flatter yourself by attempting to call this idiotic conversation a debate you imbecile.

- As if an incompetent illiterate imbecile like yourself would be worthy of having a debate with me.

But I though you were not using abruptness as points in your argument? I thought I was fabricating this. I also thought I made it clear that the level of integration a character has, has nothing to do with race, so you're attempt to keep using it to justify your hate for Luc replacing David or Or having Blacks just for diversity is pathetic. But keep using this pointer that I fabricated.

- Actually, abruptness has nothing to do with "Diversity simply for the sake of diversity"' as that can be done in a number of ways.

- My "hate for 'Luc' (you realize his name is Luke right?) replacing David"? Typical ignorance and assumptions.

- The level of integration was brought up as a response to your drivel. Don't even attempt to associate it with my argument.

- Oh , you think it's pathetic? If only i actually valued your opinion more than that of an insect's.

So after several responses of this temper tantrum we get to 1 point worth addressing, underlined for your convenience. You said "The level of integration was brought up as a response to [my] drivel. Don't even attempt to associate it with my argument." So let me get this straight, after several claims, above (and below), of me injecting this into your argument, you admit to bringing it up in response to "my drivel" and it has nothing to do with your argument. THANK YOU!!!! So the one point you brought up in the whole conversation does nothing to support your argument. Yet despite your bringing it up, I injected it into your argument? LMAO!!!!

So lets

1) Replacing a character with of one race with a character of the same race.

So if you don't have issue with a Black character replacing a Black Character, what did you mean when you said "BECAUSE HE HAS TO BE BLACK"? If this was not in response to Luc replacing David as per topic, yet linked to diversity for the sake of Diversity, explain how this "fabricated" interpretation clearly does not fit your intended objection.

2) Introducing a character abruptly (which can include replacing characters)

As you said, "[you] use one of the examples that [I] brought up to defeat the points that [I]" fab[r]icated. Which means is was "your" point! LMAO!!!!

- What i meant was that DC is having diversity simply for the sake of diversity.

- Diversity, simply for the sake of diversity is not limited to or necessarily associated with replacing a character with that of the same race, or introducing one repeatedly. Try again.

- It wasn't a point contained in my argument you imbecile However, i did use that "point" to point out how incoherent your drivel actually was.

I know this might be difficult for you to comprehend, but my comment about Luc needing to be Black for 50 years (not be 50s old but having existed in various forms for 50 years) was something called sarcasm. You used "my" fabricated argument regarding character integration to justify why Dick replacing Batman was okay vs Luc replacing David, in terms of racial scrutiny. So my question is that if Luc had been around as long as Dick was, would you stop crying that he replaced David. It is really a yes or no answer, you should be able to articulate at least that much (Y or N) with no issues, since elaboration on "diversity simply for the sake of diversity" is a bit much for you.

- To justify? No sir. I pointed out that the example you brought up was a poor example that couldn't properly defeat the points that you fabricated. I need to elaborate on a concept that an eleven year old could easily understand? Are you mentally retarded?

- If Luke had been around for 50 years in canon continuity and showed natural progression towards the role of Batwing (David would have had to be older than Luke in this scenario) , then it wouldn't be painfully obvious that DC was having diversity simply for the sake of diversity and then i might not have a problem.

Great post! Great arguments!

- Sure.

Considering you yourself already admitted the one point you brought up doesn't add you your argument, which you lack the ability to articulate upon, addressing this is moot.

Actually, and Ironically, the phrase is "Does your incompetence know no bounds". Its fitting this irony be turned back on someone trying to be witty in the face of their inability to understand sarcasm in regards to my terrorist reference being coincidental. But I completely love how you demonstrated how Simon being Arabic had nothing to do with him being Aribic, unlike Luc, who we know nothing about, is all about him being black. Great explanation!

- Actually, that wasn't the phrase i was using, and that is a question. English clearly isn't your first language.

- "Simon being Arabic had nothing to do with him being Arabic" Cute illogical drivel, it really puts your ignorance and incompetence on display.

The person who does not know how to expand their thoughts into a paragraph with supporting points and reasoning, shouldn't be talking about language. But you are right about "Simon being Arabic had nothing to do with him being Arabic", I meant "Simon being Arabic had nothing to do with DC wanting an Arabic character". I know you get easily confused and distracted, I'll be more careful in the future ... sugar.

I will point out that once again you have added a post with 0 value to support your argument... LOL!!!

Not at all, I know it is hard to keep up but I am pointing out that like Luc, Baz was introduced got recruited in the same issue, so I don't get how one could Forced and not the other. But perhaps, for clarity, you should share your definition of forced and elaboration on how Luc is forced and Baz is not. Or will you keep that to yourself like all the rest of the logic behind your arguments?

- You don't get how one could be forced and not the other? What does that have to do with me or anyone else who has a problem with the topic at hand? Tell me how we are bounded by your opinion?

- Oh, you mean the way that sinestro and Hal died so a replacement was imminent? You mean the way the ring was going to choose someone immediately regardless? You mean the way we knew that Hal and Sinestro would still be green lanterns in future issue? Yes, Luke must be less forced than Bazz. However, you'll probably stick with your opinion regardless of what i say so i'm probably wasting my time here as you seem to think your opinion is fact from time to time.

OMG, what is this, are you actually attempting to defend your stance? So tell me, have you read JLA? Because if you did, you would know that Batman and Cyborg had a list of potential candidates that was never revealed to the readers until they suddenly called on them. So Batman having Luc as an unknown candidate is actually along the same lines as the way some of the JL reserves were called in. So based on how some of the new JL members were introduced, this is in character for Batman. Just as Simon's introduction is in line with the Green Lanterns. And what relevance does whether or not Sinestro/Hal stay a green lantern have on whether or not Baz was forced? If David stayed on the team in some manner would you find "Luke" less forced?

Feel free to counter by explaining why Baz was not forced but Luc is then sweetheart. And there should be no surprises since you lack the ability to even elaborate on your own points, I'm not even sure you know what your getting at.

- "Sweetheart"? Don't flatter yourself child.

- If only the likes of you could provide something that i needed to counter.

Don't worry, there is nothing flattering about you sweetheart.

Great rebuttal that adds nothing to the argument, oh wait, that is your specialty. Paragraph corrected. Whether or no someone has an issue with the diversity of the team, wasn't the main focus, it was the fact DC makes drastic changes to other titles. But I would be baffled even more than here if someone turned that into a race issue.

- You would be baffled if people turned race changes into a race issue? Surprise, surprise.

LMAO! Like I said comprehension ... I was referring to someone making a race issue based on the changes of the team. I keep forgetting you can't remember more than one response back. Here is the sentence with the said correction.

"Even the recent Stormwatch issue had a reboot for instance (which used a timeline change to suddenly reboot the characters, change roosters and story after the last storyline ended ... and without any build up at that). While the exact nuances are different it is similar that they gave a reboot of sorts to keep the series alive and did so in an abrupt manner. But no-one is trying to look through the changes in an attempt to call out diversity mandates, because these things happen."

I'm not sure if you even know what real reasoning is sweetheart.... just saying! But you're main argument here is I'm not worthy of your effort, yet you have spent several posts going through my posts one by one? LMAO!!!! So then are you admitting to not applying reasoning to your posts or something along those lines? LMAO!!!! THANKS FOR THIS!!!!

- I'm not sure if you even know that the word "real" is subjective and that your opinion of what "real reasoning" is is not a fact.

- My main argument was that DC is having diversity simply for the sake of diversity. However, you are incredibly ignorant and illiterate.

- You aren't worthy of having a debate with me and that's clear as day as you lack the brain capacity and common sense of an eight year old.

- You should be grateful that i'm entertaining your drivel in this "conversation".

But according to you, you didn't make any points because you don't need to explain yourself to me, and and since you didn't make any points and I fabricated them all, what would I possibly need to present to show you have nothing to support your argument when you yourself have all but claimed as much?

- I made my initial point that i thought DC was having diversity simply for the sake of diversity however, you're an illiterate imbecile.

- I'm not going to explain something that is common knowledge to you simply because you have the brain capacity of a fish, your parents can do that job.

- As if i needed something to support diversity for the sake of diversity. You simply lack common sense.

So let me explain this to you again. I used the first 2 Batgirls as example of characters where introduced in the same manner as Luc. They appeared out of nowhere and were integrated into the history of relatives that were linked to Batman, specifically 'allies' of his. This was only to show that Luc's sudden appearance was nothing new. This was in regards to your comments about character integration, not about keeping a character the same color, as I explained the Batmen were those examples (white to white), since these are separate concepts, I am using distinct examples of each element of your,sorry, my complaint. While Barbra replacing Bette does show an example of White replacing white, Cassandra taking up the mantle does not hurt my argument because I was never using Batgirl for my example of keeping a mantle a certain color.

- Maybe i would care if this wasn't a part of the drivel you fabricated into my argument. and it actually had something to do with Diversity simply for the sake of diversity.

So lets look and see

1) Replacing a character with of one race with a character of the same race.

So if you don't have issue with a Black character replacing a Black Character, what did you mean when you said "BECAUSE HE HAS TO BE BLACK"? If this was not in response to Luc replacing David as per topic, yet linked to diversity for the sake of Diversity, explain how this "fabricated" interpretation clearly does not fit your intended objection.

2) Introducing a character abruptly (which can include replacing characters)

As you said, "[you] use one of the examples that [I] brought up to defeat the points that [I]" fab[r]icated. Which means is was "your" point! LMAO!!!!

Still waiting sweetheart

- "Sweetheart" Again, don't flatter yourself.

- Yes, because Diversity simply for the sake is diversity is limited to a black character replacing a black character. Oh wait, it isn't.

- Again, it wasn't a point contained in my argument, but it was something i used to point out the flaws in the drivel you fabricated.

-Try again.

More of you not supporting your arguments....surprise surprise...lol!

Great response, you're lack

of examples and proof and logic and deductive reasoning is so overwhelmingly LOL-able

- Being that i used your examples that you brought up to defeat points you fabricated to show you that they didn't defeat said points i didn't need any examples.

Great response, you're lack of examples and proof and logic and deductive reasoning is so overwhelmingly LOL-able


Then enlighten me sweetheart

- I'm not going to to educate you simply because you're an imbecile without common knowledge. That sounds like your parent's problem.

When I say "we" I really mean "you". But feel free to correct me by clearly explaining what "you" mean by "diversity only/simply for the sake of diversity".

- If you don't know something that is common knowledge you probably aren't even worthy of me entertaining your drivel in this idiotic conversation.

I'll tell you what is "hilarious": the only valid point you've made this discussion, required "me" to bold and underline for you, and still added nothing to your arguments. (hint: If you don't get the pun, try again in a few years.) LMAO!!!

Perhaps yo should elaborate on "your" definition of "diversity only/simply for the sake of diversity".

- Oh you determine what points are "valid" for all comic book readers and human beings alive? Oh you don't? Surprise, surprise.

- I've actually had one primary argument, but you're apparently to illiterate and incompetent to know what it was even after i've repeated it dozens of time. I think "LMAO!!" would be appropriate here if i were to use something from your apparently childish vocabulary.

- Perhaps you should get a bit of common sense.

More of you not supporting your arguments....surprise surprise...lol!

So after several responses of this temper tantrum we get to 1 point worth addressing, underlined for your convenience. You said "The level of integration was brought up as a response to [my] drivel. Don't even attempt to associate it with my argument." So let me get this straight, after several claims, above (and below), of me injecting this into your argument, you admit to bringing it up in response to "my drivel" and it has nothing to do with your argument. THANK YOU!!!! So the one point you brought up in the whole conversation does nothing to support your argument. Yet despite your bringing it up, I injected it into your argument? LMAO!!!!

- One point worth addressing? That sounds like your opinion sir. However, you're evidently idiotic enough to regard your opinion as if it were actually a fact.

- Diversity for the sake of diversity is self explanatory. You evidently just lack the common sense to comprehend it.

- With that being said, i've brought up many points be they related to this or not however, you were just too illiterate to read them.

Considering you yourself already admitted the one point you brought up doesn't add you your argument, which you lack the ability to articulate upon, addressing this is moot.

- "The one point i brought up?" I've brought up multiple points child , be they a part of my argument or not, and you seem to think that you are the authority on which part of my posts were points and which aren't.

- You are such an utterly ignorant child.

The person who does not know how to expand their thoughts into a paragraph with supporting points and reasoning, shouldn't be talking about language. But you are right about "Simon being Arabic had nothing to do with him being Arabic", I meant "Simon being Arabic had nothing to do with DC wanting an Arabic character". I know you get easily confused and distracted, I'll be more careful in the future ... sugar.

I will point out that once again you have added a post with 0 value to support your argument... LOL!!!

- "who does not know how to expand their thoughts into a paragraph" Oh, you would know that i don't know how to form a paragraph because i choose to use hypens in my posts?

- You've all but confirmed that you are an idiot. Because you haven't seen me form a paragraph i must not be able to form a paragraph. Using that fallacy of ignorance stance that you claimed not to use before huh? Typical idiot contradiciting yourself. Feel free to contradict yourself more.

- You aren't the authority on what my points are, what they support, and what is reasoning. Those are only your opinions sir.

- Oh, you are the divine determinant of what value my post has? Oh you aren't? Understood idiot.

- Anyone with a brain can see that English is your second, or third,etc language you buffoon. You apparently have the grammatical competency of a fish, and a comparable spelling ability to boot.

- I don't know what country you're from , but they should have done a better job teaching you english as well as common sense.

OMG, what is this, are you actually attempting to defend your stance? So tell me, have you read JLA? Because if you did, you would know that Batman and Cyborg had a list of potential candidates that was never revealed to the readers until they suddenly called on them. So Batman having Luc as an unknown candidate is actually along the same lines as the way some of the JL reserves were called in. So based on how some of the new JL members were introduced, this is in character for Batman. Just as Simon's introduction is in line with the Green Lanterns. And what relevance does whether or not Sinestro/Hal stay a green lantern have on whether or not Baz was forced? If David stayed on the team in some manner would you find "Luke" less forced?

- "Defend" from your opinion? Not a chance.

- However, i am entertaining you by providing a few factors that made Simon's introduction not to seem forced to me.

- Having superheros as candidate, most of which(if not all) previously existed and were previously superheroes before being considered for acceptance into the league correlates to bringing a random stranger in to be Batwing. You may think this makes sense, but i disagree.

- That's your opinion that it's in character for Batman.

- Simon's introduction would have been line regardless of what you thought as lantern's were chosen this way for years.

- I'm not sure if you read Green Lantern, but we knew from future solicits that they would be back. Moreover, for Hal to become a Black lantern we(well i,as i'm not sure what you can actually comprehend) all knew something like this would happen. The way it was done made it seem natural instead of DC obviously having diversity simply for the sake of diversity. However, you'll most likely dispute my opinion any way you can and attempt to say that your opinion is "correct" or "right" or some idiotic thing along those lines. Surprise, surprise.

- Oh, you put 'Luke' in quotation marks because you realized that you were too idiotic to actually spell his name correctly when it's available on nearly every page. You're using "Luc" in your points and you can't even spell his name correctly? Oh wait, the english language isn't your strong suit, so that's probably normal for you.

- I'm guessing that his name is spelled "Luc" in your country?

So basically after more tantrums in place of logical argument presentation, we get to one post worth addressing where you completely dodged the question on how Senerstro and Hal returning to the corps effects how forced Baz was?

Once again, you miss the point. Batman is always recruiting, the way he is bringing in the character "in story" is similar to the way he brought in the other JL members. The way DC is rectifying this is similar to how they have historically introduced other new characters that they wanted to link to existing characters.

And according to you, it is okay for a new lantern to appear suddenly in the story but the new Batwing because Baz was planned by DC in advance and Luke was not or because he is not being forced to integrate into existing characters lives as fast? Assuming this is one of your reasons, how does that tie back to your issue with "Luke" being Black for the sake of diversity while claiming that Baz is clearly not Ariabic for the sake of Diversity?

And yes, I have several friends and relatives who spell their names or middle names "Luc". Is their customs a problem for you too? And again, the guy who lacks any concept of articulation is in no place to talk about displays of language.

LMAO! Like I said comprehension ... I was referring to someone making a race issue based on the changes of the team. I keep forgetting you can't remember more than one response back. Here is the sentence with the said correction.

"Even the recent Stormwatch issue had a reboot for instance (which used a timeline change to suddenly reboot the characters, change roosters and story after the last storyline ended ... and without any build up at that). While the exact nuances are different it is similar that they gave a reboot of sorts to keep the series alive and did so in an abrupt manner. But no-one is trying to look through the changes in an attempt to call out diversity mandates, because these things happen."

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More of you not supporting your arguments....surprise surprise...lol!

- Like i said, common sense. That's what i was referring to , but we all know that you have difficulties using the english language. As i said before, you don't know who is and isn't making a race issue based on the changes of the team. Typical ignorance.

- Your opinion of me not supporting my arguments? It's as if you think that you can determine which of my posts supports something and which it does not for me and the rest of the universe. Additionally, when you fail to read my posts properly i don't know why you think i would care about your opinion at all(although i couldn't care less at it is).

Great response, you're lack of examples and proof and logic and deductive reasoning is so overwhelmingly LOL-able

- What i've said that needed examples have them, however you seem to think that you determine what parts of my post do and don't support something, what parts of my posts do and do not prove something, and what the quality of my "logic" is for a fact for me and the rest of reality. Typical idocy.

More of you not supporting your arguments....surprise surprise...lol!

- Again, you seem to think that you determine what parts of my post do and do not support my arguments for a fact. However, i'm pretty sure that you're an idiot or a professional troll. Additionally, i'm leaning towards the prior as you don't even deserve that minimal benefit of the doubt as far as i'm concerned. Surprise, suprrise.

- The majority of your posts seem to revolve around drivel and "Lol-able" immaturity. However, that's probably the norm for an imbecile such as yourself. Surprise, surprise.

Yup an entire post of you still not providing any sort of real argument.... surprise surprise ..sweetheart!

As for your previous posts, you did a great job supporting your non-points, that I seem too illiterate to read, when you said:

- I don't need an example to back up my point sir. I'm not obligated to brainstorm for DC simply because they lack the brain capacity to do it themselves.

Yup, GREAT PROOF.

So basically after more tantrums in place of logical argument presentation, we get to one post worth addressing where you completely dodged the question on how Senerstro and Hal returning to the corps effects how forced Baz was?

Once again, you miss the point. Batman is always recruiting, the way he is bringing in the character "in story" is similar to the way he brought in the other JL members. The way DC is rectifying this is similar to how they have historically introduced other new characters that they wanted to link to existing characters.

And according to you, it is okay for a new lantern to appear suddenly in the story but the new Batwing because Baz was planned by DC in advance and Luke was not or because he is not being forced to integrate into existing characters lives as fast? Assuming this is one of your reasons, how does that tie back to your issue with "Luke" being Black for the sake of diversity while claiming that Baz is clearly not Ariabic for the sake of Diversity?

And yes, I have several friends and relatives who spell their names or middle names "Luc". Is their customs a problem for you too? And again, the guy who lacks any concept of articulation is in no place to talk about displays of language.

- "Sinestro" sir. Apparently you like to put your grade school spelling competency on a large display.

- Actually, i did answer the question however, you apparently didn't read it or it wasn't the answer you wanted. Surprise, surprise.

- According to me, a new lantern appearing when one dies is a tautology as the ring is programmed to choose another user.

- You can like it or dislike it, it was going to happen regardless.

- You clearly are illiterate. You asked me why i thought Baz wasn't forced and i actually entertained you. I suggest you go back and read what i said as this question has already been answered. You are able to read, aren't you? I assume you can read up to some minimal capacity because you've been quoting me, albeit with utter drivel.

- One who doesn't comprehend the basics of the English language which five year olds know, is in no place to speak about language or articulation.

LOL, another tantrum ....

So basically another dodge? You brought up Simon in the context of Him not being introduced for the sake of diversity, and while after several attempts you finally being able to cobble out an explanation of why you feel he was not rushed vs Luke, you have not justified in anyways how it shows that Baz was not introduced for the sake of diversity while Luke was.

Yup an entire post of you still not providing any sort of real argument.... surprise surprise ..sweetheart!

As for your previous posts, you did a great job supporting your non-points, that I seem too illiterate to read, when you said:

- "any sort of real argument" is just your opinion You'll have to do better than that if you actually expect me to care.

- Whatever i've said that i felt actually needed to be supported was as far as i'm concerned. If it didn't fit your criteria for that, or you didn't read it feel free to cry me a river.

Yup, GREAT PROOF.

- If you're done with quoting me with nonsense, i implore you not to quote me with your idiotic drivel any further However, you'll probably continue to quote me with more ignorant nonsense. Surprise, surprise.

So you admit that the post I quoted (your quote) is nonsense??? THANKS! LMAO!!!

LOL, another tantrum ....

So basically another dodge? You brought up Simon in the context of Him not being introduced for the sake of diversity, and while after several attempts you finally being able to cobble out an explanation of why you feel he was not rushed vs Luke, you have not justified in anyways how it shows that Baz was not introduced for the sake of diversity while Luke was.

- "So basically" you're illiterate as i've given examples as to why i thought Simon wasn't forced, and why i felt Luke was and you've simply failed to read them.

- You're clearly an idiot or a very good troll.

So you admit that the post I quoted (your quote) is nonsense??? THANKS! LMAO!!!

- Anyone with common sense would know that i was referring to your drivel. However, i know that English isn't your friend or even a close associate, so it's not surprising that you can't comprehend or use the language correctly.

- When you press the quote button on my post, you quote me and write your response In this thread, you have been quoting me with drivel, the drivel belonging to you of course, on a consistent basis if not throughout all of your posts. This is an explanation that a five year old could easily understand however, i doubt you can comprehend it. Surprise, suprise.

- Wait, you don't understand english so you probably couldn't comprehend that?

- What language do you speak? Should i attempt to translate this into your native tongue so that you can understand, or are you simply utterly illiterate regardless of the language?

- Once again, i implore you not to quote me with your idiotic drivel.

- Oh wait, i used the word "your" in the last post as well and you still thought i was referring to my own post. However, this is understandable as you clearly don't know what the word "your" is and you evidently use "you" instead. And you claim to be able to articulate. How utterly, utterly foolish.

- I would sincerely appreciate it if you wouldn't waste my time with your idiocy.

Don't blame me because you lack the cognitive skills to properly articulate yourself and lack the maturity to conduct yourself in a appropriate manner on these threads. You could have just mentioned not to use the quote function when responding, if that is what you truly meant. Considering you said it after I quoted your response, combined with your uncanny ability to forget your own posts, I question that. But clarity is not a concept you grasp.

You will notice that your name calling didn't phase me one bit (I'm actually guessing you didn't), it just shows how bent out of shape you got. I'm sure at your age, name calling makes the arguments sound better at recess, you'll learn some day, I guess/hope.

But since you have forsaken every opportunity in this response to conduct yourself in an appropriate manner and provide any sort of argument, it is obvious logic and reasoning are not part of your "opinion".

And "English" is capitalized ... sweetheart!

- Coming from an idiot who lacks the grade school grammar and spelling abilities that any idiot should have, you probably cannot fathom how little that means to me.

- You clearly don't understand the English language so i'm not surprised to see that you cannot comprehend simple posts.

- Because you haven't been quoting my responses this whole time. Oh wait. Surprise, surprise.

- I couldn't care less what phases an idiot like yourself, as your ignorance evidently knows no bounds.

- I'm sure that you probably wouldn't even understand an argument that was spoken in your native tongue, so i'm not too confident that you will ever be able to grasp the English language.

- "appropriate manner" "any sort of argument" sound like more opinions of an idiot to me. Surprise, surprise.

- Coming from an illiterate idiot who apparently thinks his opinions are fact or hold some authority on the internet, any mention of "logic" and "reason" from you is utterly, utterly ironic.

- As if your corrections could actually hold any weight after your butchering of the English language in your various posts sweetheart.

- Should i recommend you to a dictionary, or perhaps Rosetta stone would server you better?

- Oh, and you're still quoting me with your drivel. Surprise, surprise.

#5 Edited by thejman250 (154 posts) - - Show Bio

@muyjingo said:

The biggest problem is that there was no real death of the family, nothing really major happened to drive them apart. There was one scene in the cave where the family says Bruce should have told them, then at the end of the arc they all make up excuses to blow him off. Nothing major, and they will team up again as necessary. I bet any money in this Riddler story they will still trust Bruce's decisions.

DofF should have been about manipulating characters, making them doubt each other and so at the end, they really have nothing to do with each other. As it is at the moment, it's forgettable because nothing major happened between the family.

The scene in the cave and the ending of 17 could have been in one issue, minus all the superhero joker stuff with the same result.

- Additionally, it's another trivial story with the Joker who, as far as i'm concerned, should have been dead a long time ago.

- However, we simply get some ridiculous explanation from Bruce as to why he doesn't kill the joker.

- Gee, Bruce is scared of Gotham bringing something out that's worse than the joker? Boo hoo Bruce, do you need alfred to tuck you in at night as well, or should that role be given only to the joker who is your apparent "butt buddy" and accomplice?

- Oh , and the joker just gets away again does he? Or he "seemingly falls to his death"? Yes, because that isn't highly cliche.

- As far as i'm concerned, DOTF was one of the most trivial , irrelevant and cliche stories i have ever read in Comics. Fortunately for snyder, it's a significant ways away from taking that title for me.

- However, i will definitely not be picking up Snyder's drivel in trade.

#6 Posted by thejman250 (154 posts) - - Show Bio

@drgnx said:

So basically after more tantrums in place of logical argument presentation, we get to one post worth addressing where you completely dodged the question on how Senerstro and Hal returning to the corps effects how forced Baz was?

Once again, you miss the point. Batman is always recruiting, the way he is bringing in the character "in story" is similar to the way he brought in the other JL members. The way DC is rectifying this is similar to how they have historically introduced other new characters that they wanted to link to existing characters.

And according to you, it is okay for a new lantern to appear suddenly in the story but the new Batwing because Baz was planned by DC in advance and Luke was not or because he is not being forced to integrate into existing characters lives as fast? Assuming this is one of your reasons, how does that tie back to your issue with "Luke" being Black for the sake of diversity while claiming that Baz is clearly not Ariabic for the sake of Diversity?

And yes, I have several friends and relatives who spell their names or middle names "Luc". Is their customs a problem for you too? And again, the guy who lacks any concept of articulation is in no place to talk about displays of language.

- "Sinestro" sir. Apparently you like to put your grade school spelling competency on a large display.

- Actually, i did answer the question however, you apparently didn't read it or it wasn't the answer you wanted. Surprise, surprise.

- According to me, a new lantern appearing when one dies is a tautology as the ring is programmed to choose another user.

- You can like it or dislike it, it was going to happen regardless.

- You clearly are illiterate. You asked me why i thought Baz wasn't forced and i actually entertained you. I suggest you go back and read what i said as this question has already been answered. You are able to read, aren't you? I assume you can read up to some minimal capacity because you've been quoting me, albeit with utter drivel.

- One who doesn't comprehend the basics of the English language which five year olds know, is in no place to speak about language or articulation.

Yup an entire post of you still not providing any sort of real argument.... surprise surprise ..sweetheart!

As for your previous posts, you did a great job supporting your non-points, that I seem too illiterate to read, when you said:

- "any sort of real argument" is just your opinion You'll have to do better than that if you actually expect me to care.

- Whatever i've said that i felt actually needed to be supported was as far as i'm concerned. If it didn't fit your criteria for that, or you didn't read it feel free to cry me a river.

Yup, GREAT PROOF.

- If you're done with quoting me with nonsense, i implore you not to quote me with your idiotic drivel any further However, you'll probably continue to quote me with more ignorant nonsense. Surprise, surprise.

@drgnx said:

@thejman250 said:

@drgnx said:

@thejman250 said:

LMAO, then why don't you post your argument instead of telling me I'm illiterate? You should at least be smart enough to know how to copy and paste. Since my interpretation/opinion of what diversity simply for the sake of diversity means is not right, and according to you it is so simple, you should not have any issue elaborating.

- You mean that DC is having Diversity simply for the sake of diversity? This was posted ages ago, you're just illiterate.

- You're "interpretation" of it is that it's ignorance(according to your drivel) and that's simply your opinion that i don't care for.

Since you can't attack my points you attack me directly. How cute. Don't have a cow man, it is just the internet.

- What points? You mean your drivel that you fabricated into my agument , or the points you brought up that couldn't adequately defeat the points that you fabriccated? Ok kid.

No you brought up points about these characters being white since they were created which added nothing to the discussion. But please explain how them being white since their creation makes them replacing other white character okay, while Luc replacing David isn't, or how it somehow ties to your diversity for the sake of Diversity argument. Dazzle me with your brilliance.

- I brought up points in response to your fabricating drivel into my argument. Ok.

- You know what, it wouldn't tie to my "diversity simply for the sake of diversity" because that's my argument and this drivel was something that you brought into the conversation. Common sense.

Actually you did when you defended Dick, Azriel, Wally replacing white characters using their prior integration to the universe and when you said "Then i think you need better examples for your point than Batman being replaced by Batman jr. who has been there for over 50 years or so. Not some random black guy being introduced in africa, and then being replaced by a guy who wasn't even in continuity at all as far as i know."

- i mentioned them after you initially brought them into the conversation? Surprise, surprise imbecile.

So basically the only thing worth addressing in the response is "To argue the points that you fabricated into my argument?" Are you admitting then that you have offered no points in this debate? Since all the points I seem arguing against were fabricated by me? LMAO. O I must be illerate, and missing all those points you didn't feel you need to explain to the likes of me? RIGHT? OMG! Thanks for that.

- "The only thing worth addressing" is an opinion, and yours is quite trivial to me.

- My argument was that DC is having diversity simply for the sake of diversity which you clearly don't comprehend.

- Yes, the majority of this idiotic "conversation" consisted of your drivel and my responses to it. Surprise, surprise.

Hmm complete lack of any argument or explanation....Just throw insults...LMAO

- Diversity simply for the sake of diversity, doesn't need an explanation, it's common knowledge, and common sense will tell you what it is.

- If you have the brain capacity of a fish, that's not my problem.

in this debate

- Don't even flatter yourself by attempting to call this idiotic conversation a debate you imbecile.

- As if an incompetent illiterate imbecile like yourself would be worthy of having a debate with me.

But I though you were not using abruptness as points in your argument? I thought I was fabricating this. I also thought I made it clear that the level of integration a character has, has nothing to do with race, so you're attempt to keep using it to justify your hate for Luc replacing David or Or having Blacks just for diversity is pathetic. But keep using this pointer that I fabricated.

- Actually, abruptness has nothing to do with "Diversity simply for the sake of diversity"' as that can be done in a number of ways.

- My "hate for 'Luc' (you realize his name is Luke right?) replacing David"? Typical ignorance and assumptions.

- The level of integration was brought up as a response to your drivel. Don't even attempt to associate it with my argument.

- Oh , you think it's pathetic? If only i actually valued your opinion more than that of an insect's.

So after several responses of this temper tantrum we get to 1 point worth addressing, underlined for your convenience. You said "The level of integration was brought up as a response to [my] drivel. Don't even attempt to associate it with my argument." So let me get this straight, after several claims, above (and below), of me injecting this into your argument, you admit to bringing it up in response to "my drivel" and it has nothing to do with your argument. THANK YOU!!!! So the one point you brought up in the whole conversation does nothing to support your argument. Yet despite your bringing it up, I injected it into your argument? LMAO!!!!

So lets

1) Replacing a character with of one race with a character of the same race.

So if you don't have issue with a Black character replacing a Black Character, what did you mean when you said "BECAUSE HE HAS TO BE BLACK"? If this was not in response to Luc replacing David as per topic, yet linked to diversity for the sake of Diversity, explain how this "fabricated" interpretation clearly does not fit your intended objection.

2) Introducing a character abruptly (which can include replacing characters)

As you said, "[you] use one of the examples that [I] brought up to defeat the points that [I]" fab[r]icated. Which means is was "your" point! LMAO!!!!

- What i meant was that DC is having diversity simply for the sake of diversity.

- Diversity, simply for the sake of diversity is not limited to or necessarily associated with replacing a character with that of the same race, or introducing one repeatedly. Try again.

- It wasn't a point contained in my argument you imbecile However, i did use that "point" to point out how incoherent your drivel actually was.

I know this might be difficult for you to comprehend, but my comment about Luc needing to be Black for 50 years (not be 50s old but having existed in various forms for 50 years) was something called sarcasm. You used "my" fabricated argument regarding character integration to justify why Dick replacing Batman was okay vs Luc replacing David, in terms of racial scrutiny. So my question is that if Luc had been around as long as Dick was, would you stop crying that he replaced David. It is really a yes or no answer, you should be able to articulate at least that much (Y or N) with no issues, since elaboration on "diversity simply for the sake of diversity" is a bit much for you.

- To justify? No sir. I pointed out that the example you brought up was a poor example that couldn't properly defeat the points that you fabricated. I need to elaborate on a concept that an eleven year old could easily understand? Are you mentally retarded?

- If Luke had been around for 50 years in canon continuity and showed natural progression towards the role of Batwing (David would have had to be older than Luke in this scenario) , then it wouldn't be painfully obvious that DC was having diversity simply for the sake of diversity and then i might not have a problem.

Great post! Great arguments!

- Sure.

Considering you yourself already admitted the one point you brought up doesn't add you your argument, which you lack the ability to articulate upon, addressing this is moot.

Actually, and Ironically, the phrase is "Does your incompetence know no bounds". Its fitting this irony be turned back on someone trying to be witty in the face of their inability to understand sarcasm in regards to my terrorist reference being coincidental. But I completely love how you demonstrated how Simon being Arabic had nothing to do with him being Aribic, unlike Luc, who we know nothing about, is all about him being black. Great explanation!

- Actually, that wasn't the phrase i was using, and that is a question. English clearly isn't your first language.

- "Simon being Arabic had nothing to do with him being Arabic" Cute illogical drivel, it really puts your ignorance and incompetence on display.

The person who does not know how to expand their thoughts into a paragraph with supporting points and reasoning, shouldn't be talking about language. But you are right about "Simon being Arabic had nothing to do with him being Arabic", I meant "Simon being Arabic had nothing to do with DC wanting an Arabic character". I know you get easily confused and distracted, I'll be more careful in the future ... sugar.

I will point out that once again you have added a post with 0 value to support your argument... LOL!!!

Not at all, I know it is hard to keep up but I am pointing out that like Luc, Baz was introduced got recruited in the same issue, so I don't get how one could Forced and not the other. But perhaps, for clarity, you should share your definition of forced and elaboration on how Luc is forced and Baz is not. Or will you keep that to yourself like all the rest of the logic behind your arguments?

- You don't get how one could be forced and not the other? What does that have to do with me or anyone else who has a problem with the topic at hand? Tell me how we are bounded by your opinion?

- Oh, you mean the way that sinestro and Hal died so a replacement was imminent? You mean the way the ring was going to choose someone immediately regardless? You mean the way we knew that Hal and Sinestro would still be green lanterns in future issue? Yes, Luke must be less forced than Bazz. However, you'll probably stick with your opinion regardless of what i say so i'm probably wasting my time here as you seem to think your opinion is fact from time to time.

OMG, what is this, are you actually attempting to defend your stance? So tell me, have you read JLA? Because if you did, you would know that Batman and Cyborg had a list of potential candidates that was never revealed to the readers until they suddenly called on them. So Batman having Luc as an unknown candidate is actually along the same lines as the way some of the JL reserves were called in. So based on how some of the new JL members were introduced, this is in character for Batman. Just as Simon's introduction is in line with the Green Lanterns. And what relevance does whether or not Sinestro/Hal stay a green lantern have on whether or not Baz was forced? If David stayed on the team in some manner would you find "Luke" less forced?

Feel free to counter by explaining why Baz was not forced but Luc is then sweetheart. And there should be no surprises since you lack the ability to even elaborate on your own points, I'm not even sure you know what your getting at.

- "Sweetheart"? Don't flatter yourself child.

- If only the likes of you could provide something that i needed to counter.

Don't worry, there is nothing flattering about you sweetheart.

Great rebuttal that adds nothing to the argument, oh wait, that is your specialty. Paragraph corrected. Whether or no someone has an issue with the diversity of the team, wasn't the main focus, it was the fact DC makes drastic changes to other titles. But I would be baffled even more than here if someone turned that into a race issue.

- You would be baffled if people turned race changes into a race issue? Surprise, surprise.

LMAO! Like I said comprehension ... I was referring to someone making a race issue based on the changes of the team. I keep forgetting you can't remember more than one response back. Here is the sentence with the said correction.

"Even the recent Stormwatch issue had a reboot for instance (which used a timeline change to suddenly reboot the characters, change roosters and story after the last storyline ended ... and without any build up at that). While the exact nuances are different it is similar that they gave a reboot of sorts to keep the series alive and did so in an abrupt manner. But no-one is trying to look through the changes in an attempt to call out diversity mandates, because these things happen."

I'm not sure if you even know what real reasoning is sweetheart.... just saying! But you're main argument here is I'm not worthy of your effort, yet you have spent several posts going through my posts one by one? LMAO!!!! So then are you admitting to not applying reasoning to your posts or something along those lines? LMAO!!!! THANKS FOR THIS!!!!

- I'm not sure if you even know that the word "real" is subjective and that your opinion of what "real reasoning" is is not a fact.

- My main argument was that DC is having diversity simply for the sake of diversity. However, you are incredibly ignorant and illiterate.

- You aren't worthy of having a debate with me and that's clear as day as you lack the brain capacity and common sense of an eight year old.

- You should be grateful that i'm entertaining your drivel in this "conversation".

But according to you, you didn't make any points because you don't need to explain yourself to me, and and since you didn't make any points and I fabricated them all, what would I possibly need to present to show you have nothing to support your argument when you yourself have all but claimed as much?

- I made my initial point that i thought DC was having diversity simply for the sake of diversity however, you're an illiterate imbecile.

- I'm not going to explain something that is common knowledge to you simply because you have the brain capacity of a fish, your parents can do that job.

- As if i needed something to support diversity for the sake of diversity. You simply lack common sense.

So let me explain this to you again. I used the first 2 Batgirls as example of characters where introduced in the same manner as Luc. They appeared out of nowhere and were integrated into the history of relatives that were linked to Batman, specifically 'allies' of his. This was only to show that Luc's sudden appearance was nothing new. This was in regards to your comments about character integration, not about keeping a character the same color, as I explained the Batmen were those examples (white to white), since these are separate concepts, I am using distinct examples of each element of your,sorry, my complaint. While Barbra replacing Bette does show an example of White replacing white, Cassandra taking up the mantle does not hurt my argument because I was never using Batgirl for my example of keeping a mantle a certain color.

- Maybe i would care if this wasn't a part of the drivel you fabricated into my argument. and it actually had something to do with Diversity simply for the sake of diversity.

So lets look and see

1) Replacing a character with of one race with a character of the same race.

So if you don't have issue with a Black character replacing a Black Character, what did you mean when you said "BECAUSE HE HAS TO BE BLACK"? If this was not in response to Luc replacing David as per topic, yet linked to diversity for the sake of Diversity, explain how this "fabricated" interpretation clearly does not fit your intended objection.

2) Introducing a character abruptly (which can include replacing characters)

As you said, "[you] use one of the examples that [I] brought up to defeat the points that [I]" fab[r]icated. Which means is was "your" point! LMAO!!!!

Still waiting sweetheart

- "Sweetheart" Again, don't flatter yourself.

- Yes, because Diversity simply for the sake is diversity is limited to a black character replacing a black character. Oh wait, it isn't.

- Again, it wasn't a point contained in my argument, but it was something i used to point out the flaws in the drivel you fabricated.

-Try again.

More of you not supporting your arguments....surprise surprise...lol!

Great response, you're lack

of examples and proof and logic and deductive reasoning is so overwhelmingly LOL-able

- Being that i used your examples that you brought up to defeat points you fabricated to show you that they didn't defeat said points i didn't need any examples.

Great response, you're lack of examples and proof and logic and deductive reasoning is so overwhelmingly LOL-able


Then enlighten me sweetheart

- I'm not going to to educate you simply because you're an imbecile without common knowledge. That sounds like your parent's problem.

When I say "we" I really mean "you". But feel free to correct me by clearly explaining what "you" mean by "diversity only/simply for the sake of diversity".

- If you don't know something that is common knowledge you probably aren't even worthy of me entertaining your drivel in this idiotic conversation.

I'll tell you what is "hilarious": the only valid point you've made this discussion, required "me" to bold and underline for you, and still added nothing to your arguments. (hint: If you don't get the pun, try again in a few years.) LMAO!!!

Perhaps yo should elaborate on "your" definition of "diversity only/simply for the sake of diversity".

- Oh you determine what points are "valid" for all comic book readers and human beings alive? Oh you don't? Surprise, surprise.

- I've actually had one primary argument, but you're apparently to illiterate and incompetent to know what it was even after i've repeated it dozens of time. I think "LMAO!!" would be appropriate here if i were to use something from your apparently childish vocabulary.

- Perhaps you should get a bit of common sense.

More of you not supporting your arguments....surprise surprise...lol!

So after several responses of this temper tantrum we get to 1 point worth addressing, underlined for your convenience. You said "The level of integration was brought up as a response to [my] drivel. Don't even attempt to associate it with my argument." So let me get this straight, after several claims, above (and below), of me injecting this into your argument, you admit to bringing it up in response to "my drivel" and it has nothing to do with your argument. THANK YOU!!!! So the one point you brought up in the whole conversation does nothing to support your argument. Yet despite your bringing it up, I injected it into your argument? LMAO!!!!

- One point worth addressing? That sounds like your opinion sir. However, you're evidently idiotic enough to regard your opinion as if it were actually a fact.

- Diversity for the sake of diversity is self explanatory. You evidently just lack the common sense to comprehend it.

- With that being said, i've brought up many points be they related to this or not however, you were just too illiterate to read them.

Considering you yourself already admitted the one point you brought up doesn't add you your argument, which you lack the ability to articulate upon, addressing this is moot.

- "The one point i brought up?" I've brought up multiple points child , be they a part of my argument or not, and you seem to think that you are the authority on which part of my posts were points and which aren't.

- You are such an utterly ignorant child.

The person who does not know how to expand their thoughts into a paragraph with supporting points and reasoning, shouldn't be talking about language. But you are right about "Simon being Arabic had nothing to do with him being Arabic", I meant "Simon being Arabic had nothing to do with DC wanting an Arabic character". I know you get easily confused and distracted, I'll be more careful in the future ... sugar.

I will point out that once again you have added a post with 0 value to support your argument... LOL!!!

- "who does not know how to expand their thoughts into a paragraph" Oh, you would know that i don't know how to form a paragraph because i choose to use hypens in my posts?

- You've all but confirmed that you are an idiot. Because you haven't seen me form a paragraph i must not be able to form a paragraph. Using that fallacy of ignorance stance that you claimed not to use before huh? Typical idiot contradiciting yourself. Feel free to contradict yourself more.

- You aren't the authority on what my points are, what they support, and what is reasoning. Those are only your opinions sir.

- Oh, you are the divine determinant of what value my post has? Oh you aren't? Understood idiot.

- Anyone with a brain can see that English is your second, or third,etc language you buffoon. You apparently have the grammatical competency of a fish, and a comparable spelling ability to boot.

- I don't know what country you're from , but they should have done a better job teaching you english as well as common sense.

OMG, what is this, are you actually attempting to defend your stance? So tell me, have you read JLA? Because if you did, you would know that Batman and Cyborg had a list of potential candidates that was never revealed to the readers until they suddenly called on them. So Batman having Luc as an unknown candidate is actually along the same lines as the way some of the JL reserves were called in. So based on how some of the new JL members were introduced, this is in character for Batman. Just as Simon's introduction is in line with the Green Lanterns. And what relevance does whether or not Sinestro/Hal stay a green lantern have on whether or not Baz was forced? If David stayed on the team in some manner would you find "Luke" less forced?

- "Defend" from your opinion? Not a chance.

- However, i am entertaining you by providing a few factors that made Simon's introduction not to seem forced to me.

- Having superheros as candidate, most of which(if not all) previously existed and were previously superheroes before being considered for acceptance into the league correlates to bringing a random stranger in to be Batwing. You may think this makes sense, but i disagree.

- That's your opinion that it's in character for Batman.

- Simon's introduction would have been line regardless of what you thought as lantern's were chosen this way for years.

- I'm not sure if you read Green Lantern, but we knew from future solicits that they would be back. Moreover, for Hal to become a Black lantern we(well i,as i'm not sure what you can actually comprehend) all knew something like this would happen. The way it was done made it seem natural instead of DC obviously having diversity simply for the sake of diversity. However, you'll most likely dispute my opinion any way you can and attempt to say that your opinion is "correct" or "right" or some idiotic thing along those lines. Surprise, surprise.

- Oh, you put 'Luke' in quotation marks because you realized that you were too idiotic to actually spell his name correctly when it's available on nearly every page. You're using "Luc" in your points and you can't even spell his name correctly? Oh wait, the english language isn't your strong suit, so that's probably normal for you.

- I'm guessing that his name is spelled "Luc" in your country?

So basically after more tantrums in place of logical argument presentation, we get to one post worth addressing where you completely dodged the question on how Senerstro and Hal returning to the corps effects how forced Baz was?

Once again, you miss the point. Batman is always recruiting, the way he is bringing in the character "in story" is similar to the way he brought in the other JL members. The way DC is rectifying this is similar to how they have historically introduced other new characters that they wanted to link to existing characters.

And according to you, it is okay for a new lantern to appear suddenly in the story but the new Batwing because Baz was planned by DC in advance and Luke was not or because he is not being forced to integrate into existing characters lives as fast? Assuming this is one of your reasons, how does that tie back to your issue with "Luke" being Black for the sake of diversity while claiming that Baz is clearly not Ariabic for the sake of Diversity?

And yes, I have several friends and relatives who spell their names or middle names "Luc". Is their customs a problem for you too? And again, the guy who lacks any concept of articulation is in no place to talk about displays of language.

LMAO! Like I said comprehension ... I was referring to someone making a race issue based on the changes of the team. I keep forgetting you can't remember more than one response back. Here is the sentence with the said correction.

"Even the recent Stormwatch issue had a reboot for instance (which used a timeline change to suddenly reboot the characters, change roosters and story after the last storyline ended ... and without any build up at that). While the exact nuances are different it is similar that they gave a reboot of sorts to keep the series alive and did so in an abrupt manner. But no-one is trying to look through the changes in an attempt to call out diversity mandates, because these things happen."

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More of you not supporting your arguments....surprise surprise...lol!

- Like i said, common sense. That's what i was referring to , but we all know that you have difficulties using the english language. As i said before, you don't know who is and isn't making a race issue based on the changes of the team. Typical ignorance.

- Your opinion of me not supporting my arguments? It's as if you think that you can determine which of my posts supports something and which it does not for me and the rest of the universe. Additionally, when you fail to read my posts properly i don't know why you think i would care about your opinion at all(although i couldn't care less at it is).

Great response, you're lack of examples and proof and logic and deductive reasoning is so overwhelmingly LOL-able

- What i've said that needed examples have them, however you seem to think that you determine what parts of my post do and don't support something, what parts of my posts do and do not prove something, and what the quality of my "logic" is for a fact for me and the rest of reality. Typical idocy.

More of you not supporting your arguments....surprise surprise...lol!

- Again, you seem to think that you determine what parts of my post do and do not support my arguments for a fact. However, i'm pretty sure that you're an idiot or a professional troll. Additionally, i'm leaning towards the prior as you don't even deserve that minimal benefit of the doubt as far as i'm concerned. Surprise, suprrise.

- The majority of your posts seem to revolve around drivel and "Lol-able" immaturity. However, that's probably the norm for an imbecile such as yourself. Surprise, surprise.

Yup an entire post of you still not providing any sort of real argument.... surprise surprise ..sweetheart!

As for your previous posts, you did a great job supporting your non-points, that I seem too illiterate to read, when you said:

- I don't need an example to back up my point sir. I'm not obligated to brainstorm for DC simply because they lack the brain capacity to do it themselves.

Yup, GREAT PROOF.

So basically after more tantrums in place of logical argument presentation, we get to one post worth addressing where you completely dodged the question on how Senerstro and Hal returning to the corps effects how forced Baz was?

Once again, you miss the point. Batman is always recruiting, the way he is bringing in the character "in story" is similar to the way he brought in the other JL members. The way DC is rectifying this is similar to how they have historically introduced other new characters that they wanted to link to existing characters.

And according to you, it is okay for a new lantern to appear suddenly in the story but the new Batwing because Baz was planned by DC in advance and Luke was not or because he is not being forced to integrate into existing characters lives as fast? Assuming this is one of your reasons, how does that tie back to your issue with "Luke" being Black for the sake of diversity while claiming that Baz is clearly not Ariabic for the sake of Diversity?

And yes, I have several friends and relatives who spell their names or middle names "Luc". Is their customs a problem for you too? And again, the guy who lacks any concept of articulation is in no place to talk about displays of language.

- "Sinestro" sir. Apparently you like to put your grade school spelling competency on a large display.

- Actually, i did answer the question however, you apparently didn't read it or it wasn't the answer you wanted. Surprise, surprise.

- According to me, a new lantern appearing when one dies is a tautology as the ring is programmed to choose another user.

- You can like it or dislike it, it was going to happen regardless.

- You clearly are illiterate. You asked me why i thought Baz wasn't forced and i actually entertained you. I suggest you go back and read what i said as this question has already been answered. You are able to read, aren't you? I assume you can read up to some minimal capacity because you've been quoting me, albeit with utter drivel.

- One who doesn't comprehend the basics of the English language which five year olds know, is in no place to speak about language or articulation.

LOL, another tantrum ....

So basically another dodge? You brought up Simon in the context of Him not being introduced for the sake of diversity, and while after several attempts you finally being able to cobble out an explanation of why you feel he was not rushed vs Luke, you have not justified in anyways how it shows that Baz was not introduced for the sake of diversity while Luke was.

Yup an entire post of you still not providing any sort of real argument.... surprise surprise ..sweetheart!

As for your previous posts, you did a great job supporting your non-points, that I seem too illiterate to read, when you said:

- "any sort of real argument" is just your opinion You'll have to do better than that if you actually expect me to care.

- Whatever i've said that i felt actually needed to be supported was as far as i'm concerned. If it didn't fit your criteria for that, or you didn't read it feel free to cry me a river.

Yup, GREAT PROOF.

- If you're done with quoting me with nonsense, i implore you not to quote me with your idiotic drivel any further However, you'll probably continue to quote me with more ignorant nonsense. Surprise, surprise.

So you admit that the post I quoted (your quote) is nonsense??? THANKS! LMAO!!!

LOL, another tantrum ....

So basically another dodge? You brought up Simon in the context of Him not being introduced for the sake of diversity, and while after several attempts you finally being able to cobble out an explanation of why you feel he was not rushed vs Luke, you have not justified in anyways how it shows that Baz was not introduced for the sake of diversity while Luke was.

- "So basically" you're illiterate as i've given examples as to why i thought Simon wasn't forced, and why i felt Luke was and you've simply failed to read them.

- You're clearly an idiot or a very good troll.

So you admit that the post I quoted (your quote) is nonsense??? THANKS! LMAO!!!

- Anyone with common sense would know that i was referring to your drivel. However, i know that English isn't your friend or even a close associate, so it's not surprising that you can't comprehend or use the language correctly.

- When you press the quote button on my post, you quote me and write your response In this thread, you have been quoting me with drivel, the drivel belonging to you of course, on a consistent basis if not throughout all of your posts. This is an explanation that a five year old could easily understand however, i doubt you can comprehend it. Surprise, suprise.

- Wait, you don't understand english so you probably couldn't comprehend that?

- What language do you speak? Should i attempt to translate this into your native tongue so that you can understand, or are you simply utterly illiterate regardless of the language?

- Once again, i implore you not to quote me with your idiotic drivel.

- Oh wait, i used the word "your" in the last post as well and you still thought i was referring to my own post. However, this is understandable as you clearly don't know what the word "your" is and you evidently use "you" instead. And you claim to be able to articulate. How utterly, utterly foolish.

- I would sincerely appreciate it if you wouldn't waste my time with your idiocy.

#7 Edited by thejman250 (154 posts) - - Show Bio

Article I read and enjoyed, probably posted on here before. Would love to hear opinions.

Grant Morrison is one of those writers that I simply do not understand. His works are constantly praised and labeled as “genius” by his fans while criticisms are brushed away with excuses like “you just don’t get it.”. The problem I have with Morrison isn’t that I don’t understand what’s going on in his “genius” stories, it’s that I don’t understand why he feels the need to do what he does in the first place. He takes everything to the extreme, no matter the cost. He wants to make his stories the biggest and most important stories in that character’s history because he sees himself as the most important writer in the history of the written word. His stories usually require some amount of additional reading to fully comprehend what you just read and many people confuse that with genius. I think he spends so much of his time trying to interweave his story within itself that he forgets to actually, you know, write a good story. In 2007, Grant Morrison was granted creative control over one of the most iconic characters in comic book history: Batman. Four years later, the entire DC universe would come to an end.

Way back in 1987 in a story called “Son of the Demon” it is revealed that Talia al Ghul and Batman did the Bat-dance and are now expecting a Batbaby. To make a long story short, she told Batman that she lost Bat Jr. to a miscarriage but we are later shown that he is actually alive and Talia just dropped him off on somebody’s door step. That child was never mentioned again until he was brought back into the picture in the form of 10 year old Damian Wayne. In “Batman and Son”, Morrison’s first Batman story arc, Damian spends most of his time being an arrogant prick to Bruce while simultaneously trying to take the Robin title from Tim Drake, and he kills people (which is kind of a no-no in the Batman family). Morrison originally planned on killing Damian at the end of the story (there’s an idea!) but the stupid fans ended up changing his mind.

He’s a good-looking boy.

Damian would eventually succeed and become the new Robin, but first Morrison had another gimmicky publicity stunt to drop on Batman fans: Batman R.I.P. Killing off a major character in a comic book is about as lame as you can get. Everybody knows it’s not permanent so it ends up being a big waste of time while everyone waits for that character to inevitably return. And this isn’t just any old character, this is Bruce Wayne we’re talking about. Let me sum it up for you as quickly as I can. Bruce Wayne dies (not really) and Dick Grayson takes over as Batman. Sound familiar? If you are a longtime Batman reader it should. Dick Grayson temporarily took over as Batman following the events of “Knightfall” in a story called “Prodigal”. Dick goes on to appoint Damian as the new Robin. Why? I have no idea. Tim Drake took the time and did the work to earn the title of Robin, and here Dick just says “too bad” and gives it to Damian, who is a prick. Anyway, they patrol Gotham and fight crime in Bruce’s absence and eventually they become friends. Meanwhile, Bruce Wayne is not dead (surprise!) but is stuck in the past for some reason. Now he must travel through time to get back to the present day. He proceeds to do this in the most ridiculous way imaginable. First he is a caveman, then a pirate, and then a cowboy pilgrim guy before finally returning to modern day and reclaiming his place as Batman. Read that sentence again and tell me it’s a good idea.

It’s not.

So all’s well that ends well, right? Bruce Wayne is back to being Batman and Gotham is safe once again. I wish it were that simple. But nothing with Grant Morrison is ever that simple. All of a sudden, Bruce has a realization that he can’t do this alone, so naturally his only option is to form a global corporation called Batman Inc. and his plan is to travel the world training various Batmen to be… Batmen. This idea is just ludicrous on premise alone. What’s worse is that now we have Bruce Wayne publicly stating that he is funding Batman Inc. and has been bankrolling Batman the whole time. The whole idea of Bruce Wayne doing this is absolutely balls to the wall crazy. It would immediately make him the primary target of every semi-competent villain in Gotham. How do you stop the Batman? Cut off his funding. Kill Bruce Wayne. And as far as the whole global Batman initiative for problems that are too big for one Batman… isn’t that what the Justice League is for?

These guys are our only hope for world peace.

As a side note, I also want to mention that Grant Morrison brought back Bat-Mite. Seriously.

So now we have Dick Grayson as Batman in Gotham with Damian Wayne as his Robin and Bruce Wayne traveling around the world training people in random countries to be Batmen. There’s no rhyme or reason to any of the countries he picks either. It’s a mess. How do we fix this? Reboot.

The New 52 reboot was, in my opinion, a genius move by DC Comics. It made it very appealing and easy for new readers to jump into the DC Universe and sales dramatically increased. Not only that, but they put the right talent in the right places and it paid off with some surprisingly good titles. Aquaman, Wonder Woman and Animal Man all come to mind as surprise hits. And of course, Scott Snyder took over the writing for Batman. What followed was some of the best work we’ve seen on Batman in the last two decades. Prior to the reboot Snyder had a great run on Detective Comics in which he wrote “The Black Mirror”. This story takes place while Dick Grayson is still Batman but it stands out as one of the best Batman stories in recent memory, so it was only natural that Snyder take the reins of Batman in the New 52.

While many characters were given clean slates in this New 52 DC Universe, much of Batman’s continuity remained intact. Batman Inc. was eliminated (and later brought back. Why? I have no clue.) and Bruce Wayne was reinstated as the only Batman in Gotham while Dick Grayson returned to his former alias, Nightwing. Damian is still Robin but is really only seen in the Batman & Robin title, not so much in Snyder’s Batman. The first story arc of the new Batman title is “The Court of Owls”. Basically the Court of Owls has been pulling the strings in Gotham for hundreds of years. Slowly but surely they wear down Batman until finally launching an all out assault on various important figures throughout Gotham City. I don’t want to spoil much because this story is truly that good. It doesn’t erase all the damage done by Grant Morrison, but we are back on the right track.

Just read it. It’s great.

What Morrison failed to do was what Snyder does extremely well: he understands the character. Scott Snyder doesn’t need gimmicks or tricks to write a great story. He uses his understanding of the characters at his disposal to create something fresh, yet familiar at the same time. These are the characters that we have been fans of since childhood. Morrison, on the other hand, tried to bend the character to his will. He didn’t try to write a great Batman story, he wrote a Grant Morrison story that featured Batman, and that’s a big difference. I mean, this is a guy who once said that Batman is “really, really gay” in an interview. Is that really the guy we want to give complete creative freedom to?

- As far as i'm concerned, snyder's run on Batman has been mediocre at best and the best of his run was the court of owls arc.

- As much as i hate Morrison with his extremely convoluted story and multiple other reasons, i think his Bruce Wayne, as a character, was much better than Snyder's.

- Additionally, i would much rather Morrison, or even Frank Miller, write Batman than Snyder as it couldn't get much worse than it is now.

#9 Edited by thejman250 (154 posts) - - Show Bio

- This is mildly interesting however, i don't really care what happens in the Trinity War as long as my favorite character is left alone.

- John's run on Justice league has been decent to me, but not that good. I honestly prefer John's on Green Lantern and i think he should have stayed there.

#10 Edited by thejman250 (154 posts) - - Show Bio

@thejman250:

Thanks I forgot about those pages but wasn't she later transferred to Gotham hospital for bullet wounds? (I think its the issue before the court of owls crossover) so Jason could've thought she'd bled out.

(I admit it is unlikely.)

- Yea her father transferred her to Gotham because it had some of the best hospitals.

- He knew her father was still alive as well, so i doubt that he would think she wouldn't have been saved. However, this is still a possibility.

- He did also give her a chance in gotham before she made her choice(I'm not sure if i mentioned this already).