Standing Eagle/Running Star: The Cap Origin they SHOULD give us

Ive always thought  that for such an iconic character.. Caps background story always seemed to lack. Well backbground.  
Despite his bravery &somewhat outdated (even for 1940s America) sense of nobility, his characterisation before the serum has always been somewhat ill-defined.its almost as if theres this missing "spark".  
Bruce Wayne has the ultimate tragedy, Kal El the ultimate gift/purpose.. Parker has..well u get the idea  
This ladies &gentlemen is MY take on the Captain America background origin treatment.

Steve Rogers was born to an Irish immigrant  father (Celtic ancestry) &Native American mother (herself a Pontiac named Running Star by her father Standing Eagle) shunned ffrom the "settlements" for falling in love with a white man &equally shunned in the Red Hook/Brooklyn where they eventually settled for being "Injun"  they struggled to make a life together for them &their soon to be born child. 
Though mostly adopting his fathers features (apart from the uncannily olive complexion)  he would also be shunned by  most of the neighbourhood kids for his mixed lineage/Native mother &his sickly scrawny appearance, all except of course for one James Barnes who lived 5doors down &helped him fight off the neighbourhood gullies &street gangs..  
 
The man Steve Rogers would call father was a celtic prizefighter from a long line of fighters known for their skill &grit who came to America searching for a better life, he would teach his son the art of boxing passed down to him by his father before him as soon as the child was able to walk, much to the chagrin of his more gentle natured mother 
He kept doing this despite eventually realising his son would NEVER live up to the physical prowess he or his his legendary GrandFather (Jack Rogers) possesed, he also continued to train/spar with his son for two reasons 1 he knew his son had immense heart..which to him was just as important as strength &2 possibly as a way of bonding with him because as he grew older   he realised he&his son had very little in common,  
little Steve excelled in History, Math (esp trigonometry) &Art he preferred to spend his spare time drawing &reading endless piles of history books on all the great philosophers &military tacticians of centuries past  ie Aristotle, Alexander of Macedonia etc &was fascinated with stories of bravery &sacrifice of  Spartan/Roman generals & tomes of the iilyad  etc(sic) he would take his appreciation of Spartan military to rificulous lenths practicing with a garbage bin lid..which got him ridiculed by passers by &picked on &savagely beaten by another, despite his attackers size &strength however he remembered how the soldiers he idolised stood up to an army 1million strong &thought if they could so can he.. It didnt work.. Gus Kowalski wasnt a million Persians &he was DEFINATELY not 300 Spartan warriors..despite this he did not run &was almost hospitalised as a result... The incident had a profound effect on him.. One that would stay with him to this very day 
 
After the garbage lid incident followed tryouts for football & the QB position (no doubt in order to please his ailing father) were initially laughed off, but while suprisingly &unexpectedly successful also woefully shortlived..  At first only allowed to scrimmage as a joke  
his unnearthly vision, accuracy, quick thinking, technique &bravery were quite prodigious... &shocked many onlookers. 
These qualities however were NOT complimented by much needed physicall prowess or stamina.. his weakness &frailty eventually proved costly &after an untimely &spiteful tackle outside the pocket put him in hospital for 4weeks.. But earned him the respect of the entire school for even trying &doing aswell as he did 
While recovering &taking a break from being bullied by the street gangs he'd improve upon his art &dream about being "more useful" his parents who had taken ill shortly before he was hospitalised made a turn for the worse &died of influenza while he was recovering.
He is allocated to a salvatian army boys home before he even fully recovered.. On his last day in he is told the news.. On his first day out... 
 
He see's the recruitment poster.....  The rest as they say is History.

15 Comments
15 Comments
Posted by texasdeathmatch

This should be in Fan Fic?

Edited by THEBlaqueBasterd
@texasdeathmatch: kinda new to this whole thing so not quite sure where anythin goes tbh..  but I dint intend it as a n outright story asmuch as an imaginary RE-telling of his background/origin 
 
What are your thoughts? Outside of categorical placements that is?  lol
Posted by texasdeathmatch
@THEBlaqueBasterd: It's pretty damn awesome. The fact he came from both a Native American and immigrant background is really cool, and a true representative of what is means to be "American."
Posted by castleking

definitely Fan Fic and Cap has way too much anglo saxon features to be evenly split with Native Blood.

Posted by Osiris1428
@castleking said:
definitely Fan Fic and Cap has way too much anglo saxon features to be evenly split with Native Blood.
Not really...
Posted by castleking
@Osiris1428
 actually, i am right. 
 
his cheek bones, nose, hair, eyes do not fit what an evenly mix person would look like.
 
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  Can you show me any real life person who is half Anglo Saxon and Native blood that looks like Cap?
i am talking about bone structure and eye hair color afterall children carrying the genes of both parents so he would slightly  resemble both  parents to a small extent.
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@castleking said:

@Osiris1428
 actually, i am right. 
 
his cheek bones, nose, hair, eyes do not fit what an evenly mix person would look like.
 

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  Can you show me any real life person who is half Anglo Saxon and Native blood that looks like Cap? i am talking about bone structure and eye hair color afterall children carrying the genes of both parents so he would slightly  resemble both  parents to a small extent.
You ever heard of that one hispanic chick named Cameron Diaz?



Edited by castleking
@Osiris1428
 
yes, i have and it is funny if you think she is hispanic, she is a spaniard and spaniards are white in the same genetic class as europeans of course further down dips of spain there are some who are darker due to the persians. The hispanic modern term is used for mix people out of spain who speak spanish.  She does not have a drop of native blood  from the south or north..
 
if you want to make a case try harder, i slapped that down with a quickness.
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@castleking said:

@Osiris1428:   yes, i have and it is funny if you think she is hispanic, she is a spaniard and spaniards are white in the same genetic class as europeans of course further down dips of spain their are some who are darker due to the persians. The hispanic modern term is used for mix people out of spain who speak spanish.  She does not have a drop of native blood  from the south or north. if you want to make a case try harder, i slapped that down with a quickness.



From IMDb30 August 1972San Diego, California, USA 

Cameron Michelle Diaz 

Cami 

5' 9" (1.75 m) 

A tall, strikingly attractive blue-eyed bottle blonde, Cameron Diaz was born in 1972 in San Diego. She is the daughter of Billie (Anglo-German) and Emilio Diaz (Cuban-American). Self described as "adventurous, independent and a tough kid,"....

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@Osiris1428
 
*sigh* 
nice editing of her dad's pedigree to make a false argument.
Cuba s where her parents entered the U.S.  through from Spain when they migrated and even still she isnt evenly split to begin with to make your case.
 
here: 

Her father was born in Los Angeles County, and his family came from Spain via Cuba (her paternal grandparents settled in Tampa's Ybor City). Her mother is of English, German, Native American, and Dutch descent. She attended Long Beach Polytechnic High School.
 
The argument is for an evenly Split Native and Anglo Saxon who can produce someone of Cap's features.  She isnt evenly splint with native blood at best a quarter and at worse far less.
Posted by Osiris1428
@castleking Dude, I don't know. That wasn't edited, it was straight from her IMDb page. It says she is of Cuban decent. I am not Donald Trump, I'm really not interested in her long form birth certificate, I'm just saying I think it's possible for that result to come from that mixture. You win. No need to break out an entire chart of the anatomy of a spider to justify why Spider-Man would need web sacks sticking out his arms for him to have organic web shooters. J/K
Edited by castleking

anything is possible............ But, issued the challenge to find someone who is evenly split. if you didnt have one you shouldnt have commented and brought Cameron Diaz into it. 
I know mixed people who are white and Native some are evenly split some like me only have residual traces of european blood but when i see a Mixed indeginous they not once looked like Captain America.
 
when you live around a certain ethnic class you can kinda tell.. its all about bone, skin, eye and hair... 
now there are white hispanics *air quotes* but one cannot say they are evenly split nor do they have a stronger european appearance.
example:
 
  

  keep in mind that Damian already has european blood from the previous european spaniard/french that  rape  his Mexican Native ancestors prior from his mother who is German and yet you can see his indigenous heritage in bone structure. his hair isnt bright  blonde nor are his eyes deep blue, you are not going to get someone who looks pure anglo saxon with an even split anymore then you would if you mixed with a black and white.
Edited by THEBlaqueBasterd

Wow.. It was probly really naive of me to think this wouldn start some lame half assed racial debate/diatribe..  I hate to even justify something so silly with a response but
Actually YES there are MANY  MANY ppl who exhibit "facial characteristics" from ONLY on side of their mixed parentage. For a prime example Wentworth Miller (Prison Break) his Dad is black.. His Mom is white yet despite this displays MAINLY what u racial categorialist &eugenics junkies would like to call "anglo features"  this is quite relatively common &has been for centuries.... 
 
Besides wth are u doin talkin about  eugenics on a comics site anyway? lol I know I might have missed the right category (it still ISNT fan fic imo)  but im pretty sure this isnt a junior nazi/eugenics forum...  
" Can you show me any real life person who is half Anglo Saxon and Native blood that looks like Cap?"  SERIOUSLY??
How many Native Americans/Canadians have u actually SEEN?  Idunno what world you live in Castle, but I suggest you open your eyes more.. Your way out of your depth here..  both socially AND scientifically speaking

Edited by THEBlaqueBasterd
@texasdeathmatch: Thanx Tex, was goin for the base level irony of having an enlisted posterboy american hero.. actually being not one but two of the three main american categories.. Native & Immigrant..aswell as that it'd give a hidden unspoken depth previously unforseen in the Cap character.. (IMO anyway)  
 
Just think when sum Nazi asks him why hes special he'll say hes just a kid from brooklyn.. But if ANYONE ever questioned WHO he was.. All he'd have to say is American.. 
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@THEBlaqueBasterd
 
Wentworth Miller father isnt full black he is also mixed again you guys are using partial mixed heritage of the parent and are arguing for an evenly mixed character that has full anglo saxon aryan features.
 
Wentworth Miller isnt evenly split black with white,  his dad has other races mixed in him which is a strong reason why Wentworth looks the way he does which isnt Captain America looking in the least, he has recessive genes from both sides of the family. 
 
you want to know where i come from? i come from the united states, my brother is half white and Native, my nephew is black and white his mother is blonde blue eyed girl and he  has curly dirty blond hair and light brown eyes and tan skin..  I have been to various parts of the world from europe, middle east to other parts of the americas. i have met various mixed people and have a good understanding of genetics something that you appear to be lacking. I am also an indigenous person who happens to have european blood  and although i am not split 50/50 i can see how it expresses itself with other members of my family like my cousin who had dirty blonde hair and hazel green eyes and light skin when he was born due to certain european traits expressing themselves from both sides of the family, his hair turn brown and his eyes less green as he got older.
 
If Captain America were to be split even he would have to share certain traits from skin tone texture, hair or eyes, bone structure at the very least one of them traits would be expressed cap has none of those.
 
and you can keep your nazi comment to yourself since genetic traits and expression in a person has nothing to do with nazism. If anything you should have thought out your premise more carefully. It would have been more believable if his mother or father was the one that was part native and anglo so Steve would have certain recessive genes from both sides of his family so it could be expressed in him. Steve would have been more believable as a quarter mixed Native rather then a evenly split native.
 
now i am not saying that someone cannot be mixed and looked anglo what i am saying is that someone cannot be mixed and maintain a host of recessive traits of a single parent and look pure aryan white, pale white skin, bright blond hair, dark blue eyes and lack native facial bone structure.