@sora_thekey: Didn't Professor X just ask him for his help or something? I have an odd feeling he will have a large role soon....

@krspaceT: I like your hypothesis... but Storm is in that image so she's ruled out. The rest (for the exception of Magneto) would be really significant deaths by the end of the event.

Emma, Scott, Tchalla, Colossus, Magik, or Magneto are not shown, so if we were to remove the recently de badassed siblings, we have Emma, Scott, Tchalla, Colossus, Magik, or Magneto. If we add Xavier, Storm and Hope to the list.....lets figure out what path they'd take.

Emma; Her death would show a continuation of the Phoenix Curse, the cosmic rule that makes Cyclops incapable of ever loving anyone. She's loosing control and is scared, as the power consumes her just as it consumed Jean all those years ago.

Cyclops; The leader of the X-Men is also loosing control, as he feels the crazed state that Jean felt before. So far, he seems to be the most in control....but it has slipped. After all, Romeo killed himself for Juliet, and Juliet killed herself for Romeo.....

T'Challa; He's getting a lot of focus, and the drama with Storm is something to consider. Perhaps in death he say's something like 'As my final act as head priest of the Panther Cult, I re-instate my marriage to Storm. Wakanda needs a heir, and it would be wrong to have him a bastard...Tell her....I am sorry......Steve, Tony.....Logan.....

Assuming that Storm isn't pregnant, he's sort of like Captain America power wise...and who died last war?

Storm; It follows the redemption equals death, and I am having trouble seeing her in the image there. They did kill Nightcrawler off a few years back, and she is one of the big three of the Giant Size X-Men (her, Kurt and Logan). It could also create a guilt angle for both the X-men, and Black Panther

Xavier; With the original X-men appearing, how do you think they would react to such a death. And look at pop culture; Vader kills Obi-Wan, not to mention killing Xavier might be the best thing to snap Scott out of it. And he is the Luther King Jr of Mutants...

Magneto; Last but not least. Magneto is all and all the Malcom X of Mutant Rights, and what happened to Malcom X.....well it also happened to Luther King (Xavier). Perhaps they can't afford to kill off a genuine hero, but a reformed villain could be expendable. It would be irony to mourn for the bad guy.

You know, there are still others. She Hulk for one, and perhaps Pym. It would be irony to kill him off after he has straitened himself out.

@rawr: Agreed, if I wrote comics I'd keep the relations around.....no wives blowing up into flaming birds, no demonic retcons, ect

Cyclops being the obvious choice that seems to be telegraphed from the get-go it would be sad to see Marvel be THAT obvious. Let him be profoundly effected by the events and go be a recluse for a while but Cyclops is the Magneto to Wolverine's Xavier as has been blatantly setup time and time again since Schism (whether we like thinking about them that way, the writers seem to want us to look at them that way) and you can't kill off your Magneto. Or can you if the 17 year old version is coming back right after?

I been giving a lot of thought to Luke Cage as the possible death. Marvel outright said it was a Team Leader and Luke Cage is technically currently a Team Leader. Also in early AvX tie-ins he was having his marital crisis and chose to pick fights in AvX then leave the Avengers with wife&kid. I'd like that to have some sort of consequence other than Yet Another Marvel Divorce.

@Gonzo33: At least in Civil War they killed Goliath and some villains off in the middle. If I was writing AVX.....I'd have killed off a few people by now.

After all.....the X-Men have a lot of C list fodder to deal with. After all, who'd miss Polaris or Sunfire?

You would think with a war between characters, some people would have died already and not just whoever in the final issue.

@TheAnnihilator: Erm is Hope?

@krspaceT: Scarlet Witch has already been shown to be on the Uncanny Avengers post-AvX. Keep up.

@johnkmccubbin91: I think I see her in those sketches

@Blood1991 said:

@krspaceT said:

@Blood1991: Though I guess Professor X might die...you know maybe we should just do this

Who do we know lives....assuming a Phoenix Force style universal reboot doesn't happen. Thor, Spiderman, Iron Man, Captain America, Wolverine....erm is the X guy Cyclops? Or did someone just make a Conner Kent out of him and Daredevil?

I can top that image

I don't see Cyclops's outline anywhere and he does have a 17 year old self coming to Marvel, he is still a kinda maybe for me. X is still at the top of my list.

@Blood1991 said:

@krspaceT said:

@TheAnnihilator: erm....anyone important you don't see there?

I don't see Emma, Scott, Tchalla, Colossus, Magik, or Magneto.

@TheAnnihilator said:

@Blood1991: Oh thank god Beast is there I got worried.

Yeah I missed him on my first scan through. I'm glad he's going to live through this. I think I see Danny to below Falcon a tiny image, but I think it is him.

So I don't think Scarlet's there.......and that image did't seem fighty...more team upy

@Mercy_ said:

Emma Frost is my guess.

Here is my guess the biggest connection between the two groups the Scarlet Witch as the last AvX vs has her vs Hope. Plus she's been barely used since they brought her back so easy come easy go otherwise the Iron Fist theory is good and one of the Phoenix Five could be

Emma, probably.

@TheAnnihilator: It could be a symbolic image of how war only harms the innocent.....and Wolvie's 'kids' are the only big Marvel heroes who have never died in any real shape or form. They are due

@krspaceT: Kitty isn't in the fight, and Jubilee has been a background character for too long to be killed. She's been shown in this event once, maybe. They always build the death up.

@Blood1991: You know, they could kill off Jubilee or Kitty Pryde, now that I think about it. That would hurt the X-men, and the Avengers through Wolverine.

@Blood1991: Black Panther definately could be done......with Storm and him suddenly having larger roles, and Colossus is an interesting option......Magik doesn't have the publciity.......and Emma and Scott are too obvious.

Magneto dies as often as the Joker dies....no fan would believe it

@The Stegman: Adult Comic females like Shadow Cat, Wasp are truly a rarity. After all, few comic book females are really....erm...Gifted. Yeah, that's the word, gifted. Emma Frost is also gifted....so gifted it was evident even in Pyrde of the X men.

@krspaceT said:

@TheAnnihilator: erm....anyone important you don't see there?

I don't see Emma, Scott, Tchalla, Colossus, Magik, or Magneto.

@TheAnnihilator said:

@Blood1991: Oh thank god Beast is there I got worried.

Yeah I missed him on my first scan through. I'm glad he's going to live through this. I think I see Danny to below Falcon a tiny image, but I think it is him.

@Lokheit:

This seems a little to obvious... 

@TheAnnihilator: erm....anyone important you don't see there?

@Blood1991: Oh thank god Beast is there I got worried.

@Blood1991: Erm......no Angel's died before......Psylocke just got killed out of out AVX, Magneto perhaps?

@krspaceT said:

@Blood1991: Maybe so many characters die Hope uses the Phoenix to reboot the world a la Flashpoint, making this entire debate mute. Perhaps they will kill off more of them than in the intro to DC universe online (AKA, a lot. Its a neat little intro movie, featuring the death of all our favorite DC heroes and villains, including Deathstroke, Wonder Woman and Metallo)

Well with Wanda around that could be possible and would explain some of the space based looking Marvel Now stuff.

@Blood1991: Maybe so many characters die Hope uses the Phoenix to reboot the world a la Flashpoint, making this entire debate mute. Perhaps they will kill off more of them than in the intro to DC universe online (AKA, a lot. Its a neat little intro movie, featuring the death of all our favorite DC heroes and villains, including Deathstroke, Wonder Woman and Metallo)

@krspaceT said:

@Blood1991: Though I guess Professor X might die...you know maybe we should just do this

Who do we know lives....assuming a Phoenix Force style universal reboot doesn't happen. Thor, Spiderman, Iron Man, Captain America, Wolverine....erm is the X guy Cyclops? Or did someone just make a Conner Kent out of him and Daredevil?

I can top that image

I don't see Cyclops's outline anywhere and he does have a 17 year old self coming to Marvel, he is still a kinda maybe for me. X is still at the top of my list.

@Blood1991: Though I guess Professor X might die...you know maybe we should just do this

Who do we know lives....assuming a Phoenix Force style universal reboot doesn't happen. Thor, Spiderman, Iron Man, Captain America, Wolverine....erm is the X guy Cyclops? Or did someone just make a Conner Kent out of him and Daredevil?

@krspaceT: :O those are my favorite X-Men, I don't want either to die. Still an intresting theory I suppose we will find out soon enough, and yes I hope your wrong lol.

@Blood1991: The Phoenix Force is interesting that way. Lets say she attacks the Phoenix Four, and Collosus smashes her. He's feeling guilty for accidentally hurting Kitty, then killing one of his older teammates might just drive him to the edge, having him give up his life to bring her back.

@krspaceT said:

@Blood1991: Look, even with marriage problems, Storm is going to feel guilty about what happened. I may not be going to get comics until tomorrow, but I have visions of her going after the Phoenix Four....

Ever here of redemption equals death.

She as been teasered in A+X and still has her own book well team, but I don't remember seeing Beast anywhere.

@Blood1991: Look, even with marriage problems, Storm is going to feel guilty about what happened. I may not be going to get comics until tomorrow, but I have visions of her going after the Phoenix Four....

Ever here of redemption equals death.

@krspaceT said:

What about Beast? He's an Avenger and a X men. Since Wolverine just can't die, he and Storm would hurt both teams.....

Storm's death wouldn't hurt the Avengers anymore.....

What about Beast? He's an Avenger and a X men. Since Wolverine just can't die, he and Storm would hurt both teams.....

@haydenclaireheroes said:

I think the death will be some one in the Pheonix Five since they have been concentrating on them the most in this story arc

Nah, I think they'll have to live with their actions.

If it's one person, it's going to be an Avenger, but they're going to win the fight. "One side wins, everyone loses."

I think the death will be some one in the Pheonix Five since they have been concentrating on them the most in this story arc

i have no clue as to who it is (but namor frost and iron fist are probably the best candidates) but it probably wont be someone with their own ongoing other than maybe red hulk

@TheAnnihilator said:

@Hareil0079: Eh, you'd have to read the issue. It sort of sets him up for AvX and beyond.

Having read the issue of FF, my theory of T'challa dieing still stands, as this event of AvX ties in to him becoming the king of the dead of wakanda and his sister claiming the title as queen, which leads to me to see storm being exiled

@god_spawn said:

@Hareil0079 said:

My bets are between Xavier, T'challa, Emma & Iron Fist

T'Challa is a no with his recent events. Xavier, made a blog on why that could work and I think AvX issue 8 made it a strong possibility. Emma is still a possibility and Iron Fist has been the only consistent choice I've made since the start. But Rulk and Cage are still choices IMO.

T'challa is valid, just everyone is excusing him cause of the recent ff issue (even though it takes place before the events of AvX)

Your right, which Namor only did after THEY KIDNAPPED THE MESSIAH OF THEIR RACE, wars have been started over far less then that and they have flat out declared they want to use Hope to kill the Phoenix.

You do realize being a member of an organization (Black Panther with the Avengers) that declares war against another power (PF5) when you are the leader of a people means your nation has declared war against that power right? Black Panther was harboring the Avengers within his own borders just adding fuel to the fire. The last straw was the capturing of Transonic. Namor would have declared war over such things even if he didn't have the PF. Doing what he did was probably the dumbest thing I've ever seen the Black panther do, especially since he was suppose to be against antagonizing the PF5 in the first place.

Hell we even have proof from UNIT that the goal of the Phoenix was to restore the mutant gene (a plan he proceeded to bugger up), we have Cable coming back from the future telling Scott that if Cap got hold of Hope and hid her from the Phoenix somehow it would respond with torching Earth, and Scott is the one being unreasonable?

@why_you_mad_tho said:

@TheAnnihilator said:

@imperial90 said:

A mutant death in a war between the x-men and the avengers would bring together the communities? God if anything it would just make mutant kind be even more resentful of the meta-human community then they've already shown themselves to be (For good reason if you ask me, I haven't seen the Avengers do jack to help mutant-kind since before M-day despite all the repeated attempts at genocide against them since then). Even if it's an accident of some kind, or one of the PF5 goes dark and has to be put down, the Avengers started the fight in the first place.

Just nitpicking, but meta-human is a DC term.

The Avengers didn't start the fight. The X-Men did. There is no doubt about that.

The Avengers arrived at the X-mens homes demanding their messiah ans possible savor of their entire race. Funny..i remember when Captain America told the X-men that Scarlet Witch was off limits to them because she was an Avenger. But he arrives with a HeliCarrier and an Army of Superheroes looking to take Hope Summers. And at this point Cyclops own son comes from the future says if the Avengers get Hope Summers they will cause the destruction of the planet. And Rachel Summers is living proof the PF can be controlled. And when Summers and the PF proved the Avengers wrong by improving the world instead of destroying it. And the X-men had mutants turn earth into a Utopia, The avengers retaliated by created "Phoenix Killer" weapons. They attack the X-men's home again, and this time even attackchildren. And then to rub salt in the wound they use Scarlet Witch as weapon against the x-men. Please explain to me how the x-men started this fight?

The war started because Cyclops is an increasingly hostile and extreme leader. Cap knew that it wouldn't be easy getting Hope and that he would need back up. Here's the difference between the Hope and Scarlet Witch situation. For starters the mutants aren't a race and she didn't kill anyone, she de-powered them. If Cyclops had a hold of her, they would kill her or imprison her. The Avengers had no negative plans for Hope and wanted to cooperate with the X-Men, but that wasn't going to happen because Cyclops hold the re-powering of mutants over the lives of everyone in the galaxy. Sure, the Phoenix Force could restore these people's powers, but it could also easily end up destroying the Earth just like every other planet it's gone through.

Rachel is one example of a the Phoenix Force being able to be controlled, but Jean Grey couldn't do it. And Hope is a hormonal teenage girl. Letting a hormonal teenage girl become possessed by the most destructive entity in the universe? Yeah, that's a good idea. The Phoenix Force is a time bomb. Every time it coming to Earth has meant nothing good.

Yeah, they improved the world at first, until they you know, Namor destroyed the capital city of Wakanda and killed thousands of people.

@why_you_mad_tho: @imperial90:

I've debated this dozens of times already and it isn't on topic for this thread, so let's agree to disagree.

Your right, which Namor only did after THEY KIDNAPPED THE MESSIAH OF THEIR RACE, wars have been started over far less then that and they have flat out declared they want to use Hope to kill the Phoenix.

You do realize being a member of an organization (Black Panther with the Avengers) that declares war against another power (PF5) when you are the leader of a people means your nation has declared war against that power right? Black Panther was harboring the Avengers within his own borders just adding fuel to the fire. The last straw was the capturing of Transonic. Namor would have declared war over such things even if he didn't have the PF. Doing what he did was probably the dumbest thing I've ever seen the Black panther do, especially since he was suppose to be against antagonizing the PF5 in the first place.

Hell we even have proof from UNIT that the goal of the Phoenix was to restore the mutant gene (a plan he proceeded to bugger up), we have Cable coming back from the future telling Scott that if Cap got hold of Hope and hid her from the Phoenix somehow it would respond with torching Earth, and Scott is the one being unreasonable?

@why_you_mad_tho said:

@TheAnnihilator said:

@imperial90 said:

A mutant death in a war between the x-men and the avengers would bring together the communities? God if anything it would just make mutant kind be even more resentful of the meta-human community then they've already shown themselves to be (For good reason if you ask me, I haven't seen the Avengers do jack to help mutant-kind since before M-day despite all the repeated attempts at genocide against them since then). Even if it's an accident of some kind, or one of the PF5 goes dark and has to be put down, the Avengers started the fight in the first place.

Just nitpicking, but meta-human is a DC term.

The Avengers didn't start the fight. The X-Men did. There is no doubt about that.

The Avengers arrived at the X-mens homes demanding their messiah ans possible savor of their entire race. Funny..i remember when Captain America told the X-men that Scarlet Witch was off limits to them because she was an Avenger. But he arrives with a HeliCarrier and an Army of Superheroes looking to take Hope Summers. And at this point Cyclops own son comes from the future says if the Avengers get Hope Summers they will cause the destruction of the planet. And Rachel Summers is living proof the PF can be controlled. And when Summers and the PF proved the Avengers wrong by improving the world instead of destroying it. And the X-men had mutants turn earth into a Utopia, The avengers retaliated by created "Phoenix Killer" weapons. They attack the X-men's home again, and this time even attackchildren. And then to rub salt in the wound they use Scarlet Witch as weapon against the x-men. Please explain to me how the x-men started this fight?

The war started because Cyclops is an increasingly hostile and extreme leader. Cap knew that it wouldn't be easy getting Hope and that he would need back up. Here's the difference between the Hope and Scarlet Witch situation. For starters the mutants aren't a race and she didn't kill anyone, she de-powered them. If Cyclops had a hold of her, they would kill her or imprison her. The Avengers had no negative plans for Hope and wanted to cooperate with the X-Men, but that wasn't going to happen because Cyclops hold the re-powering of mutants over the lives of everyone in the galaxy. Sure, the Phoenix Force could restore these people's powers, but it could also easily end up destroying the Earth just like every other planet it's gone through.

Rachel is one example of a the Phoenix Force being able to be controlled, but Jean Grey couldn't do it. And Hope is a hormonal teenage girl. Letting a hormonal teenage girl become possessed by the most destructive entity in the universe? Yeah, that's a good idea. The Phoenix Force is a time bomb. Every time it coming to Earth has meant nothing good.

Yeah, they improved the world at first, until they you know, Namor destroyed the capital city of Wakanda and killed thousands of people.

@imperial90 said:

A mutant death in a war between the x-men and the avengers would bring together the communities? God if anything it would just make mutant kind be even more resentful of the meta-human community then they've already shown themselves to be (For good reason if you ask me, I haven't seen the Avengers do jack to help mutant-kind since before M-day despite all the repeated attempts at genocide against them since then). Even if it's an accident of some kind, or one of the PF5 goes dark and has to be put down, the Avengers started the fight in the first place.

Just nitpicking, but meta-human is a DC term.

The Avengers didn't start the fight. The X-Men did. There is no doubt about that.

@imperial90 said:

A mutant death in a war between the x-men and the avengers would bring together the communities? God if anything it would just make mutant kind be even more resentful of the meta-human community then they've already shown themselves to be (For good reason if you ask me, I haven't seen the Avengers do jack to help mutant-kind since before M-day despite all the repeated attempts at genocide against them since then). Even if it's an accident of some kind, or one of the PF5 goes dark and has to be put down, the Avengers started the fight in the first place.

Just nitpicking, but meta-human is a DC term.

The Avengers didn't start the fight. The X-Men did. There is no doubt about that.

@Hareil0079 said:

My bets are between Xavier, T'challa, Emma & Iron Fist

T'Challa is a no with his recent events. Xavier, made a blog on why that could work and I think AvX issue 8 made it a strong possibility. Emma is still a possibility and Iron Fist has been the only consistent choice I've made since the start. But Rulk and Cage are still choices IMO.

A mutant death in a war between the x-men and the avengers would bring together the communities? God if anything it would just make mutant kind be even more resentful of the meta-human community then they've already shown themselves to be (For good reason if you ask me, I haven't seen the Avengers do jack to help mutant-kind since before M-day despite all the repeated attempts at genocide against them since then). Even if it's an accident of some kind, or one of the PF5 goes dark and has to be put down, the Avengers started the fight in the first place.

@John Valentine said:

Good blog.

Cyclops will most likely end up having to save the world from the other, corrupt members of the Phoenix Five (RE: Light Phoenix vs Dark Phoenix prophecy). If he does die, he'll die a hero. I doubt he'll die, however: I hope he'll somehow end up as the hero of the event without dying. Making him the villain would be an easy and predictable move on Marvel's part, and given the last issue of AvX I don't think that's where he's headed. He's certainly the most stable, least corrupt Phoenix Five member; he has his agenda, but he also has his boundaries. Also, we all know that adult Cyclops is shown in promotional material for "Marvel NOW!".

I reckon it's Rulk that dies. He's being replaced by his daughter in the "Hulk' title. Then there's the fact that Cable said Talbot, and not Ross, was the Red Hulk in the future of this timeline (Cable's past) during X-Sanction. Something happens to stop Ross from being Rulk. I predict that the figure on the floor of that cover of "AvX: Consequences" is likely a dead/dying Thadeus Ross in human form.

This does not exclude the possibility of others dying too (Emma, Iron Fist, Luke Cage etc). Damn, I wish Luke Cage would die.

That is a thought but with all due respect why dedicate a cover to Rulk of all characters? Not like I'd miss the SoB anyway,however, maybe I'm missing something. Of nothing else his death would down on the number of hulks running about.

Luke Cage hasn't been up to much lately so it wouldn't surprise me if Marvel deemed him expendable.

@TheAnnihilator said:

@Hareil0079: Eh, you'd have to read the issue. It sort of sets him up for AvX and beyond.

I'll check it out, but considering that FF ends in Oct. I don't see it as setting things up. I believe that UA will do that and come 2013 the relaunch of FF, Future F, UXM, XML, etc... Post AvX

@Hareil0079: Eh, you'd have to read the issue. It sort of sets him up for AvX and beyond.