Why Banner Is Worthy of Mjolnir

Indestructible Hulk picking up Mjolnir?

This is something that has been bothering me for a long time. people claim, that Hulk should not be worthy of Mjolnir, but i'm here to say, that some of the incarnations are worthy, because they have proven themselves over and over again. Now i know that thor Fans will disagree with me, But there are characters that SHOULD in fact be able to lift Mjolnir. Here are The following characteristics In order to lift Mjolnir:

  • Nobility
  • Bravery
  • Honor
  • Power
  • Must have a Good understanding of heroism
  • must Not shy away from killing if needed to
  • and as i've noticed a bit f arrogance does not interfere with being able to lift Mjolnir.

In the preview of Indestructible Hulk 7, written by mark waid, we see that Thors Hammer is lifted by The hulk, and the reaction is amazing, and i can understand that, because the SAVAGE hulk , should not be able to lift Mjolnir or be able to overcome odins enchantment, because despite being a hero at heart, he isn't exactly that similar to thor, but what about banner? and what about the other hulk incarnations? thats what i want to discuss right now.

But to do that, i'd like to Go over on the other hulk incarnations as well. the grey hulk should never be able to lift thors hammer due to the fact that he is a childish a$$, no seriously, i love joe but he is simply a jerk, just for the hell of it. As for prof hulk, he seems more likely to do something like this but again, he is radically different from thor so i doubt that he of all people should be able do this task.

And i can go on how different hulks might react to this situation, would they be able to do it or not, but it does not matter, because when we are discussing the hulk, there is ALWAYS one factor, who never seems to change. now i doubt that it's not really that hard for you to figure out who i am referring too, but here i'll say it: there are many hulks, numerous incarnations, which we have come to love over the years, but we have to remember , that without banner, there is no hulk.

banners personality over the years have changed, at one point of his life, he would not have been worthy, because he didn't accept himself as the engine of destruction that he is. But now, banner is different, he is even willing to kill people who deserve it, but he does not do a thing to innocent people, which has been demonstrated in the following examples:

see what i mean? look at the fact that he simply cannot harm children , but put him against someone like wolverine, doom or leader, and this is what we will get...

Banner Vs doom. lets analyze this, how much guts would it take to do something like that, and it's fun to mention right now that banner did not HAVE THE hulk at this moment, kind of increases how awesome he is doesn't it? yup, it does.

Banner is the strongest there is! yes, exactly, Banner is Stronger than Hulk morally, he is will, and this isn't the first time banner has faced his inner demons, he does this type of things all the time. in fact, YOU! thats right YOU! are not giving Bruce enough credit, i mean, imagine a scrawny little guy being in charge of one of the most powerful beings in THE marvel universe, someone who has faced guys like thor, galaxy master, and so one. and this isn't the first time Bruce has done something like this , he One-shotted both hulk and grey hulk in his mind , during the merging story which eventually let to the creation of prof hulk. and he has repeatedly faced monsters like the Devil hulk. is he not worthy? fine, then lets move on

you see this? this is what i am talking about, but i also mentioned that banner will sacrifice himself when needed too, and he will also kill people if they have wronged him to often, and here are the scans tor prove this.

Banner was going to kill leader , but he was interrupted, and then he proceeded by volunteering to sacrifice himself by absorbing gamma radiation, these are two qualities of a worrier , and despite the fact that banner IS not physically a worrier he is one mentally, because he had to fight foes form all sides , which gave him nerves of steel.

ALSO, note that WWH was the closest hulk to banners personality, therefore i can safely apply his heroic deeds to banner, Though it would seem that Prof was the closets to banner, it was implied at the end of greg paks run that he that Banner and WWH had been the same person, who just couldn't accept each other.

World war hulk, even though he was 100% sure that his whole planet died because of the Humans, did not execute them, he wanted to punish the Illuminati, that was his goal, justice, and he showed that he was the bigger person. He also took a beating from Zues for his family, a beating that nearly cost him his life. He also saved people in his fight with skaar, because he didn't want innocent people to get hurt, but when he faces villains who are not innocent, here is what happens:

destroying a planet in the dark dimension

and what makes banner more willing do things hulk won't?? behold

bet you'd never expect that did ya? yes, banner is willing to do things even the hulk can't do, it's banners mental pain that gives the hulk his limitless source of power, without Banner, there is No hulk.

Indestructible!

Now lets look at Banners new personality. He is cheerful, motivated and has found focus in his life, he is more dedicated, and has accepted the hulk. Now what does that give us? it gives us a banner who finely took control over his life and become a worrier full time, meaning that instead of repressing his inner worrier , he is going along with it, and he is giving him a direction, so i think banners new change in personality will be the REASON to why he is able to lift Mjolnir.

ALSO, lets not forget that Banner has gotten his grubby little hands on some URU metal ( which is what Thors Hammer is made of, and no, i mean the one which shoots thunder and creates wind) , which could possibly hint why he could accomplish this feat.

if we consider that fact that one of the 8th smartest man on the planet is trying to accomplished something wit the help of his VERY intelligent assistants , i might place my bet on the fact that they might get what they want.

And even before his change of heart banner had always been a fighter, he never gave up. If banner per say had been the whip everyone thought him to be , he would have given in to the Hulks power, and he would have just simply gave himself up to the army, where they would have done god knows what. but Banner never gave up, he always fought for control, and he never rolled over to the army, so why people think he isn't a Worrier is beyond me.

Anyways, my point is that if we consider some things, banner is worthy of Mjolnir, he has risked his life for others and has faced both mental and physical threats, not to mention the fact that he is at constant war with himself, but it probably won't be because banner is WORTHY, no, there will be some catch, so stop cplaining please, and just say it with me " Smash at thee!" come on! you can do it!

SMASH AT THEE!

39 Comments
39 Comments
Posted by Z3RO180

I'm a thor fan I don't really care who lifts the hammer truth be told I'm a bit shocked that it took marvel this long to have hulk lift it. I mean he has shown over and over again that he is a hero so why shouldn't he be able to lift it.

Posted by guttridgeb

I love this post :P

Posted by TheAcidSkull

@guttridgeb said:

I love this post :P

HULK FANS UNITE!

anything you'd like to add ?:P

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Posted by guttridgeb

@TheAcidSkull: You've covered most of the bases, I would add Hulk's nobility as shown by his selfless assault on Olympus to try and help his extended family :)

Posted by TheAcidSkull

@guttridgeb said:

@TheAcidSkull: You've covered most of the bases, I would add Hulk's nobility as shown by his selfless assault on Olympus to try and help his extended family :)

WAIT I DIDN'T MENTION THAT! i shall look over it right away!

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Posted by JonSmith

Well, I didn't want to debate this with him, but I trust you'll be more than capable, @TheAcidSkull.

HEY, ! You said something about essays?

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Posted by TheAcidSkull

@JonSmith said:

Well, I didn't want to debate this with him, but I trust you'll be more than capable, @TheAcidSkull.

HEY, ! You said something about essays?

saywhatnow?

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Posted by Lvenger

A very thorough blog post. But I bet there'll be some catch. If Hulk can lift Mjolnir the floodgates might open with lesser candidates who may possess only a few characteristics necessary to lift Mjolnir.

Posted by TheAcidSkull

@Lvenger said:

A very thorough blog post. But I bet there'll be some catch. If Hulk can lift Mjolnir the floodgates might open with lesser candidates who may possess only a few characteristics necessary to lift Mjolnir.

i agree, there will no doubt be some type of catch to the whole shindig :P

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Posted by JonSmith

@TheAcidSkull said:

saywhatnow?

If he answers the call, you'll see. By the way, where are those scans of Bruce overpowering the Hulk from?

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Posted by TheAcidSkull

@JonSmith said:

@TheAcidSkull said:

saywhatnow?

If he answers the call, you'll see. By the way, where are those scans of Bruce overpowering the Hulk from?

It's a season One for the Hulk :), it's a canon re-telling of an origin :)

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Posted by JonSmith

@TheAcidSkull said:

It's a season One for the Hulk :), it's a canon re-telling of an origin :)

Excellent. Now I know what to look for. Thanks.

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Posted by TheAcidSkull

@JonSmith said:

@TheAcidSkull said:

It's a season One for the Hulk :), it's a canon re-telling of an origin :)

Excellent. Now I know what to look for. Thanks.

Hope You enjoy it as much as i did/

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Posted by MrShway88

Still don't think he's worthy but to each their own

Posted by Pyrogram

@MrShway88 said:

Still don't think he's worthy but to each their own

^^

@TheAcidSkull: This was amazing mate; Loved it.

Posted by lykopis

Lots of information to shore up your opinion of Banner's worthiness of lifting the Mjolnir.

Very nicely done, very educational.

Posted by TheAcidSkull

@lykopis said:

Lots of information to shore up your opinion of Banner's worthiness of lifting the Mjolnir.

Very nicely done, very educational.

Thank you SOOOOO! much ^______^

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Posted by GreenScar1990

I agree that too many underestimate Dr. Banner, which is messed up. Bruce Banner is one of the most noble, selfless, courageous beings in the entire Marvel Universe. And the same could be said of the Hulk, especially the Green Scar/Green King/WWH persona. I mean, think about it for a second. If someone destroyed your planet, killed millions of innocent people and your beloved wife who was pregnant, would you be able to restrain yourself from killing them? I don't think I could, nor many others either.

It's like Pak stated in an interview that, besides beings of Galactus' level of power, that if Banner/Hulk didn't want to be stopped in WWH, they wouldn't have and no force could make them. Banner is one of the smartest there is, rivaling the likes of Richards, Doom, Stark, Pym and numerous others. He's definitely in the top five most brilliant minds in the MU. While Banner is the smartest, Hulk is one of the most powerful and is the strongest one there is. How many beings can challenge a pantheon of Gods and a Sky-Father equal to Odin in might, intentionally want to lose and be killed/sacrificed for the sake of those closest to him? That's a very short list.

Banner, like the Hulk, is a warrior.

One can't exist without the other. They've been with each other since the beginning (since Banner was born, as hinted in Peter David's Tempest Fugit) and they'll be together till the end. Just as most came to realize at the finale of Greg Pak's Heart of the Monster, is that Hulk and Banner are the same person. They're the same, yet also different. Hulk is Banner. Banner is Hulk.

Noble. Powerful. Intelligent. Brave. Selfless. Incredible. Indestructible.

SMASH AT THEE!!!!!

Posted by SC

Great blog with lots of detail. The only thing I really disagree with is omitting that Odin is the one that made the enchantment, so that sort of skewers things a bit and adds in a bunch of ambiguity we can't account for. Small detail, great blog either way.

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Posted by GreenScar1990

Great blog post, by the way. It'a about time we Hulk fans educate the masses of Banner and his alter-ego.

Posted by TheAcidSkull

@SC said:

Great blog with lots of detail. The only thing I really disagree with is omitting that Odin is the one that made the enchantment, so that sort of skewers things a bit and adds in a bunch of ambiguity we can't account for. Small detail, great blog either way.

thanks man! really appreciate it!

what do you think about hulk lifting mjolnir? ^_____^

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Posted by SC

@TheAcidSkull said:

what do you think about hulk lifting mjolnir? ^_____^

I actually don't mind - as long as its not anything to do with strength and he doesn't hit Thor with it heh heh. I could think of moments/scenarios I could be okay with Hulk lifting it. To be honest if I could decide who would get to lift it between Hulk, Superman, Thing, Wonder Woman, Rogue, Gambit, Silver Surfer, Batman, Spider-Man, and Sif. Those characters? The honor I would probably give it to Wonder Woman, Sif and some versions of Hulk before any of the others. Only some versions of Hulk though, I actually liked the original World War Hulk outline where it was suggested as a possibility Hulk could lift Mjolnir during the fight against Thor after failing to beat Thor and so Thor would stop the fight and approve of Hulk's actions because by lifting Mjolnir it proved his cause worthy and he would fly away after giving Hulk his blessing. Then Hulk would go on to fight Dr Strange possessed by Zom (and he would have already beaten and broken Sentry earlier) so that sort of situation would have been great for me as a Thor and Hulk fan.

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Posted by GreenScar1990

@SC: Actually in the original outline, Hulk and OF Thor fight to a standstill/draw until Hulk lifts the hammer. Just sayin'. But yeah, that would have been cool if Thor did actually get involved in WWH and decided to stay out of the conflict. A missed opprotunity. Better luck in another storyline.

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@GreenScar1990 said:

@SC: Actually in the original outline, Hulk and OF Thor fight to a standstill/draw until Hulk lifts the hammer. Just sayin'. But yeah, that would have been cool if Thor did actually get involved in WWH and decided to stay out of the conflict. A missed opprotunity. Better luck in another storyline.

I apologize I am not entirely sure what you were clarifying?

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Posted by GreenScar1990

@SC: Just that the fight ended in a standstill and that Thor not getting involved in WWH was a missed chance for an interesting confrontation considering that Thor was quite upset with the heroes and what had transpired in his absence.

Posted by SC

@GreenScar1990 said:

@SC: Just that the fight ended in a standstill and that Thor not getting involved in WWH was a missed chance for an interesting confrontation considering that Thor was quite upset with the heroes and what had transpired in his absence.

Oh okay, so was an issue in wording? I can understand, standstill is one way to say something that could be said a dozen different ways, I chose a different way, not that I disagree with standstill either, I hope you don't mind ^_^ - I am on two minds myself, I would have liked it but I know JMS wanted a strict moratorium on Thor's use outside his book, and eventually other writers and editors made him leave the Thor book and eventually even head to DC. I think I would have preferred a bigger Zom Strange fight and Hulk fighting and beating Sentry earlier in the story. Thor appearing would have been pretty cool, but timing too awkward as well.

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Posted by TheAcidSkull

@SC said:

@TheAcidSkull said:

what do you think about hulk lifting mjolnir? ^_____^

I actually don't mind - as long as its not anything to do with strength and he doesn't hit Thor with it heh heh. I could think of moments/scenarios I could be okay with Hulk lifting it. To be honest if I could decide who would get to lift it between Hulk, Superman, Thing, Wonder Woman, Rogue, Gambit, Silver Surfer, Batman, Spider-Man, and Sif. Those characters? The honor I would probably give it to Wonder Woman, Sif and some versions of Hulk before any of the others. Only some versions of Hulk though, I actually liked the original World War Hulk outline where it was suggested as a possibility Hulk could lift Mjolnir during the fight against Thor after failing to beat Thor and so Thor would stop the fight and approve of Hulk's actions because by lifting Mjolnir it proved his cause worthy and he would fly away after giving Hulk his blessing. Then Hulk would go on to fight Dr Strange possessed by Zom (and he would have already beaten and broken Sentry earlier) so that sort of situation would have been great for me as a Thor and Hulk fan.

That's a pretty interesting interpretation ! And i couln't agree more!

i also personally believe that WWH Should be able to be worthy, but Joe fixit would not even come close! :D

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Posted by YourNeighborhoodComicGeek

Love this. I agree man! Hulk foreveeeeeeeeer!

Posted by TheAcidSkull

Sorry everyone, due to the sitem some changes had been made to the blog. also i'll make a new indestructible Hulk thread, since the old one was ruined.

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Posted by 80sBaby

Nice thread, buddy!

Posted by HaveAtThee

Hasn't it become accepted that the Hulk isn't merely an extension of Banner's rage, that he's his own persona? If that is the case, then a being of pure rage and brute strength isn't worthy for Mjolnir. I don't mean to say this to demean the Hulk or his accomplishments. I actually was a bit discouraged because the first time I've tried to follow Hulk (with Waid's Indestructible) I was waiting to find a coherent, intelligent Hulk but it seems they've gone the route of the movies and reverted him back to Savage Hulk with a few token phrases.

In terms of the worthiness of Mjolnir, I think it should be one of the few "untouchable" weapons of Marvel, and I feel that writers should really illustrate how powerful and dangerous it is given that Thor used to regularly open dimensional portals and such. I also feel that instead of Hulk and Thor constantly slugging it out for no reason other than vanity or pride, they should cooperate more often as teammates.

Posted by TheAcidSkull

Hasn't it become accepted that the Hulk isn't merely an extension of Banner's rage, that he's his own persona? If that is the case, then a being of pure rage and brute strength isn't worthy for Mjolnir. I don't mean to say this to demean the Hulk or his accomplishments. I actually was a bit discouraged because the first time I've tried to follow Hulk (with Waid's Indestructible) I was waiting to find a coherent, intelligent Hulk but it seems they've gone the route of the movies and reverted him back to Savage Hulk with a few token phrases.

In terms of the worthiness of Mjolnir, I think it should be one of the few "untouchable" weapons of Marvel, and I feel that writers should really illustrate how powerful and dangerous it is given that Thor used to regularly open dimensional portals and such. I also feel that instead of Hulk and Thor constantly slugging it out for no reason other than vanity or pride, they should cooperate more often as teammates.

at One time it might have been like that, but that was a long tine ago, hulk has since evolved, he is always misunderstood, when in reality the savage hulk is just as much of a hero as tony stark. That being said, the Savage Hulk should still not be worthy, he is still a savage, and though his heart is in the right place, he isn't THE hero that mjolnir requires. And i agree that I was hoping for a smart hulk as well, i loved him during Greg Paks run, My favorite Hulk So far along with savage hulk. and making him savage again would reduce the character developments, However, when i heard mark waid was on it, i had to pick it up, and so far i''ve loved it. And a smart hulk doesn't always work with everyone, during Paks run and Davids run the Gravage Hulk was awesome but During Jason Aarons run hulk was simply horrible, just terrible( Glad His thor is awesome) . besides Hulk has always been a character which seems to change in accordance to interpretation.

As for your second point, the Worthy thing should stay with Thor. and i'm also tired of the HULK VS THOR! stick, hulk is stronger, thor is more powerful, and the fight should always end in a draw due to the opponents skills balancing each other out :). I hope , even if they fight, hulk and Thor in the end will kick some frost Giant ASS! can't wait for the rest!

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Posted by Crash_Recovery

Doesn't Banner have a huge self-control issue?

Posted by HaveAtThee

at One time it might have been like that, but that was a long tine ago, hulk has since evolved, he is always misunderstood, when in reality the savage hulk is just as much of a hero as tony stark. That being said, the Savage Hulk should still not be worthy, he is still a savage, and though his heart is in the right place, he isn't THE hero that mjolnir requires. And i agree that I was hoping for a smart hulk as well, i loved him during Greg Paks run, My favorite Hulk So far along with savage hulk. and making him savage again would reduce the character developments, However, when i heard mark waid was on it, i had to pick it up, and so far i''ve loved it. And a smart hulk doesn't always work with everyone, during Paks run and Davids run the Gravage Hulk was awesome but During Jason Aarons run hulk was simply horrible, just terrible( Glad His thor is awesome) . besides Hulk has always been a character which seems to change in accordance to interpretation.

As for your second point, the Worthy thing should stay with Thor. and i'm also tired of the HULK VS THOR! stick, hulk is stronger, thor is more powerful, and the fight should always end in a draw due to the opponents skills balancing each other out :). I hope , even if they fight, hulk and Thor in the end will kick some frost Giant ASS! can't wait for the rest!

I mean, even Stan Lee and Kirby knew that there would be much ambiguity and "controversy" over the "Who's Stronger?" or "Who would win?" between the two, and everyone since then has capitalized on that. It's a debate which has been beaten to death and will continue to be, from the looks of things. Every once in a while, it's fun to argue about "Who would win?" but I feel its time they start acting like teammates. I would love some fresh interactions between them both as well. How fun would it be if Banner needed to really blow off some steam, so he contacts Thor, who's more than willing to oblige, by transporting them both to some barren moon where the Hulk can let loose? Or Thor has to lay the smackdown on Ulik and Executioner, so he brings Hulk with him for some added muscle? I would actually be thrilled to see a six-issue mini-series with the both of them in some kind of crazy adventure.

Posted by TheAcidSkull

@haveatthee: Thats actually....a petty awesome idea! i hope Mark waid utilizes that! :D

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Edited by johnkmccubbin91

Although I find it interesting in the story, in general I don't see why Hulk is worthy, as he's not the same type of person as Thor and that's basically what someone needs to be. The way he got a hammer in Fear Itself was more realistic. Just my opinion, and I'm a fan of both characters. Also Hulk shouldn't be able to pick up Mjolnir as it's although he's the strongest that doesn't count for anything with Mjolnir. Still very good blog, and interesting thoughts.

Posted by GreenScar1990

Hopefully the first time Hulk lifts it that we'll see if he's worthy or if it's a strength feat or a combination of the two. If Hulk lifts it a second time, I hope it will be the Green Scar incarnation. That's what I'd like to see. A badass Hulk who came smash and make a snarky remark.

Edited by TheAcidSkull

Hopefully the first time Hulk lifts it that we'll see if he's worthy or if it's a strength feat or a combination of the two. If Hulk lifts it a second time, I hope it will be the Green Scar incarnation. That's what I'd like to see. A badass Hulk who came smash and make a snarky remark.

i'd rather have banner crack the formula though :P

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Edited by gotwillpower

Another feat of honor would be Hulk stopping Mr. Fantastic from killing Tony Stark (World War Hulk, Gladiator Arena). Even when he's mad, he's merciful (to an extent, cause then he kills the true perpetrator behind the madness).