@willpayton said:
Captain Marvel wins. Hulk, as with the rest of the "Hulk vs DC powerhouse" fights, wont be able to touch someone of his speed. Most likely, if Marvel hits Hulk with a single punch at max power, Hulk would get KO'ed. End of fight!
1. Let's get real. When it comes to Hulk's speed.......
Hulk's speed is clearly shown to be many times faster than the speed of sound. Hulk moves at hyper-sonic speeds using jumps.
2. Hulk has battled people just who have hyper-sonic speed as well.
Yes, I know that people can go at light-speed but its rarely done on earth and even then, it's only because they can fly.
Flyers can go light-speed because they are able to maintain their momentum without pushing off the ground.
When it comes to running, once you reach a certain speed the ground has a harder time supporting you. That's why Hulk usually jumps.
3. To the people who say Hulk's battles with hyper-sonic foes don't count and are PIS(Plot Induced Stupidity):
Every time you throw a punch you're using speed.
The speed, which is the rate of motion/travel, will be in proportionate to the amount of force put out.
Hulk's punches travel at super-speeds, even moreso when the Hulk is really using his strength against a foe on his level.
Hulk didn't just fight people who have superhuman speed. He's actually caught them while they are moving at superhuman speeds. Numerous times.
In addition to this, Hulk has caught super-fast objects many times before so it's definitely consistent with the character.
And Marvel has stated numerous times, no matter where you look, that Hulk has superhuman speed.
4. What in the world do they tech you kids in school nowadays?
Superhumans and speed
A. Muscle power is all about the speed of muscle contraction. Muscles put out power by stretching and then rapidly shortening like rubber bands.
Force directly correlates to the rate of motion/speed.
When you throw a punch or a kick, the power of the strike directly correlates to its rate of motion/speed.
Hulk has great power and his body weight is little in comparison to that power, therefore, he has great speed.
Great power = Great speed
Gamma rays travel at he speed of light. Hulk is a gamma-charged monster. He's faster than he looks.
B. As for flight speed.....
No one can travel at lights-peed by running. It can only be done by flying because the ground isn't strong enough.
If you tried going at light-speed on the ground instead of hovering above it, you just find yourself plowing through the ground and stirring up a bunch of dirt instead of going anywhere.
People can go at light-speed but its rarely done on earth(because the real life effects would be disastrous) and even then, it's only because they can fly.
Flyers can go light-speed because they are able to maintain their momentum without pushing off the ground.
When it comes to running, once you reach a certain speed the ground has a harder time supporting you. That's why Hulk usually jumps to travel
5. Super-speed can be displayed in four different ways:
A.Running
B. Jumping
C. Flying
D. Movement of the body's limbs built to push things and absorb impact(arms and legs)
And once again, just because you don't fly or run doesn't mean you have no speed. You don't have to be the stereotypical Superman or Flash-type character to have speed.
Even before Superman could fly, he super-jumped.
You can't have a fair and honest debate if entire argument is based off low-end showings and ignoring all else, specifically, the greater amount of high-end feats that are clearly shown to be more consistent with the character.
Don't act like any other can character has never missed the mark or been tagged by characters who are slower than them. It happens to everyone more often then people want to admit. Hulk is not a special case.
With things like this, It doesn't make a character slow or weak. if writers allowed characters to act according to their abilities 100 percent of the time there wouldn't be as many long and interesting stories to read.
Saying a character is slow and weak, such as Hulk, because other characters like Wolverine and Spider-man radiate jobber aura, is not a valid arguement.
Wolverine and Spider-man gets hits on everyone. Half the people that Superman, the Flash, and any other of the super-fast characters fight are beneath them yet we see that they fail to strike them down and gets tagged by them.
Jobber: Someone who makes someone else look good.
Jobber aura: Jobber aura is emitted by a character who is often the center of the plot or protected by the plot, allowing them to seem more powerful than they ordinarily are, and easily contend with and/or defeat much more powerful foes.
One oft-cited example is the Animated Teen Titans Robin, with feats such as defeating Cinderblock (a huge stone supervillain) with a quick series of blows when the entire team had previously been struggling against him. Of course, this "jobber aura" is only invoked against certain disliked characters. Board favorites are never considered to have a jobber aura.
Examples of severe cases of jobbing:
1) Wolverine owning Thor in a melee fight
2) Spiderman defeating Firelord
3) Captain America knocking out Hulk
4) Black Panther getting Silver Surfer into an armbar and overpowering him.
If you argue based entirely off of low-showing then you should assume that all comic characters are equally slow, weak, and lack any superpowers at all.
Going by such an illogical standard, how can you possibly argue for one characters victory over another?
The answer is..... you CAN'T!
You can't rightly argue a victory for one character over another based enirely on low showings, PIS(Plot Induced Stupididity), and jobber aura. All of which happens to everyone.
Because everyone has these things happen to them, we don't base character power-levels off of them.
And we try to average a characters' showings because a character's most high end feat and low-end feat are usually done due to certain circumstances or conditions that don't happen all time. By averaging we can get a better view of a characters power-level and avoid going to the extreme.
I already gave you the feats Hulk has done when he wasn't under PIS or jobber aura. Ignoring Thor's his good showing is and only acknoolweding his low showings and PIS moments is not how you have a fair and balanced debate.
And as I mentioned earlier, Superman and Superman-level people gets jobbed by less powerful characters all time.
If we go by only the low showings of DC powerhouses, Then we can assume that theit power-level is not any better than the average street-level type characters. The same goes for any comic book character, really.
Street level people have evaded superman-level characters blows, got hits on them, and even beat them up.
Cosmic enitites have jobbed to street levelers. Are you saying they are weak as well? Let's not have a double standard.
If we go by what we see for EVERY comic characters low showings, then we could say none of them are even superpowered.
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