We all love comics...otherwise why would we be here on COMIC vine? However, as you might know comic book universes sometimes crossover into other formats like movies or television. We recently added a new section to the site dedicated to television series. What you might not know is that the first TV series put on CV was Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D..
Recently, a group of users got together as part of CV's Roundtable User Discussions to talk about the first two episodes of AoS and what we thought. Below is a transcript of that discussion. Feel free to voice your own opinions below and also check out our other RT discussions and maybe even join in yourself!
: Of course, I should say this isn't my show...allow me to introduce the actual host of this disscussion....you might know him as Geo or Geeky Goodness or even simply as "Awesome", but I call him @sora_thekey! ("Awesome"? seriously sora? who calls you that? haha This is the last time I copy YOUR introduction)
: *doesn't reply Poet* With me are some of the best critics out there on our lovely site you all know as Comic Vine. Please introduce yourselves!
: Alright, I guess I will start!
Hello fellow Comic Viners! @manneffest present, It's a pleasure to be here for the first time and hopefully not the last. And for a little information for you all; I like long walks on the beach, (non-alchoholic) pina colada, getting caught in the rain... No seriously, I do.
: Welcome MannE... Can I call you MannE?
: Sora, you may call me whatever you want, just don't call me late for dinner! *badam da ting* Lol okay I'm done.
: HEY EVERYON... Is this thing even on? *taps microphone* Hello? Oh for crying out lo- Oh... you guys can hear me? Heh, I'M DERANGED MIDGET GUIZ! Just, you know, ignore everything before that! :)
: Hey peeps! Wildvine here. Many of you know me as Wv. (One of you calls me Alice for some reason). I'm taking a pause from being the Fan Fic cheerleader to ramble about Agents of SHIELD.
: 'ello, govnor! I'm The Poet! (I don't think I officially introduced myself before the fancy banner thing...)
: Welcome everyone. So, we will be focusing on the pilot by covering: first impressions, ways we would improve the show, things we liked and then before we get to the verdict we are going to have a Spoiler Section. Alright, everyone got it?
First, I want to know what you guys thought about the show before you watched the pilot.
: Well let's see, before I saw the show, I really didn't have an opinion, I wasn't planning on watching it. But I had high hopes for Marvel's Agents of Shield. I'm not a big TV guy, however when I rewatched the Avengers (because I freakin love that movie) , I remember saying, "Crap, I have to watch AoS now." Haha I wanted to know what happend!
: Honestly, I was already a pretty big fan of Whedon's work with television; Firefly to be specific and he's already more than proven himself at expertly handling an ensemble team so I was willing to give Agents a shot.
: I admit I was leery at first. I assumed this would be set pre-Avengers since we all saw Agent Coulson in the adverts. So I wasn't sure how it was going to work. I will also admit I am not overly familiar with Mr Wheadon's work. But Avengers was great fun, and I'm an optimist, so I gave it a go.
: I have loved a lot of Joss Whedon's work, so I knew I wanted to check it out. The whole spy thing attracted my attention as well. When I saw Coulson's death I thought it seemed a little forced (and to be honest a little cheesey). Agent Coulson was really more of a flat character I wanted to see expanded, but I don't think he could have supported a movie by himself so a tv series is the next best thing. So I looked forward to seeing it.
: In one short sentence what was your opinion after watching the first episode? Did it change?
: I have three words, "A-MA-ZING". I had high expectations for this show and it met them. I laughed and despite some flaws, it was an incredibly entertaining. Looking forward to next week!
: After seeing the pilot, I was pleasantly amused and enjoyed what the show brought to the universe. It wasn't anything groundbreaking but I thought it showed promise.
: I liked the cleanness of the show. It was fun without the ever popular double entendre jokes. I was also pleasantly surprised that this takes place after Avengers.
: I liked it; not the best show, but it had some charm and some potential (we'll see how it fulfills that potential).
: Alright, without any spoilers (for those of you who for some reason haven't seen the pilot yet), can you talk about some of the things you didn't like?
: One thing I didn't like in particular was that the show was limited in shaping out the characters and the pace kept from actually providing any real reason to become interested in the characters, aside from Coulson.
Sora: I'm actually really interested that you mention this. On my part I was interested in the characters because Coulson was interested in them. There was nothing about them that made me think "Oh I like him/her" but I did think "Coulson wants them there so there must be something that should interest me".
: Now the flaws were apparent, sub par acting is the big one that jumps out at me. Other than Coulson and to a degree Mike Peterson, I really did not enjoy the characters. Hopefully that will change as the show goes on.
: I did have one dislike, but I'll save it for the end.
: I think the cinematography could be better in some places. They had some nice locations and they could have exploited some really cool camera angles. The other characters seem a little flat compared to Coulson; more like stereotypes. They just don't seem unique. I'm not sure why I should care about the other characters yet. But this is just the beginning and they will address at least the latter issue I had with the series soon.
Sora: I have another question for you guys, I'm sure we have tons of really good things to say about the pilot, but were any of you bothered by the fact that in a "super hero show" there was no actual villain? Remember, no spoilers (just to be respectful).
: The lack of an apparent villain was another disappointing thing, I was hoping they could find a way too include Hydra or AIM. Oh well. However, I felt this worked to the shows advantage, as a comic book fan though I was saddened by the fact that there was no "real"" villain. Though I was impressed by what they did, showing villains are not always black and white. No armored wearing Dr. Dooms. Also remember this was the pilot, this could change.
: Not really no because the show clearly gives off the impression that it doesn't revolve around a singular, definitive opponent but one they are completely unaware of and don't really know how to prepare for.
: Not especially. It was pretty cool. We do see hints of some group here which could be a potential inclusion of Hydra or AIM. As MannEffest said, it did feel a little disappointing to not have an apparent villain, but I don't think they could have had a big villain here. It just wouldn't have worked. You have to remember we are coming from the Avengers which had huge obvious villains which destroy cities (or at least part of a city). We can't have some huge villain here because we need to work up to that huge villain in the season finale. And if we had started with something huge where would we go as we got to the end of the season? We need to work small and have harder and harder villains.
Sora: Aside of the camera angles and character development, what would you have improved had you been in the director's chair instead of Wheadon?
: I would not have added much, Joss Whedon did an excellent job aside from those two facts. He did a nice job connecting the cinematic universe with the tv show. And of course, he had his legendary Whedon-y humor, which I felt he balanced nicely, giving us a glimpse of what the tone of the show will be like.
: I think I'd let Cobie Smulders play with her role as Agent Hill a little bit. Hopefully, she'll become a series regular (as it is rumored) in Season 2 after HIMYM ends. I think she could do more with the character (have a little fun).
: Agreed Poet! Some more Cobie Smolders would be a treat! I feel like Whedon could add so much more to the character than what we just had in the Avengers
: Without a doubt the pacing. It seemed kind of inconsistent at times. Sometimes trying to be more personal and focusing on characterization, and at other times ditching that approach for cheeky humour and action.
: I would definitely agree with you @deranged_midget. Hopefully it won't be as rushed in regular episode so they would have space to transition between a cheeky moment to moments of characterization.
: You all seem to not enjoy the new characters that have popped up in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Is there a specific character you could do without?
: Oh god yes, that conspiracy theorist chick was annoying. And no matter how clever her one funny line was, she was just unnecessary.
: I agree with MannEffest. The hacker/conspiracy thing hasn't been cool since X-Files.
: Well, I should say that I enjoy the new characters's potential. The writers focused a lot on Coulson, but most likely it will better as we go along. I don't want to single out a character just yet because we only had less than 44 minutes of these characters and like I said they didn't really focus too much on them (other than enough backstories to know what each character is like).
@manneffest I don't know about Skye (that conspiracy theorist chick played by Chloe Bennet). She reminded me kind of Person of Interest's Root (played by Amy Acker). Both are hackers and are against the protagonist at one point or another, though Skye seems kinder. I think they needed an outsider to show the world of SHIELD whether that was a new agent or someone like Skye. She'll probably be a plot device to show us more about SHIELD, so I would like to respectfully disagree about her importance on this series.
I agree that in time Skye could be a major player in the series, so I'm not doubting that. But I don't know, she just rubbed me the wrong way in the pilot. Although there is potential for her to grow as a character.
: That's been introduced in the show already? It's not that I don't enjoy the characters but that I hope to see more characterization for each one. With the pilot, everything seemed so rush and rather plain in terms of the characters that they never really stuck out individually aside from standard stereotypes as previously mentioned.
Sora: Well, I actually thought you guys had more to complain about. Lets move on to what you did like. Now, I have to admit, I enjoyed this episode. I thought it was cool and witty all at the same time. What about you guys? What good things do you have to say about the show?
: I'd have to agree with you Sora. I had a great time with the episode as it effortlessly captured and replicated the humour that Whedon is well known for and while some parts I could've done without, it generally flowed quite well, especially between the two scientists.
Sora: I know you guys have complained about Skye a lot but in my opinion she was a the little oomph that kicked the humor into high gear. I guess I just wasn't taking her seriously from the start and as we all know humor is very important in a Whedon show.
: As I have said before, I loved it. It hit all the right notes for a pilot! I actually enjoyed the pacing, not too slow or fast. Of course Clark Gregg has the role of Agent Phil Coulson down pat, not surprising considering he has played him on four separate occasions (including an animated TV show that shall not be named). The best thing about the episode was all the little hints Whedon dropped about possible stories the characters have, wither it be about a dark family past, a "rising tide", or where some people, who might not have been on Tahiti, actually were.
: Again, loved the humor of the show. The comedic timing was perfect.
: I would agree it had a good amount of humor. It had action, but it was not overly serious unlike some shows. Even had a lighter tone than the Avengers I think.
Sora: I think this is a good thing so this is why I am mentioning it here: What did you think of the show showing all the futuristic aspects of SHIELD that we've only seen before in comic books? Remember, no spoilers.
: I think it works quite well actually because it adds some further depth to a universe where literal Gods and Monsters walk around and the worlds top secret agency would need something to at least moderately believe they could begin to combat such forces. It also solidifies the notion that they are basically the top dog in regards to world policing.
: Well it depended on the gadget they used, some were just visually awesome, like the hologram for the crime scene, others were just okay, like the car at the end. Ha, I wonder if it's in the budget to do the Helicarrier?!
: I'm not big on tech. Its gotta be there, and it adds flavor, but overall it didn't wow me.
: I think it was pretty good. One of the genres they are trying to capture is the spy genre and you have to have fancy gadgets if you have spies. It's a rule.
Sora: Before we get to the Spoilers Section, what was your absolute favorite thing from this episode?
: I don't know really... I didn't really like anything specifically that outweighed the others factors. I guess seeing Clark Gregg back in action would probably fit the bill considering he brings such a delightful charm and presence to the screen and every scene he's in. But honestly, I loved that the show feels like an extension of the Cinematic Universe that Marvel is trying to build and how this show functions as a behind the scenes look at how "ordinary" people handle the aftermath of such events when heroes like the Avengers are around.
: The Spider-Man reference made me laugh.
: Agent Coulson was pretty entertaining. He was pretty much my favorite thing about the episode.
: "Journey Into Mystery" All I'm going to say. Skye's (only) best scene. I squealed like a fan-boy when I heard that reference. Also her attempt at "With Great Power..." Other than that it was Clark Gregg.
Sora: Well, we'll get to the comic book references in a minute. For now I want to know, since Whedon only directed this first episode but will be a consultant for he rest of show, how do you think this will affect future episodes?
: Really? Aw man I didn't know that. Whedon has a very distinct style, so It's probably going to feel weird not having him in the director's seat, but it's nice he's still a constant presence on the show, it's in good hands. I'm going to use a cheesy slogan now, "I believe in Joss Whedon".
: It's a little sad because I wish Whedon could dedicate himself to fleshing out this cast as they do show promise, but as for the show to succeed, and the Marvel Cinematic Universe by extension, they need to grow independent of Whedon's constant interaction with a large majority of the projects. I think the crew will do a fine job but I guess we won't really know until the rest of the season rolls out.
: Really to soon for me to say. Hopefully they can keep the standard set by the pilot.
: Well, it has potential. Reminds me of Buffy, how he is allowing other people jump on board to tell other stories about characters he gave life to through his directing and so on. I think the show has potential. We'll have to see in later episodes how they handle this potential.
Sora: The people who will take over are Whedon's brother and sister-in-law, who share credits on Dollhouse, Drop Dead Diva, Dr. Horrible's Sing Along Blog, and Spartacus. With that resume and the consulting work of Joss, do you see a bright future (and many seasons) for this show?
: I actually do think this show has a bright future, Jed Whedon was involved in Avengers, and I've heard good things about "Dr. Horrible's Sing Along Blog", which he co-wrote and directed. And Marvel isn't just going to cancel this series after one season (God I hope its not another Firefly incident).
: like I have said, I think this show has potential. It should last for a little bit thanks to the backing of the Avengers and the Cinematic Universe so I'm not afraid about it going on for a bit. If they are consistent and keep the writers focus on what they think makes the show tick then it could be a nice show.
Just as a heads up spoilers are now fair game, if you are reading this and you haven't watched the pilot episode I suggest you jump to the Verdict section.
Sora: Okay, since MannE already brought it up, what did you guys think about the comic book references. "With great power", "Journey into Mystery", "Project Pegasus", a Romanov reference, the potential idea of the introduction of the first LMD in the Marvel Cinematic Universe?
: Yes, yes, YES. This made me just plain happy. With the comic book references, I felt they were small hints that normal viewers would miss, but comic book fans would relish. Well it worked!
: I personally enjoyed the references a lot because I feel like it really connects the universe at large and perhaps opens future doors some high end cameos from some members of the Avengers such as Cap, Widow, Hawkeye or even Nick Fury! I do feel like Coulson may be an LMD and one that seems to be rather unaware of that fact, although we can't be sure. I feel like Hill's interaction with the SHIELD doctor kind of foreshadows it a bit.
: I only caught the "great power" ref. But it made me giggle.
: They were fascinating. I have a different perspective than MannE because I'm not an overly Marvel person (I knew all of the references, but I am not overly into the Marvel Universe...I prefer DC though there are a few series like spider-man and others that I enjoy) so I was not as excited as other people might be. However, I think I would have missed spotting these little references because that's what we're used to seeing in the movies: the little references that only fans of the comics would spot and if we didn't have those it wouldn't feel like it was part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. I won't lie. I peered at my screen when people were running away as if to spot Stan Lee cameoing though I know I wouldn't see him.
Sora: A Stan Lee Cameo would've been awesome!
Oh, I have a weird trivia piece for all of you. All the IDs show on this episode expire on 2015. Avengers: Age of Ultron premieres on 2015. Coincidence?
: Coincidence? I think not! But joking aside, wow, I didn't know that either! This could be something, could not. It's really left to the overactive imaginations of people like us to ponder. So I'm just going to say that Joss Whedon has something planned.
: I hope it doesn't spell bad news for the longevity of the show!
: Coincidence? Most likely not. I do hope they don't already have the series end planned though.
: To quote Kurt Vonnegut in the book of Bokonon (Cat's Cradle), "Busy, busy, busy." The world has such wonderful patterns and connections. Since everything in a show is placed I highly doubt it's not a coincidence.
13. MannE mentioned AIM and HYDRA, but all we got in this episode was the mysterious Project Centipede. Do you guys think that there is a chance for future AIM and/or HYDRA intros? Maybe even the introduction of other organizations like The Hand, SWORD, STRIKE or even HATE? (Which by the way, I still think Nextwave: Agents of HATE should be made into a movie or TV series.)
: I'm not to thrilled with the idea of Project Centipede. They could just of easily made the group AIM instead of creating a whole new group. I mean, Marvel has such a rich background to dig through, not using it would be a mistake. However, this PC could just be a branch of one of the organizations bent on world domination. S.W.O.R.D., that's one I want to see, with Abigail Brand leading them. It would be a nice counter to S.H.I.E.L.D. Also, Joss Whedon did create Brand and S.W.O.R.D. in Astonishing X-Men, I wouldn't be surprised if he brought his babies in for a two-parter.
Sora: Oh that's right, I had forgotten Abigail Brand was Whedon's creation. I wouldn't be surprised if she were to make an appearance since SHIELD is collecting tech from the alien invasion. Maybe SWORD will want to collect it too.
: I definitely feel like AIM and/or Hydra may be introduced eventually as the show continues on. The show does seem to take focus on secrecy and high-end espionage so what better way to combat that other than introducing a counter.
: I'm sure they'll have at least one of the antagonistic spy organizations appear at one time or another.
: I have a Q. Would it really be so bad to have a new nefarious group? It would be great to have the old baddies appear, but something new that proves entertaining could be retrofitted to the comics. (Like Harley was) I say give Centipede a chance. Plus, there's no indication this group isn't really AIM or HYDRA.
Sora: I don't think it is bad to have a new group, but I think the Marvel Comics Universe has enough to pick from that you wouldn't need to make a new one. I mean c'mon: The Howling Comandos, Project Livewire, STRIKE, SWORD, Secret Warriors, ULTIMATUM, HAMMER, HATE, Zodiac, etc.
Lets now get into specifics and speculation. I want to know what you guys think about a few unanswered questions...
: Clone gets my vote. They way he dodged that van door? It looked like super human reflexes to me.
Sora: Thanks for bringing this up. I noticed that, but I directed it to the LMD theory rather than the clone. You guys think that maybe Coulson has super powers?
: I'm going to be honest, I had no idea that was the main theory until you mentioned it. When Maria Hill said, "He can never know the truth.", I was all, "WTF?!" But now, it makes sense. While I would be heartbroken to know our Coulson is really dead, the theory of Phil Coulson being the Vision has really peaked my interest. Another theory is that Coulson never really existed, and is only a series of advanced androids used by S.H.I.E.L.D. As I would love both these plot twists, I really don't know at this point, the Whedon's could have something entirely different planned for us!
: I think there's a lot of speculation circling the introduction of LMD's in the MCU and I think Coulson might definitely be the first example of that, even if he is a prototype of some sort. I try to support that because clearly, if it is true, Coulson is largely unaware and assumes that his SHIELD training and Fury's quickness on the draw kept him alive. There's also a theory that he could end up being Vision but I think that may be a stretch.
: @DM, I really hope he doesn't become Vision. That just doesn't sit with me.
: I feel you there WV, I just tossed it in as a theory that he may be a prototype LMD and one that kind of may break from the standard programming or something. I'd prefer a different origin but anything can happen :P
Sora: With the 2015 introduction of the Scarlet Witch and Ultron it would e interesting for the Vision but I agree with wildvine, Phil should stay Phil.
: A clone seems cliche. I mean it would be cool for them to walk into a room and there are tones of Coulsons glass cases, but I think that has been overused. Whatever they are hiding about his return I hope it is entertaining...
Sora: Agent Ward's Family: What is Grant's family history that this "almost-as-good-as-Black-Widow" agent hides?
: This is a very provoking thought, the way it was implied was that his family has had "issues" with S.H.I.E.L.D. That would make for an interesting story line, say if his parents worked for an opposing force of SHIELD. At this moment though, hard to say.
: Hmm... I would assume that they perhaps used to be on the opposite end of SHIELD's good side, perhaps as agents for another well...agency or perhaps scientists. It's hard to speculate with so little to go on.
: Cash money says his family was into terrorism.
: only time will tell I guess.
Sora: Skye's External Hard Drive: Skye went through a lot of trouble to hide an external hard drive from her van, what's in it?
: Something very important probably! Whedon is notorious for dropping little hints of things to come. She was working with "the Rising Tide", until recruited by Coulson. So could she be a double agent down the road? Lot of pivotal plot points that will hopefully be answered as the show goes on.
Sora: The double agent thing makes me think of Jessica Drew...
: Honestly, I feel like it could be anything she wanted. It seems like for an expert hacker that SHIELD primarily focused on finding for the sole reason that she could do things they couldn't, she was caught far too easily. I feel like there's an end-game that she's not revealing yet, perhaps she could've dug into the SHIELD databases, siphoned off info about Fury or even the Avengers as eventually bargaining chips if she's playing the double agent.
: She did know about Centipede before SHIELD. Who can say what else she knows that they don't?
: It could be the anatomy of the loch ness monster, a file on the factory containing the arc of the covonent, the location of my phone charger that went missing last year...the list could go on and on...
Sora: Project Centipede: What do you think this is?
: First off, Centipede does not sound as threatening as you hope it would (sounds to fluffy), and secondly, they have yet to fully explain what this project is. Is it a mix of Super Solider and Gamma radiation? Or was it just the Extremis virus? It seemed a bit forced and confused. I would like to know what this project is. But I'm sticking with my instincts, this is only a branch of a larger organization. Don't forget, AIM, under Killian, developed Extremis.
: At first, I thought it was going to be AOS's subtle way of introducing the revamped super soldier serum that gave Luke Cage his powers and frankly, I thought Mike was Luke Cage for a while, especially after Skye erased his past and he planned to gain a new life and identity. I feel like Caterpillar may be a mix of various tech with whatever is left over from the Chitauri and perhaps another high-tech agency like AIM or HYDRA is behind it. Or if we were to really get cynical, perhaps something Fury sanctioned himself and kept everyone out of the loop to bring in some more super soldiers like Cap.
: This is a front group distracting from the real villains.
: Being a fan of the author Roald Dahl, I think of The Centipede from James and the Giant Peach so maybe the group is just a bunch of insects which landed in New York after fighting pirates? haha
Sora: Now before we leave the Spoiler Section, what do you think of Lola?
: Haha, Lola. I like the idea of a car that can hover! Who wouldn't? It was a bit cheesy at the end, and the effects weren't all that great, but I enjoyed it.
: Oh man, I loved the subtle nod to the work Tony's father did during First Avenger and it was a nice addition to see that Marvel isn't taking a general "grounded" feel to their universe and expanding upon it with some more flashy, advanced tech!
Sora: It gave me a Get Smart type of vibe.
: It was cute. Been done, and it was kinda expected. But cute.
: even without the ending, I liked the car, but you got to admit that car is sweet. Now, is this vehicle going to be appearing regularly? I'm not sure (if it does I'm sure it'll explode a couple times throughout the show it's a garentee).
Verdict of the Pilot
Sora: So, would you recommend it?
: I would absolutely recommend it. If your one of the thousands of people who saw The Avengers and liked it, you will love this. It's not a great jumping on point for people who have no idea what or who superheroes are, but incredibly entertaining for fans and casual Marvel Cinematic moviegoers.
: Oh absolutely. It won't exactly blow you away but if you enjoyed The Avengers or more specifically, any of Whedon's past work, then you'll definitely have a good time and share a couple of laughs with the pilot!
: Totally recommend it for Marvel fans, and fans of comic cinema in general. Its already better then some of the movies Marvel has produced.
: I'm going to go against the norm and say no. Before any of your try to crucify me let me explain. As of yet, we have only seen the pilot which I love I should say, but it's an introductory episode and the problem about introductory episodes is that you can't tell what a regular episode feels like because the writers are too busy introducing us to the cast of characters. Other than "it's about the agents of SHIELD" I have no way to explain the series because I need reference. Creators always full out all the stops to draw people in (in this case they had CGI for a flying car), but what I am waiting for is the second or third episode (that's when you can tell what the show's going to be like...will they regularly use CGI in later episodes? Are they going to be checking out just superhuman related stuff or are they going to explore unexplained phenomia like X-files/Warehouse 13 kind of thing?). So I'm going to wait.
Sora: I for one, enjoyed it. It follows Avengers but doesn't awe you like a movie would. It still has it's kinks that need some work but this is potentially a good, long-running TV series. I would give it four out of five stars. Do you agree?
: It was a great pilot, kept me entertained all the way through! The Whedons's have done it again, and hopefully continue to do it as this solid series continues down the line. I can tell, despite its bumps, it's going to be an amazing ride, with Clark Gregg leading the way. My overall score for the episode would be a generous 4.5/5. And if we can only do traditional Comic Vine whole stars, 4/5.
: That's the thing though, it feels like a piece of the universe and if you have seen the Avengers, then you'll gladly notice that it flows quite well off of the film and meshes in the characters quite well. The show still has yet to find a concrete pace and a centre-piece to base it's plots off of but it most definitely shows promise. I'd rank it at a very high 4/5!
: Its a fun show that everyone can watch, and one of the better shows I've seen premier in a while. Its going to get better from here, and everyone owes it to themselves to give it a shot. I give it 4/5 stars.
: AoS seems like a nice enertaining show with lots of potential. is it the best show in the world? No, but I think it has potientiial to be something great that might be make me love it. I'm usually busy Tuesdays, but if I was home I honestly would be watching NCIS which comes at the same time (I love mysteries). However, I think it shows promise and with a little time I could grow to love it as much as NCIS. To give it room to grow, I'm going to say 3-3.5 / 5 stars. Nothing against the show, but I think it has potential to be much greater.
Mini Second Episode Discussion
Poet: So fast-forward a week: Sora was abducted by a secret government organization, so I'm finishing this RT up.
Poet (using host voice): Has your opinion of the pilot changed?
: Not really, I still love it! Still a 4/5 for me.
: Not in any critical way no, still had a great time with it!
: Not really. Haven't thought about it to be honest.
Poet: Have you seen the second episode? If not, why? If you have, what did you like/dislike about it? Has the show improved the stuff you didn't like?
: Yes definitely! I wasn't going to miss it for anything! (Okay well there would be a lot of things I would miss it for, but you get the point) However, I did feel a drop in production value in the second episode, which is to be expected. Overall it wasn't an improvement nor a disaster. The characters were still "meh", and the plot enjoyable but predictable. Although that ending!! It was all worth it. I would give it a 3/5, or a 3.5 if you take into account that amazing ending.
: Yes I have actually! I liked the second episode but it felt like it was there just for some extended character integration. It was kind of a side-step to any real progression but it was interesting to see how the characters were so hilariously different and that they eventually brought their separate skills to the table to become a stronger team.
: I missed it actually. I got home late Tuesday. Then I had some stuff going on that I won't bore the readers with. Have not had a chance to catch it online yet, sorry.
Poet: According to Entertainment Weekly, Agents of Shield has taken a "34 percent [drop a week after] last week’s record-setting premiere [which" ... delivered 8.4 million viewers". What would your message be for those thinking of not watching AoS?
: Stay on it! There is so much that can be done, the Marvel Universe is incredibly rich and diverse! Ride out the tough episodes, and enjoy the great ones. I mean, we don't want this to become the next Firefly.
: It'd be a disservice to give up after only two episodes. Plenty of shows have had slower starts but eventually kicked into high gear once they established some things and found their groove.
: I say give it a little more time. Show's like this don't really take off till episode 4 or 5.
Poet: What do you hope to see in future episodes? (Storylines, Story Arcs, Characters, etc.)
: Some of what I wanted was fulfilled by the second episode, so right now I would love Abigail Brand and S.W.O.R.D. that would make a nice foil to SHIELD. Maybe, introduce Carol Danvers or Jessica Drew as an agent? They would make some seriously awesome characters.
: Some more espionage based story-lines, something we won't get on the big screen!
: Future episodes? Other heroes of course! Spider-Woman springs to mind. Black Widow, Machine Man...
Poet: Well, that's all folks! Let's get this thing posted finally! Please exit to your right and don't touch Lola!
: Peace out everybody, hopefully I'm back for more roundtables! And remember, buy your comic books and eat your veggies... Bazinga! You only need to eat your green ones ;)
: It's been good folks but ALAS! I must retreat back to the Midget cave but stay tuned... I'll be back *maniacal laugh*
: Okay peeps and peepers. This was an absolute blast. I look forward to doing it again. Now I'm off to train Pokemon, and kill zombies. Vote for Tedward y'all. Wildvine signing out.
: Since we have been a spy related organization I thought it only fitting to quote a line from James Bond specifically The Spy that Loved Me (not my favorite Bond film, but anyway...) and The Prisoner (my favorite spy-related tv show that isn't Get smart), "Farewell, Mr. Bond. That word has, I must admit, a ring of permanency about it." but in case you escape as we know you will... "Be seeing you."
Poet: and for Sora I thank you for reading our RT. Feel free to post your opinions and if you want join a future RT discussion just let us know! And remember Agents of SHIELD has new episodes this and every Tuesday 8 / 7c on ABC
Batman & Robin #23.1: Two Face / Batman/Superman #3.1 (TIE)
Batman And Robin #23.4 Croc / Justice League of America #7.1: Deadshot / Superman #23.3 H'EL (TIE)
NOTE: Riddler beat Zod 11 to 8pts. Just wanted to note so it doesn't seem like I fixed the result, which if I had done you would be seeing it win categories like Best Indie and others...
Best Indie Comic
Quantum and Woody #3
The Walking Dead #114
Sex Criminals #1 / Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #26 (TIE)
Eternal Warrior #1
Most Underrated Comic of the Month
Quantum & Woody #3
Batman #23.3: Penguin / East of West #6 (TIE)
Action Comics #23.1 / Batman/Superman #3.1 / Batman: The Dark Knight #23.4 Joker's Daughter / Captain Marvel #16 / Invincible 105 / Lazarus #3/ Locke and Key Alpha #1 / Scarlet Spider #22 / Superman #23.4 / The Bunker #2 / The Trial of the Punisher #1 / X-Men Legacy #16 (TIE)
NOTE: I'm already breaking my new thing about not showing titles with only 3pts by showing you the 12-part tie, but I thought you would want to see the underrated results. Not posting 8-part tie for 4th place...
Comic Vine's Male Hero of the Month!
Black Bolt - Infinity #3
Jesus – The Walking Dead #114
Daredevil – Daredevil #31
Alfred - Injustice: Gods Among Us #36 / Archer-Archer and Armstrong #13 / Hulk/Banner - Indestructible Hulk #13 / The Will - Saga #14 / Thor - Thor: God of Thunder #13 / Vision - Avengers A.I. #3 / Zor-El - Action Comics #23.1 Cyborg Superman (TIE)
Emma Frost- Uncanny X-Men #12 / Lara - Batman/Superman #3.1 Doomsday / Alana - Saga #14 / Aphrodite IX- Aphrodite IX #5 / Kitty Pryde- Battle of the Atom Part 1 / Ms. Marvel- Avengers #19 / Rufus Whedon - Locke and Key Alpha #1
Comic Vine's Male Villain of the Month!
Riddler - Batman #23.2 Riddler
Anton Arcane - Swamp Thing #23.1 - Anton Arcane
Ultraman - Forever Evil #1
Malekith the Accursed – Thor: God of Thunder #13 / Count Vertigo - Green Arrow #23.1 - Count Vertigo / Zod- Action Comics #23.2 (TIE)
Interesting trivia for ya: Zod techically won with most points (12pts) but since I've been told that I shouldn't combine appearences in one month for one character (in this case Zod had pts from Action Comics 23.1, 23.2 and 23.4 in addition to Batman/Superman #3.1). Thus, Riddler won with 11 compared to Arcane's 8 pts.
Dodge - Locke and Key Alpha #1 / Joker's Daughter - Batman: The Dark Knight #23.4 Joker's Daughter / Killer Croc - Batman And Robin #23.4 Killer Croc / Lex Luthor --- Forever Evil #1 / Negan – The Walking Dead #114 / The Rogues - The Flash #23.3 / Two-Face - Batman and Robin #23.1 / Zod - Action Comics #23.4 (TIE with 3pts)
Feel free to suggest a topic for next month's Wild Card otherwise I get to choose and you might get something like this where my favorite somehow wins haha...this contest is not rigged haha I have numbers I can prove it :P
Comic Vine's Best Comic of The Month!
Forever Evil #1 with 19 points
Green Arrow #23.1 with 15 points
Lock & Key Alpha #1 with 12 points
Sex Criminals #1 with 11 points
Batman #23.2 Riddler / Batman and Robin #23.4 / Batman: The Dark Knight #23.4 Joker's Daughter / Indestructible Hulk #13 / New Avengers #10 / Saga #14 / Uncanny X-Men #12 all with 9 pts
I'd like to note that none of the top 4 results won 1st place in any of the categories. I don't think that's happened before.
So a while back, we did some interviews with writers of the Fan-Fiction section done by myself, CapFanboy and one by Project_Worm. I have decided to continue these interviews and first up is @spideyivydaredevilfan26!
Poet: Before I could even push "Compose" to send a pm I got a message titled "Hi! Interview..." which tells you exactly how excited SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26 was for this interview!
SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26: Heard you wanted to interview me...Can we get started?
Alright! I was just about to message you. saves me work :D
What would you say first drew you to Comic Vine? How did you find this site?
I was honestly just searching battle ideas like Jason v.s Predator. I saw that Battles were only one of the forum topics here, and I did a little exploring. Read a few Fan-Fics (This site was actually my first introduction to fan-fiction), as well as some other nice little threads, and decided to make an account.
So, how did you go from reading fan fiction to actually participating (to be among the top posters in this section of the site)?
I guess it's kind of a mixture of jealousy and a drive to get my stories out into the world. I feel lots of users have become legendary on this site for fan-fics, and I wanted to really be a part of the club. Whenever I'm watching TV or film, if an idea is really good, or sometimes really bad, I'll sit back and just think. "Wow...I really wish I could work on something like this." Fan-fic is an outlet to really fulfill that desire without an enormous budget.
What would you say is a story you are most proud of?
I feel like My The Wolf-Man screenplay for HORROR INC. would definitely be the project I'm most proud of. It's the one with the most positive responses, it's the one I worked the hardest on and it's the one that when I read I feel there's the fewest flaws. The only real rips I got were that it was...Well, a screenplay. That was a sacrifice that I was willing to take, and if that is the biggest flaw of it, I really feel successful.
Why did you decide to write a screen play when you did Wolfman?
After watching the remake and original. Both are some of my all-time favorite movies, and I always wondered if they could be even better. So, I started off with a simple fan-cast, and that developed into the idea for a screenplay. Horror Inc gave me the opportunity to work on the project, and I grabbed it right away. Been considering doing other screenplay's as well. I really hated the Ghost Rider movie, so I may do my own screenplay of that. Remaking the 1959 Mummy has also been another idea. Also been considering doing an original found footage screenplay involving mischievous teens and terrifying werewolves, but for now it's just an idea. God, I have so many ideas spinning in my head it would take a while to go through them all. I think the fans will be responsible for helping me find out which one I will actually get started on.
What do you think is your biggest challenge as a writer? and, on the other side of the spectrum I want to follow up with, what is your biggest joy as a writer?
I think my biggest challenge is appealing to an audience who may not have the same taste. I take inspiration from lots of work that other people may not really like or even despise. So generally, I try to advertise my work to people with similar taste to avoid bashing. My greatest joy is writing something that people remember. My all-time favorite comment was a comment from @bumpyboo, one of the best users to stumble upon CV, who said that she "filled up" reading the end to my story and that it was "vivid and beautiful". I swear, I almost cried tears of joy. Nothing feels better than creating something that resonates with people, and it truly is an honor to have the will it takes to write these.
We have a little tradition going in these interviews to ask one question: Why should other people visit, comment or possibly even write in the Fan-Fic section? You mentioned that one of the reasons why you created your CV account was reading stuff in this section, so why is this section important? why should people come to this section?
I believe it's important because it allows fans to live out the scenarios they never got to see in a comic book, or a film, or a book. Psycho and Doomhound probably aren't gonna be big DC Characters 10 years from now. Elijah Wood will probably never be cast as Lawrence Talbot. Spider-Man will probably never team up with Poison Ivy. But in the world of Fan-Fic, none of that matters. I think a really great fan Fic can really bring hope to a fan community by proving there is still creativity out there, and that is why this section is so i portent to the site.
In your Wolfman script and in your other stories, what would you say is the character or characters you had the most fun to write?
Oh that's impossible to pick. I'd probably say that the relationship of Gwen and Lawrence was really fun to write in The Wolf-Man, but choosing what my favorite character was all-together is tough. Psycho's very fun to write, but was also pretty hard to write as well, and sometimes I would get a little lazy with him. Working on improving that. Doomhound was REALLY fun to write, if any of my characters were ever to make it into a DC Animated Series, Doomhound would be the one. So probably the pairing of Gwen and Lawrence or Doomhound.
Out of sheer curiosity, who was yours? To read, I mean?
I think I'd pick Gwen Conliffe. Of everyone, I think she gets the most emotion put into her lines (that makes sense given what she has to go through in that particular story).
What is something you think people should take away your stories? If you could place an idea or concept into the minds of your readers what would inspire them to do/think?
I think all of my stories basically tell the story of people with tortured pasts or unfortunate origins, but it is our actions that can separate ourselves from the evil and the cruelty around us. Whether that's Doomhound separating himself from his origins and curse by using it to help people and by turning on Sinestro, or Lawrence by confronting his father and being a good person, nobody is beyond redemption. A lot of my stories are meant to be packed with larger themes, almost all of them, but that is the consistent one that has made it into everyone of my works.
What are you writing currently? What is your latest work?
I'm working on a DC/Marvel crossover called Gotham City 21. Basically, a cosmic collision brings the DC and Marvel Universes together. A four way alliance of Scarecrow, Lex Luthor, Dr Doom and Kingpin take advantage of this and create an all-powerful regime that dominates the world and kills most heroes. A team consisting of some (but not all) of the surviving heroes including but not limited to Spider-Man, Ghost Rider and Captain America as well as reformed villains like but not limited to Poison Ivy/Harley Quinn, Gorilla Grodd and Bane form a resistance/team called the Gotham City 21. I've gotten great feedback so far, which is really reassuring. The projects been in development hell for a while. Partly because it was so long and partly because I just didn't have the talent before. I think after writing my Wolf-Man screenplay I'm ready to take on this project.
I want to steer the subject away from Fan-Fiction so we can talk about comics. What kind of comics do you like to read/have read? Have any absolute favorites?
I really love villain change of heart stories, as long as they make sense. Whether it's Gotham City Sirens/Amazonian Rainforest for Poison Ivy or Secret Six/Suicide Squad for Bane, or Lethal Protector for Venom. These allow us to see that these universes aren't black and white, making well developed characters even more developed. My faves would probably be Lethal Protector, Gotham City Sirens and The Other. As for my least favorite..Well, I think this little review explains it all. Still not sure what Joygirl would think of it haha. :)
Why did you pick the user name SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26?
Oh yeah, I definitely regret picking that name haha. 26 was always my favorite number. I made my account at a time where one of my favorite athletes was Clinton Portis, who wore the number 26. And, as most know, Spider-Man/Poison Ivy and Daredevil are some of my fave characters. Well, I actually like Venom a lot more than Daredevil now which makes things kind of awkward. :)
Two more questions: Is there anything you want to share that readers should know about you? and finally, if you could have any superpower, what you have and what would you do with it?
Well, umm....I'm a huge fan of the Star Wars prequels, that's pretty unique for the internet haha. If I could have any superpower it would be enhances Doomsday like endurance/durability or a Sinestro Corps Rong. And naturally, I'd probably be a superhero. If you've ever seen ponceman's Hey Bro Am I A Superhero? Video on YouTube that pretty much sums up what I'd be like with superpowers. Now if you excuse me, I have to fight some trolls who hate me because I like the prequels...TO BATTLE MY MEN!!
While SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26 battles trolls, I would like take the time to thank him for his patience and for taking the time to talk with me.
Stay tuned! We have more Fic'r Interviews comings up!
Welcome to the Best of the Month poll -- which normally is released the last Wednesday of the month, but we'll go with last Thursday of the month because someone forgot what day it was haha-- the chance for you to voice your opinion on what is the best in the world of comics!
Each vote ranking is worth different points (1st place = 3pts, 2nd place = 2pts, 3rd place = 1 pt) and the top 5 of each category will be declared The Best of The Month!
PLEASE stay with the below guidelines. Voting is ONLY for comics published THIS month (meaning September 2013)
Voting Ends: October 4th, 2013 4pm EST
Until this thread is locked you can post or edit your votes. If you have any questions, feel free to ask! :)
G.I. Joe #7 / Lazarus #3 / Miss Fury 5 / Steed and Mrs. Peel #11 / Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles #25 / The Private Eye: An Inside Look At the Creation of the Digital Comic #1 (tie)
Most Underrated Comic of the Month
We've got an interesting circumstance this month: there is no clear winner of this category. Everyone's votes for this category were different so below I am listing everyone's 1st place choices (which all received 3 points). Please note: I am showing Green Arrow #23's cover because it is the only title in this category which in addition to a 2nd place choice was also chose as someone's 3rd place (thus giving GA a total of 3 pts).
Breath of Bones: A Tale of the Golem #3
Captain Marvel #15
Green Arrow #23
Quantum and Woody #2
Scarlet Spider #21
Steed and Mrs. Peel #11
Wolverine and the X-Men #35
So, like I said, no clear winner, but Green Arrow is our unofficial winner since it had more than one voter supporting it. This is why I love this poll. Never know what to expect :)
Comic Vine's Male Hero of the Month!
Batman - Batman #23
Flash - Flash #23
Daredevil - Daredevil #30
[contact me to see the 8-way tie]
Comic Vine's Female Hero of the Month!
Wonder Woman - Justice League #23
Wonder Woman - Batman/Superman #3
Wonder Woman - Wonder Woman #23
Batwoman - Batwoman #23
I honestly love this result. In case you were wondering: WW didn't place for her appearence in Justice League of America #23 or Justice League Dark #23
Comic Vine's Male Villain of the Month!
The Outsider - Justice League #23
Riddler - Batman #23
Reverse Flash - Flash #23
Brother Blood - Animal Man #23 / Hobgoblin - Superior Spider-man #15 / Hordak - He-Man Masters of the Universe #5 / Red Hood - Batman #23 (tie)
I can't help but say...The butler did it! he won :)
Comic Vine's Female Villain of the Month!
Atomica - Justice League #23
Trickster - Batman/Superman #3
Superwoman - Justice League #23
Adora - He-Man Masters of the Universe #5 / Superia - Avengers #17
Comic Vine’s Wild Card: Best Dressed / Most Fashionable Character of the Month!
Of course I won this category, but since I am not a character I must bow out and give it to...
Superwoman - Justice League #23
Grim Reaper - Uncanny Avengers #11 / Miss Fury - Miss Fury 5 / Peter Immelmann - The Private Eye: An Inside Look At the Creation of the Digital Comic #1 / Wonder Woman - Batman/Superman #3 / Woody - Quantum and Woody #2 (tie)
Voters will decide next month's Wild Card category.
Comic Vine's Best Comic of The Month!
Batwoman #23 / Justice League #23 both with 21 points (TIE though I should say JL is the unoffical winner with 2 comic related wins compared to BW's 1 comic related wins)
Green Arrow #23 with 20 points / Trillium #1 with 20 points
Batman #23 with 18 points / Flash #23 with 18 points
Since 2011, Comic Vine has had these things called "Roundtable Discussions" which are basically mini discussions between a group of the community on a specific topic such as Batman, Marvel Now! or any range of topics. These discussions (in pm form) are compiled and posted for users like your selves's reading pleasure to spawn addition discussions.
There have been over 40 Roundtable hosted by RT creator sora_thekey (who is still our fearless leader) as well as Xerox-Kitty(who we hope returns sometime soon), and RazzaTazz with a wonderful insightful ensemble of participants. Today, we strive to continue to bring bring CV users together in a unique form to spend time discussing topics which interest them and perhaps interest you the reader.
"Willkommen, bienvenue, welcome! Fremde, etranger, stranger. Gluklich zu sehen, je suis enchante, Happy to see you, bleibe, reste, stay."
I'm really not sure why, but I kind of felt like quoting the first lines from the musical Cabaret. Anyway, welcome to the Best of the Month, the poll where you can voice your opinions on what is the best in the world of comics!
This month, like past months, each vote ranking is worth different points (1st place = 3pts, 2nd place = 2pts, 3rd place = 1 pt) and the top 5 of each category will be declared The Best of The Month!
PLEASE Read stay with the below guideline. Voting is ONLY for comics published THIS month (meaning August 2013)
Voting Ends: Sept 6th, 2013
Until this thread is locked you can post or edit your votes. If you have any questions, feel free to ask! :)
Wild Card: Best Dressed Character / Most Fashionable Character of the Month
-Note: this category changes every month. If you want to suggest a category for next month please post your ideas in the results thread! (starting next month poet will leaving this category to be chosen by a portion of the voters though that's what he thought he'd do this month but stuff happened...)
Kitty Pryde - X-men #3 / Supergirl - Supergirl #22 / Teela - He-Man Masters of the Universe #4
Comic Vine's Male Villain of the Month!
Secret Society Leader - Justice League Dark #22
Riddler - Batman #22
Larfleeze - GL #22
Count Vertigo - Green Arrow #22 / Galactus - Hunger #1 / Master Darque - Shadowman #8 / Negan - Walking Dead #112 / Penguin - Catwoman #22 / Relic - Green Lantern New Guardians #22 / Reverse Flash - The Flash #22 / The Magnitron(Yon-Rogg) - Captain Marvel #14
Comic Vine's Female Villain of the Month!
Mystique - All new X-men #14
Superia - Avengers #16
Madame Masque - Hawkeye Annual #1
Anchoress - Batman Annual #2 / Alura - He-Man Masters of the Universe #4 / Anansa (The Spider Queen) - Animal Man Annual #2
Comic Vine’s Wild Card: Best Supporting Character of the Month!
The Question - Justice League of America #6
John Constantine - Swamp Thing #22
Barney Barton - Hawkeye #12
Iris West - The Flash #22
Carrol Ferris - Green Lantern New Guardians #22 / Jacob Kane - Batwoman #22 / Maria Hill - Indestructible Hulk #11 / Shado - Green Arrow #22 / The Tommorow man - Indestructible Hulk #11 / TinderBox - Catwoman #22 / Wonder woman - Batman/Superman #2
Next month's wild card will be nominated by those who voted for the winner of this month's category.
Comic Vine's Best Comic of The Month!
Flash #22 with 37 Points (and two 1st place wins)
Justice League #22 with 27 Points (and two 1st place wins_