CVnU: Its not Us vs You

A lot of angst and disappointment have been expressed concerning the formation of a rebooted universe. And without an actual thread for users to openly voice that concern the gap between the disenfranchised and those wanting to participate have grown which does not, and will not, benefit anyone. So if you bare with me I'd first like to share some things that I think are important pertaining to the CVnU as well as giving users a place to ask "some" questions as well as moderately voice their opinions.

I'll start by saying this, I can promise those of who worrying about the effect it will have on your character that, it will have no more effect then an Rpg you've decided not to participate in. I understand that the word Reboot (for whatever reason) stirs up some heated emotions as users immediately think the stories, canon, and history, they've worked hard to create will be lost. But I can assure you, they will not. Instead of calling or thinking of it as a reboot, think of it instead as an Alternate Universe Rpg. Cause thats pretty much what it is, an expansive Rpg set in a different universe. If no one had mentioned the word reboot, if no one had said anything about an Alternate U, if someone had just one day created an Rpg set in a different Universe with specific rules in the OP, no one would have said anything. Lets be honest, people would have gone into the Ooc and said, "Looks awesome" and "Good Luck." But once that evil Word got dropped (Reboot), panic set in.

Another concern may be that those wanting to participate in the Alternate U rpg will abandoned their main accounts and that will indirectly effect other people. A valid concern but an unnecessary one. No one is going to wipe out their main accounts just as no one is leaving or turning their backs on those who continue to rp exclusively with their main account. Rpgs for both Universes can, and still will, be coordinated through Pms and thread conversations. People are still going to interact in the threads, Rp in the main U, reply to users and comments that strike their interest, bullsh!t for hours on end in Rpg threads with off-topic banter. Its not going to change.

I'd like to give you an example. I recently made a "Walking Dead" rpg. Technically, is that not an Alternate Reality Rpg? Its here on the Vine but its a World/Universe all its own. There's no canon connection, no pre-exesting history, no powers. Some people joined, some didnt, some made new accounts, some didnt. But everyone involved is still active in the main U. Its the same principle.

The goal here isnt to divide, it isnt suppose to be a "Use against Them." The entire notion of "well you support the CVnU I'm disappointed" is lost on me. I dont get that. Its suppose to be an outlet, an option. A Universe (all be it an expansive one) set aside for people who want to build a U from the ground up. Everyone here makes Alts (or at least most of us). Why? Cause an alt allows for something new, a new direction, a new way of writing, new ways to interact. The CVnU is only expanding on that same principle only now its the Universe that is an Alt. New places, new rules, new everything.

Users can even look at the new set of guidelines that will hopefully be incorporated in the CVnU and decide if those would also work for the main U. "Oh hey, thats a good idea I think I'll use that in my next Rp." The important thing is that nothing is forced on those who wanted to keep their canon and history. We thought that was the major complaint.

"We dont want a Reboot." okay, we'll create a separate Universe rpg for those who do "No no we dont want you to do that either."

Can you see how that would be discouraging?

Like I said, I get it, canon and history are important. You dont have to tell me about the work you put into your character I know all about it. Which is why the idea that those who support the CVnU are simply abandoning their canon doesnt make alot of sense. It will still be here, your canon will still be here, they'll still be here.

You yourselves could start some dialog about how to change things in the main U that are perceived as problems. You can even ask the same people who participate in the CVnU for help, input, concerns, ideas, etc. Theres no reason why there has to be a real life line drawn between users on the Vine just because there is a fictitious one between fake Universes.

For anybody who actually read this, if you have some questions or just want to post an opinion feel free. Questions about the CVnU sadly will be limited as it is still in the early stages.

;)

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Posted by _Cain_

Ehhhh, I'm still on shaky ground...

Can someone please explain to me the big differences between the two universes?

Posted by Kratesis

Very well said.

Posted by Kratesis

@shadowknight666 said:

Ehhhh, I'm still on shaky ground...

Can someone please explain to me the big differences between the two universes?

We're still ironing out the exact details.

Posted by The_MVPs

@shadowknight666:

The Main U has established Empires, relationships, history, teams, characters.

CVnU has nothing as far as canon goes. The World is in one piece, no Empires, no history, no canon. Its a clean slate to build with.

Think of it as, the Main U are your legos that you've been building with for years. You're adding pieces to something thats already constructed. The CVnU are your legos still in the box lol

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Posted by Marksman

@Gambler said:

@shadowknight666:

The Main U has established Empires, relationships, history, teams, characters.

CVnU has nothing as far as canon goes. The World is in one piece, no Empires, no history, no canon. Its a clean slate to build with.

Think of it as, the Main U are your legos that you've been building with for years. You're adding pieces to something thats already constructed. The CVnU are your legos still in the box lol

Superb analogy Gambler

Posted by The_MVPs

@Marksman: lol cant lie, I chuckled

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Posted by _Cain_

@Gambler: 0_0

Alright Nu, Looks like something I may have to forgo. If there ever was a reboot, The ONLY Reason why I might actually not jump ship off to Last World, Is that it wouldn't be an entirely clean slate.

Posted by Tellumo

So it's the ultimate universe?

Posted by _Cain_

@Tellumo said:

So it's the ultimate universe?

LMAO...From What I understand It's an attempt at Ult. Universe 2.0 XD, Just without as many major changes

Edited by Marksman

@Gambler: But that means we have unlimited Legos....

Posted by The_MVPs

@shadowknight666: Which is cool, you dont have to join. Everybody doesnt join the same Rpgs, this will be no different.

@Tellumo: Basically. I like to think of it more as a New Universe but its pretty much the same thing. Whatever its called is just a label. Its an option is what it really is.

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Posted by The_MVPs

@Marksman: You should probably edit out the F'Bombs :P

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Posted by _Cain_

@Gambler: True, My only fear right now is that eventually everyone else important to my characters canon move away to the Nu, And so I have two options. Move to the NU, Or leave XD

Posted by Marksman

@Gambler: Better?

Posted by The_MVPs

@shadowknight666: I tried to address that concern above. But to be honest, all of the "active" rpgers are important which is why I'm confident no one will simply abandon the main U altogether. The minute someone makes an interesting location thread or Rpg you know it'll draw attention regardless of who participates in the CVnU. It'll be like everything else, in the beginning the CVnU will captivate alot of attention from those heavily invested in it. But like team and location threads, there will be times when the Main U is more entertaining and days when it is not. Some days the LaS has alot of activity and sometimes it goes days without a single post. Sometimes Iberia is hopping and some days its on the second page. The rpg forum is and always has been a swinging pendulum :)

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Posted by The_MVPs

@Marksman: Ha! yeah thats works

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Posted by _Cain_

@Gambler: I See your point, But I'm going to stay out of it until I see fit.

Posted by _Psy_

All my characters stayed the same regardless of the universe, so it's stopped bothering me.
 
Though it doesn't make much sense in terms of cannon I couldn't care either way, though I know some who probably will.

Posted by Tellumo

@Gambler: I like it, maybe there's an african-american-puerto rican Tellumo, maybe...

Posted by Spross

I think I understand. But I haven't really done anything yet.

Edited by _Splits_

I'm immune.

Posted by Marksman

Everyone just do what I do: Put your characters in both universes

Problem solved

Posted by EdwardWindsor
@Gambler It's kindda crazy that you had to even make this really. It's down to choice to be in it or not, if people don't like it they should leave it alone.
Posted by Kratesis

@EdwardWindsor said:

@Gambler It's kindda crazy that you had to even make this really. It's down to choice to be in it or not, if people don't like it they should leave it alone.

No joke. I've never seen a RPG get so much hate before.

Posted by The_MVPs

@Spross said:

I think I understand. But I haven't really done anything yet.

If I may I'd like to use you as an example then. Although details are still being ironed out, I'm fairly certain the transfer of characters to an extent is acceptable. What I mean by that (and heres where I'll use you as an example), is you do not necessarily have to create a new account and re-write a bio/origin (there are exception however but I'll address those when needed). Spross' character is fairly. As such, her bio is contains no connection to the Main CV U. You can check out what I mean Here. As such, Spross could use this character in the CVnU/transfer her over. But, any interactions she previously had in the CVU would not transfer over. Likewise, in the CVnU, any interactions and canon she creates would not carry over to the CVU.

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Posted by Spross

I'm a good example.

Posted by EdwardWindsor
@Kratesis People fear change, when it should be embraced a change less vine is a boring vine. I for one will support this new approach wholeheartedly.

As G said it's not an us vs them thing. It's simply if you would like you can do this if you don't stay with what you enjoy. People have no grounds to complain it's not being forced on anyone
Edited by _Grifter_

People have a tendency to overreact when it comes to any form of change, it's just human nature. In a week or two....maybe three all the hate should be gone.

Posted by Kratesis

@EdwardWindsor: Yeah exactly.

Posted by EdwardWindsor
@Kratesis Anyways as Grifter said people will get their panties in a bunch for a few weeks then it will be fine.
Posted by Kiara_Sullivan

To be fair its kinda my fault I did say reboot quite alot and even said I was rebooting Kiara for it Which I am. There is no doubt about that. So I apologize for any confusion I caused.

Posted by The_MVPs

@EdwardWindsor: @Kratesis: @Grift3r: I think once the message is received that people arent necessarily abandoning everything, and one, associated with CVnU the majority of their fear will dissipate. It looked anyway, as if most people who were angry or upset felt as ShadowKnight did and that people important to various aspects of wide spread canon were simply turning their back on them. Which isnt the case.

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Posted by The_MVPs

@Kiara_Sullivan: No need to apologize we were all calling it a Reboot. Thats just a bad word in the comicbook arena for most people I guess :P

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Posted by Kiara_Sullivan

@Gambler: Chickens the lot of them :P

Posted by Mercy_

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Posted by Shanana

LMAO we need our CV president to draw up a Bill of Rights or something?

Posted by _Splits_

Multiversal uniqueness is a beautiful thing.

Posted by Shanana

@EdwardWindsor said:

@Gambler It's kindda crazy that you had to even make this really. It's down to choice to be in it or not, if people don't like it they should leave it alone.

I love you lol.

I was going to take the usual b!tch way, but as long as someone like you stated it, I don't have too lol

Posted by Feral Nova

people freaking out over nothing

anyways, good post Gambler :D

Posted by Duchess

Alternate universes make things too complicated in my opinion. We just need to clean up the one we have.

Posted by Lord_Johnathan

@EdwardWindsor said:

@Kratesis People fear change, when it should be embraced a change less vine is a boring vine. I for one will support this new approach wholeheartedly. As G said it's not an us vs them thing. It's simply if you would like you can do this if you don't stay with what you enjoy. People have no grounds to complain it's not being forced on anyone

SKRULL! SKRULL! Lazy's a skrull!

Posted by The_MVPs

@Duchess said:

Alternate universes make things too complicated in my opinion. We just need to clean up the one we have.

I was hoping you'd bring Enchantress over :)

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Posted by Duchess

@Gambler said:

@Duchess said:

Alternate universes make things too complicated in my opinion. We just need to clean up the one we have.

I was hoping you'd bring Enchantress over :)

We'll see what happens ;)

Posted by The_MVPs

@Duchess said:

@Gambler said:

@Duchess said:

Alternate universes make things too complicated in my opinion. We just need to clean up the one we have.

I was hoping you'd bring Enchantress over :)

We'll see what happens ;)

Works for me.

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Posted by Abattoir

@Gambler said:

@shadowknight666:

The Main U has established Empires, relationships, history, teams, characters.

CVnU has nothing as far as canon goes. The World is in one piece, no Empires, no history, no canon. Its a clean slate to build with.

Think of it as, the Main U are your legos that you've been building with for years. You're adding pieces to something thats already constructed. The CVnU are your legos still in the box lol

ROFLMAO

Posted by _Splits_

Seems no one is going to challenge me. Yipee

Posted by Abattoir

@_Splits_: ?

Posted by Mirabel

I feel like creating a hilariously inept Cobra Commander style Villain whose entire purpose is to fail at everything he does spectacularly just for the CVnU. We need more light hearted humor and generally ineffectual characters.

Posted by _Splits_
@Abattoir: Jelly?
Posted by Abattoir

@Mirabel: Like a deadpool leading a bunch of of cloned hydra bobs