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@pooty: We know the supreme being is invulnerable because he is omnipotent. Being that he is omnipotent, you can complete the sentence "TOAA is x" with anything and the statement would be correct. So in this case, "TOAA is absolutely invulnerable." When did the writer speak about Hancock's powers, was this on the DVD? I haven't seen many of the interviews. Anyway, I'm going to have to change my previous answer of the Avengers winning and agree with you. I can't think of anything that suggests the Avengers could harm Hancock, except for possibly Hulk stopping the Space Whale in its tracks. But Hancock's speed should be enough to handle him.

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@pooty said:

@The Man of Yesteryear:

1) Can you prove someone has superhuman durability?

2) Can you prove someone is invulnerable? If so, How?

I say you can't prove true invulnerability. You can only prove someone is NOT invulnerable. Now if you figure out how to prove true invulnerability then I would change my view. Until you do that, true invulnerability can not be proven. Only suggested.

1. Yes

2. Yes. Actually, no one is completely invulnerable except for TOAA. Even the Juggernaut, commonly coveted to have this true invulnerability, does not. A power greater than Cyttorak will harm him. Every character except for the supreme being has limits. Now apply this to Hancock, just like none of the X-Men, Avengers, etc. can harm Juggernaut, it appears that no one on Earth can harm Hancock except for his ex-wife. We know this isn't true (for Juggernaut). Now, instead of it being someone like Galactus harming Juggernaut apply the same idea using a black hole or the center of a star harming Hancock. We don't know what will happen. It's illogical to say that just because someone hasn't shown any struggle is infinitely strong, fast, etc. Especially in Hancock's case as alcohol, fatigue, and many other influences were shown to have physical effects on him, and the fact that his ex-wife will always be a certain distance away from him albeit very far.

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@pooty said:

@Shawnbaby: As for the baby example...i was using it to say that just because i have never seen the baby get hurt...it doesn't mean that i can suggest that the baby is somehow impervious to physical harm.

That baby did nothing out of the ordinary. It should not have been hurt. Now if that baby fell out of a 10 story window. Got shot multiple times with no injury. had a cement truck smashed on top of it. and stopped a full cargo train in it's tracks with no injury.

1) would that PROVE it had super human durability?

2) would it SUGGEST that it was invulnerable?

1. Yes.

2. No. I just don't see how it is logical to take a few of Hancock's feats, and from them extrapolate his durability to infinity. His maximum threshold may be very high, but it's unreasonable to think that he is absolutely invulnerable. Look at it this way, there is nothing an ant can do to scratch diamond, so from an ant's point of view diamond is unbreakable but we know this isn't true.

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@TheSwordsman said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@TheSwordsman: In any case, Whether or not Hancock flew to the moon on his own steam or not is irrelevant. Escape Velocity is a matter of physics and both Comics and Movies tend to ignore physics consistently.

I actually used escape velocity to quantify his top speed feat. Everything involving motion and movement and action is a matter of physics so we either ignore every feat by anyone, or we use feats that can more or less establish a range. For example, when we see someone, say, throw a 30-40 to n gray whale, we can surmise that their strength is at least in the 40 ton range. Hancock flying to the moon on his own is quite relevant. Only a troll would suggest that he did not (I am not referring to you per se)

I saw another user do some calculations for the whale throwing feat and he came up with a 30,000+ tonne bench press for Hancock. I'll try to find the thread.

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@TheSwordsman: You are right.