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#1 Posted by the human Juggernaut (7224 posts) - - Show Bio

@chiq said:

So what happens to Cain now that Colossus has his power for the forseeable future? Will they eventually share it? Will we see two Avatars of Cyttorak?

he won't

#2 Posted by the human Juggernaut (7224 posts) - - Show Bio

no one wins because neither has the means to kill/ko the other.

#3 Posted by the human Juggernaut (7224 posts) - - Show Bio

@Lance Bastro said:

@chiq said:

This latest debate of Colossus vs Juggernaut had me thinking since it is now confirmed that Colossus has the full power of Cytorrak.

Feats: Classic Juggs has tons of feats Current Colossus just has 1( his battle with Kuurth)

winner: Classic Juggs

Logic: They both are tapping into the same power source and have the same amount of Cytorrak's juice flowing through them. So assuming they are both fully powered:

Cain is a human with standard military training.

Peter is a Class 100 mutant with Danger room and wolverine training

winner: Current Colossus

so in these vs boards who wins? which is more important? Feats or Logic?

Any other characters in similar positions?



um. no...
the logic you are using doesn't work like that here.

Cain is a human with standard military training.

Peter is a Class 100 mutant with Danger room and wolverine training

a human with the "juggernaut status" has the same strength as one who used to be a class 100 strength when he becomes a "juggernaut status".
in other words. the powers do not "stack".

why is that?
  • the power of the crimson universe is infinitely endless in degree and range.
  • ex: if cobra commander gained the juggernaut status and if superman gained the juggernaut status, both would be equal in power.
  • the only thing that would differentiate their power "increasing more" and its rage would be the characters state of emotion and willingness to access more power by following up to terms with the aspect of which the power was granted to them by.

so let's just say this:

  • current colossus* vs classic juggernaut
1) strength: colossus = cain
2) durability: cain > colossus
3) speed: colossus = cain
4) agility: colossus > cain
5) probability/force field: cain > colossus
6) magic: cain > colossus (colossus doesn't know how use magic.---yet)
7) fighting ability: colossus > cain


  • current colossus vs 8th day juggernaut
1) strength: cain >>> colossus
2) durability: cain >>> colossus
3) speed: colossus = cain
4) agility: colossus > cain
5) probability/force field: cain >>> colossus
6) magic: cain > colossus (colossus doesn't know how use magic.---yet)
7) fighting ability: colossus > cain



  • current colossus vs trion juggernaut**
1) strength: cain >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colossus
2) durability: cain >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colossus
3) speed: cain >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colossus
4) agility: colossus > cain
5) probability/force field: cain >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colossus
6) magic: cain >>> colossus (colossus doesn't know how use magic.---yet)
7) fighting ability: colossus > cain


* note: current colossus as avatar of cyttorak
** note: trion juggernaut is cain utilizing nearly 100% (12.5% physical aspect of cyttorak) of the power of the crimson gem of cyttorak




so by using both logic and feats, cain marko displayed awesome impressiveness compared to what p iotr has done as of yet. the fear itself arc still has alot to prove itself worthy measuring itself against history. so you basically have cain marko (as juggernaut) standing up against the stranger, nightmare, eternity, d'spayre, and oblivion versus p iotr rasputin who stood up against cain as kuuth. 3 pages are hardly any feat compared to 50 years that is backing up cain's track record.

unstoppable colossus seemed no stronger than his regular mutant self.

#4 Posted by the human Juggernaut (7224 posts) - - Show Bio

@Shamelesslysupportinaznballers said:

Going with the team. I understand the whole concept of Jugg being unstoppable and all that but he's an idiot. There is a reason why he is always a follower, never a leader and always loses in the most ridiculous ways, because he is stupid.

Brains beats out brawn and these are 3 of the more intelligent ladies and are pretty powerful themselves. They will find a way to take off the helmet or something because that always happens to jugs and he always loses.

no, he's not an idiot. You're confusing him with bulldozer and rhino. Just because he followers others means nothing when talking about his intelligence. The vast majority of the xmen are followers. Same goes for members of every super team. This does not mean they are idiots. And since you say they will "find a way", that means you really have no idea how they can win.

#5 Posted by the human Juggernaut (7224 posts) - - Show Bio

ok, as i said earlier. Inconsistencies. Every character has them.

#6 Posted by the human Juggernaut (7224 posts) - - Show Bio

@LordOfAllHumans said:

@the human Juggernaut said:

@LordOfAllHumans said:

@MarvelRulesTheWorld said:

@the human Juggernaut said:

in xmen unlimited 44, juggernaut was depowered so his helmet was nothing more than a prop. Which xmen 46 are you talking about?

He's talking about The End which had a fallacy planted in it because Juggernaut's power was being fluctuated by a machine. This is the time when Marvel Girl 1st discovered she had telepathic powers in addition to her telekinesis.
She knew she had telepathy she stated that she needed more training, the machine you speak of was built to free him from being banished to another dimension and he destroyed the machine it had no affect on his power, this was all after Xavier faked his death to fight the Z'Nozz invasion, Cain returned pissed off and was smashing through the Xmen and mansion looking for Charles, Marvel Girl psi blasts him and causes him pain through his helmet, the only way he could get her to let up was to threaten an already unconscious Angel.
@the human Juggernaut said:

in xmen unlimited 44, juggernaut was depowered so his helmet was nothing more than a prop. Which xmen 46 are you talking about?

His helmet is enchanted to protect his mind from telepathy, it is the material that is is made out of which why he created skullcap if the helmet was removed, his powers and his helmet are not the same thing, in that the helmet is there whether he can access to all of his physical power or not, nice try though. You can try and use this argument if you like but there is nothing anywhere that suggests that not having his full strength makes his helmet any less "psi proof" and in Xmen 46 that was not the case so.

lol. His armor and helmet are not magical when he is depowered. He was wearing replicas of them. Try to get your facts straight.

He above all would know about his power, and if there was no element of psi proofing in his helmet, with that being said, why was he surprised that she could enter his mind? The helmet is a fake so why be surprised a telepath can crack it? Not to mention he did not start to sport that different armor until about Uncanny 426, Unlimited 44 happened before Uncanny 420 when he was still being empowered by Cyttorak but his strength was weakened as some kind of punishment. It still does not explain away why she was able to do it the first time, in Uncanny 46

because the writer was terrible. Uncanny xmen 46 was an inconsistency. Hell, there is one instance of juggernaut losing his powers after beast took the helmet off. That is also an inconsistency. I can show you countless examples of the helmet stopping any kind of mental attack.

#7 Posted by the human Juggernaut (7224 posts) - - Show Bio

@LordOfAllHumans said:

@MarvelRulesTheWorld said:
@the human Juggernaut said:

in xmen unlimited 44, juggernaut was depowered so his helmet was nothing more than a prop. Which xmen 46 are you talking about?

He's talking about The End which had a fallacy planted in it because Juggernaut's power was being fluctuated by a machine. This is the time when Marvel Girl 1st discovered she had telepathic powers in addition to her telekinesis.
She knew she had telepathy she stated that she needed more training, the machine you speak of was built to free him from being banished to another dimension and he destroyed the machine it had no affect on his power, this was all after Xavier faked his death to fight the Z'Nozz invasion, Cain returned pissed off and was smashing through the Xmen and mansion looking for Charles, Marvel Girl psi blasts him and causes him pain through his helmet, the only way he could get her to let up was to threaten an already unconscious Angel.
@the human Juggernaut said:

in xmen unlimited 44, juggernaut was depowered so his helmet was nothing more than a prop. Which xmen 46 are you talking about?

His helmet is enchanted to protect his mind from telepathy, it is the material that is is made out of which why he created skullcap if the helmet was removed, his powers and his helmet are not the same thing, in that the helmet is there whether he can access to all of his physical power or not, nice try though. You can try and use this argument if you like but there is nothing anywhere that suggests that not having his full strength makes his helmet any less "psi proof" and in Xmen 46 that was not the case so.

lol. His armor and helmet are not magical when he is depowered. He was wearing replicas of them. Try to get your facts straight.

#8 Posted by the human Juggernaut (7224 posts) - - Show Bio

in xmen unlimited 44, juggernaut was depowered so his helmet was nothing more than a prop. Which xmen 46 are you talking about?

#9 Posted by the human Juggernaut (7224 posts) - - Show Bio

@LordOfAllHumans said:

@the human Juggernaut said:

@LordOfAllHumans said:

@the human Juggernaut said:

@LordOfAllHumans said:

@Joygirl said:
Shulkie is irrelevant. Her heavy hitting means nothing since he's totally indestructible. Same with Storm. Their only hope is to remove his helmet before getting squished, and if Juggy's head is in the fight he can put up his forcefield and they will have an approximately 0% chance of getting his helmet off. Then their best chance of living is to run. Juggernaut wins hard.
Jean does not need to remove his helmet to get into his mind, she has used psi bolts and she has used mind rape, both times he was shocked that she could do it.

i guess every time he fights the xmen they forget all about that?

whether they do or whether they don't she has done it twice to, and it is instant and he was shocked both times at the strength of her power, which is the point, for the most part Xavier is the one that can't get through the helmet and being called the most powerful telepath on Earth it's safe to say nobody else would be able to do things telepathically if he can't, save Jean whom he always knew was more powerful and able to accomplish what he would deem telepathically impossible.
.@Joygirl said:
All of the is discounting the fact that Juggernaut knows Jean -- well, at this point -- and will be attempting to smush her. Again, She-Hulk is a non-factor, she'll be like a gorilla attacking a tank. Wind an lightning will not stop the Juggernaut. How long will it take for Jean to mindrape him with his helmet on? Because if it takes ANY time at all....
It's instant, it was both times, the psi blast and the mind rape, and she can fly because she knows him just as well.

when?

you are a Juggernaut fan right? You should know.

ok, so you don't know then. Thanks for admitting it.

#10 Posted by the human Juggernaut (7224 posts) - - Show Bio

@Larkin1388 said:

@Vance Astro said:

She Hulk rips off his helmet and then Storm sits back and watches as Jean mind rapes the sh#t out of him.

This...

no, juggernaut can 1 shot she hulk and storn and jean can both do nothing