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Cosmic Sentinel says:

"Interest is in the eye of the beholder. Or maybe the Beyonder. Still don't get why people think the Marvel U is less powerful than DC (especially when they also back Marvel characters in a fight). Marvel has it's powerful characters like Thor, Silver Surfer, Galactus etc. So no, I don't think Hyperion's powers will automatically be one magnitude less (whatever a magnitude is in this instance) than Superman's."

Superman can lift millions of tonnes, survive low megatonnage nuclear strikes, catch all the bullets from multiple automatic guns fired at a crowd, fly at tens of thousands of miles per hour and his senses are immensly amplified.

When did you see Hyperion perform these same level of activities ? Never!

Yes we have seen him smash through battle tanks, get hit by Thor's hammer, NOT snatch bullets from the air and fly at a couple of thousand mph (in space where there is less friction).

The Marvekl Universe characters were rather shortsightedly described on a 100 tonne lifting scale. Hyperion was originally put in at 75 tonnes (Thor at just over 100 tonnes). Compared to their feats of strength that they perform like tearing apart a tank armour which would require hundreds to thouisands of tonnes of applied force, this confirms a much higher strength requirement. However, Hyperion has never been shown to be able to lift an object as heavy as say the Great Pyramid in Egypt. This is the level is Superman's strength.

When I say at least a magnitude higher it means a factor of 10 bigger i.e. 100 is a factor of magnitude bigger than 10.

So Superman wins.

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Donnieman says:

"It's hard to say because 1) which Hyperion is it, 2) gladiator's abilities are based upon his level of confidence and 3) what are they fighting for?"

Which Hyperion was confirmed in the first posting - Original Squadron Supreme Hyperion.

Gladiator would be fairly confident as usual, although he has seen Thor in action a few times and has fought him to a draw. Gladiator has also encounted Hyperion and there was an exchange of blows.

They are fighting for their respective survivals.

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If we are talking about the following 2 versions,

Superman - Current continuity (from Action comics etc but not All Star Superman).

Hyperion - One from Squadron Supreme (not King Hyperion from Exiles or Hyperion as in Supreme Power).

Although Hyperion was originally a Marvel copy of Superman, Superman wins as each of his powers is at least 1 magnitude + higher than Hyperions.

This is a common distinction between Marvel and DC heroes.

Although Hyperion has pretty much all the same powers, his ability levels have been tailored to fit in to the Marvel Universes power hierarchy - which is correspondingly lower than DC's.

Anyway you cut it, Supes is stronger, faster, more invulnerable and has hotter heat vision than Hyperion.

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Interesting combat but there are several points to clear up.

Superman is far stronger (if the surfer does not draw on external energy sources) and likely more invulnerable than the silver surfer (to physical blows anyhow).

Superman has a fster reaction time that the Surfer - think about how many times have you seen the surfer operate at super fast reaction times (not just moving at high flight speeds).

The surfer has greter endurance and flight speed than Supes.

The cruch however is that the Surfer can literally drain the solar energy from Superman and effectively block anymore from reaching him (in relatively close combat). He drained the radiation energy from the hulk previously so a giant solar battery should prove as tasty a snack.

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I think of the three, Hyperion would be the first casuality of the battle, leaving Gladiator and Thor to come out as top dog. In the end, I would have to vote Thor but it would be a long drawn out battle.

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When I posted this battle I was a little unsure about the winner.

Both combatants possess similar physical powers - Superhuman strength, Invulnerability, Superspeed, Super endurance.

Both can emit energy beams from their eyes.

Sentry can also emit energy from his whole body.

Even though Sentry possesses the power of a thousand exploding stars (which by the way means that he would have a higher energy output than Galactus - who is in fact a single star), does this mean that he can output heat/light as those found in the centre of a star. As in previious posts, if Gladiator has flown through the heart of stars, then does this mean that Sentry's energy output will not bother him?

If we disciount the Sentry's potentially massive psionic abilities as he has not developed any yet (only has the psionic reservoir to tap in to) (and anyway, Gladiator has proven to be quite resistant to psionics in the past) then this brings us back to the physical arena and in that I would say they are pretty evenly matched. The one fact we do have in Gladiators favour is that Gladiator is a better fighter.

So does Gladiator win ?

I'm actuially going to favour Sentry with the win because I don't belive that we have seen his upper limit yet.

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Satyrquaze says:

"Surfer beats Quasar and Quasar is a match for pretty much any GL."

I'm not sure I agree with this statement about Quasar being the equal of a GL but that's a different battle but I think that the Silver Surfer would beat GL due to the variability of his powers

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In that case, I would say that Ultimate Cap would win as both would have comaparable combat training but Ultimate Cap is significantly stronger, more durable and has greater endurance.

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As already mentioned, Namor wins in every dept - Over 20 times stronger, faster in swimming speed and reaction time, significantly more durable and due to his combat experience, a better fighter.

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Lets look at the fight breakdowns,

Juugernaut: For all intents and purposes he is indestructible. His strength level is between 90 - 100 tonnes but when he heads in a direction, he is granted a mystical motive force that means that he is unstoppable when walking in that direction. His endurance is practically limitless (also requires no sleep) and he does not require air/food/water.

Hulk: Starts calm at strength levels (depending upon the hulk form) between 80 - 100 tonnes. He is extremely difficult to hurt, but can be damaged by blows from super strong beings (like Juggernaut). He has a healing factor that will repair him given sufficient time. He has vast leaping ability (3+ miles). His endurance is huge (ability to fight constantly for days if needs be) and he can hold his breath for hours (although recent developments hint at environmental adaption abilities). The big power - the madder he gets the stronger he gets and no limit has yet been found.

The fight - At the start Juggy and Hulk trade blows and Hulk comes off worse. As Hulk gets more powerful he begins to own the fight but unless the hulk has Juggy standing in an arena of adamantium then Juggy will take no damage from Hulks blows. Imagine he hits down on to Juggy, driving him into the ground, but taking no damage. The earth gives way below juggy's punched body but Hulk does not break through juggernaut's force field. Now if Hulk does not think to throw juggy in to space (thus ending the fight) and he problably won't as he's that angry now, this battle is likely to end in one of 2 ways,

  1. Hulks blows drive Juggeranut deep in to the earth, hulk follows him in and eventually suffocates way down in the earth (unless hulk stops off for a breather and martini with the moleman).

or 2. The hulk after getting stronger over several days eventually tires, his massive endurance exhausted from constant battle and Juggy kills the prostrate form of Banner when the hulk reverts forms.