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#1  Edited By tg1982
@The Stegman
If Batman stays at range and uses everything at once then yes Batman would probably win (depending on the location, if there is nothing to bounce Cap's shield off of for example), but I don't think Batman would just stay out and just keep throwing stuff at him, granted I'm not a Batman expert, but I from what I hear just using his belt exclusively dosen't seem to be his style, even if he does other people have still gotten close to Batman so I think Captain America could as well (albeit possibly weakned due to the gas and what not). 
 
Another thing people seem to be forgetting about is, yes, Captain American dosen't know about Batman's belt, however the same should be said for Captain America's physicallity as well. Batman won't know right of the bat that Captain America is physically his superior in most if not all categories, and he wont know just how pinpoint accurate and just how effective Captain America is with his shield, not just as a deffensive weapon or an offensive weapon but as a distraction as well. 
 
Lastly, yes gas can and would effect Captain America but we can only speculate to the extent and duration of the effects of the knockout gas, which goes to the above statement about Batman not knowing about Captain America's SSS and how resistent he is to knockout gas. Smoke bombs won't really effect Cap at all in the sense that once Cap knows that it's smoke then he'll deduce that Bats is using it to conceal himself to either get in close or escape (not likely with Bats) or move to another position, and would get out of the effective range of the smoke bomb.  And depending on the location the smoke and gas bombs might not even be an option.
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@The Stegman said:

Cap has the advatage in strength and stamina, but Batman has every other advantage, he has become an expert in over 100 different martial arts skills, he has learned every single weakness the human body has, including pressure points, vital organs and weak spots,


I disagree with Batman having every advantage but two. Physically Cap is superior to Bats, except maybe in agility and reflexes which they are equal, I will say thatBat is smarter than Cap, however Cap has displayed amazing tactical awarness and acumen, and I feel they are equal in H2H (The reasons I said are in an earlier post, I could repost them if needed).  
 

@The Stegman said:

he has led several teams including the JLA, Justice League International, and the Outsiders, not to mention his own Bat Family, he has beaten people stronger than him such as Bane, Clayface, and even superman (albeit with preparation) he has beaten people with more fighting experience than him such as Ra's Al Ghul, Lady Shiva, and Bronze Tiger.   
 
 
Captain America has led the Avengers and numerous variations there of. Has also beaten people physically stronger than him such as Grey Gargoyle, USAgent, Beast (who is also smarter and more agile), And has beaten people who knew more or every martial arts such as Cache (a robot with every martial art in the world in it's programing), he's fought Daredevil, Black Panther, Ironfist and has either won or stalemated them, he has fought and beaten people with more battle experience as well like Kang. Has beaten people without his super soldier serum, Crossbones, 
 
I already accepted that Cap would have difficulty with Bats' belt, but nothing I think that is impossible to overcome. 
 
I think Cap wins 6/10
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I haven't played MK in a long time. What all can Sub-Zero do now? 
 

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#4  Edited By tg1982

The same could be said for Commander Shepard (Mass Effect series) As well. All three are 
 
1: Soldiers 
2: Enhanced (Cap's Serum, Master Chief's suit and Shepard's Cybernetics) 
3: Have special suits or weapons 
4:  All have become heroes in a time of war --  (Cap World War II, Master Chief War of the Covenant. Shepard Attack on Eden Prime) 
5: Gone for extended periods of time (Cap was frozen, Master Chief was in stasis, and Shepard was dead) 
 
and in the case of Shepard and Captain America both are great leaders whose followers would and have followed them on suicide missions.

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#5  Edited By tg1982

Cap FTW. 
 
I would say why but others already posted them for me.
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The DD KOing happened (as I've heard it) because DD snuck into the Avengers mansion and ambushed Cap in the dark and threw him head first into a wall. Many say BS but I don't know as I've never read it but I agree with you on all counts regarding Cap.
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Cap ftw
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@tg1982: The electricity thing was just a throwaway thought. As for a close fight, I still don't think that guarantees victory for Cap. I don't see Cap as having a significant physical advantage or skill advantage so a close quarters fight doesn't necessarily go to him. I think he's more likely to win that way, but it's not a given, and if Batman starts to see that Cap's getting ahead when they're fighting close, he'll fix that. It's easier for him to make space than for Cap to get close in my opinion. He's got various gadgets to give him a moment to break away as well as grapple guns to take him away quickly. On top of that he has various safety measures worked into his suit (nerve gas and electricity for example) that make getting too close a bad idea if he wants to play it that way.



I'm not saying it would be a sure thing in a close H2H fight for Cap, but I do think he has the advantage there.  
 
It might be easier for Bats to break away but it still wont be easy, in close Cap could just keep the pressure up making it difficult for Bats to go for his belt, it's not like Cap would just throw a few punches and/or kicks and then back off. In close Cap, I think could and would be fast enough to keep Bats off balance enough to at least make it difficult for Bats to really utilize his gadgets. Bats would ofcourse be fighting back (I'm not saying Cap would be the only one fighting here) but if Bats went for a gadget then he would have to atleast make a move for it and Cap could throw a punch or kick to make Bruce either have to take the hit or block or evade making it a bit more difficult for Bats (I'm know it wont completely stop Bats from obtaining said gaget but it would disrupt him some.) Maybe just a split second but with Cap's reflexes and speed a split second could mean alot. 

How strong is the tinsle strength on the grapple gun's cable? Just a question. Cap could probably break the cable with his shield or even choose that moment to throw the shield (depending on the location of the fight) at either Bats or his arm/grapple gun possibly connecting or causing Bats' aim to err in avoidance to being hit by the shield. And if Bats tries to do it up close I don't think it will work.
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#9  Edited By tg1982
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Okay, I concede to the utility belt vs the shield debate. LOL. 
 
But I still think that Cap would be able to get close enough to make it a H2H fight. I don't see Batman doing all the things you mentioned right off the get go.  
 
I wish we had more to go on for the fight, starting distance, time of day, location of fight, etc etc. 
 
Also, on a side note I don't  think the shield conducts electricity or temperatures (atleast it take a long time for the shield to get hot if it does) Thor has unleashed a strong lightning attack on it and it didn't fry Cap. And Cap used the shield to protect himself from a rocket taking off and the flames and heat didn't affect him either. (I know Bats can throw around his shield, but I just thought I answer the if "Cap's shield conducts electrcity" statement)
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@Buckshot
You have alot of good points. But there are a few things that I disagree with.  
 
First, I know that Cap won't know WHAT it is in the pellets that Bats would be throwing at him, but he can still see that it is a pellet, for example if he sees that its a pellet or something that looks like it's meant to break on contact he could probably surmise that it's a gas or smoke pellet and act accordingly (If he can see bullets after they're fired then he can see the pellets and jump out of the way or dodge.) And if it's a flash bang or stun batarang the in order for it to work effectively it would have to get around the shield, and I don't see Cap not using his shield to block, Bats could throw it off to the side of Cap, or something, but I think the same applies to as far as being able to deduce that Bat's is trying to set him up. And realize that there is a reason Bats missed. And act accordingly.  
 
Second, even if the gas effects Cap there is no telling how much or even how long it would effect him, Bats wouldn't know about Cap's SSS enhanced metabolism so he wouldn't know that the gasses would have a lesser effect on him.   
 
Third, I've seen no evidence that Cap has ever been at a disadvantge in stun/flasbangs due to his hieghtend senses, infact Cap has on many times appeared to be unaffected by such occurances.