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#1 Posted by Tevnoba (3494 posts) - - Show Bio

Team Hulk wins.

#2 Edited by Tevnoba (3494 posts) - - Show Bio

@steelhound56:

Excellent points, all.

#3 Posted by Tevnoba (3494 posts) - - Show Bio

@Picard said:

@Tevnoba: Do you have any evidence to support claim that Borg can't beam through SW shields? Is pure speculation and wishful thinking on your part

Of course not, there has never been a cross-over to my knowledge. However, based on the power of the SW shield systems, and the inherent limitations of transport technology (that preclude transporting through many solid substances and types of interference) I feel justified in saying that the probability is against the Borg.

#4 Posted by Tevnoba (3494 posts) - - Show Bio

@cliffrice said:

well from a personal weapons perspective ST seems to have the upper-hand with its handhelds disintegrating targets. Only one reference to hand held disintegrating people is thermal detonators a vaders comment to bobafett "No disintegration" which is in reference to Fetts Disruptor. Though researching both phasers and blasters the descriptions make it seem like they are the same technology. It would appear though that phasers are more destructive in general as all of them have a disintegrate setting while only certain rare weapons in Starwars have that capability. So assuming the borg have assimilated/developed better weaponry than the normal federation standard its safe to say if the battle becomes a matter of boarding parties engaging each-other than the Borg have the advantage.

Excluding Capitol ships the startrek weapons are more powerful. Quantum torpedoes can damage (though not outright destroy) Neutronium, which is an otherwise indestructible metal forged in the cooling heart of a collapsed neutron star. These weapons proved infective against the Borg Cube in Startrek First contact. The most destructive weapon in SW is the Sun crusher which desalinizes stars. kind of useless if the enemy is near a star. so we can probably default to the deathstar super laser is probably the most powerful ship to ship weapon. a 4% powerd blast can destroy a capitol ship in one shot. But there aren't many of those and the methods of transporting them are hellishly slow.

Hyperspace is much faster than warp speed. a 5000 light year journey in star trek takes 20 months. While the same journey in Starwars takes 16 hours. I'm figuring trans-warp hubs (assuming there are any in star-wars) is comparable to Hyperspace travel. so even Steven there.

The way the borg fight they would zergrush colonies and asimilate everything on their way to the fleet. Some borg cubes would be lost on the way there but the borg would adapt countermeasures to standard starwars armaments. Not to mention the ability that borg have shown (from time to time) to Transport through sheilds probably spells doom for the empire. Trying to mess with the mind of the borg through their queen might be downright maddening with the mind of the entire collective The only reference i could find to Borg population was in refrence to a borg unicomplex which stated there were "trillions of drones, the populations of Thousands of worlds" Its safe to assume the empire is out numbered as well.

My vote goes to the Borg.

Nice argument, but there are a few errors to consider. First, there are millions of populated worlds in SW and many with populations in the billions. Even if the Empire could only support say .1% of the population into service they still far out number the Borg. Second, The Empire has far more ships of war than the Borg. Their Shields and Weapons are stronger than the Borg (going off the technical specs of both). SW ships travel faster than even the borg through transwarp conduits. Also, Sub-space and Hypersapce are not the same thing - ships in Sub-Space can be attacked by each other; ships in Hyperspace can not (as each ship generates it own domain, that is not detectable to other ships). Due to the Strength of the SW shields, I will say with out a doubt that the Borg will not be able to transport through them. Because of this, the Borg would have to knock down the SW shields before boarding and assimilating - this is not going to happen.

@cliffrice said:

Excluding Capitol ships the startrek weapons are more powerful. Quantum torpedoes can damage (though not outright destroy) Neutronium, which is an otherwise indestructible metal forged in the cooling heart of a collapsed neutron star. These weapons proved infective against the Borg Cube in Startrek First contact. The most destructive weapon in SW is the Sun crusher which desalinizes stars. kind of useless if the enemy is near a star. so we can probably default to the deathstar super laser is probably the most powerful ship to ship weapon. a 4% powerd blast can destroy a capitol ship in one shot. But there aren't many of those and the methods of transporting them are hellishly slow.

Where do you get that Quantum Torpedoes can damage Neutronium? Please cite a reference that can be examined. "desalinizes"? deslination is the process of removing salt from a composition. What the Sun-crusher does is in effect the same thing that Dr. Soran's torpedo does in "Generations", by disrupting the process of fusion - causing it to super nova. And by the way is very useful if the enemy is near a star. The Quantum Torpedoes were very effective in "First Contact", I have no idea where you got the idea from that they were not.

#5 Posted by Tevnoba (3494 posts) - - Show Bio

@DocJude:

The Cthulu write-up for the d20 system, in no way compares what he should actually be like. If they were to write the Great Old ones properly, they would have CR's in 200-300 hundreds - at least!

So the d20 comparison is a complete fallacy.

#6 Posted by Tevnoba (3494 posts) - - Show Bio

This fight is not even comparable.

Cthulu's Daughter in the stories is attacked by a Multi-megaton nuke and is only scratched. Cthulu is far stronger than his daughter.

#7 Posted by Tevnoba (3494 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanos looses his "B" Team, and does not care.

#8 Posted by Tevnoba (3494 posts) - - Show Bio

Tough call. Odin is weaker that when he last fought Thanos (but we do not know how much of Odin's power he was using), and Thanos is more powerful than he was (again we do not know how much of power Thanos was using in their battle). I am fairly certain Thanos was not using his full range of power in their original fight, because he did not come to Asgard to defeat Odin, just get him to listen.

Without the prep, I say 50/50 because there is not enough information about their current capabilities. With the prep time, I have to give it to Thanos.

#9 Posted by Tevnoba (3494 posts) - - Show Bio

As much as I prefer the Hulk as a character; in this situation I would take Juggs power . . . I can personally handle Cytorak's pathetic manipulations.

#10 Posted by Tevnoba (3494 posts) - - Show Bio

Thanos, for all the reasons listed above and more.