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@imperfect_cell said:
@terry2012 said:

Which Flash is this one?

He mentioned Deathstroke tripping Wally, so I assume we're talking about Wally.

So this is comic version of Flash?, then in that case, Flash stomps.

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Which Flash is this one?

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I have not seen the rest of the movies to say whether I like it or not.

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@getout said:

@terry2012: So, you're telling me Goku having a stronger mind than Naruto and Kakashi is a fact? How would you know that? C'mon.

And you're also assuming Itachi lied about tsukuyomi just because he lied about some other stuff. But that's a fact too because you say so, right? Seems legit.

So, you are telling me Naruto and Kakashi having a stronger mind than Goku is a fact? How would you know that? Come on. Come on now. Who is a telepathy, Naruto, Kakashi, or Goku? Who can read other people mind with their mind, Naruto Kakashi or Goku? Who can communicate with their mind, Naruto Kakashi or Goku?

Laughing out loud, no I am not, I never said Itachi lied about Tsukuyomi just because he lied about some other stuff. Do not put words in my mouth.

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@leo-343 said:

A morals off Kizaru is a pretty scary thought. I have little doubt he'd be unstoppable in One Piece currently.

As for this gauntlet... He has a shot at clearing.

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@getout said:
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@nite_nite said:

@terry2012: why y'all posting stuff to me? I got nun to do wit yalls convo

I didn't post stuff to you. You got tag for some reason I do not know why. So if you get notifications just ignore it unless one of us is talking to you. It happen to me once, and it might happen again. it could be a bug.

@getout said:
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@getout said:
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@getout said:

@terry2012: I know what I said, take my advice, lol.

3. If will power has anything to do with it, he could endure it, not break it. Show me feats of Goku countering this kind of attack.

4. Ok then, let's assume "he's not a God in his own realm". How does Goku break it? If you think will power will break it read 3.

5. That's why I put it in quotes. Itachi let him out, ok. Then again, how does Goku break it? Read 3.

6. A second in the real world, 72 hours in his mind. By resist it, do you mean endure it with will power? Read 3.

So, you agree he could at least be hurt after it ends?

No I am not taking your advice.

  1. He only have to endure it for a sec., and he can break out of it, by using his Kee to disrupting his kee, since he have full control over it.
  2. Will power will break it. Read 1.
  3. Read 1.
  4. Read 1. A sec is nothing to Goku.
  5. Depends on what Itachi does to him, so yeah it can, however, not to the extent of what happened to Kakashi and Sasuke. Because Sasuke was fine when it was used on him for the second time, so it might not hurt at all. Since this the first time he be taking it for the first time it will hurt him, but not on the second time after encounter it. Talk to you later. About to go to bed.

Just so you know, Infinite Tsukuyomi, the genjutsu Kaguya used, is different from Tsukuyomi, it isn't supposed to kill or hurt.

1. You're just making that up, he could endure it with will power, not break it, and once again, show me feats of Goku countering this kind of mental attack. Remember how Naruto tried to attack Itachi with his rasengan when he was caught inside Itachi's finger's genjutsu? Why didn't that break him free if he was supposed to be disrupting/concentrating his own chakra? Simple, because it happens inside his mind. Sakura and Chiyo who were in the outside world had to disrupt his chakra for him to get out, plus that genjutsu was a weaker version which didn't occur in an instant like tsukuyomi did,and Itachi wasn't even intending to kill him. Like it was mentioned above many times, tsukuyomi happens in an instant in the real world while inside it feels like 72 hours, and it takes place inside the mind, so Goku wouldn't have time nor can he power up.

4. A second is nothing for goku in the outside world, but it means a lot when he's being tortured for 72 hours in his mind.

5. I don't see how this matters since you said it yourself, Itachi wanted Sasuke to win, that's why he didn't seem so damaged the second time. However, this is not the case with Goku. Why would Itachi let him out? And this is his first time experiencing it indeed, there won't be a second time since this is not a battle. And you already admitted that he will be hurt, so case closed.

As for some statements that Goku couldn't be damaged with it because Goku is stronger and far more durable than Kakashi, durability and strength don't matter, this is in his mind, not the outside world. By that logic Kakashi would have been killed by the first 2 or 3 katanas.

Where does it say that Infinite Tsukuyomi is different from Tsukuyomi? And yet it does hurt or killed.

They just chose to not kill them.

  1. I am not making stuff up, and I know that he can endure it, that have been establish already, and he can break with his kee. There is nothing to suggest that he cannot. You show me feats Goku cannot counter this attack. Yeah I remember that, but also remember that was Naruto first time trying to dispel the genjutsu, which mean he was not good at it nor did he perfected it. So of course he was not going to break out of it, because he had no practice with it since Jiraiya taught him how. Ever since then he have had no problems with Genjutsu, and this is before he became perfect with Kurama. Plus he could not control his chakra any way during that time. And I know it is happening in his mind and Goku have had training in his mind. Plus when he is a Super Saiyajin he is already power up.
  2. A sec is nothing for Goku in the outside world, and it is nothing to him in his mind. Because Goku trained hours with his mind, and in his mind. Did you miss the scan posted by someone when it showed Gohan and Krillin mind training, or did you miss when someone posted what Kee can do?
  3. It matters because Sasuke was not hurt by Tsukuyomi the second time around. Keep in mind Itachi let out Kakashi and it still hurt him and made him bed ready for a week. I said he will be hurt and not to the extent of Kakashi and when Sasuke was hurt by it the first time. So not case closed.
  4. I never said anything about durability nor strength, I was talking about in his mind, which you don't have to keep saying that and bringing that up. I know this take place in his mind so that is irrelevant. Goku mental is way way stronger and greater than Kakashi and Naruto. So even though it happens in a instant, Goku can resist it, endure it, and break out of it. He does not need to power up since he is already power up since he is in Super Saiyajin 1.

No, it never showed a feat killing/hurting anyone, in fact if you read some chapters ahead, it makes everyone's dreams come true. All their chakra is absorbed by that sacred tree in the scans you provided (lmao) and then they get turned into white zetsus by the user. If you want to count that as a kill be it, but the genjutsu itself didn't do it.

1. I gotta give props to you on this one, I was wrong indeed as Naruto really was about to break it by dispelling it, not by him using his rasengan, and you're right he wasn't as experienced back then.

Yes, you're making stuff up, he cannot break it by powering up since Itachi's tsukuyomi is an entirely different technique from his finger's genjutsu. Itachi's tsukuyomi by feats requires at least the 3 things that have been shown to help the victim: 1. Blood relation 2. A sharingan 3. Itachi wanting you to win. If Kakashi could have broken tsukuyomi by dispeling it/disrupting his chakra he would have done so. So there's everything to suggest that he indeed can't break it. Like I stated many times above, this does seem like a NLF, we could make a case for big characters like Galactus, Xavier, and Thanos, because it is indeed really stupid to believe beings like them with really OP mental resistance could be beaten by or couldn't break from tsukuyomi, even though they don't meet those 3 requirements. Goku, however, isn't one of those characters with OP mental resistance, feats, or strong evidential claims to back him up at all against these kind of attacks. Yes, he's a ssj, how's that helping him when he cannot break the jutsu by powering up? Again, his will power could help him endure it, not break it.

2. We didn't even see wtf kind of mental battle they had, plus those two were Gohan and Krillin, not Goku. Again, no feats, mental resistance to these kind of attacks, or strong evidential claims at all. You missed my post too, I stated that I didn't get how controlling ki=resistance to hax mental attacks, unless you got feats of course. How can you answer this?

3. You said it, it was a second time and Itachi let him be. This however is a first time for Goku, and I don't see why Itachi would let him be. Maybe he won't be hurt to Kakashi's/Sasuke's first time extent, but you already admitted he'll get hurt even if it's just a little, so yes case closed. And by that logic tsukuyomi would have ended already, therefore Goku never broke out.

4. Read 1, I won't repeat myself anymore.

You said it is different when it is not, you said it is not supposed to kill or hurt. And I showed you a scan that it can in fact kill or hurt and that the dreams can come true even prove my point even further. I know that it can turn them into a white zetsu and the only way she can do that is through the jutsu, so yes the genjutsu itself did do it laughing out loud. If you read what Black Zetsu said you would have seen where in the scans he said they were not going to kill them because Naruto feared they were going to killed them with the genjutsu, by absorbing their chakra, because you know, the genjutsu make the dreams of the wielder come true. And it used the tree to do it. You did not say anything about feats showing that it did. Come on.

  1. Thank you.
  2. No I am not making stuff up, you just said Naruto was about to break it by dispelling it, which is just powering up after stopping your chakra flow and I know that it is different from his other genjutsus. Must I go through this with you too? There are no requirements to breaking out of Itachi Tsukuyomi, Itachi lied. Just like how he lied about how to get Susanno. No Kakashi would have not done so because his chakra is low and so is his stamina, plus you said it yourself the jutsu is instant. so he would not know that he is in it, just like he did not know he was in it until Itachi told him, and that was all in a sec. So there is no suggestion that he cannot break out of it nor no other way for him to break out of it, said by @Randomsid. I just told you that as a Super Saiyajin he is already power up, which mean he do not need to power up because he already is, he just needs to stop his kee flow so that question have already been answered. His will power can help him break out of it, since it is his will power that he needs to see through the illusion or stop his kee flow. Most likely the latter.
  3. Yes we did see what kind of metal battle they had, and if Krillin and Gohan can do it then so can Goku. Again, show me feats that he cannot resist these kind of attacks. Goku heart virus physically and mentally torture him, if you want to count that. I did not miss your posted, Kee can work the same way chakra does, read post 2.
  4. Yes, I said it, Itachi did let him be, however Sasuke was not hurt by it for the second time even when Itachi let him be. He let Kakashi be and it still hurt Kakashi and put him in a bed for a week. So no it is not case closed. I am saying for Goku first time in it if Goku just endure it he wont need a bed. And I was only speaking of endurance in his mind. And he does not need to break out of it since it only last a sec in his world and 72 hours in his mind, with Goku training in all of his life that is nothing for Goku.
  5. Read 4 from my previous comment. Walks away from the conversation. Have your say, and this will end. I enjoy talking to you and discussing this debate with you.

Now you're just taking your own assumptions as facts. Goku having a stronger mind than Kakashi and Naruto is just YOUR assumption. And Holy cow! Infinite tsukuyomi is not the same as Itachi's tsukuyomi, FACT. How do you not understand this? Even if it was I.T. we were talking about here, Goku wouldn't even know he's trapped in it, because he would be having happy dreams about himself surpassing his own strength, and he would think it's real life.

How about you show me Goku mentally fighting/attacking one of his enemies in the series. Ginyu? Vegeta? Nappa? Cell? Frieza? Exactly, he doesn't have any feats of doing that, IT IS NOT his fighting style. And how would he stand a chance against an attack like tsukuyomi which he has never encountered before when that's not even his fighting style and he himself doesn't even have any feats? He CAN'T break it by willpower. If that was possible, Kakashi would have tried that, and if you know Naruto, you would know he has a very strong willpower, YET he couldn't break Itachi's finger genjutsu. And I already repeated like 3 or 4 times he could maybe endure it with FREAKING WILLPOWER, but there's definitely no way he can break it.

And you're also assuming that because Itachi "lied" about some other things he's also lying about this? NOT A FACT. All Naruto characters are featless when it comes to breaking Itachi's tsukuyomi by disrupting one's chakra, so what makes you think Goku who doesn't have any high end mental powers NOR does he have the only 3 things that were shown in the whole freaking series to help the victim against tsukuyomi can just break it by "stopping his ki flow"? No one in the series broke Itachi's tsukuyomi by disrupting their chakra (and he only used it 3 times), so you saying Goku can do it with his ki is your assumption too, NOT A FACT. Kakashi was very aware he was inside tsukuyomi, so I don't know what you're talking about. How would one not be aware when you're suffering what feels like 3 full days of constant stabbing? Even if Kakashi's chakra was abundant, he CAN'T break it, you're making that up. He was also trying to avoid it for a second time when he was with Naruto, Sakura, and Chiyo, which proves my point even further.

As for Sasuke not being damaged the second time, that should be pretty obvious. Itachi wasn't using it in the same manner as he did with Kakashi, 72 hours of nonstop stabbing. At least try to distinguish between the 3 different ways/times Itachi used it.

In the end, you proved nothing.

In the end, I proved everything.

If you want to count your assumptions as fact then that's okay, lol.

If you want to count my facts as an assumption then that is okay, laughing out loud.

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@getout said:
@terry2012 said:
@nite_nite said:

@terry2012: why y'all posting stuff to me? I got nun to do wit yalls convo

I didn't post stuff to you. You got tag for some reason I do not know why. So if you get notifications just ignore it unless one of us is talking to you. It happen to me once, and it might happen again. it could be a bug.

@getout said:
@terry2012 said:
@getout said:
@terry2012 said:
@getout said:

@terry2012: I know what I said, take my advice, lol.

3. If will power has anything to do with it, he could endure it, not break it. Show me feats of Goku countering this kind of attack.

4. Ok then, let's assume "he's not a God in his own realm". How does Goku break it? If you think will power will break it read 3.

5. That's why I put it in quotes. Itachi let him out, ok. Then again, how does Goku break it? Read 3.

6. A second in the real world, 72 hours in his mind. By resist it, do you mean endure it with will power? Read 3.

So, you agree he could at least be hurt after it ends?

No I am not taking your advice.

  1. He only have to endure it for a sec., and he can break out of it, by using his Kee to disrupting his kee, since he have full control over it.
  2. Will power will break it. Read 1.
  3. Read 1.
  4. Read 1. A sec is nothing to Goku.
  5. Depends on what Itachi does to him, so yeah it can, however, not to the extent of what happened to Kakashi and Sasuke. Because Sasuke was fine when it was used on him for the second time, so it might not hurt at all. Since this the first time he be taking it for the first time it will hurt him, but not on the second time after encounter it. Talk to you later. About to go to bed.

Just so you know, Infinite Tsukuyomi, the genjutsu Kaguya used, is different from Tsukuyomi, it isn't supposed to kill or hurt.

1. You're just making that up, he could endure it with will power, not break it, and once again, show me feats of Goku countering this kind of mental attack. Remember how Naruto tried to attack Itachi with his rasengan when he was caught inside Itachi's finger's genjutsu? Why didn't that break him free if he was supposed to be disrupting/concentrating his own chakra? Simple, because it happens inside his mind. Sakura and Chiyo who were in the outside world had to disrupt his chakra for him to get out, plus that genjutsu was a weaker version which didn't occur in an instant like tsukuyomi did,and Itachi wasn't even intending to kill him. Like it was mentioned above many times, tsukuyomi happens in an instant in the real world while inside it feels like 72 hours, and it takes place inside the mind, so Goku wouldn't have time nor can he power up.

4. A second is nothing for goku in the outside world, but it means a lot when he's being tortured for 72 hours in his mind.

5. I don't see how this matters since you said it yourself, Itachi wanted Sasuke to win, that's why he didn't seem so damaged the second time. However, this is not the case with Goku. Why would Itachi let him out? And this is his first time experiencing it indeed, there won't be a second time since this is not a battle. And you already admitted that he will be hurt, so case closed.

As for some statements that Goku couldn't be damaged with it because Goku is stronger and far more durable than Kakashi, durability and strength don't matter, this is in his mind, not the outside world. By that logic Kakashi would have been killed by the first 2 or 3 katanas.

Where does it say that Infinite Tsukuyomi is different from Tsukuyomi? And yet it does hurt or killed.

They just chose to not kill them.

  1. I am not making stuff up, and I know that he can endure it, that have been establish already, and he can break with his kee. There is nothing to suggest that he cannot. You show me feats Goku cannot counter this attack. Yeah I remember that, but also remember that was Naruto first time trying to dispel the genjutsu, which mean he was not good at it nor did he perfected it. So of course he was not going to break out of it, because he had no practice with it since Jiraiya taught him how. Ever since then he have had no problems with Genjutsu, and this is before he became perfect with Kurama. Plus he could not control his chakra any way during that time. And I know it is happening in his mind and Goku have had training in his mind. Plus when he is a Super Saiyajin he is already power up.
  2. A sec is nothing for Goku in the outside world, and it is nothing to him in his mind. Because Goku trained hours with his mind, and in his mind. Did you miss the scan posted by someone when it showed Gohan and Krillin mind training, or did you miss when someone posted what Kee can do?
  3. It matters because Sasuke was not hurt by Tsukuyomi the second time around. Keep in mind Itachi let out Kakashi and it still hurt him and made him bed ready for a week. I said he will be hurt and not to the extent of Kakashi and when Sasuke was hurt by it the first time. So not case closed.
  4. I never said anything about durability nor strength, I was talking about in his mind, which you don't have to keep saying that and bringing that up. I know this take place in his mind so that is irrelevant. Goku mental is way way stronger and greater than Kakashi and Naruto. So even though it happens in a instant, Goku can resist it, endure it, and break out of it. He does not need to power up since he is already power up since he is in Super Saiyajin 1.

No, it never showed a feat killing/hurting anyone, in fact if you read some chapters ahead, it makes everyone's dreams come true. All their chakra is absorbed by that sacred tree in the scans you provided (lmao) and then they get turned into white zetsus by the user. If you want to count that as a kill be it, but the genjutsu itself didn't do it.

1. I gotta give props to you on this one, I was wrong indeed as Naruto really was about to break it by dispelling it, not by him using his rasengan, and you're right he wasn't as experienced back then.

Yes, you're making stuff up, he cannot break it by powering up since Itachi's tsukuyomi is an entirely different technique from his finger's genjutsu. Itachi's tsukuyomi by feats requires at least the 3 things that have been shown to help the victim: 1. Blood relation 2. A sharingan 3. Itachi wanting you to win. If Kakashi could have broken tsukuyomi by dispeling it/disrupting his chakra he would have done so. So there's everything to suggest that he indeed can't break it. Like I stated many times above, this does seem like a NLF, we could make a case for big characters like Galactus, Xavier, and Thanos, because it is indeed really stupid to believe beings like them with really OP mental resistance could be beaten by or couldn't break from tsukuyomi, even though they don't meet those 3 requirements. Goku, however, isn't one of those characters with OP mental resistance, feats, or strong evidential claims to back him up at all against these kind of attacks. Yes, he's a ssj, how's that helping him when he cannot break the jutsu by powering up? Again, his will power could help him endure it, not break it.

2. We didn't even see wtf kind of mental battle they had, plus those two were Gohan and Krillin, not Goku. Again, no feats, mental resistance to these kind of attacks, or strong evidential claims at all. You missed my post too, I stated that I didn't get how controlling ki=resistance to hax mental attacks, unless you got feats of course. How can you answer this?

3. You said it, it was a second time and Itachi let him be. This however is a first time for Goku, and I don't see why Itachi would let him be. Maybe he won't be hurt to Kakashi's/Sasuke's first time extent, but you already admitted he'll get hurt even if it's just a little, so yes case closed. And by that logic tsukuyomi would have ended already, therefore Goku never broke out.

4. Read 1, I won't repeat myself anymore.

You said it is different when it is not, you said it is not supposed to kill or hurt. And I showed you a scan that it can in fact kill or hurt and that the dreams can come true even prove my point even further. I know that it can turn them into a white zetsu and the only way she can do that is through the jutsu, so yes the genjutsu itself did do it laughing out loud. If you read what Black Zetsu said you would have seen where in the scans he said they were not going to kill them because Naruto feared they were going to killed them with the genjutsu, by absorbing their chakra, because you know, the genjutsu make the dreams of the wielder come true. And it used the tree to do it. You did not say anything about feats showing that it did. Come on.

  1. Thank you.
  2. No I am not making stuff up, you just said Naruto was about to break it by dispelling it, which is just powering up after stopping your chakra flow and I know that it is different from his other genjutsus. Must I go through this with you too? There are no requirements to breaking out of Itachi Tsukuyomi, Itachi lied. Just like how he lied about how to get Susanno. No Kakashi would have not done so because his chakra is low and so is his stamina, plus you said it yourself the jutsu is instant. so he would not know that he is in it, just like he did not know he was in it until Itachi told him, and that was all in a sec. So there is no suggestion that he cannot break out of it nor no other way for him to break out of it, said by @Randomsid. I just told you that as a Super Saiyajin he is already power up, which mean he do not need to power up because he already is, he just needs to stop his kee flow so that question have already been answered. His will power can help him break out of it, since it is his will power that he needs to see through the illusion or stop his kee flow. Most likely the latter.
  3. Yes we did see what kind of metal battle they had, and if Krillin and Gohan can do it then so can Goku. Again, show me feats that he cannot resist these kind of attacks. Goku heart virus physically and mentally torture him, if you want to count that. I did not miss your posted, Kee can work the same way chakra does, read post 2.
  4. Yes, I said it, Itachi did let him be, however Sasuke was not hurt by it for the second time even when Itachi let him be. He let Kakashi be and it still hurt Kakashi and put him in a bed for a week. So no it is not case closed. I am saying for Goku first time in it if Goku just endure it he wont need a bed. And I was only speaking of endurance in his mind. And he does not need to break out of it since it only last a sec in his world and 72 hours in his mind, with Goku training in all of his life that is nothing for Goku.
  5. Read 4 from my previous comment. Walks away from the conversation. Have your say, and this will end. I enjoy talking to you and discussing this debate with you.

Now you're just taking your own assumptions as facts. Goku having a stronger mind than Kakashi and Naruto is just YOUR assumption. And Holy cow! Infinite tsukuyomi is not the same as Itachi's tsukuyomi, FACT. How do you not understand this? Even if it was I.T. we were talking about here, Goku wouldn't even know he's trapped in it, because he would be having happy dreams about himself surpassing his own strength, and he would think it's real life.

How about you show me Goku mentally fighting/attacking one of his enemies in the series. Ginyu? Vegeta? Nappa? Cell? Frieza? Exactly, he doesn't have any feats of doing that, IT IS NOT his fighting style. And how would he stand a chance against an attack like tsukuyomi which he has never encountered before when that's not even his fighting style and he himself doesn't even have any feats? He CAN'T break it by willpower. If that was possible, Kakashi would have tried that, and if you know Naruto, you would know he has a very strong willpower, YET he couldn't break Itachi's finger genjutsu. And I already repeated like 3 or 4 times he could maybe endure it with FREAKING WILLPOWER, but there's definitely no way he can break it.

And you're also assuming that because Itachi "lied" about some other things he's also lying about this? NOT A FACT. All Naruto characters are featless when it comes to breaking Itachi's tsukuyomi by disrupting one's chakra, so what makes you think Goku who doesn't have any high end mental powers NOR does he have the only 3 things that were shown in the whole freaking series to help the victim against tsukuyomi can just break it by "stopping his ki flow"? No one in the series broke Itachi's tsukuyomi by disrupting their chakra (and he only used it 3 times), so you saying Goku can do it with his ki is your assumption too, NOT A FACT. Kakashi was very aware he was inside tsukuyomi, so I don't know what you're talking about. How would one not be aware when you're suffering what feels like 3 full days of constant stabbing? Even if Kakashi's chakra was abundant, he CAN'T break it, you're making that up. He was also trying to avoid it for a second time when he was with Naruto, Sakura, and Chiyo, which proves my point even further.

As for Sasuke not being damaged the second time, that should be pretty obvious. Itachi wasn't using it in the same manner as he did with Kakashi, 72 hours of nonstop stabbing. At least try to distinguish between the 3 different ways/times Itachi used it.

In the end, you proved nothing.

In the end, I proved everything.