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#1 Edited by TDK_1997 (14642 posts) - - Show Bio

@tparks said:

@tdk_1997 said:

@k4tzm4n: I was just pointing out that Batman doesn't need gagdets, what exactly do you mean?

Also the Talon just seemed like a better fighter to me than Shredder. Shredder has indeed gone up against the Turtles and Splinter but they are not as impressive as Dick Grayson or Batman.

Shredder has faced more then just Splinter and the Turtles, but what makes Dick Grayson or Batman any more skilled then Splinter and the combined forces of the Turtles? The Turtles rogues gallery is no longer a bunch of feat-less villains, they all have several issues dedicated to showing how skilled and/or powerful they are.

The Turtles have beaten characters like Alopex and Karai who are speedy and skilled.

They have also beaten characters like Slash who is a powerhouse tank.

Mikey and Leo alone took on Krang and had a pretty great fight with him, who is superhuman in strength, and has about a gajillion weapons built into his armor.

They've survived a confrontation with Bebop and Rocksteady who have the strength in one finger to KO a human without even trying, or send a person flying out of the room with a casual swing of an arm that was meant to be playful. They can also be stabbed with every weapon imaginable about 30 times each without showing any signs of it actually doing anything to them, or use their ridiculous strength to collapse a building for fun....while they are inside of it.

The turtles have also deflected bullets and lasers just as well as any other bullet/laser timer in comics.

With the amount of villains they have taken on and beaten, and the amount of physical showings that prove to be higher then most peak human characters, there is no reason IMO to still think that the IDW characters can't live up to the DC street level characters.

I am not denying the fact that the Turtles have beaten skilled characters or characters that are fast. The thing is that they are a four--men group while Batman handles people more skilled then both Karai and Alopex and has no problem with them.

Good for them for taking such powerful powerhouses. Batman has also done this like several times against villains like Bane and Clayface who are no pushovers and the Turtles would get destroyed by them. When Batman fought Bane he completely humiliated him in the end because he was thrashing him around, left and right and it ended with a K.O. And as you know Bane is a pretty big street-level powerhouse himself, he once killed 3 or 4(I can't remember correctly) Talons at the same time and demolished a team of Batman villains on his own venom, but in the end when he faced Batman he had nothing to do against him.

Bullet dodging and stuff like that ain't that impressive anymore in comic books. I mean almost every single character is able to achieve it and is just not that impressive.The Turtles do live up to some of the DC street-level characters but not Batman. They still have a lot to achieve before they are even a little close to what Batman is.

#2 Edited by TDK_1997 (14642 posts) - - Show Bio

@slimj87d said:

@tdk_1997: I think it's very close, the reason why I don't think Batman has a definite win over Steve is because Steve does something no Bat villain does, he throws that shield with extreme precision and makes it return to himself. He even tricked Spider-man, someone with pre-cognition that has much better stats that Cap.

Cap doesn't really have that issue with someone like Bruce. He's fought people that use tons of gadgets and tech like BP, hawkeye, etc. Not saying that he's immune to the gadgets either, that's where Bruce skill in using the gadgets come into play.

Bruce does have superior martial showings thanks to his large martial arts catalogue, but Steve does have the physicals.

This battle is Batman vs Deathstroke with morals, it's a close 50/50.

I also think this is a pretty close battle because both characters have similliar stats and track records. But the thing is that I can't see the shield being that much of a game changer. Yes, Cap throws the shield with amazing precision and a lot of force but the shield isn't anything Batman hasn't seen before and something that he cannot dodge. He has gone up against those kinds of competitors outside his rogues gallery and he has had problems with them but he has overcame them.

The gagdets will be in a lot of help but not throughout the whole battle, so everything Bruce needs to do is unarm Steve at a certain point and use some of his gadgets or some martial arts blow. Steve has dealt with people with gadgets but I wouldn't say that Hawkeye any impressive things up in his sleeve compared to what Batman has.

Back in the day the physicals would've been a problem for Bruce since people like Jean-Paul Valley,Deathstroke and Bane were a problem for him but now in the New 52 not so much. A few months back Batman completely destroyed Bane who was on Venom and managed to put down at least 10 Batman Rogues on Venom and was thrashing Talons left and right. So I won't say that Steve's physicals would be that much of a problem.


#3 Posted by TDK_1997 (14642 posts) - - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n: I was just pointing out that Batman doesn't need gagdets, what exactly do you mean?

Also the Talon just seemed like a better fighter to me than Shredder. Shredder has indeed gone up against the Turtles and Splinter but they are not as impressive as Dick Grayson or Batman.

#4 Posted by TDK_1997 (14642 posts) - - Show Bio

To the people who say Batman's gadgets give him an edge, I can't really think of any gadgets he could use to beat Saki. I mean, the dude's a NINJA, so smokebombs actually help in the stealth department and throwing batarangs wouldn't help because of his reflexes. Magnets would effect Bats as well, so that's a disadvantage for both of them, and the taser shouldn't be able to pirce the Shredder's armor, right? All i'm saying is that this comes down to HTH combat, honed reflexes, and stealth prowess, and it takes four genetically altered reptiles who've been practicing ninjutsu for fifteen years (TMNT 2003, they're fifteen) to even slow down the Shredder in most encounters. If Bats doesn't have a plan, like, Z, Shredder takes this IMO.

Batman doesn't even need to use his gadgets. I mean he can if he wants to but the thing is that he wouldn't have to. He can take the majority in the fight with only raw strenght, a great plan and lots of usage of his skills. He has defeated an opponent who seems to rival Shredder (Talon) while being psychologically tortured and in a pretty bad physical state, and yet he embarassed him in front of the Court to a state in which he was useless. I do think that Batman can pull off the same things against Shredder as well, nothing is stopping him.

#5 Posted by TDK_1997 (14642 posts) - - Show Bio

It depends on the type of leader you want. I would most definitely follow Batman into a fight because he would come up with a plan that will guarantee us the win.

#6 Posted by TDK_1997 (14642 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozen said:

@lvenger: Okay, I'll write a new post.

Do it and show them how it's done! :)

#7 Edited by TDK_1997 (14642 posts) - - Show Bio

From what I've seen from Shredder I can say that he is nothing impressive. He may be the best in his own universe and to be a person that everyone is afraid of but Batman ain't like that. Shredder has pulled off some good feats but for every feat he has Batman has at least two that are better and indicate that Batman is better than Shredder. His strenght,speed,durability and skills are, all, superior to Shredder's and those are one of the few things that will give Bruce the edge.

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#9 Posted by TDK_1997 (14642 posts) - - Show Bio

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@tdk_1997 said:

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#10 Posted by TDK_1997 (14642 posts) - - Show Bio

@entropy_aegis: People love sh*t like that! It seems like Millar will always find work as long as people continue to be themselves and like stuff like that. I mean who wouldn\t read 22 pages of Wonder Woman get raped.......everyone would read it!