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@toplel: And even with Waid, WW's characterization was bit off in KC, leading him to later admit that he didn't understand the character in an interview to Gail Simone, rather using her as a plot device.

On a slightly different note, evidently we have a delusional pretentious deliverer amongst us, displaying all properties of it.

@toplel: What is bizarre and a telltale is how Johns writes it, it is as if he doesn't even want to do it. And this is a guy who in his successful Superman run had really flushed out Lois-Clark's complex relationship. Even in his Aquaman run Arthur-Mera's poignant romance is the core of the story. I know this is the JL title, and romance shouldn't be the priority, but come on, even as a sub-plot there was scope and chances to develop it.

Then again, what is to develop if there is nothing solid to put a foundation on.

@vance_astro: And luck favors the smarter individuals.

Must be nice, for some people, that delusion of grandeur.

Also, WW with heels... right!

Dick. Because he came out unscathed after his stint with Bruce. No long lasting trauma, all limbs are in working condition. He's an emotionally rounded character, and arguably Bruce's greatest success as Batman, definitely as a father figure.

One of the better things Marvel did is to set up their characters well in their cartoons back in nineties. While 2 to 4 % at tops of movie going audience have ever picked up a comic, you can bet majority of the same demographic are familiar with the cartoons shows, and the characters they portrayed. So people, even if they never read a comic about them, have an understanding who the Fantastic Four are, who are part of Spiderman mythos, who is Hulk, who is Thor, who is Silver Surfer, who are X Men, who is Wolverine. Yes some of them were misses after transition, as well as some were hit, but nevertheless, the groundwork was there for them to foster upon.

DC's cartoons served the same purpose, but with a bit more creative license than Marvel's. While it did give the writers an opportunity to add their own flavors to the characters, it also diverted the characters from main continuity. Previously obscure characters become more famous than the heroes of the title. And that preconception hasn't changed till date.

Going forward with Hal Jordon in Green Lantern, was not a good decision. Most didn't have any notion who he is, I remember watching the trailer on Youtube, and reading the comment section. The common question was, 'why is he Caucasian?'

So I would go with DCU lineup (somewhat):

Batman

Wonder Woman

Superman

Wally West

John Stewart

Martian Manhunter.

With Arthur as antagonist in the first movie.

Get Lois Lane to sucker punch him, and stop writing him altogether.

Some people do not have the full perception. I don't have personal problems against them starting afresh with Lois and Clark, because this is what it inevitably is. Soule basically hinted at it in his blog, that this should be considered a stepping stone for both characters, for them to grow beyond their present emotional spectrum, and turn out as better individuals when this is done. The idea sounds intriguing. But only it isn't.

Superman has four titles being churned out weekly, monthly, not counting JL, and Superman / Batman and all the other shenanigans. What readership they are loosing with the relationship in Action comics and Superman solo (and they are loosing a lot), they are making up with Unchained, and Smallville (spectacularly so, Unchained for three months running, selling more than even Batman, another Snyder title. It had the top spot in June and July. Only in August it was pushed to second place by the debuting Infinity). But even among those loss, they are maintaining that curve of readership, the shippers. With Superman they had found a way to keep everyone happy, and it's working to an extent. And for that, I am really curious to see what they do when Unchained ends.

Wonder Woman doesn't have that luxury. Anyone who wishes to read something, anything beyond the solo comic, they are getting their faces buried into this nonsense. Azz's run is not without faults, but in JL she is virtually the slim, sexy, rage monster, who is dating Superman. No, correction, whom Superman is dating.

They could have gone with anyone, literally anyone, to serve as the other half of this indeterminate romance, Lana Lang, that mermaid, heck, even Maxima, but they went with her. What a way to treat the fourth most iconic character in DC, after Bruce, Clark, and yes, Lois.

When I wrote the Twilight remark, Daniel's words weren't even in my mind. Separately, for me it is actually one of the worst romance I've ever read. Bland, forceful, no chemistry whatsoever. I labored through Twilight a while ago, and this, this read worse.

Superman mythos, without Lois, is just incomplete, it is as soulless as Batman mythos would be without Alfred. But she's much, much more. She's the definitive woman's icon from modern literature, her relationship with Clark is the definitive relationship of modern literature. Diana, as 'godly' she is, just cannot compete with that. She shouldn't have to compete with that. Everytime it has happened, Diana has come up with the short end of the sticks. From being a Nazi, to being put in what can be discerned as slave's costume.Except arguably for Act of God, but that was horrible in it's own right.

Comparing Lois-Clark relationship to Twilight is laughably incorrect.

Murphy's work, hands down! The texture, the bikes, the characters, and plus, we get Supes at the back!

Some 'people' didn't get the memo apparently, the world did end on 21st Dec. And this IS the limbo. Otherwise we wouldn't have gotten that one romance, the singular, reprehensible, bland trash about which it can safely said, 'a love story worse than Twilight'.