@gokuwarrior: overrated because no matter how popular he is,doesn't mean they should trash other characters allowing him to beat even god you know what i mean?there is a logic at a certain degree,he is human and struggles with human opponents,you can't tell me that seeing him one shotting aquaman,manhunter,etc it's believable,he can beat certain powerhouses with enough pre time,that's good,
Err, that doesn't really constitute what people generally consider as 'overrated.' The term generally distinguishes something about which people 'have a higher opinion of (someone or something) than is deserved'. And Batman, with the number of great stories to boot, with mass, and critical appreciation, iconic main lead, and iconic side characters, one of the most mythical and memorable setting more than deserves what he has become now. That was my original point to begin with.
I think what you're looking for is 'mistreatment', or 'pedestaling', tangibly. But I'm not sure.As for the part with 'god', again I'm not sure what you are ascribing to godhood, but nevertheless, here is the thing, the most popular trope in fantasy, or any genre fiction for that matter, is the 'victory of the underdog.' In a confrontation where ON PAPER, the more powerful one should win every time, but it's the relatively weaker, the underdog, the dark horse winning in the practical application, it's as common as salt water.To use a biblical analogy, in reality, Goliath should have won over David, time after time. Why couldn't he just duck, or lift his shield, or even wore a helm. But because it's fiction, David triumphed. And admittedly he triumphed also because he represented the 'us' of the story, beating the 'them'.
Reality has nothing to do with fiction, particularly fantasy fiction. It's writer's choice to apply as much he chooses to, the rest is make belief. I think the sheer fact that Batman spinoffs such as Nightwing and Batgirl having better sale figures than WW and The Flash is telling in itself. Who are the 'us', and who are the 'them' have gotten clearly accentuated. It's a moot point though, as I said, it's the writer's prerogative, Bruce or Clark have been on this side of embarrassment enough times. in different media, with different writers pedestaling the characters they were writing at the time, or if it's JL, any ABCD character. And personally? I find that to be okay. Because again, it's the writer's prerogative.
but there is a limit,when they make it seem like he can take down anyone and anything on the universe with pre,it is ridiculous,he has come to a level of hyped by some fans,where DC turned him into a god disguised as a human that has plot armor allowing him to beat anyone,even one shotting bricks because they are afraid to make him look bad by letting him lose a fight,even if he is fighting darksied,or superman,wonder woman or god,all because of the hype that he has nowdays,and i don't agree with that,i love batman as the human,the genius,the martial artist,the detective,the vigilante,but don't like him in those stories where they turn him into a being that can solve anything in the universe,take 100 tonners down with a punch and all that trash,so again,he is great and popular,but being popular shouldn't be a reason to make him beat powerhouses in a random fight just because he is more popular than them and everyone else,that hyped is not a good thing.
No, there isn't, there really, really isn't any limit. If a story is written that shows, he has brought down a god (whatever falls into that description), or Supes, or WW, or Darkseid, prep or no prep, if the story is engaging, the plot well defined, great characterization, then I see no problem whatsoever with it. Same as say, if I see in a story Aquaman saving the universe, when the rest of JL have become useless, and he somehow has managed to outwit Lucifer Morningstar? If that story meets the previously mentioned criteria, I'll accept it with equally open mind.
I'll take not mentioning the connection between popularity and product outlet as agreement. As for popularity and that leading to somehow him beating other characters, here I agree. Specially when My point was never to the contrary. But as I said, if that meets those criteria, I'm definitely sold to the idea, as I'd be with any other superhero.
And the hype? Tis earned my friend, through Adam Wests, and George Clooneys, not an apple that fell into the Batlap.