I was just using that panel as an example because I think it's an especially epic one, but there were plenty of others that were more subtle. Certainly during the outback era Wolverine was chiefly Storm's confidant, but to a level of familiarity where they ere often seen talking together in, say, the bathroom. As you say, it's all really speculative, but for me it still holds more water then her completely unmentioned history with the Panther, that's all.
I hear you. It all is rather moot because more often than not it seems like logic and continuity be damned when it comes to comics (and lets not mention how many spin-off characters and titles that are just like the original). Its like they get in a meeting and say to each other "lets just write what sounds good..." which really gets on my nerves. I guess they figure that we will buy it anyway. I will probably stop reading all but a few select books because I just can't take it for too much longer. After about 30 or so years of being addicted to comics I am going to have to go rehab. Bah Humbug!
you are @old(and correctamundo)nightcrawler- so sweet the way you school the youngins
Thanks for the "youngin" compliment I haven't been called that in a while but I know a little sum-um, sum-um myself (check my post above). When you read a lot of books through the years sometimes things slip your memory. As the song/saying goes, and I am not intending this statement towards you or anyone else, "I forgot more than you'll ever know." ;-)
I'm not going to say you're entirely wrong, but it wasn't completely BS. Storm and Wolverine were written to be intimate enough to imply such a relationship back in the mid to late 80's, encouraging 25 years worth of fan speculation on the idea. So, he sort of just brought the idea back from a more obscure era. To me, that exhibits a more subtle depth of understanding in regards to the characters histories than, say, the retroactive continuity that established that Storm and the Panther had known each other before either one of them had ever appeared in a comic book, since, y'know, they both lived in Africa.
you are @old(and correctamundo)nightcrawler- so sweet the way you school the youngins
Ahhhh but B.P./Storm's relationship had been alluded to long before this shared kiss of the (original Grace Jones looking Storm/Wolverine). When John Byrne was drawing the Uncanny X-men (and possibly writing it). B.P. and Storm came across each other and the author said that they new each other (but not to what extent) long ago. In truth I had forgotten about this intimacy probably because I did not think much of it other than two friends kissing during what might have been their final moments. But I do see how he could build on this but a kiss doesn't mean romance since we see a lot of kisses like this that don't mean much. I remember another kiss that they shared after this one which was more of a levity thing. If we look at the Storm/Akron's kiss and clear statement of their romance and the Forge/Storm romance there is no speculation needed. In light of this you would have to consider Storm/Wolverine love along the same lines of how you consider B.P./Storm's relationship as "retroactive continuity."
And putting two famous black characters together in the first place for no other reason than them being black wasn't WIS?
If that were the sole reason than yes but since I know their history together I'm inclined to believe that is not the reason. But its nice to hear that you agree with me in that their breakup was WIS. I like Jason Aaron as a writer and Wolverine. But it seems like J.A. broke up Storm and B.P. just so he could write that (ahem... silly) Date Night story and make up some BS about Wolverine and Storm having dated in the past or even worse (just had crazy sex a lot).
Plus the way Wolverine's relationships and luck with women go he is going to get her killed. As you know all his women end up dead. I would hate to see Storm get killed. ;-) Also Storm and BP are a couple of my favorite characters at least the non-Grace Jones looking Storm) ;-)
I can't help but feel like that's exactly why Marvel put this book together, so that's cool. I'm mostly just excited to see an Avengers team with Photon, Falcon, She-Hulk, Spider-man (all of whom I consider favorites), and especially Blue Marvel (who I don't know that much about, but have heard enough to be interested in).
It does interest me to see characters like Falcon and especially Luke Cage together on the same team, as too often it feels like these characters are just on teams as the black guy (even when writers seem to be trying to avoid it), and that sort of bugged me.
I too don't know much about Blue Marvel but I believe he is an Omega level character which I like because I don't know if they had any black characters like that. I just hope this book is good and if not I hope Marvel will try another creative team before cancelling it. I got my fingers crossed (I was hurt to see the Black Panther series get cancelled again).
Don't forget Rage probably one of the most blatant. I dont really see Black Lightning as a problem.
Let's see, stereotypical thinking, lack of thinking outside what is seen in the media, not enough black writers, not enough black readers (or any other readers) making enough noise about things like this, continuing to buy comic book titles that dont have a good black representation.
I have been a comic reader for about 30 years and I am addicted but I have found myself reluctantly buying less titles because they dont have a good black representation. It is really sad when there is a group of Superheros and not one black person or when you see a cover and there happens to be one black person in the group but he/she is almost never on the cover.
I like the book it is a good storyline and enjoyable, a nice change up. Althoug,h Peter Parker as Spiderman is one of my favorite characters period. He gets on my nerve sometimes with the woe is me thing kind of like the Silver Surfer (although the Silver Surfer is 100 times worse.
While I dont mind Wanda, I whole-heartedly agree with the Sentry thing. The Sentry is the worst Superman imatation, wanna be ever. If I never saw him again I would be happy. Someone pulled the Sentry out of their rear end and then to make him Hulk's best friend (WWH) absolute garbage. While I liked the way Age of Ultron started out I stopped reading it after Cage died (not enough black characters). But I would have to say Secret Invasion was the worst for me. It seemed like he had his hand in too many other things and just put anything in that book to get it done. But in general I am a Bendis fan and will give anything he writes a chance. I liked what he did with Cage though and it is probably because being a black man (so I'm biased) it is good to see black characters take the forefront.
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