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Brainiac's telepathy affected 100% of the planet in the L.E.G.I.O.N. Annual No. 1. The reason why he only managed to mind-control 1/3 of the population, and TP kill/KO the other 2/3 is because of Vril Dox who is a 12th level intellect. Brainiac sensed that something was unusual about their resistance to his powers when he wondered out loud. 'Saving them from the Tyrants does not explain why 2 out of every 3 would rather perish than proclaim me ruler of Colu!' Later, it is discovered by Lyrissa Mallor that when Brainiac's son had freed Colu from the Computer Tyrants, he programmed Colu with an enhanced charisma program of himself that made Coluans fiercely loyal to him. Vril Dox and Brainiac were dueling each other with the population of Colu. Moreover, the tug-of-war was over the minds of a planet with an average I.Q. of 160, or 8th level intellect. For reference, Earth has an average I.Q. of 90. Also, you just glossed over the fact that Brainiac mind-controlled Lobo. This is the same guy that the Neural Djinn, and the Blackrock failed to control.

Again, in 'Dead Again' Brainiac made 100% of the planet think that Superman's corpse was in a coffin all the way from New Genesis while he was faking a coma. Could Maxwell Lord pull planetary-wide mind tricks from another dimension? The delusion wasn't isolated to Centennial Park either. The front page of the Daily Planet showed a picture of an empty coffin, but everyone was seeing a dead body when they picked up the paper. Emil Hamilton and the scientists at S.T.A.R. Labs were collecting data on the Superman corpse with their instruments, and all the files that they had collected just disappeared when the illusion ended. By the way, when Brainiac woke up from his 'coma', an army of New Gods led by the Forever People, Orion and Lightray came after him but he AOE mind-zapped them all unconscious. Given that Mother Boxes have proven to be effective psi-blockers, this just adds to his resume.

You're allowed to bring up the feats of people that Wonder Woman has resisted as proof, but I'm not allowed to bring up the feats of people that Maxima has defeated? Is that how this works?

On the topic of relevancy, Maxima was the one who turned Brainiac into a lobotomized vegetable in the first place in 'Panic In The Sky'. The New Gods took what was left of Brainiac to New Genesis for safe keeping, but it was revealed that he had managed to secretly regenerate and come out of his catatonic state during 'Dead Again'.

Maxima also defeated Hank King by psycho-analyzing him in battle. At first, she led a fight between her finest psychic disciples and Hank's Ego Warriors on the astral plane. Maxima ended up being the last Almeracian standing. However, once she perceived that the ghostly presence of Hank's dead father in his mind was actually his own feelings of guilt, she pointed this out and defeated him.

Defeating these two powerful telepaths are some of Maxima's feats. Obviously, discussing Hank's and Brainiac's feats as evidence to demonstrate just how powerful they are as foes is relevant to this discussion. You wouldn't be trying so hard to low-ball them otherwise because they bolster Maxima's other feat of mind-controlling Wonder Woman.

Brainiac has mind-controlled 1/3 of the population of Colu while telepathically knocking out the other 2/3. In addition, Lobo and Telepath were in the group that Brainiac had mind-controlled. Or, there's his feat in 'Dead Again' when he convinced everyone on Earth that Superman's corpse was in a coffin at the base of the Superman statue in Centennial park. While faking a coma on New Genesis, Brainiac had people on Earth thinking that the real resurrected Superman was an impostor.

As for Hank King, he has the ability to process all of the Earth's minds in the span of a sentence. In Steve Engleheart's Millennium crossover, Hank used his planetary-wide telepathic power to identify and locate remaining human sleeper agents among Manhunter forces. He has the same range that an amped Max Lord does, but without the nosebleeds. Hank has also done things like crumble the wisdom of Solomon, and make Captain Marvel turn back into Billy Batson by making him say 'Shazam!' against his will.

Your assertion without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. The only thing explained in Justice League America Annual No. 6, is that Eclipso had a plan to capture all the members of the JLA by capturing J'onn. Instead, Maxima came across Eclipso's path first in the form of an eclipsed Starman, and he could sense her anger on the heels of finding herself in an apparent triangle with Wonder Woman and Superman. The resentment made Maxima more susceptible to the Heart of Darkness. As soon as Maxima had been possessed, Eclipso's words were, 'I feared the Martian's absence would stall my plans...but the powers of this body are incredible! The powers of this mind...intoxicating!"

I don't think you want to go down this road, because the only evidence that Wonder Woman had the 'Eyes of Pallas' upgrade in the past has long since vanished when Athena died. When Diana got the upgrade from the Grey-Eyed Goddess, Diana's eyes turned grey in Wonder Woman #217 under Greg Rucka. When Gail Simone took over Wonder Woman in the 'Rise of the Olympian' story arc, Athena was killed in Wonder Woman #27. Athena didn't stay dead though and came back as a black woman in Wonder Woman #31. However, Wonder Woman's eyes have gone back to being blue ever since. And of course, Maxwell Lord mind-controlled her 1 year later in Generation Lost just fine.

If 'Willfully ignoring' so far amounts to me not buying your warping of what happened to Wonder Woman on panel against Maxima, and you severely low-balling Hank King and Brainiac, then guilty as charged.

Maxwell Lord had an extreme amp to achieve Hank King and Brainiac planetary type feats, yes. In other words, in Maxima's ballpark.

Eclipso doesn't have a power amplifying skill. He controls his host's powers when he possesses them. The only 'amping' Eclipso does as a manifestation of God's wrath is when he bypasses the host character's morals and harnesses their anger. Maxima wouldn't mind-control Wonder Woman otherwise, because they're friends.

Athena's upgrade or not, Maxwell Lord eventually came back to life after 'Sacrifice', and erased Wonder Woman's mind in the 'Generation Lost' story arc.

Maxima should have no problem using her telepathic powers on Wonder Woman if she's using them like she did when she one-shotted Orion unconscious.

No way is Storm going to get the first move on an opponent that's in Sentry's or Jay Garrick's ballpark for reaction times. Before Ororo's synapses fire, Maxima could TK her head right off her shoulders.

Maxima still has interstellar teleportation. Storm gets sent to the gravity well of Antares.

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@lvenger:It's proof however that Maxima's psi bolts can be staved off by Superman and his telepathic resistance is fairly dodgy. Compared to Hulk's who has repeatedly withstood mind control from planetary telepaths including Charles Xavier and Xemnu. Maxima won't be affecting him anymore with her mental attacks than her physical attacks.

Since your response to being challenged on lowballing Maxima's strength and durability is to try and shift the ground and lowball Maxima's mental attacks, I'll take that as a concession on your part. Or, perhaps you were still going to make the case that OWAW Superman also wouldn't be able to affect World War Hulk with physical attacks and you hadn't gotten around to it yet.

That being said, let's entertain your idea that 'Maxima won't be affecting [Hulk] anymore with her mental attacks' and see how 'reliant on context' this claim is to use one of your phrases. In addition to dropping Orion, Maxima has mind-fragged two notable planetary level telepaths: Brainiac and Hank King.

Brainiac from the post-crisis era was capable of mind controlling everyone on the L.E.G.I.O.N. roster in L.E.G.I.O.N. Annual No. 1. The roster back then included Telepath, another good psionic character in his own right, and Lobo. In fact, the Milton Fine, green skinned version of Brainiac from the 90s is the only character who has gotten the best of Lobo telepathically. See Superman & Batman No. 32 and Lobo No. 58 for some Lobo mental resistance feats that surpass and rival J'onn. In any case, while Brainiac was mind controlling L.E.G.I.O.N.'s whole roster, he got into a telepathic duel with Vril Dox over the entire population of the planet Colu. Vril had a powerful charisma program running that made the Coluans follow him at a mere suggestion, but Brainiac was able to mind control 2/3 of the population away from him. As for the other 1/3 of Colu's population, Brainiac mind-whammied them unconscious for not bending to his will.

By the way, Brainiac is also the guy who knocked out Metron during the 'Panic In The Sky' crossover, and is one of 3 mentalists who have been able to mind-control Doomsday. No, J'onn is not one of those 3 mentalists. As far as Maxima goes, she turned Brainiac into a drooling vegetable at the end of 'Panic In The Sky'.

Hank King is the other planetary scale level telepath that Maxima has beaten. Hank has done things like mind scan Earth's whole population looking for sleeper agent Manhunters at the end of the Millenium crossover and actually managed to identify the Harlequin among the handful who were left for DC's who's who list of heroes to mop up. Hank has also gotten Captain Marvel to revert back to Billy Batson by crumbling the wisdom of Solomon, and making him say 'Shazam'.

With regards to this thread, I have yet to see anything convincing from the Hulk side that Maxima couldn't just mind-frag the Hulk before he got really angry, or even try and finesse it on an astral level like she did against Hank.

But Mother Box has actively defended Orion against certain telepathic attacks on other occasions.

What other time has someone tried to pull a Maxima type mind-frag on Orion?

Superman pulling out Batman pressure point attacks on Maxima during OWAW is like how he fought Commander Gor during World of New Krypton. Not only that, he used x-ray vision on her for placement.

"MMH has easily breached Orion's mind too for starters and there have been instances where Orion's Mother Box has protected him from telepathic attacks. Yet it wasn't active when Maxima attacked him."

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Orion's mother box is always active when he wears it.

Perhaps if the way you discussed things didn't resemble a cat chasing a laser pointer, you would make more sense.

The fact is, we've seen Savage Hulk function and talk in space before...only to have those instances followed up with him either admitting or going unconscious because of lack of air. It's comics.

If people want to point out scans of World War Hulk functioning in space without an oxygen mask, and ignore the rest of his publishing history where it's iffy, that's fine. Even if you go that route, I haven't seen anyone on the Hulk side in this thread put forward a convincing argument for Hulk taking down Maxima. There's other ways to defeat World War Hulk who is slower, cannot fly, and does not have the ranged attacks.