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Cassandra can apparently outrun bullets. Wolverine tends to barrel through them. Giving this one to Batgirl.
It's difficult here to say if it was because of her speed she's doing it or if it's her ability to predict her opponents attacks but still she's fast but against wolverine I don't know because him too he has shown great feat of speed if it was Laura i would give it to Laura she is faster than Cassandra but for Logan is difficult to say because of his metal bones which is heavy by the way and it means Logan need to use huge amount of strength to move so fast it's just incredible and him not dodging bullets doesn't actually mean he can't it's just that he doesn't care because it' minor to him.
I actually challenge anyone on this thread to prove to me somehow that Shredder will defeat Elektra. bring it on.
Shredder wins here for one big reason: reincarnation.
IDW's TMNT has a pretty big focus on reincarnation. All of the turtles, Splinter, and Shredder have been reincarnated into the bodies we see them in each month. This was a brilliant idea from Kevin Eastman and the rest of his crew. Reincarnation explains why all of these characters are such expert martial artists even though their current bodies have only been around for a short amount of time.
For example, Raph was rescued by his brothers from Old Hob off of the streets. When they bring him home, he starts his ninja training and instantly is a master of his martial art form and even bests his brothers who have been practicing for 2 years.
- Raph begins ninja training and instantly recalls his abilities from his previous life and is able to best his brothers.
The reason Raph was able to do this is because all of his past life's abilities and skills are ingrained in his new body. Reincarnation in the IDW universe has all of the past life's abilities and skills retained in the reincarnated body. This is why Mikey can read Japanese, why the turtle's have their favorite colors, why they have such a close bond with Splinter as a father figure, and why Shredder is such a beast.
Shredder is currently in his third life time. In all of his life times, he has been the top martial artist in IDW's universe. The only one who could possibly match him is Shredder. That's three lifetimes of experience compared to Elektra's one lifetime. She could never hope to have as much training or experience as Shredder has.
Shredder has the feats to back this up in all of his lifetimes too. For example, here he is as Takeshi Tatsuo in his first lifetime.
- These scans show Shredder as Takeshi Tatsuo. He is attacked by legions of samurai warriors. He is able to kill every single one of them completely on his own.
This feat is absolutely amazing. Elektra has nothing to show that she is capable of this. Shredder has the skills to kill an entire army completely on his own. Tatsuo then goes on to take control of the Foot Clan by force and turn them into a very powerful clan of ninjas. This is probably enough to show that Shredder will win this fight, but he does have 2 other lifetimes, so I might as well keep going.
In his second lifetime, he was born as Oroku Saki. Again, he claims control of the Foot Clan by slaughtering everyone in his path and proving that he is still the best martial artist in the IDW universe for a second time.
- Here's a small taste of his life as Oroku Saki on his path to take control of the Foot Clan again. He is ambushed by four Foot ninjas. He cuts the first two down with one swing, and then takes the next two out immediately after with ease.
In his most current incarnation, he has been resurrected by his grand daughter, Karai. He again has taken control of the Foot Clan and is the top martial artist in the IDW universe He now goes by the name of Shredder and has brought of all his skills and abilities into his new body, that is arguably stronger and faster then his previous two bodies because of the mutagens of the ooze used to resurrect him. This has not been confirmed by IDW, but he seems to have abilities that extend beyond peak human on several occasions.
For example, Shredder is able to take on all four turtles at the same time and best them. The only time he lost to them was when he saw the leadership qualities in Leo that Karai was lacking. Shredder let the turtles escape so he could later capture Leo and turn him into his new Chunin as Dark Leo. The turtles all are with out a doubt superhuman. They have feats that put them in the 8-10 ton range and they are some of the best bullet/laser/arrow timers, dodgers, and deflectors in comics. A lot of versions of the Turtles have them only at peak human or maybe just above, but IDW has given them have some great physicals (and I couldn't be happier). I have a boatload of scans and feats of the turtle's to prove that they are indeed superhuman, but I don't want to fill this thread with a bunch of turtle scans.
Anyways, Shredder is able to easily man-handle the turtles, who are able to take on characters like Slash and even pack enough punch to hurt him.
- Here is Shredder easily taking on all four turtles at the same time. The turtles were not holding back like they do with a lot of opponents either. Shredder had captured Splinter and almost killed him, so the Turtles had very loose morals when it came to fighting the Shred-head.
Shredder also has the strength to easily hold someone off the ground with only one hand around their throats. This his go-to-evil-villain-maneuver, he's kind of like Vader without the force.
- These scans show him easily holding Raph, Leo, and Casey Jones with only one hand by the neck (Casey definitely had the worst of the bunch).
So I would argue that Shredder easily takes this in strength over Elektra. He is also able to counter and break through defenses of all the turtles who have laser speed reflexes. He is able to hurt and put down the Turtles who have tanked shots from the incredibly strong Slash and Krang in his armored suit. I know Elektra has some good physicals, but I don't think she can match what these characters are doing.
The argument I always see with the new TMNT series charters (Shredder included) is that they don't have enough feats or feats against elite level characters that Marvel and DC have to be considered serious martial artists. I can see where this is coming from if people haven't been following the entire series, but I could not disagree enough with this argument. The IDW TMNT has been around for a decent run now. They are currently 27 issues in their ongoing, but there is much more then just this. There are currently 8 microseries issues, 4 Secret History of the Foot Clan issues, 7 villains issues, 2 Infestation 2 crossover issues, and an Annual. That brings their issue count up to 49. That's a lot of comics and definitely enough to get a pretty good idea of these characters, and so far it's been nothing but top tier ninja combat.
On top of the abundance of issues there are now, there are also some very talented and powerful characters. Slash, Bebop, and Rocksteady are powerhouses that can rumble with anyone. Karai and Alopex both have some amazing ninja feats. Karai might be making a move on top tier archery feats at levels of Green Arrow and Hawkeye. Krang and Baxter Stockman are the two resident geniuses of the universe. Stockman creates superhuman mutants like it's going out of style and Krang has tech and armored suits that Tony Stark would take a second glance at. Then there are the turtles and Splinter who don't need anymore explanation. There is one thing that all of these very powerful and very skilled street level characters have in common: they all fear Shredder.
I kind of went on a rant, but that is because I know someone would make the same claims there always is with the new TMNT: not enough feats and not enough feats against high level characters. Anyone who has been closely following the series knows this isn't true anymore. A year ago I would have been saying the same thing, but a lot has happened for Shredder in the past year, and these claims do not hold water anymore.
- Shredder has been the best martial artist in a universe filled with ninjas for three lifetimes. This does not bode well for Elektra who is a ninja.
- All of Shredder's past lives give him way more experience and mastery of martial arts abilities then Elektra could never hope to match.
- The current body of Shredder has showings that flirt with superhuman and is definitely above Elektra's physicals.
- Shredder takes on superhuman characters with ease
- Shredder has never lost a fight, the closest he's had to losing is stalemating with Splinter. The only loss he has ever had is with the turtles. He let the turtles escape because he decided during this fight that he wanted Leo as his Chunin, so that can not be described as a loss.
- IDW's universe is no longer in it's infancy. It is going strong with characters that could take on characters from both Marvel and DC. The argument that Shredder can't win because he doesn't face the caliber of characters in Marvel or DC is no longer applicable.
@tparks very good job. Yeah this is better i can see Shredder fan are awake now those feats are good very good I want more this gives more credit to Shredder skills.
Right now my vote goes to elektra the shredder fan are sleeping their is not much of his skills show here yet please convince me otherwise I know Elektra better but I don't want to vote in a rush so i am still waiting for Thursday night to cast my vote but the Elektra fan are winning me over for the mean time. Shredder fan????? show me better feats
Agreed, with his sets of powers they should make him face more cosmic being even more powerful than him which will make him show how powerful he can be. I want a superman who is facing being who can make him doubt about his power like He'l did. They have merge the wildstorm universe with DC he can now face the Dhran who are very powerful aliens or even the kherubim it will at least improve the superman engoing because up to now it has been a waist at least superman enchained gives me hope please Dc even wonder woman who has one engoing is beating all the superman title combine
Hummmm this will be difficult for me to vote I know more about Elektra than Shredder comics version I watch only the animated version from the 80ties and he was a joke so I will wait until Thursday night before casting my vote please guys try to convince me on one and whitout insult I beg you
Hummmm this will be difficult for me to vote I know more about Elektra than Shredder comics version I watch only tye animated version from the 80ties and he was a joke so I will wait intil Thursday night before casting my vote please guys try to convince me on one and no insult I beg you