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Actually this is junk that sold to make trashy romance novels or teenage romance. Real healthy relationships are based on equality and trust and respect. Batman/Wonder Woman shipping was based on WW chasing after a guy who did not give her the time of day. A man treat you as if you a bother to him and his mission and let's not forget he was quick to tell Catwoman ( who takes no crap from Bats btw) he loved her while WW came off pathetic. SM and WW are equals who have similar goals but quite different approaches. She is the daughter of Zeus, but she was raised a warrior and princess from a different culture...he's the son of farmers, a reporter and very much calls earth his adopted home. They are different. But they have enough they share together to make them connect and value what each other care about. BM/WW shipping did zero for WW. Similarly what has Orion contributed to her other than piss her off? It should not be a woman's task to put up with difficult behavior from men. There is this unrealistic notion, that is typical of stories bouncing around here they try to sell you the foolish idea you can change a bad boy so put up with his crap. I don't think there is anything romantic about that. WW and any woman should be in a relationship where she can gain a partner to make her happy, feel connected, or even if he challenges her it is to help her grow and should be in a respectful manner. So far all you have been going on as far as I see is that Diana should be with these stupid jerks because they behave badly. No other reason. You want to drag in strength and godhood as and when it suits you. WW is a feminist icon and it should be about sending a powerful message to men and women. The person you are with should value you as you value yourself.

Aren't appreciation threads for appreciation and not for trolls to come and shout down how much they hate something? It's kinda dickish to do.

Taylor calls it her convictions. I get it is AU but WW to behave like this manipulative, cold hearted, and aggressive war monger overnight? In Red Son she was working under a different regime, in Kingdom come it took her years and the world becoming darker, losing her royal station to become angrier and militant. Nothing can justify this extreme depiction. I guess they need an evil fall guy...girl for everyone to hate. I mean poor poor little Superman. He lost everything and now WW is pulling his strings. No it's not his fault. He lost lois and his baby and his city...your heart has to bleed. But Diana is the she devil taking away his restraint...ie corrupting him. Wow is this WW or Maxima we talking here? Taylor tries to show the other heroes true to their core but he was writing Diana off key from day one.

I'm glad to hear that debunked too. But I have to say I want to see how Lobdell does address this involvement as he calls it. Is he going to treat Diana like a piece of meat as well? You know, Wonder Woman is suddenly just used to either break Trevor's heart or get her ass slapped by a jerk or now maybe some time wasting for Superman. His Clark so far seems to spend a heck of a lot of his time mooning over Lois Lane so you know as much as I loathe the very idea of Diana with that dickish Orion...if Clark ( DC ) is using Diana for triangle nonsense...then the faster Diana dumps him the better. I like Lobdell's Superman. It's got fresh ideas and Clark when he is not mooning like a fool, is a witty and confident guy and like sm/ww relationship but as seen in JL, which frankly has been lacking a lot of development. I have yet to see Lobdell write this remotely interesting. WW fighting alongside Superman is what I see all the time and that was all that H'el was about. I don't see why people come here to hate on Lobdell. I am sure half to them don't read his books or even picked up the WW book.

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Funny as in slap her ass and be a sexist pig funny. Yeah, sure. That's always funny. Lobdell's funnier than Azzarello though.

It was basically lazy characterization and gimmick. It's one thing taking the dna, he's an asshole under Azzarellow's pen and so he wants to grope her ass...fine... but Wonder Woman of old would have dealt with the guy and Azz wanted people to talk so Diana just turns around and has the outraged girly what the? Her reaction was the stupidest out of all this. It's so cliched how Azzarello is writing Diana's reactions to Orion. Like some prim princess with the bad boy. He's giving Orion the platform to just annoy someone like Diana...a woman who would have long slapped Orion down . Throwing up her hands and going ugh...again...this very girlie outrage.This is an Amazon. A warrior. A man coming in and doing this shit isn't going to be allowed to get away with it beyond the first time he called her Legs. Diana just frowning at him while he throws sexual innuendo at her for issues now, I was sitting thinking...huh? WW doesn't do that. It is pandering to Orion and giving him a notch on his belt to do something totally unacceptable and it's the typical lazy let's put good girl with bad boy and let bad boy mistreat her but it's entertaining because good girl is so good she will change bad boy. Might as well be one of those teenage novels we reading the way this is being set up.

I can't wait for the New Gods to get out of the Wonder Woman title. The book is slow and decompressed and WW herself is barely defined in terms of her life or what she can do power wise. She barely seems to do much for herself. Oh yes, so the people who were saying Superman would undermine her because he is powerful and flies etc...don't worry Orion is equally or more powerful , has an astro harness and is rescuing her now.

I know,right? I don't care if he is a God or he thinks he's the bees knees, it's a garbage message and WW is not some slab of meat.It's kind of amusing and ironic the strong feminist character and some readers would love obvious sexism and push for Orion to be rewarded by nabbing Diana cause it is entertaining to them. I think back to the reboot of the new 52 and the soap boxing across the net over two adults having consensual sex (Catwoman) but here we have obvious sexual innuendo, inappropriate touching , rudeness but oooh ship it!

And now there is a foreshadowing of her as some object to be fought over between Superman and Orion in some "triangle". Triangles on the whole are lame but is that how we really want Diana in this scenario? Way to make her even more of a joke after the slap. I hope this is all just a red herring to create discussion by DC and Diana will show that strong women who have confidence and self esteem don't fall for jerks.

For there to be a love triangle Diana has to want to be with Orion or have feelings for him. I frankly don't see it at all.I do see guy who is written with the depth of Guy Gardener and not very good characterization of the Dog of War. Disappointing actually.

He inappropriately touched the character gets her dna.(rolls eyes) Newsarama's interview with Azzarello, he admits did not let Diana slap Orion right away for it because he just wanted people talking. So the whole scene was weak anyway. Of course, Diana would/should have put him in his place. Orion could have gotten it from her back or shoulder but hey that's not sexist enough is it and what a great way to force tension...dickish behavior. But then I would have thought any woman would react like Diana so not sure what is so special or entertaining there. Being called Legs, smirked at, spoken down to, ass grabbing...Wonder Woman wants that? Secretly sort of digs that? I doubt it. Not the WW I have been reading or the empowered strong woman I am a fan of. But then I don't know what Azz is thinking. Maybe he thinks otherwise.

Orion and Wonder Woman are the least likely to work because end of the day Diana is a character whose mythology is not solely about Gods, god chasing or godly politics...but a young woman finding her place in our world and learning to live and adapt to it and be one of us even while protecting us. Azz's WW works as a single story after the dust settles here the character needs and will to get back to her super heroics. Orion is out. He's just here for high jinks. Clark and Steve are the only serious and worthy contenders for her affections.

As Superman is not even in this book why would he approve or disapprove? Also if Diana is dating a guy who she claims to care for why would she want anything with Orion romantically? She barely knows him and he's acting like a god's honest fool. That would seem very OOC for me and disappoint me if Azz takes this line because Diana is not someone who plays around as if matters of the the heart are games. I could see her feeling compassion for Orion (though he's making it hard for me to give a damn) but that's it. So if it is violence...unless she kills Orion...I don't see what Superman (who is very much aggressive in the new 52) would disapprove of.