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#1 Edited by supermandefender (2041 posts) - - Show Bio


Round 1: Hyperion


Round 2: Gladiator


Round 3: Ronan

Rules: Superman gets a break and is able to recharge himself after every battle. BFR's is allowed and all characters are bloodlusted and no morals.

Im starting this thread fight to see just how powerful the New 52 Superman is to be honest i havent kept up with his new 52 version of him and I wanted to see how he faired against some of Marvels heavy hitters. Thanks leave comments and scans plz.

#2 Posted by supermandefender (2041 posts) - - Show Bio

Wow this thread is still going why? we have all seen all the scans and all the arguments. Can we finally let this 1 die already?

#3 Posted by supermandefender (2041 posts) - - Show Bio

Orion wins this fight. Orion has more combat experience, is better H2H, is more intelligent in terms of fighting opponents and figuring out ways to win, is physically stronger than the Surfer, has more stamina and durability than the surfer.

Surfer lost all of his memories of his past life so no he is not a scientist anymore. Surfers intelligence is from his cosmic awareness and relies on that to over power or dismantle his opponents. While Surfers cosmic awareness does give him the edge as far understanding the cosmos it really has no effect on magical gods or anything in the mystical realm. This would give Orion the advantage and Orion frankly is better at thinking for himself in combat. Surfers only option would be to attack Orion with all of his cosmic might but I feel that Orion is just tougher and smarter in terms of fighting.

Surfer only chance here is that he can BFR him or somehow over power Orion with brute force and cosmic attacks. Surfer is also extreme durable and he might be able to pull this off but Orion does have New God tech on his side. Weapons strong enough to disable even Superman so I really dont see how Surfer could be that much more durable than Superman is so I would have to give this fight to Orion 8 out 10.

Anybody is welcome to debate this fact with me and ill be happy to disprove you.

#4 Posted by supermandefender (2041 posts) - - Show Bio

JSA takes it.

#5 Posted by supermandefender (2041 posts) - - Show Bio

New 52 Darkseid Stomped the Justice League and tanked attacks from New 52 Superman who has the power to lift the planet for 7 days straight. Flash who can hit harder than a nuke warhead and withstand Lanterns blast and not be phased at all. Also DS one shotted the JL. Only Flash and Superman were left standing. JL had to regroup.

All that said DS stomps the Surfer. Theres no way the Surfer can handle that.

#6 Edited by supermandefender (2041 posts) - - Show Bio

You gave DC Phantom Stranger...? HA!

I dont think just because Phantom Stranger is on DC teams here that he really gives them a huge advantage. Remember he was wiped out from existence by the Angel Zauriel. So even the immortals can die! It takes alot to kill them granted but with the out right numbers and Marvels heavy hitters the Annihilators I dont see how thats not possible. Remember Marvel also has Scarlet witch, and Dr. Strange. Marvel also has the numbers in this fight. Which is important to victory. I gave DC the Heavy hitters like Phantom stranger and Zauriel for two reasons. One they can easily be heavy hitters for DC and 2 so they help the overall field disadvantage i gave Marvel by giving them more number of players.

And dont tell me that Dr. Strange is so much of a disadvantage to Marvel when the Silver Surfer, Thor, Dr. Strange have easily killed gods/Immortals before. I dont think any of those marvel teams can be underrated here. Both the Avenger team and the Xmen are some badasses.

To be honest i thought this thread would have more hits tho :(. When do we see a all out war like this on the vine? And a battle royal winner!

#7 Posted by supermandefender (2041 posts) - - Show Bio

@supermandefender: No what? Matches is a New 52 expert and this is his playing field

I am not this Match guy. And with him being the expert on 52 stuff id like him to come in and see what he thinks.

#8 Posted by supermandefender (2041 posts) - - Show Bio
#9 Posted by supermandefender (2041 posts) - - Show Bio


Rules: All characters are in characters unless stated otherwise in certain Rounds. No BFR, DC is New 52 Characters only. No ancient Marvel scans please stay current. Scans allowed as far back as year 2001 to current date. All characters are at there normal power levels no extra power increases. Example: NO Thor OD Force. No Superman Sundipping. However, the Flash using any speed force powers are allowed because he can access them as its apart of his power set.

Teams consist of:

the Justice League: Members are: Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern(Hal), Flash(Barry), Cyborg, and Aquaman.

the Justice League of America: Members are: Green Arrow, Katana, Martian Manhunter, Green Lantern Simon Baz, Stargirl, Vibe, Hawkman and Catwoman.

Justice League Dark: Members are: John Constantine, Zatanna, SwampThing, Nightmare Nurse, Deadman, Madame Xanadu, Frankenstein, Dr. Mist, Black Orchid, Phantom Stranger, Pandora, Question, and Zauriel(the Angel)


Avengers: Members are: Captain America, Thor, Ironman, Hulk, She-Hulk, Spiderman, Spiderwoman, Vision, Scarlet Witch, Dr. Strange, Ms. Marvel, Black Widow, Hawkeye, and Nick Fury.

Annihilators: Members are: Silver Surfer, Beta Ray Bill, Ronan, Gladiator, Nova and Quasar.

Xmen: Members are: Professor Xavier, Wolverine, Cyclops, Jean Gray(No Phoenix), Storm, Gambit, Nightcrawler, Rogue, Beast, Iceman, ArchAngel, Emma Frost, Colossus, and Magneto.

Round 1: All out fight. Which side wins? DC or Marvel? And why? All character are still in character. Morals on but teams have to fight.

Round 2: All characters are Bloodlusted. Which side takes it? Still no BFR or Field Removals. This is a fight.

Round 3: Everybody vs Everybody! Anything goes. Its a Battle Royal who is the last man/woman standing? All characters are bloodlusted.

#10 Posted by supermandefender (2041 posts) - - Show Bio

@xiix said:

@jmarshmallow: I can understand that. But at the same time it's difficult to propose that Death-Seed Sentry would be able to exceed The Void's capabilities against particular opponents when he hasn't exhibited the means. So either way.

Either way, sure, but you're going to have to have a suspension of disbelief for a moment there, because I really don't see how you actually plan on debating AGAINST writers statements? Once you manage to figure that one out, come back and let me know!

Superman-Prime's amp started to wane during his fight with Monarch, so in a last ditch effort he tore open his chest-plate, unleashing energy that purged the universe of life.

You mean his amp that he wouldn't have while facing Sentry? Or the amp he wouldn't have while facing Thor? Either way, that right there proves that Superman Prime needed an amp to go up against Monarch, whereas I think DS Sentry could have fared just as well, if not better, without one.

In addition, that also shows that if Superman Prime were to go up against Thor WITHOUT his amp, he wouldn't absolutely demolish him like you seem to believe. And he certainly wouldn't embarrass him like Sentry did.

Otherwise they were fighting on pretty even ground, though Monarch could be argued as having the advantage due to him not taking the fight as seriously as Prime.

So Monarch had the advantage over an AMPED Superman Prime? Now I'm not saying that the feat isn't impressive, in fact when I read it I thought it was totally bad@$$. But let's be honest here, it doesn't really show me that Superman Prime, with or without the amp, could stand a chance of beating a dude who's STRONGER than a dude who beat Molecule Man. Let alone manhandling Thor like Sentry did.

The reason I say he'd do so to Thor is because Monarch utterly destroyed an army of heroes composed of Green-Lanterns, Wonder-Women, Supermen, Flashs, and more before moving on to over 50 Captain Atoms, all with CASUALLY. Many of which after letting them attack him first.

Again, very impressive, and totally BAMF'y. But let's not forget that not only was SP amped, he also was going up against an opponent who wasn't taking the fight seriously at ALL, because he didn't expect Superman Prime to be so powerful. It's cool, but not as HUGE of a feat when you really break it down and take everything into context.

While Prime couldn't stake a notable advantage, he performed better than all of them combined. Even after Monarch had assumed him dealt with.

Agreed, but we've been over this already so I won't both repeating everything above.

So I could definitely see a case made for Death-Seed Sentry. I still however think Thor would die, haha.

Oh, Thor would die. But it would be a good fight, unlike Sentry vs Thor which just made me feel bad for the Thunder god...


This is just a overall bad piece of information spreading out to the public. I am not going to say that you are just out right wrong but that your arguments are %100 flawed.

I cant blame you though everyone that has visited this page is wrong.