Super_SoldierXII

@MarvelRulesTheWorld said:

@Super_SoldierXII said:

@MarvelRulesTheWorld said:

@Super_SoldierXII said:

50 ton strength would prove little more effective than 10 ton strength.

Not really. A fist traveling at 5 miles per hour, will not have as much force as a fist traveling at 200 miles per hour.

Ya really. The point is that neither have the punching power to put a dent in Colossus' durability. They'd need at least 2000mph to be effective to use your analogy. So Carnage may as well be throwing a 5mph punch for all the good it'll do.

lol, you're missing the whole point of this debate since page one. No one says Spiderman is going to damage or hurt Colossus physically and it doesn't take Spiderman to "hurt" Colossus to win. The point is that Spiderman has the speed to dance around Colossus, the strength to lift his 400 pound frame, and the power to punch his 400 pound frame with a force similar to a baseball bat hitting a baseball.

@god_spawn: Same as stated above.

Listen, I was not even talking to you with my comment on Carnage hurting Colossus. I was responding to the bloke who was talking as though Carnage was strong enough to take Colossus down because he's a 50 tonner capeesh? Then you bring up a completely irrelevant point about 5mph punch being less effective than a 200 mph punch ... yadda yadda yadda. So why lol then tell me I'm missing the point when I responded to exactly what you were going on about?

If you're so good at scrolling back and reading previous posts then please, do so here before commenting.

And the points you are making are ridiculous. I didn't miss the point. I disregard it because it's, well, ignorant.

First, armored Colossus weighs 500 lbs not 400 (not that this even matters)

Second, irregardless of weight, you need to learn something about strength, leverage and such if you think a being who is well over ten times stronger than the other is going to be thrown around by one who is barely even a fraction of Colossus' strength. You are actually sitting there straight faced and talking like Spider-Man is going mahandle Colossus because he weighs far less than what Spider-Man can lift? Guess what, so does Hulk and Juggernaut. They weigh only a fraction, a tenth, of what Spider-Man can lift. Spider-Man is going to be throwing them around all over the place now then?

No.

The strongest being will always resist being tossed around by a far weaker opponent despite body weight. There is nothing Spider-Man can do to Colossus. If he webs Colossus and tries to throw him around via webbing, Colossus will just stand his ground and toss Petey around like a sack of potatoes. Sorry, like I've said before, the class 100 wins this game of tug of war.

Original Kraven on pots wins a slight majority IMO. But I wouldn't call it a stomp.

Spite. Fist destroys the Cat.

@MarvelRulesTheWorld said:

@Super_SoldierXII said:

50 ton strength would prove little more effective than 10 ton strength.

Not really. A fist traveling at 5 miles per hour, will not have as much force as a fist traveling at 200 miles per hour.

Ya really. The point is that neither have the punching power to put a dent in Colossus' durability. They'd need at least 2000mph to be effective to use your analogy. So Carnage may as well be throwing a 5mph punch for all the good it'll do.

Splat. Nothing left save a bloodied shield.

This is HUGE spite.

Colossus was beating the crap out of Venom during Seige. Don't think Carnage would prove much more difficult.

Carnage couldn't hurt Piotr any more than Spidey can. 50 ton strength would prove little more effective than 10 ton strength.

@k4tzm4n said:

@Edamame: I provided Holocaust's handbook entry on the very first post. That's from the official AoA handbook. I don't have Omega Red's latest entry. Perhaps someone else could provide it. But for intellect, he's a 2, and stamina is just as good as Wolverine thanks to his healing factor and the boost he tends to give from death spores. After all, he smacked around Wolverine for pretty much an entire day and was fine. Meanwhile, Wolverine almost died from the injuries. Speed is likely a 2 as well. On par with react accordingly with Wolverine, but nothing too impressive when it comes to top running speed nad such.

Yes, Logan almost died because the death spores nullify a large portion of his healing factor's efficiency. But while his durability and overall resistance is obviously higher, Red's healing factor is not as fast as Logan's IMO.

Perhaps people aren't reading the OP properly, but Cable has BASIC FIREARMS and knives.  Basic, as in pistols and submachine guns.  Do you guys really think that's anything new for a superhuman level character that can run at 60mph and has impressed Spider-Man with his agility?