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#1 Posted by Super_SoldierXII (6137 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave said:

Flash

Why not make an argument for a change.

Your constant one liners followed by little else make me wonder why you bother commenting in battle threads at all really.

#2 Posted by Super_SoldierXII (6137 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Viners need to read more Iron Fist. He seems to be getting slightly underrated of late.

Styles make match-ups. Danny is a bad fight for the symbiotes.

Danny could potentially solo IMHO.

#3 Edited by Super_SoldierXII (6137 posts) - - Show Bio

@ghostravage: In short, he cannot assimilate Batman's style in it's entirety, all he can assimilate are moves that he witnesses. Therefore, to be able to come close to being as capable with a shield as, say, Captain America, he would have to sit and go through a whole heck of a lot of footage. If he ain't seen it in action, he cannot mimic it.

I really don't know how to make the point any clearer. So yeah, a random encounter with Batman will not mean much as he can only mimic moves once he's seen them. Batman will remain a mystery to him till he's seen him in action, and that may well prove too late. That, and once again, for the umpteenth time, he can only replicate the moves he's seen. That is far, far from adopting anywhere near the entire style of the master he's up against.

#4 Posted by Super_SoldierXII (6137 posts) - - Show Bio

@super_soldierxii: Meaning, concept, principles... It doesn't matter in the slightest and he even has on-panel statements about this. Also, even in his handbook entry it is stated complexity means squat to what he's copying, he just does it...

Even ignoring his mimic ability what's stopping him from combining all his copied styles into 1, i hardly doubt any known street leveler has a counter for it skill-wise. I understood what you said though.

Are you completely missing the point behind what I'm saying on purpose? Tell me what I said, don't paraphrase, but cut and past exactly what I said that contradicts anything that handbook entry states. C'mon now.

#5 Posted by Super_SoldierXII (6137 posts) - - Show Bio

@super_soldierxii said:

@ghostravage said:

@super_soldierxii: I think is the other way around, Batman won't be expecting someone who assimilates every single twitch of his body instantly, let alone being able to perform the most complex fighting style ever seen in comics. In fact, it is quite debatable that Tasky would take a majority over Batman in random encounters.

That said, i do agree with Batman's utility belt and Xena's lack of versatility to counter it. This fight is close IMO but i may be leaning towards Team 2.

Tasky still has to study someone to assimilate them effectively. It's not like he'll be mimicking Batman effectively instantaneously or anything. Far from it.

Steve only has to state so much in the second it will take him to do so during the opening volley. Batman will nod and say "gotcha". No more complicated than that really.

Taskmaster has assimilated movements instantly... Since the 80s. He doesn't need to study anything and it's actually stated he copies everything he sees and doesn't need any notion of the concept to do so, in fact, he doesn't need to "study" anything but just see it. Even in his first solo series he saw a guy catching a bullet that seemingly lasted 1 second and still manged to perform exactly the same movement once again. Far from "studying" anything.

I think you misunderstand. What I mean is, he is not going to be able to assimilate a style meaningfully without study. He does indeed "study" footage of heroes to assimilate. I'm not saying he has to study their moves, or that he does not, in fact, assimilate what he sees immediately, but you do have to watch a movie in its entirety to know what it's about regardless possessing a photographic memory or whatnot. You have to read a book from cover to cover to know what it's about. You don't just assimilate a page and then pronounce "aha! Batman I now have you assimilated and your style in its entirety and all its complexities is miiinee!!! Mwa haha hahahah!"

Hope that clarifies.

#6 Posted by Super_SoldierXII (6137 posts) - - Show Bio

@super_soldierxii said:

Steve and Bruce. Significant majority IMHO.

Bruce can surprise Tasky. Unknown element and has moves Tony's never mapped.

Utility belt will also be a deciding factor here.

Couldnt the same be said of Taskmastr vs Bruce? TM has Spider Man moves, DD, Cap America, Iron Fist, and others that bruce never seen before right?

Spider-Man is no martial master so I do not see the advantage of mimicking him unless you share his speed, reflexes and spider-sense.

And Tasky has the ability to mimic the moves he's been able to study thus far from the above listed. Which is to say he is no where near as good as Iron Fist, DD or Rogers in each of their respective styles. Cumulatively given all he's mimicked he may come close to being as good as any one, but it's not like his skill is a perfect amalgamation of all their collective abilities in perfection. It's not. He's only studied footage he's been able to get his hands on.

You can't mimic in perfection ones mental acuity, experience, impulse, strategy in implementing their style, instinct to zig and not zag under such and such a situation (etc. etc. etc.)

#7 Posted by Super_SoldierXII (6137 posts) - - Show Bio

@super_soldierxii: I think is the other way around, Batman won't be expecting someone who assimilates every single twitch of his body instantly, let alone being able to perform the most complex fighting style ever seen in comics. In fact, it is quite debatable that Tasky would take a majority over Batman in random encounters.

That said, i do agree with Batman's utility belt and Xena's lack of versatility to counter it. This fight is close IMO but i may be leaning towards Team 2.

Tasky still has to study someone to assimilate them effectively. It's not like he'll be mimicking Batman effectively instantaneously or anything. Far from it.

Steve only has to state so much in the second it will take him to do so during the opening volley. Batman will nod and say "gotcha". No more complicated than that really.

#8 Posted by Super_SoldierXII (6137 posts) - - Show Bio

Steve and Bruce. Significant majority IMHO.

Bruce can surprise Tasky. Unknown element and has moves Tony's never mapped.

Utility belt will also be a deciding factor here.

#9 Posted by Super_SoldierXII (6137 posts) - - Show Bio

@floopay said:

@super_soldierxii said:

Based off a lot of the comments read in debates this past year, I truly believe folks don't know or simply don't remember 90% of Wolverine material. Or, if they're not really fans of the character, maybe they plainly just don't care to know and have never known.

Logan I grew up reading would school a teenage kid like Miles. He's big leagues. One of the most feared on the planet in Marvel land. We've just all somehow forgotten the fact during the whole Cornell fiasco.

Lets not forget Miles, though a teenager, is still 15-20 times stronger, almost twice as fast, and has far more powers to call on than Wolverine.

Wolverine is what, 800 pounds? Miles is 6-8 tons, which is 12,000 to 16,000 pounds. Miles can almost pace a speeding car IIRC, Wolverine is like 20 mph at best?

Wolverine has adamantium bones, 8 inch claws (or so?), and a potent healing factor. Miles has superhuman strength, speed, reflexes, and durability. He has webbing, can climb walls, and can leap incredible distances. To top it all off, he has a Spider Sense.

Yes, Wolverine is a powerful opponent, and a top tier melee fighter. But he's going against someone who outclasses him in every other capacity.

And that's not even including Taskmaster, who has also fought all of Marvel's best.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

Wolverine is anywhere from 800 - 2 tons. Inconclusive which end of that spectrum he falls on though he has feats that suggest the latter.

Doesn't matter though.

Strength levels are completely irrelevant in this match-up. Miles has no where near the "umph" needed to put a dent in the metal or the healing factor let alone both combined and Wolverine's shown enough punching power with the metal knuckles coupled with his elite striking know-how to KO Roughouse (40 tonner), Caliban (15 tonner), a demonic possessed grizzly and yeah, Spider-Man as well (amongst others).

So even if we want to assume he won't use the claws (which are 12 inches long btw), he can still KO Miles based off feats alone, whereas the inverse is far from true.

Miles is young, inexperienced, and way, way out if depths in any semblance of a melee battle here. If Parker was sh!tting his britches back in the day during their graveyard fight, you can bet Miles will be crapping in his webbed underoos as well.

Tasky is the MVP, not Miles. But I don't see them teaming up in any meaningful way. Not enough to save them from getting knocked off individually.

An A-game Logan should win here. Not easily, and he'll lose a few to a lucky incap here and there, but he'll win a clear majority.

#10 Posted by Super_SoldierXII (6137 posts) - - Show Bio

Based off a lot of the comments read in debates this past year, I truly believe folks don't know or simply don't remember 90% of Wolverine material. Or, if they're not really fans of the character, maybe they plainly just don't care to know and have never known.

Logan I grew up reading would school a teenage kid like Miles. He's big leagues. One of the most feared on the planet in Marvel land. We've just all somehow forgotten the fact during the whole Cornell fiasco.