@SC: Your honestly have not given any damn explanation about your super duper, colorful, great Thor. I am enjoying this, if you do join a debate club don't have too much of an open mind or your not going to win rotten apples.
@SC: I haven't gotten into any arguments with Thor fans, just Silver Surfer and Thanos Fans. Its up to you the person reading the comic to determine what makes the most sense in a very unbiased perspective. If comics are only for entertainment then how does one determine which character will be beat who. If it were to be based upon the people that know the character's abilities then it would just be a battle that of endless opinions that don't take the character's personal can't and can dos with their powers. Characters without their comics just have their images that display what they look like. If you have read 100 % of Thor comics then you would have been able to figure out whether or not Thor was holding back. Whether or not that was the Thor you fully understand who he is, what he has, his personal experience, character, personality. Of course from one scan of a character doing something you can't determine their abilities compared with the other character. But after you have read 100 % of their comics then you would know whether or not that is bullshit.
@SC: Where would readers get their facts from if Character narration is never intended to be wholly accurate? You are basically saying that posting scans of feats from story lines of characters are useless because they aren't wholly accurate. You know I have read the Avengers for years, and they are very consistent characters , they are never out of character. What lack of facts are you talking about?
Then you are basically saying we can't determine facts from comics. That is completely wrong, you determine facts from comics by under what age of comics, whether the character is a classic version or not, under which writer is the character being written. You claim these lack of facts are present in the Cable 68 yet you don't seem to understand what Harbinger really is. I saw in Cable 67 that Thor put him in a diffferent dimension he adapted and got stronger, then in Cable 68 Thor attacked him once more only to be blasted back. Harbinger adapts, I really doubt that Thor was holding back when he hit pit Harbinger into another dimension. Even if Thor hit him with a god blast Harbinger would adapt. Please understand this finally. HE ADAPTS, REREAD THE COMIC ONCE MORE.
@SC: It is through the comprehensive ability of the reader you can understand whether or not a character will beat this character. If you don't have a full understanding of the character Thor you are defending then you are just posting you opinions there are no facts of what you say about Thor's attacks suppose to be doing this. Neither character in the Cable comics first series were weakned or powered up alot. Harbinger was transformed by Apocalypse with Celestial technology and then put into hibernation for 200 years. The effects of that hibernation meant Harbinger's power was being evolved up to a point where he was able to escape a dimension he was thrown in.
@SC: I know for a fact that Harbinger wouldn't adapt to Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet, Living Tribunal, and other characters on those levels but for people like the Avengers and even Cable during 90s Harbinger adapts to people like that because they are not omnipotent. I have come across people who claim Thor is galaxy buster, but what makes Thor so great that makes you doubt that Harbinger should gave been effected by Thor's hit.
@SC: If you remember what Iron man said about Harbinger getting stronger by the moment. Harbinger in the Cable 68 said " I was built to survive my enemy's worst". I am not trying to turn my opinion into a fact, all I am stating are facts from the comic itself. Adaptability is Bruce Lee's concept of Jee Kun Do. Which means you become like water and flow with what it is your fighting. With Harbinger his power is literally this idea of Bruce Lee, the only difference is Harbinger's body adapts automatically. You should read comics with deep analysis if you are going to to post on a debate forum. Because you are going to miss out on the small details that make you miss the big picture.
@SC: Harbinger was adapting to all of their attacks even Thor's. Thor attacked him but his attack was useless. Here it is in this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harbinger_of_Apocalypse
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