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#1 Edited by SupBatz (1817 posts) - - Show Bio

...Aaaand, in more exciting news: Sin is finally returning!

I've really missed her presence on the show. Her relationships with Sara, Roy, and Thea leave so much storytelling potential for the character, and it felt strange to me that she hasn't appeared yet or been mentioned this season. Glad we'll be seeing her again in only five episodes!

#2 Posted by SupBatz (1817 posts) - - Show Bio

I honestly don't care how much training Laurel gets, or how realistic her stepping into the role is. I find it kind of strange that that is even the big concern on a lot of people's minds. Combative skills are completely relative. If the roles were reversed on Thea and Laurel, we'd find it more easy to accept Laurel's transformation. Why? Because we didn't actually watch her training in real-time. We were left wondering for a while what was going on with her. Because of that, when Thea finally showed up again, nobody (or at least, not many people) was(/were) asking how Thea could possibly be on par with other characters. The main reason, I would argue, is because the viewer was largely taken out of the experience. We don't need to analyze every week of her training to ask "how much has she improved from last week to now? If she's improving at this rate, how can she possibly be badass enough by the time she returns to Starling?" Another interesting thing to note, we aren't really sure of Thea's capabilities at this point. We've seen her use some cool moves in training. But we haven't seen her go up against any big leaguers (discounting Merlyn, who is in "training-mode"). There's a lot of ambiguity surrounding just how skilled she is. I think the main takeaway from that is that Thea can still be badass even if she isn't necessarily on par with some of the other fighters on the show. And I'm willing to bet Laurel can be too.

Long digression aside, I have nothing against Laurel. I completely understand her motivations, and I don't have a problem with her as a character. But I do think that the writers need to put her in a more sympathetic light if they want people to stomach her transformation better. Stop showing us angry Laurel and confrontational Laurel. She us a glimpse of the Laurel from season one with a good heart who would put herself in danger for others (even if that wasn't the smartest possible decision). Over time, make her a more fun character. In comics, Black Canary is a pretty fun character. And that is an aspect that didn't as much transfer into Sara. Make Laurel distinct from Sara by making her more fun. That doesn't necessarily fit with the character right now, but take us in that direction over time. I think it'd be a lot easier not to hate Laurel for taking Sara away from us if she was a character we could have fun watching.

The Canary Cry might also be cool. It would be a good combative edge, and would definitely be an excuse to don a costume, I think. And with metahuman-central Central City right around the corner, I imagine the writers could find some way to get her the sonic scream.

#3 Posted by SupBatz (1817 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm very glad that they're not going the "Laurel Route" with Iris and having her get pissed off with the Flash for not showing up to save her/Eddie. At first, I wasn't a bit fan of the character. But now, I find that I'm liking her more with each episode. Hopefully she'll be let in on Barry's identity sooner rather than later. These producers have proven that they handle characters MUCH better when everybody is in the know about superhero identities. So I'd rather they not drag out Iris' ignorance on the subject.

The villain department was divisive this episode. Wells was a good and mysterious "villain" as always. Clock King was a joy to watch, and even better than his Arrow appearance (which I also enjoyed). It's nice to have a "Villain-of-the-week" style villain that has a bit more going on to him than the typical Arrow/Flash villains. I'm hoping we see more of him in the future. Blackout, on the other hand, followed the typical villain format for these shows. Largely uninteresting and just there to drive the plot along. But even though I wasn't a fan of him on a character level, I'm still disgruntled that they keep killing off all of the villains. AND that Barry/Wells foolishly reveal their identities/secrets to characters and then they all inexplicably end up dead. That's getting old quickly. They have the giant prison, make use of it. Stop revealing identities, and start actually imprisoning.

The script, in general, was fine for the episode. But every once and a while, it feels like they're trying too hard to be "hip" and "current" with their sayings. Moments like those aren't necessarily cringe-worthy, but they definitely aid in taking me out of the experience.

All of the names that Wells listed at the end made for some great easter eggs.

I'm really interested in the furthering of Barry and Wells' confrontations. That was easily the most intense moment in the episode (possibly the series - especially when only considering dialogue-driven scenes). I was a bit disappointed that they returned to the status quo again at the end of the episode, but the potential is there for further conflict, and I hope we get to see that soon.

Also, on that note, I hope Barry leaves S.T.A.R.R. Labs by the end of this season and begins operating independently. I get why, as a new hero, it makes sense for him to have this base of operations complete with super-advanced technology and a knowledgeable mentor. But I want to see Barry operating in a more independent fashion as he becomes more experienced. I wouldn't mind is Cisco and Caitlin were still integral to his heroics, but not in S.T.A.R.R. Labs.

Great episode. Definitely a contender for number one so far. 9.5/10.

#4 Edited by SupBatz (1817 posts) - - Show Bio

@gjgp27 said:

@supbatz: artemis is not a green arrow character

Not originally, but her portrayal in Young Justice - her most popular portrayal - made her a Green Arrow character. And that is the version I would like to see adapted further into other shows/comics/movies.

#5 Posted by SupBatz (1817 posts) - - Show Bio

I'd rather see Artemis than Stephanie, but Steph would be a fun addition. I'm perfectly fine with Arrow using Gotham characters (which for some reason seems to be a major point of contention among fans), but I do think that the show should focus more on building up the Green Arrow specific characters.

#6 Edited by SupBatz (1817 posts) - - Show Bio

I thought this to be one of the (if not the) weakest episode(s) of the season.

All of the relationship drama for every couple was riddled with cliches. I'm not the type to cringe at relationship drama on television. I've even been known to enjoy some of the admittedly over-the-top relationships on Arrow. But this episode just felt like the march of the cliches. Ray and Felicity were the closest to being compelling in their drama, but even their scenes were mundane.

Thea's scenes this episode were the worst. I seriously don't know what they were thinking with the (strange and annoying) introduction of her new love interest, but nothing about those scenes was organic.

Cupid is a villain I really want to like, but who just never seems to be written in a fun enough manner. She was decent at best in this episode. If they ever bring her back, she may even border on interesting (if handled better). But as things are now, she didn't leave much of an impression. Arrow really needs to work on better establishing its villains-of-the-week. If they want to rely on that format as much as they do, then they have to do their damnedest to make the villains original, fun, and compelling. Plus, they can't just constantly throw villains away never to be touched again. They need to start bringing small leaguers back and expanding upon them.

Surprisingly, the most compelling scenes in this episode were the flashbacks. And coming from a guy who has seldom liked any of the flashbacks throughout the entire series, that is saying something.

4/10 from me. I was hoping for a lot more. I'm fine with tons of love triangles and relationship drama. But if you're going to make it the focus of an episode, then you had better be innovative about it rather than just showing us variations of the tropes that everybody and their grandma are familiar with.

#7 Posted by SupBatz (1817 posts) - - Show Bio

I applaud everything you just said. ESPECIALLY Thea! I seriously don't know what the hell we were supposed to take away from that forced, random plot.

The word that sums up this entire episode is cliche. Cupid is a villain that I wanted to like. She's a fun concept with a lot of potential, but both her portrayal in this episode and in the comics have all fallen rather flat. Disappointing.

Olicity was the pinnacle of cliche this episode. I have no love for or hostility towards the pairing, but this episode just did not work for them. Both cliche and frustrating on all fronts.

Arrow really needs to work on its villain-of-the-week plotlines. Despite the bad rep those types of stories get, they have the potential to be great. But thusfar, there really haven't been many Arrow villains-of-the-week who have stood out much. And very few have returned for multiple episodes. Hopefully Brick will be the fix for that.

#8 Posted by SupBatz (1817 posts) - - Show Bio

The flashbacks were incredibly cliche (and even cringe-inducing at times), and Barry revealing his identity to Girder BUT NOT IRIS is frustrating and ridiculous.

But aside for that, pretty solid episode. Iris' narration paralleling the first episode was a great touch. And the ending with Joe was very well done. They're slowly fixing the weaker part of the show (Iris and Eddy). Iris is on the right track, but they need to push her further. Letting her in on Barry's identity sooner rather than later would be a solid idea. And give us a reason to root her her blog and career as a journalist. So far, she comes across as naive where it is concerned. We need more focus on it so we can understand her motivation in that department and grow to actual WANT her to write the blog in spite of all of the warnings against doing so.

#9 Posted by SupBatz (1817 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't much understand the hate that Bruce and Selina get in this show. I'd rank Bruce's scenes as one of the most compelling aspects of each episode. And I didn't think Selina was "shoehorned" into this episode at all. The dialogue is a bit off in places, but that goes for the entire show, not just the scenes involving Selina.

This episode wasn't the best, but I'd still give it a 6-6.5/10.

#10 Posted by SupBatz (1817 posts) - - Show Bio

Wow, I'm surprised at the poor score. I haven't watched this episode yet, but the past two have been pretty good, I thought. Guess I'll have to watch and see if this one takes a dive. I tend to appreciate Bruce's and Selina's presences in the show more than most, so I'm hoping I enjoy the episode more than the reviewer.