StrongestOneThereIs

"oh i didnt notice it was WWH. Then he can defeat CM, while Supes beats Thor. But supes still beats WWH, if he is smart enough to fight at range "

"King Hyperion would win regardless sups may be stronger but King is immortal . "

I know this is going to start something

But two guys that can beat King Hyperion 
Have to be able to beat Thanos 
But probably not

" @StrongestOneThereIs said:

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He beats them all  but 
Majestic 
Black Adam 
Cap Marvel These three could go either way on any given battle "

Majestros would beat the brakes off Supes convincingly, but the other two I agree could go either way. "

I went by the pics

But it seems that we are using Photon not Quasar

That changes things for me
Team One wins

Though a power in her own right

Either Nova or BB can take her in the end

That leaves two on one with Gladaitor

And even if Gladiator is able to beat one, he can't beat both

When he goes down, that leaves Bill dealing with Thor and another

" @czarny_samael said:

" By PC Superman You mean Pre-Crisis or Post Crisis?  If Pre-Crisis, then yes. But it doesn't matter currently. If Post-Crisis, then no. They both have planetary level feats and BRB currently was destroying planets like nothing. They have similar feats. And Classic Thor = Current Thor. Strange said that. And Thor was never de-powered. Remember also that he = BRB who is making crazy feats in space. Thor recently was flying near Black Hole, smashing Rulk or going to stop Ego (Stranger stopped him). He and Balder were also talking about thing with Midgard Serpent.   Flash is completly different than others. He is above most people in both megaverses in speed. I know scans that proved that.   But Cap? Seriously?   Dr.Light's as Photon's (girl) powers are based on light so it isn't suprising for me that he can have it. The thing is that they all are pretty close in this and DC guys in this level don't have better feats feats than Marvel's.   Just most Avengers are/were not in Thor\Herlad\Gladiator level. That is why Marvel seems weaker. "

  This exactly.   It's a major misconception that the DC guys are more powerful. It's just that Marvel being a more "character driven" universe, you will not see too many powerhouses on their premiere teams (like the Avengers) very much unlike the JLA (which basically contains all the DC's powerhouses).   Guys like the Hulk, Thor, Silver Surfer are just as powerful as their DC counterparts (i just read Chaos War:  Thor, the dude created a storm of a thousand worlds with his hammer) On this particular topic, i think it will be an extremely tough fight but Black Adam will take it. "

" @StrongestOneThereIs said:

" @czarny_samael said:

"But still CN was weakned.  I know what You were talking about and Ares is a non factor. He will be one-shoted and he can't keep up with Surfer. He can't even hurt him.  His tactic will do nothing. And he can't make a tactic against Surfer."

It didn't show that Nefaria was weakened at all It just showed that she was stronger He even questioned her tactic Doubting her ability to handle him in her stronger state Void didn't one-shot AresHe took several blows and didn't go down until he was ripped apart The Surfer wasn't even clse as being as strong as Sentry back then And who is the Surfer that someone can't make a tactic to fight? Is he the Living Tribunal or something? Everyone has a weakness And that mystical god-forged adamantine axe could hurt him "

Ow, yes he was. This was his worst fight in his history. Ares can't make a tacitc against someone as powerfull as Surfer. Nefaria is made of energy, that is why Ms. Marvel was able to make him weak. Void didn't want to one-shot anyone.  When he wanted - he did it.  WWHulk one-shoted Ares. Ares is non factor. He is below Thing, Colossus or She-Hulk. And all of them will be non factor against Surfer. Surfer doesn't have a weaknes. And even then he was a planet buster with nanosecond speed reaction. "

Because his power has nothing to defend against Wolverine's claws 
And Ares made a tactic against Ultron, who was as powerful as Sentry at that moment 
And Sentry is more powerful than the earth-bound Surfer 
Void wasn't holding back in those blows (and there is no indication that he was) 
Again you are looking at one factor of a character, instead of everything 
yes, Ares is below the Thing, but only in strength 
When you add his 70 tons, his godly stamina and durability 
His countless years of fighting prowness 
His power of knowing war and and his axe 
And the addition of powerful teammates like Sentry, Wonder Man and Ms Marvel 
He is far from a non-factor in battle  

But as far as the thread

Earthbound Surfer

Coudln't not defeat the same Avengers team that Anti-Man defeated easily

This same Surfer woud be outclassed by Anti-Man