the other Windrider

Little is known about Storm's past ancestry except that we know she bares the physical traits of a 'witch' (white hair and blue eyes). We also know about her great ancestors like Ashake. But what about the other 'Windrider'? This obviously means Storm was not the first to have her weather abilities. I remember reading a comic though that might have featured this other Windrider though it was very brief. It may have been a Black Panther comic. From what I remember someone was telling a story and recalling past events that took place in Africa during the time when Africans were being taken to the Americas and enslaved. This Windrider was protecting her people and she says "Leave this place or be struck dead!!". This was obviously not Storm because she was not alive during that time. But ever since then I have been intrigued about this windrider. She is also mentioned in the Storm comic that touches on Storm in her adolescents and her powers are starting to manifest. In this comic it is mentioned that she is hiding out. I imagine she is quite old by now but it would be interesting to see SOMETHING.

Obviously as a Storm fan I want to see something like this come from Marvel LOL, but when I think about the other characters I like, she has one of the more interesting pasts. I know I am not the only one who wants to see this.

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Edited by jhazzroucher

I also thought about that. I was thinking Storm was not the first windrider, just like Aang in Avatar.

Posted by StormyWeather

@jhazzroucher: yea

Posted by windcaster

I'm hoping for the resurrection of Deluge. But it will probably be someone from her family. 

Posted by aerokinesis

very fascinating

Posted by StormyWeather

@windcaster: yea, id be satisfied with either

Posted by jhazzroucher

I hope Marvel writers could give us more of Storm's ancestry.

Posted by _Sojourn_

Well, Windrider, for me at least, refers to her ability to "ride the wind" or fly...So I don't know if Weather Manipulation would have been the umbrella term there, seeing as how that is actually Storms mutation...Ashake had more of a magical heritage than mutation... I could be wrong though

Posted by StormyWeather

@Slight: Ashake was a skilled sorceress who practiced white magic, it is unconfirmed that she was a mutant because of the times... the term "windrider" yes it means literally riding the wind because that was her mutant ability as it is Storm's, in the comic i read the artist depicted her exactly as Storm...her stance was very aggressive, her eyes were glowing white and she was channeling lightning just like we all know Storm does, this other Windrider was much more than an aerokinetic

Posted by THUNDERBOLT30

I want 99% of that crappy Jerome Dickey retcon deleted from Storm's history. The only part I found to have some good potential story build was when DeRuyter's brother mentioned that there was another "Wind Rider" that existed before Storm. I would love for that to be explored (i.e. - an aunt she never knew about or something).

Posted by Storm Calling
@THUNDERBOLT30 said:

I want 99% of that crappy Jerome Dickey retcon deleted from Storm's history. The only part I found to have some good potential story build was when DeRuyter's brother mentioned that there was another "Wind Rider" that existed before Storm. I would love for that to be explored (i.e. - an aunt she never knew about or something).

Couldn't agree more.
Posted by THUNDERBOLT30

@Storm Calling: I just perused that issue the other day and wanted to frakkin' burn it. I never understood the purpose of this retcon. Was Storm too independent? Too strong willed?

Posted by Stormultt

I'd LOVE if they'd update us on Ashakes whereabouts btw.

Posted by jhazzroucher

@Storm Calling said:

@THUNDERBOLT30 said:

I want 99% of that crappy Jerome Dickey retcon deleted from Storm's history. The only part I found to have some good potential story build was when DeRuyter's brother mentioned that there was another "Wind Rider" that existed before Storm. I would love for that to be explored (i.e. - an aunt she never knew about or something).

Couldn't agree more.

It was a good story. I mean the first part only. I was carried by my emotions when Storm was teased by another girl telling her she's a wimp or something. I also like the part when Storm was able to unlock the locks easily.

the comic also wan a Glyph Award.

The only part of Storm's history that i want to be deleted is when Storm and BP did something on the forest. That's it and only it.

Posted by StormyWeather

@THUNDERBOLT30: i didn't have a big issue with Dickey's version lol, it was ok, but i agree with ur other point...more than likely she was a great great grandmother

Posted by _Sojourn_

@StormyWeather said:

@Slight: Ashake was a skilled sorceress who practiced white magic, it is unconfirmed that she was a mutant because of the times... the term "windrider" yes it means literally riding the wind because that was her mutant ability as it is Storm's, in the comic i read the artist depicted her exactly as Storm...her stance was very aggressive, her eyes were glowing white and she was channeling lightning just like we all know Storm does, this other Windrider was much more than an aerokinetic

I stand mildly corrected then XD

Posted by THUNDERBOLT30

@jhazzroucher said:

@Storm Calling said:

@THUNDERBOLT30 said:

I want 99% of that crappy Jerome Dickey retcon deleted from Storm's history. The only part I found to have some good potential story build was when DeRuyter's brother mentioned that there was another "Wind Rider" that existed before Storm. I would love for that to be explored (i.e. - an aunt she never knew about or something).

Couldn't agree more.

It was a good story. I mean the first part only. I was carried by my emotions when Storm was teased by another girl telling her she's a wimp or something. I also like the part when Storm was able to unlock the locks easily.

the comic also wan a Glyph Award.

The only part of Storm's history that i want to be deleted is when Storm and BP did something on the forest. That's it and only it.

The story just didn't need to happen. In their original history together Storm saved BP when her powers first manifested. Expanding on that premise would have been fine with me, but having to change how they met, have Storm be a damsel in distress so BP can look like this heroic figure to Storm, and showing her lacking self-confidence, something she had in adundance before BP even came into the picture, was horrible and unnecessary. I don't see how that book could get an award.

Posted by jhazzroucher

@THUNDERBOLT30 said:

@jhazzroucher said:

@Storm Calling said:

@THUNDERBOLT30 said:

I want 99% of that crappy Jerome Dickey retcon deleted from Storm's history. The only part I found to have some good potential story build was when DeRuyter's brother mentioned that there was another "Wind Rider" that existed before Storm. I would love for that to be explored (i.e. - an aunt she never knew about or something).

Couldn't agree more.

It was a good story. I mean the first part only. I was carried by my emotions when Storm was teased by another girl telling her she's a wimp or something. I also like the part when Storm was able to unlock the locks easily.

the comic also wan a Glyph Award.

The only part of Storm's history that i want to be deleted is when Storm and BP did something on the forest. That's it and only it.

The story just didn't need to happen. In their original history together Storm saved BP when her powers first manifested. Expanding on that premise would have been fine with me, but having to change how they met, have Storm be a damsel in distress so BP can look like this heroic figure to Storm, and showing her lacking self-confidence, something she had in adundance before BP even came into the picture, was horrible and unnecessary. I don't see how that book could get an award.

well for me, i was carried over by the story, especially the first part, except for the parts when BP shows up. hehehe. : )

But I think the author did well with the script and the story.

Posted by StormyWeather

@THUNDERBOLT30: ur so right, they just simply don't match

Posted by tempest x

i would love to see more of storm's past--windriders, ashake, et al... i'll take it all. as for as the storm/panther storyline, i loved it. it was great to see more of where she comes from and how she came to be such a phenomenal individual and leader. and you people (children, i'm guessing) really don't think she was ever intimate? lmao... it makes sense it would have happened in her teen years and that it would be with another african... surprise! she was living in africa after all! t'challa is the best thing that's happened to storm's storyline in decades. seeing her vulnerable, more intimate aspects illustrate her multidimensionality. the cold, hard, exotic-yet-aloof leader/mammy of the xmen thing was getting really tired. thank the goddess you aren't the people that get to choose what happens to this character. if you had your way she would probably stay a super strong and independent sexless eunuch that keeps getting objectified and kidnapped by men like loki, arkon, and khan.

Posted by Blood1991

@tempest x: I enjoyed the story though I dislike them changing Storm saving BP to BP saving Storm, but it makes since she had no control of her powers and Tchalla was a highly trained fighter. It was a good mini imo. As for your other statement on he kidnappings I also thought it was intresting that bad boys swooned over her despite being one of the least morally grey X-Men but I think Storm is best single. She was thrown in BP's book as support where she pretty much died and was replaced my doll with her powers and likes to say she is a goddess which was fine in the 70's but is simply stupid now.

Posted by jhazzroucher

@Blood1991 said:

@tempest x: I enjoyed the story though I dislike them changing Storm saving BP to BP saving Storm, but it makes since she had no control of her powers and Tchalla was a highly trained fighter. It was a good mini imo. As for your other statement on he kidnappings I also thought it was intresting that bad boys swooned over her despite being one of the least morally grey X-Men but I think Storm is best single. She was thrown in BP's book as support where she pretty much died and was replaced my doll with her powers and likes to say she is a goddess which was fine in the 70's but is simply stupid now.

My complaint though is that how come the younger Ororo in Ororo: Before The Storm is better at h2h than the Ororo in that mini series.

Posted by Blood1991

@jhazzroucher: Diffrent authors diffrent interpretations.

Posted by jhazzroucher

@Blood1991 said:

@jhazzroucher: Diffrent authors diffrent interpretations.

I would prefer then that when the will write a young Storm , she is learning to use her powers and not always keep on feeling surprised.

Posted by THUNDERBOLT30

@tempest x said:

i would love to see more of storm's past--windriders, ashake, et al... i'll take it all.

as for as the storm/panther storyline, i loved it. it was great to see more of where she comes from and how she came to be such a phenomenal individual and leader. and you people (children, i'm guessing) really don't think she was ever intimate? lmao... it makes sense it would have happened in her teen years and that it would be with another african... surprise! she was living in africa after all! t'challa is the best thing that's happened to storm's storyline in decades. seeing her vulnerable, more intimate aspects illustrate her multidimensionality. the cold, hard, exotic-yet-aloof leader/mammy of the xmen thing was getting really tired.

thank the goddess you aren't the people that get to choose what happens to this character. if you had your way she would probably stay a super strong and independent sexless eunuch that keeps getting objectified and kidnapped by men like loki, arkon, and khan.

Uh, why can't she be both? Writing down her character to give her "more dimension" doesn't make much sense to me. And pretty much most women are objectifed in comics. A sad truth. Her being strong and indepedent should be a plus for someone like T'Challa. And keep in mind, Storm was in a relationship with Forge (so she wasn't sexless technically), and their was also potential for a pairing with Cable, Nightcrawler, and Wolverine. Most X-Women are strong without being in a relationship, and I don't think that her history had to be changed to add dimension to her.

Posted by Storm Calling

@THUNDERBOLT30 said:

@tempest x said:

Uh, why can't she be both? Writing down her character to give her "more dimension" doesn't make much sense to me. And pretty much most women are objectifed in comics. A sad truth. Her being strong and indepedent should be a plus for someone like T'Challa. And keep in mind, Storm was in a relationship with Forge (so she wasn't sexless technically), and their was also potential for a pairing with Cable, Nightcrawler, and Wolverine. Most X-Women are strong without being in a relationship, and I don't think that her history had to be changed to add dimension to her.

^ Nuff said.

Posted by tempest x

@Storm Calling said:

@THUNDERBOLT30 said:

Uh, why can't she be both? Writing down her character to give her "more dimension" doesn't make much sense to me. And pretty much most women are objectifed in comics. A sad truth. Her being strong and indepedent should be a plus for someone like T'Challa. And keep in mind, Storm was in a relationship with Forge (so she wasn't sexless technically), and their was also potential for a pairing with Cable, Nightcrawler, and Wolverine. Most X-Women are strong without being in a relationship, and I don't think that her history had to be changed to add dimension to her.

^ Nuff said.

now that the school semester is finished:

"uh, why can't she be both?"

she is both, now at least. before, for decades, she was cold and distant and lonely. i like seeing her with a character who is her equal--her better even, in some ways, as she is his in others.

what's interesting to me is that we can see a character who's one of the most powerful people on her planet now intimately involved with another one of the most powerful people on the planet. and no, she couldn't dominate a man like that all the time, as though he was just a member of her squad.

how can forge (who was too weak and cowardly to even serve his people in the role he was groomed for), cable (a time displaced, jean&scott clone, UGH!), nightcrawler (who is a ridiculous christian zealot and wannabe priest..yuck!) and wolverine (who is a whoremongering, alcoholic piece of backwoods redneck trash) compare to t'challa? they don't.

t'cahlla is one of the smartest, wealthiest (current vibranium situation aside), and morally sound men in her universe. he is a leader of thousands. he's handsome and strong. now all that would turn a woman like storm's head. and he's familiar--they met as children, long before she knew any of these other men.

these images are from 1980--5 years after storm's creation (storm was created in 1975). that's how long they go back. it was absolutely brilliant of hudlin et al. to know this background story and build on it as they did.

t'challa is also polytheistic--like she is--and from a similar cultural background. their worldview and spiritual outlooks match. i don't know if any of you've been married or even ever been in a relationship, but these are things that make a union more likely and believable. sue and reed? mary jane and peter? jean and scott? like these iconic pairings ororo and t'chall are made for each other. if storm and t'challa don't last it is simply a plot device by authors convinced by some fanboys' uninformed and undereducated incessant mewling.

"nuff said", you say? ...ok

this will be my last response here. i don't know what's fueling your ideas but it's certainly not plausibility, or logic or even common sense. it's just some adolescent, inexperienced whim, it seems. and i am better than that.

Posted by THUNDERBOLT30

@tempest x said:

@Storm Calling said:

@THUNDERBOLT30 said:

Uh, why can't she be both? Writing down her character to give her "more dimension" doesn't make much sense to me. And pretty much most women are objectifed in comics. A sad truth. Her being strong and indepedent should be a plus for someone like T'Challa. And keep in mind, Storm was in a relationship with Forge (so she wasn't sexless technically), and their was also potential for a pairing with Cable, Nightcrawler, and Wolverine. Most X-Women are strong without being in a relationship, and I don't think that her history had to be changed to add dimension to her.

^ Nuff said.

now that the school semester is finished:

"uh, why can't she be both?"

she is both, now at least. before, for decades, she was cold and distant and lonely. i like seeing her with a character who is her equal--her better even, in some ways, as she is his in others.

what's interesting to me is that we can see a character who's one of the most powerful people on her planet now intimately involved with another one of the most powerful people on the planet. and no, she couldn't dominate a man like that all the time, as though he was just a member of her squad.

how can forge (who was too weak and cowardly to even serve his people in the role he was groomed for), cable (a time displaced, jean&scott clone, UGH!), nightcrawler (who is a ridiculous christian zealot and wannabe priest..yuck!) and wolverine (who is a whoremongering, alcoholic piece of backwoods redneck trash) compare to t'challa? they don't.

t'cahlla is one of the smartest, wealthiest (current vibranium situation aside), and morally sound men in her universe. he is a leader of thousands. he's handsome and strong. now all that would turn a woman like storm's head. and he's familiar--they met as children, long before she knew any of these other men.

these images are from 1980--5 years after storm's creation (storm was created in 1975). that's how long they go back. it was absolutely brilliant of hudlin et al. to know this background story and build on it as they did.

t'challa is also polytheistic--like she is--and from a similar cultural background. their worldview and spiritual outlooks match. i don't know if any of you've been married or even ever been in a relationship, but these are things that make a union more likely and believable. sue and reed? mary jane and peter? jean and scott? like these iconic pairings ororo and t'chall are made for each other. if storm and t'challa don't last it is simply a plot device by authors convinced by some fanboys' uninformed and undereducated incessant mewling.

"nuff said", you say? ...ok

this will be my last response here. i don't know what's fueling your ideas but it's certainly not plausibility, or logic or even common sense. it's just some adolescent, inexperienced whim, it seems. and i am better than that.

Black Panther and Storm have never been written like any of the character pairings you mentioned, so I am not seeing your point there. If they were written like Scott and Jean or Sue and Reed, you would not have so many fans expressing their distaste for their marriage, let alone this poorly done retcon by Jerome Dickey. Dickey's story completely ignored the essence of what has strongly defined Storm's character and makes her appealing to her fans, and wrote her as a damsel in distress, despite previous showings of her already being fierce, independent, resourceful and inspiring to others before she met Black Panther. There really was no need to change how they met to make Storm more accessible or to "add dimension" when she already had depth to her character and back story.

And Hudlin didn't do his homework when it came to Storm, at least not very thoroughly. Hudlin wrote Storm and BP mediocre to poorly in most instances. Aside from too much focus on race in his story arcs, there was little to no substance or chemistry between BP and Storm, and Storm was written out of character most of them time under his pen. He even made Doom come off racist despite the fact that he isn't, and he was even once attracted to Storm. Look at Priest's portrayal of Storm when she appeared in his run on Black Panther and you will see a noticeable difference between Hudlin's poorly done work and his. Or how McDuffie handled them in Fantastic Four. They wrote them very well together.

Most fans, including myself, believe that Storm and BP CAN compliment each other if writers took the time to show the chemistry these two should have (i.e. - Priest's work is a good example). Powerful men have always been attracted to Storm, and not just for her beauty, and BP is obviously no exception. She has not had to written down for that chemistry to show between them or their relationship potential to be believable. As a king and being strongly independent and prideful himself, I do think he has greater potential with Storm as a mate than Forge, Wolverine, Cable or Kurt. But the big and most relevant difference between BP and them is that they actually respected her. Under Hudlin, T'Challa was insecure and arrogant to the point of his own detriment, and his stories favored the plot over developing Storm and T'Challa as a couple. I mean, while Storm was willing to sacrifice her life to save BP when he was in Limbo, we get T'Challa scolding her for intervening when they fought Doom in Latveria and completely ignores her while he was healing from Doom's subseuqnet attack prior to Doom war. Then we had Mayberry on Doom War and then Liss in BPMWF and neither did anything to add to or develop Storm and BP's relationship.

And both Storm Calling and I are very familiar with Storm and Black Panther. There is clear and mature logic and common sense in what was stated since we actually know the characters. No whims or rantings :-).

Edited by Storm Calling

@tempest x: Ok, first and foremost, I don't like any of the other pairings you assumed that I liked. TB was merely pointing out that Storm has in fact been in several relationships before she married T'Challa. She was not cold, distant and lonely before she met him. She may have been that way towards Forge at some point but she had good reasons to feel that way.

Second, I did support and do love the levels of similarities between the two characters. My problem, just as TB pointed out, was that several writers seemed to have trouble getting both character's personalities correct while they were together. Storm was way too passive and weak and T'Challa was way too aggressive, controlling, and erroneously prioritized. Storm came off as a kitchen-maid Wife and T'Challa came off as a terrible husband in the end. Neither one were in line with how their personalities should have been with the majority of the marriage, and that miniseries didn't help one bit.

Posted by Iamlovewithin500

Oh my @tempest x: is back.She gets very offended at the thought of anybody wanting the two to split. *rolls eyes
 
Basically everything Storm calling said, is why a lot of people want them to  split.There chemistry together was nothing more than another big MU gimmick.After the wedding,then what? 
 
They best not be sticking my gurl with some Children next,or  all hell is going to break loose.Though I wouldn't be surprised, because Marvel cant seem to get their crap together.I don't see the need in supporting this pathetic relationship.