Stormcell

Well, I'm exiting now and going back to lurker mode. Just had to get my two cents in. I won't even bother responding to PyroFN's rebuttal since I know he can't effectively reject my points. And if even tries to bring up Rachel getting a nosebleed from Jean's illusions, that was PIS done to overhype Jean. In X-Men Red, which happened after this, Jean admitted that Rachel would be a hard fight for her. So, how in the world is some illusion going to give her a nosebleed? Plus, Rachel did not have those unlimited TK/TP power levels she had back under Claremont in the earlier 2000s. Writers weakened her from those power levels years prior to Jean saying Rachel would give her a hard fight.

Exactly. Knull is not like Galactus, who has amazing TP defenses: https://2.bp.blogspot.com/_rntf6kX5OUobg7NKPBwAfrgTpsyTsrZwjzcfTeLZ4IiQlL3y4MlQ64Qo1UCONKGRzbMqYT0N8bu=s1600

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Now, while I think Xavier was devalued here given his fight with the Dark Phoenix, it at least shows that Galactus has immense psychic defenses which was reference again here: https://2.bp.blogspot.com/NhSlE6rAhD4fXZRRal-ILA4YJ8IOEzvcjv0wj_TzmvZE6CP4OQ2UbXK9S-TBuAwGW2AohDQtilMD5Q=s1600

Xavier was on the moon, and Galactus was on Skrullworld while all of this happened: https://2.bp.blogspot.com/xULEBCUPWYBSO2EU26uG7GFZUioaCaUwCFO750rNPwQG0-KWAZJ-jSQRZDDtKECuUhC1RAZVls7lVQ=s1600

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Incidently, going back to the scan from Secret Wars where Galactus threw Xavier's and Magneto's psionic energy back at them with barely any effort at all just goes to show how badly he was PIS'd in one of many ways when Jeen absorbed psionic energy and kicked him. Not only should he not even felt the kick (the guy can stand in the center of supernovas and not feel an itch), but he could've turned that psionic energy back upon her. This is a guy who is powerful enough to destroy the universe in some issues.

Jean has lost all credibility since there is no one Marvel won't devalue to try and make her look good.

Xavier and other psychics were clearly overlooked in order to give Jean this moment to shine before she succumbed to Knull's mind. It's all part of Marvel's ploy to try and present her as their top telepath now. Still, my point stands about the other psis being scaled back in power to raise Jean to this stature. I mean, it was a strain for her and Cable to communicate with each other across dimensions. 90s Sersi was able to do stuff like this while doing other feats simultaneously, and she's just an upper mid-tier telepath who's not in the category with people like Exodus, Emma, Xavier, Cassandra Nova, X-Man, Legion, and Shadow King (though technically he's a psionic demon-like entity of the Astral Plane, so it's probably not good to include him as a traditional telepath).

Classic Xavier fought the Dark Phoenix on all the infinite planes of existence simultaneously and was powerful enough to contact the X-Men from half a star-system away. He overcame Galactus's immense psychic defenses (and yes, Galactus's mental defenses were cited in the issue so we know that aspect of the character wasn't ignored) to not only communicate with him telepathically, but to channel the emotions of 8,000,000,000 Skrull minds into the World Devourer's psyche all while Galactus was standing on a planet and he (Xavier) was far away on a moon. He did all of this without Cerebro or some cosmic tweety bird boosting his powers. Now, you want to say Xavier with Cerebro can't do what Jean can do when she's much weaker than the power levels he wielded in his classic days? It just goes to show how badly Marvel has devalued their other telepaths for Jean's sake.

Rachel had virtually unlimited TP and TK power back when Emma beat her, and she was doing things like briefly holding up a city and creating small black holes. Her powers have been scaled back dramatically over the years to highlight Jean, and this new Hickman omega list was the final nail on the coffin for Rachel ever regaining her former power levels.

Classic Shadow King was powerful enough to mind control the planet after which he was going to absorb all the energy from negative emotions to boost his power so that he could expand his influence to the cosmos. He could do things like attack other characters a thousand different ways at once psychically in the classic days among other things. His skill and experience surpassed Classic Xavier's, and his base power levels were equal to Classic Xavier which he could augment to dwarf Xavier's by feeding off negative emotions on a wide scale.

Emma Frost is no longer a global-level telepath, and I suspect her trademark skill level is going to be diminished too for Jean to surpass her.

Classic Exodus beat Sersi telepathically in every encounter they had, he held his own against non-PIS'd Emma Frost for a while, he gave weakened Xavier a run for his money, and he defeated Rachel plus six other X-Men at the same time. Rachel probably still had those near-unlimited psi power levels when Exodus beat her and her teammates. Rachel alone would give Jean a hard fight, and this was after Rachel's power levels took a downgrade. Jean herself admitted that shecould hurt her in a fight in X-Men Red. So, there's no way Jean can beat Rachel plus six other X-Men at the same time especially if Rachel had the virtually unlimited TP and TK powers she wielded when she fought Emma and Exodus.

So, yeah, everytime I see Marvel trying to have Jean doing something now, I roll my eyes because I know what they've done to the other psychics to make her look good. And this isn't evening mentioning how Jean recently lost to Cassandra Nova (who is weaker than Xavier) and got dwarfed by X-Man and is still being presented as the strongest telepath.

Anyway, my two cents. Not going to drag this out in a long debate.

Heroes who can beat Spectrum:

Heralds of Galactus (I think most of them can beat her).

Storm (if you take her at her best, she can control the energies Spectrum turns into, and speed of thought>speed of light in the MU. Storm can attack with less than a conscious thought, so Spectrum can't speed blitz her.)

Dr. Strange

Quasar

Binary (She can absorb Monica's energy)

Heroes who can't beat Spectrum:

Telepaths: Storm and Magneto have proven that electricity and EM fields can be harnessed in ways to jam or, in Storm's case, fry telepaths when they try and use their powers against them. Spectrum can transform her entire body into these energy wavelengths.

Telekinetics: Spectrum can pass right through TK shields and take out the psi just the same as when she passed through Magneto's force-field and took him down.

Scarlet Witch: Her attack speed is too slow to stop Monica before she gets tagged.

Maybes:

Sersi

Ikaris

Other Eternals

Apocalypse (He's a hero now). The question is can Monica generate enough power to overload him. A Spectrum fan would have to provide evidence of how much power she can generate because Poccy can absorb energy in some stories. (His powerset is inconsistent).

Darkstar: Darkforce can contain Monica https://imgur.com/a/GBymZwT

But she can blast free if its not strong enough https://i.imgur.com/D0qkz4s.jpg

I'm thinking Darkstar may be more powerful than Blackout.

Invisible Woman (Maybe). Sue Richards can bend light around her, and we've seen her deflect gamma rays. I'd wager her force-field can repel any energy Monica can transform into meaning she isn't going to be walking through Sue's shields like she does other people's. The question is, how much power can Monica generate in her energy forms? If she can generate enough power, she could break through Sue's shield with overwhelming power.

I just wanted to add to my second point how badly Xavier has been devalued for Jean post Hickman. Jean and Cable strained to communicate with each other telepathically across dimensions while Xavier's psychic power penetrated the barriers of all the infinite places of existence when he fought Dark Phoenix.

@professorrespect: Well, let's see.

1) Sersi lasted longer against Exodus in both of her encounters than Jean ever did.

2) It was a strain for Jean and Cable to telepathically communicate with each other across dimensions. Sersi telepathically communicated across dimensions while doing other feats at the same time.

3) Sersi is also a global level telepath: https://i.imgur.com/Ch4HmDX.jpg

So, while Sersi's telepathy is not in the category with people like Classic Xavier, non-PIS'd Emma, Classic Exodus, Legion, X-Man, etc., an argument could be made to put her TP above Jean's.

And to state my position clearly, Apocalypse beats everyone on this list with the possible exception of Vulcan.

Exodus's character never followed the rule of lacking control when a mutant first comes into their powers. Right before Apocalypse creamed him, he defeated Sersi who has thousands of years of experience: https://2.bp.blogspot.com/aoqK_60Gip8y4ga8s7oAv7itwxXEXkL99LCOkpD4dtjCF8TfZx6cQF8c0ZVUxInsl_r0M7Yi4UK0iS_zfTnUOHxrUKduAqzMEE1UwTqlGLnjB1SEGasMc9h6yNL04J89BHxCnlyyrg=s1600

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And then, after Apocalypse locked him away and left him comatose like this: https://2.bp.blogspot.com/LYi2fpXdfY_ABH4yMGAuzb3A4GUeZeJgM2n1V-D1uHp1I0Yw7_0o5ynh6Ir_nUwa1gJa3Fy2lNhJRK_LYg329UUErBHHw4WV29jfeh_-gWEQeVSh6kHqkv-x65LTK5hq_6NMtqhkyQ=s1600

It was centuries until Magneto found him and woke him up. Hence, Exodus was still a novice with his powers during "Bloodties."

Sersi: For all your power, Exodus, you are still an amateur: https://2.bp.blogspot.com/MGoTeufCAP4EzQF67intWRr9pdyPewk8i9cgbrvUjTg0tJdWxRi9qpJskRfXY5q8xSNWsAAZg1nE9F0fuGufTfH11lLgMMBJmF8xwq-WHAEM9ZwmHNh-fDv_Qb22mwNxrg-nM-wfgns=s1600

Both Xavier and Exodus agree that he's a novice with his powers in "Bloodties": https://2.bp.blogspot.com/XmPdAB-ZtCnSrL07opMTkjgZbSSryH7QDGyPfZe_mkSZqdW43YyGwBMWxUtspWGZe7QUsFYzzE9pRyiKLV16LGDHhFPJaevqwy-wFjyWQYmMVXYnlTzYCdrkM7ShvCLquaxHSC1mUYE=s1600

So, basically, just it would've been just a few weeks after Magneto woke Exodus from the comatose state Apocalypse put him in that Exodus pulled those feats in Bloodties. It should also be noted that Sersi did better against Exodus in Bloodties that she did in Black Knight. While he was beating her telepathically in Bloodties (he was tearing her mind), she lasted longer here than she did against his mental powers in Black Knight when Poccy easily overpowered him.

And for anyone who tries to use that scan as a Jean fan (a laughable attempt at best if you tried), when she probed him for weaknesses, he was distracted doing all the other stuff in that scan that Xavier listed--fighting the heroes, messing with the crowd's mind, creating that force-field around Genosha and trying to crush the nation. Notice how Xavier said that Jean was held captive by Exodus. In other words, as we already knew, Exodus defeated Jean, Wanda, Cortez, and Quicksilver at the same time and took them captive.

In conclusion, I restate my thesis. Exodus does not follow the traditional logic that a character has no control over their powers when they first manifest. This is proven in his fights with Sersi and the other things he did on Genosha. This also means when Emma countered Exodus at every turn in the next decade that he had those years of pratice he talked about with Xavier to learn about his powers at that point. We even saw him do fine-tune control things like telekinetically building Xavier's mind back together atom by atom after it was blown apart by a bullet. The only other telekinetics I can recall off the top of my head with that level of skill are Candra and Phoenix Force hosts.

Tell that to the Jean fans who have never and will never give Storm's character her due when it comes to mental defenses since Ororo's feats at her best show that Jean's TP would be useless against her. ;)

@starchyldetsuna: Black Knight: Exodus

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