@pollymars: You're arguing multiple points that we already agree on.
Yes. Storm should be creative in the use of her powers.
Yes. Flash freeze and lightning are boring.
Yes. Storm doesn't need magnetism in most situations, but would still be nice for her to use even when she doesn't really need it.
I'm simply saying she hasn't needed to use it and I gave you numerous examples with how she would generally deal with the situations you presented.
Yes. It would be nice if she used magnetism to remove a craft from the ocean, but my point is she didn't need to do that in the situation from Pak's book for any reason. Not for creativity or because it would be easier. Should she use it in another situation that is similar to the one we see here, just to be creative? Yes.
@storm_calling: There hasn't been much of a reason for her to tap into these aspects of her powers? I've just pointed them out, but One being creativity. Someone in one of the posts said Lightning vs everything is basically mundane; it gets boring, predictable and is regressive. And he/she is right! Because thats the Storm we’ve gotten for so many years. So I strongly disagree with you on that.
And I provided other common ways that she would generally deal with them.
I never said she shouldn't be creative with her powers, I'm simply saying the situation hasn't really presented itself for her to do something like this. You provide a scan of her removing a craft from the ocean, and say she should use magnetism, when it makes more sense for her to use the ocean to bring it out. Not to mention, that was a creative use of her powers since she's only done a feat like this one other time(a decade before).
I agree. I would rather see Storm manipulate the water in this instance to show her diversity of power. Wait until she's on land to see her do something like mold metal into different forms with magnetism.
My thoughts exactly. I would prefer there to be a situation that specifically demanded from her to use magnetism.
I don't want it to be like moving bridges, ripping out adamantium skeletons, or have Sentinel Robots obey her every command. This power should come in handy if she's in a situation where there is a gun pointed at her, she can repell the gun away; if she's in a situation where she's wrapped around in metal coils after being caught by a sentinel robot, she can use her magnetic abilities to unravel the metal coils before splitting the robot in half. Or when there's a metal aircraft underwater and she wants to pull it up and bring it on to land. But I'll respect everyone's opinion
While that would be nice, generally she would just flash freeze the metal coils to shatter them in a situation like that. Or incinerate it with her lightning. Same principle with the underwater aircraft, as she has been in that situation and used her control over the water currents to escape.
I agree and don't think she needs to go into Magneto territory with her magnetism, and for the most part she hasn't really needed to. Which was was my main point. Hopefully there will be a situation at some point that will lead to her needing to use it. The scan Shepard posted seemed like she was doing something like that for example.
From what I've observed on this Storm forum; and going through posts, reading the comments, and loving the many pictures everyone provided - Storm has demonstrated many times that she can manipulate the ocean currents and Hydrogen. But she has never once demonstrated the ability to attract or repell metallic objects via magnetism.
I'm just pointing out the creativity aspect of her powers that don't get explored. Storm’s ability to control EM energy allows for a far more creativity than what we've seen her do. I would have never thought that Storm can indirectly cause lava to rise up from beneath the ground by manipulating the Planet's EM Field. Or had the ability to breath under water via electrolysis and that's because the writers saw the full potential behind Storm's mutant abilities.
If Storm can only control and manipulate the energy system that factor the weather, then there is still more that can be done with applying her elemental abilities in different ways that still fall under the umbrella of atmospheric phenomena. Electromagnetism alone has nearly an infinite array of potential for Storm to tap into. That was my point. But I can respect your opinion.
IIRC, she's only used ocean currents to move objects underwater one other time. In X-men Unlimited vol 2 #6. So I wouldn't really consider it to be many times.
I don't think we disagree on the other points. Magnetism is part of her powerset and should be explored, but like much of her potential, there hasn't been much of a reason for her to tap into these aspects of her powers. She generally uses her winds in teke fashion to control objects. In the case from the scans you posted, she was underwater. So ocean currents were the goto.
The coldest area in space is one degree above absolute zero. Going by this logic storm went one degree above absolute zero, not absolute zero so either way you spin it she didn't go absolute zero
Thank you, Mal. I was doing some research and thought I remembered seeing something about temperatures reaching lower than absolute zero in space, but this was actually a science experiment. So yeah, space is not true absolute zero, just relatively close.
I think it's better that we wait for an actual confirmation instead of deducing that she can. It's obvious most of us think it's possible, so that isn't the problem. We just need to be patient.
With her omega status out there, it's only a matter of time I suspect.
I agree. I would rather see Storm manipulate the water in this instance to show her diversity of power. Wait until she's on land to see her do something like mold metal into different forms with magnetism.
My thoughts exactly. I would prefer there to be a situation that specifically demanded from her to use magnetism.
Magnetism would have easily worked too, instead of using the ocean current to lift Harmon's underwater transport. Thor used magnetism to pull an Space craft out from under water seen here.
True, but this would once again fall back to a why she would need to when manipulating the water currents are enough?
@storm_calling: Ty! I wish I could say I was that organized that I went from past to present showings but it's mostly that Claremont is one of the few who cares enough to show her power in meaningful ways as we all know lol, though I did want to include the Extraordinary one since its recent and I just genuinely like it.
I'm just gratedul you guys are open to new input, while being a Storm fan sucks the community is genuinely nice and accepting making the effort worth it.
Nice addition! I was considering using that one instead since its gorgeous but decided to stick to the real one so that's perfect as an opening example for the section.
You're welcome! Let me know if you want to add anything else.
1. I Agree. This is an interesting find, but nothing in that panel says that she created Absolute Zero Temp. I think this statement is very vague for the fact a temperature was not even stated.
2. I also, think Storm can create Absolute Zero temps since she is capable of making Unnatural weather on Earth. I'm not sure if we can use the Hyperstorm feat due to the definition of absolute zero. If Absolute Zero temps is where molecules cease to move and come to a stop which is colder than space itself. And Storm was close to that with her Hyperstorm feat how is Psylocke and Laura and the rest of the Team able to move still??? If the HypersStorm that Storm created is colder than Space(Absolute Zero) everyone shouldn't be able to move at all.
The temperatures in deep space weren't considered absolute zero at the time. It was considered a few degrees above that.
Psylocke actually guarded Nightcrawler and herself with a teke field to protect them from the cold when they teleported into the chamber.
And Psylocke's Teke was actually beefed up to extreme levels here by her brother at the timeThen, after they took down Rachel, Storm moderated the effects of the cold in the chamber. So the others could enter. But Brain Child placed a device on her that forced her to continue generating the Hyperstorm under her own powerand eventually the temperatures in the room were going to flash freeze everyone
1. That's fair but I think you have to take into consideration what it would mean to totally freeze molten lava. The temperature at which molten lava exists can range from 1,292 to 2,192 °F. Assuming since the xmen were underground and near or close to the core of the earth these temperatures would be on the higher end. It would take an incredibly low temperature to remove the amount heat necessary to completely freeze molten lava. Lava becomes solid at 500 F but that is still too hot to be completely frozen as it its shown in the scan. Moreover, the scan didint say "generate the highest speeds and lowest temperatures possible I can make" but "generate the highest speeds and lowest temperatures possible." Ororo being a master and full control of her abilities would be able in my opinion to distinguish the difference between the two.
2. Agreed with all of your point here. Deep space is defined as 2.73 K. Absolutel zero is 0 K. If she said it was worse than deep space there is another example where she could have gotten close to absolute zero.
3. And that's fine boo. I was posting this to really reevaluate our original understanding of her temperature control.
That still doesn't mean she would need to freeze that low. She could've freezed close to that and still not achieved absolute zero. I'm not saying the cold she generated wasn't impressive. but she could've easily generated the -200° effect that she did to the gun in WAP to achieve the same effect.
Even if she didn't say "I'll pull in a wind from the outside. Generating the highest speeds and lowest temperatures I can possibly make", it's still reasonable to conclude she's referring to the effects that her powers can produce and not the highest winds and cold ever recorded. We would have to extrapolate all of her wind speed and temperature feats to infinity based on a vague statement.
Deep space wasn't considered absolute zero at the time the book was made. That's actually a fairly new discovery that came about years later. It was generally accepted to be around -271 C, or -456 F. Which is a few degrees above absolute zero. Also, now that I went back to read the issue, Psylocke is also referring to the fact that there's winds there to deal with. Unlike in deep space.
So it could be the same temperature as deep space, but with winds added to that effect; thus making it worse.
@shepardoakenprime: Your section has been added. I was able to get all the necessary scans, and I used the instance from the Marvels Epilogue issue for the opening example, if you don't mind.
Hi all. I elect to update the section of her ability to create cold to include up to the lowest possible temperatures which is absolute zero. Now I think most if not all would say there are no canonical instances of her creating absolute zero temperatures but I'm here to counter that.
First we define what is absolute temperature:
Thermodynamic temperature is defined by the third law of thermodynamics in which the theoretically lowest temperature is the null or zero point, ie the point of absolute zero.
Now the next question is has Ororo ever created the "lowest possible temperature" anywhere in canon? The answer would be yes and it occured early on in her career as an xman:
In an effort to save a young kitty from being burned to death by lava Ororo had to react drastically and wiickin to save her and the team's lives. So based upon this I move the kinetic energy or ice section be updated.
Interesting instance, but not definite enough in my opinion. For starters, this is Ororo's thoughts in the second panel, so she could just as easily be talking about the lowest temperatures she could possibly produce, which we still don't know yet.
Do I think she can create absolute zero? Yes. There's a compelling argument that can be made considering the things she's been able to produce that don't naturally exist on earth. Not to mention she's produce cold that Psylocke described was worse than deep space. Which is very near that.
Also, we're locked out of editing the OP again. Lol. This whole issue seems to be tied to the first post, as I can still edit the update sections without a problem.
Lots of really great examples and scans for why Storm is Mistress of the Elements. The level of finesse that she's needed to put into the big power displays in order to protect the natural order/delicate balance and the people around her, like the full on hurricanes(which you provided a nice scientific nugget for), just goes to show her absolute mastery in this field as other characters struggle with just the general and small scale weather effects. I really liked that you went back to the beginning and worked your way up to the modern day appearances, as it shows this has been a very consistent part of her powers for decades.
I thought the scan issue was solved, but it looks like removing them from your gallery still causes the thumbnail for the images to vanish. You can still view them by right-clicking the image to open the links in another tab though. So I can still access them.
I'll have it up on the OP soon. Thank you for all the work you've contributed. I know this wasn't easy, but people will appreciate it.
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