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#1 Edited by Storm Calling (3600 posts) - - Show Bio

@veitha: Thanks for clarifying about the vote, I assumed it was why you wanted to wait.

As for the rest of your post, I have only one thing to point out.

The point I made in my debate which obviously wasn't clear, is that NONE of roddy's team would have seen through the illusions because no one had an ability to see through all three types (which they would have needed to be able to perceive the true nature of things.

Roddy made it pretty clear that through Biosynth's energy sight(via mindlinking), they would be able to see through the holographic illusions as well(this would allow for her to see through a telepathic illusion also). The Heart of Kandrakar breaking an illusion isn't just limited to Will's person(at least, that's not how I interpreted it). The scans Roddy provided showed that it had removed the magical illusion entirely and allowed for everyone to see that it was.

So as far as I'm concerned, despite the fact that Will may still see a holographic or telepathic illusion after using the heart of kandrakar, which is debatable considering the mindlinking from the other telepaths may negate this, Biosynth and the three other telepaths would then only have to deal with the telepathic and holographic illusions after the magical one is negated.

So as you can see, this would allow for at least one of them to see through the illusion(Biosynth, who will sense no life within the illusions, and could may even discover this within the magical ones as well considering Storm has been able to sense Varnae's powerful dark magic(who is also an ancient Atlantean sorcerer)), which would then grant the entire team freedom of the illusion via mindlinking.

#2 Edited by Storm Calling (3600 posts) - - Show Bio

@beatboks1: You had a pretty solid team but I felt you ultimately put too much effort into having characters on your team with too many powers as opposed to picking a team that is proficient in a "particular" power. Arion weather manipulation for example, I saw nothing that convinced me it was on par with Biosynth's. You just posted some scans of him throwing lightning bolts and boulders. I'm not going to drag this into an extended debate and I don't plan to change your opinion on the matter. I read both sides and felt Roddy's team had a stronger offense and counters.

1. You don't seem to understand how mindlinking works. If characters are "mind linked" then they are perceiving and communicating with everyone on the team. This means that it will only take one to see through the illusion before they all will. Roddy's team has three telepaths(very powerful and skilled) mindlinking everyone, which includes Biosynthe. It doesn't matter what sort of illusions you've placed and reinforced for your team, several characters on Roddy's team will be perceiving something else entirely, and they will know something's up. Not to mention I don't think the magical ones will be effective considering the heart of Kandrakar(which you claimed wouldn't work because your team's magic was older, and Roddy claimed that it wasn't).

So with the magical illusions no longer being effective(in my opinion), I don't see Biosynthe and three very skilled telepaths having an issue seeing through a telepathic and holographic illusion. As for Ultra Humanite, you can now see why I wouldn't consider this a proper example for a counter against this argument. Ultra Humanite is one mind, and does not have the same amount of counter measures as Roddy's team does.

2. Actually, I've seen Xavier do this before(siphon the psionic energy of an entire culture) and Jean is above him in overall raw power and potential. I'm not certain if Roddy provided that to you, but I'm also quite knowledgeable when it comes to telepaths. I automatically assumed it wasn't something that was beyond the range of Jean's powers(even without PF).

3.

The i can simply be unable to strike at any point an attack on my team is made. It doesn't matter how powerful the attack is, if it can't hit me it can't stop me.

With clairvoyance, you're making the assumption that it can be avoided. Which stems back to why I said clairvoyance shouldn't be automatically assumed to be a victory. There is knowing your opponent, and then there is fighting your opponent. Your team has to fight regardless of whether or not they lose this battle. So it cannot be counted completely against Roddy's team, even if it does in fact give yours some advantages.

It was a great debate overall and I felt you both brought your a-games to it.

#3 Edited by Storm Calling (3600 posts) - - Show Bio

@roddy010: Outstanding work Roddy. I think you proved quite well that despite the fact that certain characters have access to an assortment of powers, it doesn't mean they are on the same caliber as characters that are more prominent in that area for that specific powers. Same Power=/=Equal Power because there are degrees of power levels that relate to the same power, especially in relation to telepathy. Age=/=More Powerful because power and skill can outdo wisdom and experience if it's strong and proficient enough(the reverses holds true as well). Old magic vs New Magic really isn't a argument to me. It's either powerful enough to go toe to toe with each other or it isn't. It being older changes nothing.

More has to be applied in these scenarios for me and I think Roddy proved his side much better. Clairvoyance=/=instant win because there's no proof that the prediction will be in the favor of the bearer. Yes, there are ways to prep for the battle but that still doesn't mean it'll be enough unless the prediction was in fact in their favor. In this case, we don't know, and the thing to remember here is the fact that they'd have to fight regardless of whether or not they've determined how the battle might've played out. Knowing that you're getting your butt kicked tomorrow, does little to change the fact that it's going to happen. You can maybe try to alter the outcome but you still have to face it regardless.

Roddy's team has too many counter measures against their illusions, mind control, defenses and stealth attacks. Keeping in mind, that everyone is mindlinked, I don't think they will have any problem finding out about the illusions because several of them will be seeing something completely different than the other. I think this fight will lead to a direct confrontation after all else is said and done, and Roddy's team appears to be much more impressive for one of those.

Green team gets my vote.

#4 Edited by Storm Calling (3600 posts) - - Show Bio

Juggernaut runs over him.

#5 Posted by Storm Calling (3600 posts) - - Show Bio

@tonix: Gotcha. Thanks for clarifying.

#6 Posted by Storm Calling (3600 posts) - - Show Bio

@tonix: He can't block her lightning... Not if she doesn't want him to, but agreed. She wins this.

#7 Edited by Storm Calling (3600 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty said:

@gxrevolution96: I said she maintained hovering continually not forever. Regardless of his nature, status or reputation, im going by feats. You have named the hovering and the great wall of fire. Just like JJ never had a reason to use lightning, azula never had reason to set a lake on fire. But that doesnt mean she couldnt. Are there any other feats to add for JJ? If not, he is still lacking feats Imo. @metaljimmor: Im not disregarding what he has shown. He hovered. she could glide. he created a great wall of fire. she produced lightning. Creating lightning is the single most powerful fire bending without an amp. @storm_calling: His status means little in a debate. He was never shown beating a master or anyone else for that matter except fodder. the fire wall was impressive but azula showed abilities that he never showed.

To set the record straight, I think JJ is better then Azula because of experience and his status in white lotus. but I have not SEEN him do anything that ours him above her. And definitely nothing that ours him on Ozai or Iroh level. Much of his power is assumed or speculated

Actually I think status can be taken into account in a debate, especially if said character has very little feats to go on. I don't think he really needs to be shown(in this case) fighting masters and shooting lightning in order to prove that he is a high ranking character powerwise in the series. It's pretty obvious to anyone who's seen the series that he is one, but I don't think this necessarily proves that Jeong Jeong is on the level of someone like Iroh or Bumi's though(the firelord is still questionable in my opinion), considering they are way better established characters and have far more feats to back them. So I agree with the majority of what you're saying.

#8 Edited by Storm Calling (3600 posts) - - Show Bio

@pooty said:

@arcus:

Simply put: JJ never had enough screen time to show case his skills. i don't think his few showings confirm him being on Azula level

He was a high ranking general, recognized as a genius in firebending, a prodigy in his teenage years and the first person to defect from the firenation military without being killed or caught. His feats in the finale strongly indicate that he was on or above Azula's level. I would personally place him well above Azula. She was impressive against the kids, but I never saw her throw down with one of the old masters and dominate.

#9 Edited by Storm Calling (3600 posts) - - Show Bio

I'll have to read through the thread more, but I think Korra has a slight advantage with her pro bending skills and all four elements.

#10 Edited by Storm Calling (3600 posts) - - Show Bio

Great matchup, but I think Huu needs prep for the vines he'll need to defend against the sort of attacks Combustion Man can unleash. Does he start off with the vines in the plant beast form? I think Jeong Jeong may can defend against CM's attacks, but if Huu goes down early he's going to have too much trouble with Pakku and CM at the same time.