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EmmaFrost says:

"I've just fixed all this for ya and added some of my own stuff. Being an Emma Frost expert and stuff, hope you don't mind.Also, people need to remember not to add their "own" comments in these pages such as putting some random picture of Emma up and calling it "Sexy." It looks entirely unprofessional.I also deleted some of the images which didn't belong in the specific category, etc.
Post Edited:2007-11-27 22:00:06"

No problem, I don't know a whole lot about Emma (rather, I didn't know much before starting to edit the page). I just saw that the page had one or two paragraphs per section, and found that it was really hard to read. So, I thought I'd split up the paragraphs a bit to make it easier for people that don't know anything about Emma.

Anyway, yeah, an Emma Frost expert is a great help.

When I spread out the text a bit, I found that putting some pictures in made it look much better. But, yeah, the comments could have been much better (and I think they are).

All I was really asking was where the battle took place in the timeline (based on other information in the text), but this is better (at least workload-wise).

After the tragedy in Genosha, Emma joined the X-Men and dropped her "White Queen" code name. She began teaching at the Xavier Institute and personally trained the Stepford Cuckoos who became her prized pupils. They would battle together with the X-Men against Cassandra Nova, which is how Emma and the Stepford Cuckoos became trusted members. Emma began giving psychic therapy for Cyclops (Who had become distant from his wife, Jean). The therapy would soon become a secret psychic affair between the two.

Now, again, I'm not completely sure where it fits, but the line "They would battle together with the X-Men against Cassandra Nova, which is how Emma and the Stepford Cuckoos became trusted members." is the only new piece of information in this section.

I'd like to remove the paragraph and move the picture 'Emma emerging from the destruction of Genosha' up near the top of the Aftermath section, probably replacing the 'Emma again' image, as that's where it would fit.

But I don't want to just lose the information, and I don't know exactly where it goes.

So, if someone could tell me (or add it in themselves, I suppose) where it would belong, that would be great.

Other thoughts/plans are to move 'Emma shattered in pieces' up to the paragraph where Beast finds her like that, and rework The Phoenix, House of M, and Civil War - present sections like the others. Possibly do the same for powers and Ultimate Emma (the rest are small enough not to need it, although I'll probably do minor edits).

I'll also add in a thanks to whoever added the new images - it does add to the page.

Hmm... I don't remember Peter or Hiro being able to stop time with another, except for the single instance of Dark Future Hiro + Peter, which could be an aspect of Peter's power rather than Hiro's - meaning he couldn't stop time with Sylar.

In any case, I'll agree that if Peter can use multiple powers at once and is not surprised by one or both, he'll be able to take them out and leave before anyone realizes what happened.

As for trust, a good point. However, Sylar could be able to behave until Magneto and Wolverine are brought down, as shown in his travels with Mohinder (sort of) - reinforced by the fact he'll get Magnetic Control, Regeneration and natural claws for doing so. Peter, honestly, would be less likely to work with Sylar - but I suspect that if he knows they'll both die if they don't work together, he will as well. Once both are killed, the game's on between Peter and Sylar. Of course, now Sylar has regeneration...

On the note of the skull, I believe that all instances of his cutting open Wolverine's skull is after the Adamantium has been removed one way or another.

Now, I said it was assuming the same conditions, which included the limit of one power at a time (for Peter). We don't know for sure if it's an actual limit or a real limit, but at the least it's a psychological limitation and one put on that fight.

So, he couldn't freeze time while insubstantial, rip out the skeleton while insubstantial or time-stopped.

Although, he could go substantial, freeze time and pull the metal out of Sylar's head (if it's sticking out) or out of Wolverine (again, if sticking out) and move one or both bodies to climb up to Magneto, pull off his helmet and slam it into his head physically. Then restart time and it's Peter vs. Wolverine. Here, Peter wins.

So, if he comes up with this, and Magneto can't affect him while insubstantial, he wins. Yes. But if he can't come up with it, the best he can do is escape. If Magneto can affect him, he may be able to kill Peter while he thinks himself safe.

Legendary Bio Vishanti says:

"Magneto throws Wolvie at Sylar at high speeds and Wolvie's claws go right through Sylar, then Magneto gets metal from something and creates a metal shield and then Wolvie kills Peter."

While Peter and Sylar stand still?

Now to see if I can comee up with a Magneto/Wolverine victory...

Assuming the same conditions. Now, I will say that Magneto is quite intelligent and their advantage is that they are each used to working on a team, while Peter and Sylar aren't.

Quick sidenote, how I view the Magnetic Control is like this: Magneto's control is like a large bunch of sticks (fairly thick sticks, and a large bunch), while Peter's copy is like a tree. If they each attempt only one thing, one on one, Peter could likely overwhelm Magneto. However, Magneto can greatly reduce Peter's efficiency while doing other things.

Magneto pushes Wolverine towards the pair, and Sylar slows him with his telekinesis. Meanwhile, Peter goes insubstantial and begins to charge Magneto. As soon as Peter moves, Magneto rips a portion of the metal in his costume out and has it circle the room quickly.

Peter gets past Wolverine and Magneto has another piece of metal fly towards Peter's stomach. He doesn't even try to move, and it flies through and (we'll say) into Wolverine. As Peter gets within about six steps from Magneto, he takes off into the air and pulls the metal across the room towards Sylar's head (Sylar still holding Wolverine back well).

Sylar cries out as his skull is pierced and drops to the ground. Peter can't get at Magneto without opening himself up to attack, and if he tries to fight Wolverine, Magneto (now only using his ability to hold himself in the air and to increase Wolverine's speed) won't lose his 'ally' and will likely kill him as soon as he becomes substantial. The best he can hope for is a draw, assuming Magneto can't affect him while he's insubstantial.

Thinking on it, if they were willing to kill, Peter can only use one power at a time, and Wolverine and Magneto's costume are the only metal in the room, here's a likely scenario:

Peter goes insubstantial and gets over to Magneto while Sylar holds back Wolverine. Magneto exerts control over Wolverine enough to get him moving towards Sylar.

Peter sticks his hand into Magneto's chest and resubstantializes (you know what I mean) and begins to hold Wolverine still. Sylar walks over to Magneto's dead body and takes his power, however he does it.

The pair rip out Wolverine's adamantium, and pin him to the ground with it. The pair open his head and Sylar gets to work (getting the ability to heal, and growing claws).

Peter then reapplies the Adamantium to Sylar's bones and takes Magneto's helmet and cape.

Well, assuming Peter can use multiple powers at once, then yeah. Even if not, he just goes intangible and does as D.L. did to Magneto. Sylar and Peter vs Wolverine is still a decent fight, but they should be able to at least nullify him.

As for liquification, are we sure it's not still metal? If it is, then it won't do anything to stop Magneto. If it isn't, then it's much more likely that P/S will win. Plus (unless I'm forgetting something), we haven't seen the power work at a distance.

Nullification, Magneto would probably be stopped, or lessened more than enough to do what they want, although I'm not sure if he could nullify Wolverine (but Dark Future Peter could definitely).

For Peter - at least as I understand it, he has the ability at it's full power, but definitely not full control. If he did, he wouldn't have exploded (or else Ted and/or Sylar would have exploded long ago - and I'm not counting in the Bennet's house, as Ted was seriously injured and quite distracted).
Post Edited:2007-11-23 15:52:50

Thanks.

I'll give Banshee credit, at least for now. If anyone has evidence it's wrong, they can feel free to change it or post here, and I'll put it in.

Most likely, assuming they knew these were the teams, Peter would use his Magnetic Control (from Magneto) to manipulate Wolverine into slicing up Magneto, at the same time Sylar uses his Telekinesis to do the same.

I'm guessing that (over the Adamantium) Peter's TK <= Sylar's TK <= Peter's MC < Magneto's MC <= Peter's MC + Sylar's TK; Peter's TK < Peter's MC; and that over the battle, Peter's MC could become as good or better than Magneto's.

Magneto would need to use his full ability to stop Wolverine, I would guess, but he's smart. So, he might rip the metal off his bones (again) to allow Wolverine to be helpful. If Sylar has left over power, he could try to distract Magneto long enough to get Wolverine over, but assuming he doesn't...

Once Wolverine recovers, Peter and Magneto would lose their manipulation of him, and instead could use the Adamantium as weapons directly. Sylar could move Wolverine, but if this happened early enough, would be needed to help from having them speared by Adamantium. Meanwhile, Wolverine could use his bone claws to take them out.

So, it'll come down to how quickly Peter can get to Magneto's level of control over his powers and how quickly Wolverine can recover from the Adamantium being ripped out.

Of course, Dark Future Sylar and Dark Future Peter... Well, it would be similar, but it would be much more likely that Peter could exceed Magneto's control during the battle.

And, of course, if Magneto's Magnetic Control and Sylar's Telekinesis are equal, Peter could use the Magnetic Control to remove the Adamantium (or the Telekinesis, I suppose) then go bone claw to bone claw with Wolverine, but if he did, I'd bet on Wolverine. And de-metaled Wolverine + Magneto vs. Sylar, I'd bet against Sylar.

Apparently, they didn’t know about Emma,Sabretooth and Jubilee living at the mansion, since, when Jubilee returned and ran a scan, he found that these three were the only ones still themselves. He freed them and destroyed the computer system to prevent Xavier’s information from falling into the Collective’s hands. Since Cyclops, Phoenix, Wolverine and Cable tried to free the captive X-Men, Emma and Banshee went to rescue a few new mutants who had been hunted by the Phalanx,

I'll admit, I don't know enough about the story to know who it was, so I'll ask here: Who ran the scan that revealed Emma, Sabretooth and Jubilee as the only ones that hadn't been replaced?

Was it Jubilee, and the mentions of "he" should be "she"?

One of the male X-Men mentioned (Cyclops, Wolverine, Cable or Banshee)?

Or someone else?

Or am I (or someone else) going to have to find the comic it's in to find out?
Post Edited:2007-11-23 13:32:09