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Posted by geraldthesloth

Gawd Cyclops is way better.

Posted by Ferro Vida

Cyclops has lead the X-men for sixty years (real world time) and is currently leading an entire species. I think he takes this.

Posted by The_Martian

I think Cyclops is a better leader than Batman(Bruce).

Posted by Ferro Vida
@Nobody: What about Dick?
Posted by The_Martian
@Ferro Vida:  Him too.
Posted by Son_of_Magnus
@Nobody said:
" I think Cyclops is a better leader than Batman(Bruce). "
No way the success with leading the JLA, Outsiders, and his own Batfamily speaks way more than Cyclops Cyclops has Emma doing have his stuff for him as well
Posted by The_Martian
@Son_of_Magnus said:
" @Nobody said:
" I think Cyclops is a better leader than Batman(Bruce). "
No way the success with leading the JLA, Outsiders, and his own Batfamily speaks way more than Cyclops Cyclops has Emma doing have his stuff for him as well "
Cyclops has not only been leading the X-Men for  way longer than Batman has ever lead a team. He is now currently leading an entire nation of mutants. Batman hasn't come close to that.
Posted by Ferro Vida
@Nobody: lol Agreed
 
@Son_of_Magnus:
... Cyclops is currently leading a species.
Posted by Son_of_Magnus
@Nobody:  Batman ha sled a fabricated strike force with members much more powerful and loosely wound than that of Scott. As well quantity is not the deal by that you are saying Namor Doom Black Adam are all great leaders. Batman has a better record
Posted by The_Martian
@Son_of_Magnus:  I would agree that Namor, Doom, and Black Adam are all better leaders than Batman.
Posted by Son_of_Magnus
@Nobody:  Namor Doom and Black Adam have nothing that puts that as good leaders there people hate them there countries have all crumbled Doom is a good tactician I will say that but I still would put Batman Deathstroke Captain America and other field operatives above him in that department
Posted by The_Martian
@Son_of_Magnus:  Being a good leader doesn't mean you are liked. Batman is tactical, thats all that he has. That's not all there is to being a leader.
Posted by Tim_Drake4444
@Nobody said:
" @Son_of_Magnus:  Being a good leader doesn't mean you are liked. Batman is tactical, thats all that he has. That's not all there is to being a leader. "

Bruce was never known for being a great leader. If anything I'd put Dick over him, and Scott at the top.
Posted by The_Martian
@Tim_Drake4444 said:
" @Nobody said:
" @Son_of_Magnus:  Being a good leader doesn't mean you are liked. Batman is tactical, thats all that he has. That's not all there is to being a leader. "
Bruce was never known for being a great leader. If anything I'd put Dick over him, and Scott at the top. "
I could see that.
Posted by spiderguylll
@Tim_Drake4444: YES YES YES
Posted by Son_of_Magnus
@Nobody:  Look at after he died DC Earth fell to sh@t it was even mentioned somewhere that Bruce could have prevented or eased up Blackest Night. Bruce's network has spawned multiple teams all of which are successful and every hero seems to follow his orders whether they like it or not and it turns out for the best Green Arrow was mentioning that. Bruce had plans to take down each member of the Super Human community. He studied both his enemies and his friends till his eyes bled.I think the fact that under his supervision the JLA and his anti crime syndicates were some of the most successful groups around says something
Posted by Son_of_Magnus
@Tim_Drake4444 said:
" @Nobody said:
" @Son_of_Magnus:  Being a good leader doesn't mean you are liked. Batman is tactical, thats all that he has. That's not all there is to being a leader. "
Bruce was never known for being a great leader. If anything I'd put Dick over him, and Scott at the top. "
Dick led the Titans for a while and just started the JLA and is failing he has no leader experience
Posted by The_Martian
@Son_of_Magnus:  I'm not denying that Batman is probably the best tactical leader. There is no denying that, he is more intelligent and has better equipment to analyze situations, etc. But what I'm saying is that there is a lot more to being a leader than just being tactical.
Posted by Son_of_Magnus
@Nobody:  I am probably reading all of this the wrong way lol.
Posted by Tim_Drake4444
@Son_of_Magnus said:
" @Tim_Drake4444 said:
" @Nobody said:
" @Son_of_Magnus:  Being a good leader doesn't mean you are liked. Batman is tactical, thats all that he has. That's not all there is to being a leader. "
Bruce was never known for being a great leader. If anything I'd put Dick over him, and Scott at the top. "
Dick led the Titans for a while and just started the JLA and is failing he has no leader experience "

He led the Titans for many years. People look up to him not just because he is a good leader, but also because of his character. That's why I still put him over Bruce.
Posted by Ferro Vida
@spiderguylll: Reply in the thread, not PMs.
 
Your point? Cyclops has been leading the X-men and X-Factor since he was sixteen years old. That's a good twelve or thirteen years in comics. He has demonstrated an astronomical ability to devise strategies on the fly, he doesn't underestimate his opponents, and (for the third time) he is currently leading a whole species.
Posted by Vance Astro

Is this even a real question? How is Dick in anyway comparable to Scott?

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Posted by Ferro Vida
@Vance Astro: I'm sure SoM has an explanation for you.
Posted by Son_of_Magnus
@Ferro Vida said:
" @Vance Astro: I'm sure SoM has an explanation for you. "
I was not defending Dick
Posted by Lunacyde

Scottie wins!

Posted by Ferro Vida
@Son_of_Magnus: Was a joke xD
Posted by ThanosIsMad

Technically, yes.  In terms of battle strategy and tactics, Cyclops lags behind Batman significantly.  However, people respect Cyclops a hell of a lot more than they do Batman and are more likely to follow Cyclops than they are Batman.  And on that merit, Cyclops is better.  Technically, Nightwing is a better leader than Batman for the same reasons Cyclops is, though he doesn't possess the tactical eye Bruce has.

Posted by spiderguylll
@ThanosIsMad:  Thats what I was thinking....
Posted by Lunacyde
@ThanosIsMad: I wouldn't say people don't respect him.....everyone respects Batman....they just don't like him.
Posted by Ferro Vida
@ThanosIsMad: Cyclops is a master strategist and tactician...
Posted by Son_of_Magnus
@Ferro Vida said:
" @Son_of_Magnus: Was a joke xD "

Posted by Son_of_Magnus
@Lunacyde said:
" @ThanosIsMad: I wouldn't say people don't respect him.....everyone respects Batman....they just don't like him. "
Well he does have a tendency to be a distrusting @$$ hole =P
Posted by Undergroundgod

Dick is way better, Scott is only a leader in title, his team mates don't really care what he has to say. Dick has way more sway over his teams. Bruce is a leader because no one would dream of betting against The Batman.  Captain America, and Black Panther are better leaders than Scott aswell IMO.
Posted by geraldthesloth
@Undergroundgod said:
" Dick is way better, Scott is only a leader in title, his team mates don't really care what he has to say. Dick has way more sway over his teams. Bruce is a leader because no one would dream of betting against The Batman.  Captain America, and Black Panther are better leaders than Scott aswell IMO. "
60 years of comic books disagree with you about the X-men not caring about what Cyclops says, not to mention the various teams and nation that he's leading, Cyclops is an extremely better leader than Bruce or T'challa is.
Posted by Neon_Nemesis

Probably, I would feel more comfortable following Scott then Bruce

Posted by Ferro Vida
@geraldthesloth said:
" @Undergroundgod said:
" Dick is way better, Scott is only a leader in title, his team mates don't really care what he has to say. Dick has way more sway over his teams. Bruce is a leader because no one would dream of betting against The Batman.  Captain America, and Black Panther are better leaders than Scott aswell IMO. "
60 years of comic books disagree with you about the X-men not caring about what Cyclops says, not to mention the various teams and nation that he's leading, Cyclops is an extremely better leader than Bruce or T'challa is. "



It's a bit small, but read what Wolverine is saying about Scott here :)
Posted by Undergroundgod
@Neon_Nemesis said:
"Probably, I would feel more comfortable following Scott then Bruce "

I would follow Bruce, I would tell Scott to shut his stupid bitch mouth. 60 years of comic books and all. He is a dumb jock, and gets his teams almost killed all the time. Let me ask you something how manny X-Men have lost their lives over the years under Scotts command?  Do you know how manny have lost their lives under Dick?  Bruce has lost a dumb ass side kick, but he has never lost anyone in a team setting.
Posted by Undergroundgod
@Ferro Vida said:
" @geraldthesloth said:
" @Undergroundgod said:
" Dick is way better, Scott is only a leader in title, his team mates don't really care what he has to say. Dick has way more sway over his teams. Bruce is a leader because no one would dream of betting against The Batman.  Captain America, and Black Panther are better leaders than Scott aswell IMO. "
60 years of comic books disagree with you about the X-men not caring about what Cyclops says, not to mention the various teams and nation that he's leading, Cyclops is an extremely better leader than Bruce or T'challa is. "



 
It's a bit small, but read what Wolverine is saying about Scott here :) "

Wolverines opinon has never really meant anything to me... So I really don't care, no offense meant. I mean what is his IQ level, High70's Low80's maybe?
Posted by Ferro Vida
@Undergroundgod: So you claim none of the X-men care for what he has to say, then when I show you that that isn't true you shrug it off? Yeah.
Posted by geraldthesloth
@Undergroundgod said:
" @Neon_Nemesis said:
"Probably, I would feel more comfortable following Scott then Bruce "
I would follow Bruce, I would tell Scott to shut his stupid bitch mouth. 60 years of comic books and all. He is a dumb jock, and gets his teams almost killed all the time. Let me ask you something how manny X-Men have lost their lives over the years under Scotts command?  Do you know how manny have lost their lives under Dick?  Bruce has lost a dumb ass side kick, but he has never lost anyone in a team setting. "
Give me an instance of Cyclops losing a team member under his control that wasn't Jean Grey controlled by the Phoenix, Bruce Wayne created plans to stop his team members if something ever happened to them, the fact someone makes plans to defeat you behind your back isn't enough proof to show he isn't a worthy leader?
Posted by Undergroundgod
@Ferro Vida said:
" @Undergroundgod: So you claim none of the X-men care for what he has to say, then when I show you that that isn't true you shrug it off? Yeah. "

Because it is just one scan, now I haven't read X-Men for a while now but I used to... How manny times have the X-Men just brushed Scott off, and done just fine? Scott is a good leader in that Team Captain kind of way, but he is not even close to as well rounded as Dick or Bruce. T'Challa is way more competent than Scott Summers aswell.
Posted by rbysjti

Yes. Cyclops is a better leader. Batman prefers to be alone or do things alone.

Posted by tensor

Bruce better leader than scott summers any day plus half the time he does not even get his respect for a leader

Posted by geraldthesloth
@Undergroundgod said:
" @Ferro Vida said:
" @Undergroundgod: So you claim none of the X-men care for what he has to say, then when I show you that that isn't true you shrug it off? Yeah. "
Because it is just one scan, now I haven't read X-Men for a while now but I used to... How manny times have the X-Men just brushed Scott off, and done just fine? Scott is a good leader in that Team Captain kind of way, but he is not even close to as well rounded as Dick or Bruce. T'Challa is way more competent than Scott Summers aswell. "
What are you talking about? The team has always followed Scott's command because they know he's so damn good at it.
Posted by geraldthesloth
@tensor said:
" Bruce better leader than scott summers any day plus half the time he does not even get his respect for a leader "
Bruce doesn't get respect because he's a bad leader.
Posted by Undergroundgod
@geraldthesloth said:
" @Undergroundgod said:
" @Ferro Vida said:
" @Undergroundgod: So you claim none of the X-men care for what he has to say, then when I show you that that isn't true you shrug it off? Yeah. "
Because it is just one scan, now I haven't read X-Men for a while now but I used to... How manny times have the X-Men just brushed Scott off, and done just fine? Scott is a good leader in that Team Captain kind of way, but he is not even close to as well rounded as Dick or Bruce. T'Challa is way more competent than Scott Summers aswell. "
What are you talking about? The team has always followed Scott's command because they know he's so damn good at it. "
No one else wants the job. Plus that is wrong because there has been other X-Men teams not lead by Scott.
@geraldthesloth said:
" @Undergroundgod said:
" @Neon_Nemesis said:
"Probably, I would feel more comfortable following Scott then Bruce "
I would follow Bruce, I would tell Scott to shut his stupid bitch mouth. 60 years of comic books and all. He is a dumb jock, and gets his teams almost killed all the time. Let me ask you something how manny X-Men have lost their lives over the years under Scotts command?  Do you know how manny have lost their lives under Dick?  Bruce has lost a dumb ass side kick, but he has never lost anyone in a team setting. "
Give me an instance of Cyclops losing a team member under his control that wasn't Jean Grey controlled by the Phoenix, Bruce Wayne created plans to stop his team members if something ever happened to them, the fact someone makes plans to defeat you behind your back isn't enough proof to show he isn't a worthy leader? "

No that is not proof! I would do the same thing, thats called being a good leader. 
 
Edited by CosmicSpiral
@geraldthesloth said:

" @Undergroundgod said:

" @Neon_Nemesis said:
"Probably, I would feel more comfortable following Scott then Bruce "
I would follow Bruce, I would tell Scott to shut his stupid bitch mouth. 60 years of comic books and all. He is a dumb jock, and gets his teams almost killed all the time. Let me ask you something how manny X-Men have lost their lives over the years under Scotts command?  Do you know how manny have lost their lives under Dick?  Bruce has lost a dumb ass side kick, but he has never lost anyone in a team setting. "
Give me an instance of Cyclops losing a team member under his control that wasn't Jean Grey controlled by the Phoenix, Bruce Wayne created plans to stop his team members if something ever happened to them, the fact someone makes plans to defeat you behind your back isn't enough proof to show he isn't a worthy leader? "
It's not the planning that shows his capability (or lack of capability) as a leader, it's the general scope of those plans. I'm sure throughout the years Cyclops worried that some of the X-Men or students were potentially bad apples, and prepared for the worst possible scenario. But Batman became paranoid as hell after he realized that his memory got wiped, and saw the entire tree as possibly rotten. Batman couldn't be a leader then because he didn't trust anyone, and you definitely can't build or lead a team if you doubt them at every step.  
Posted by tensor
@geraldthesloth: an how is scott a good leader? plz tell
Posted by geraldthesloth
@Undergroundgod: So having a plan to kill your teammates and them finding out is an instance of being a good leader? good one.
 
I know there has, I acknowledged it in my earlier post, plenty of people have wanted to lead the X-men as a whole at times.
Posted by geraldthesloth
@tensor said:
" @geraldthesloth: an how is scott a good leader? plz tell "
Check the earlier posts.
 
@CosmicSpiral said:
" @geraldthesloth said:

" @Undergroundgod said:

" @Neon_Nemesis said:
"Probably, I would feel more comfortable following Scott then Bruce "
I would follow Bruce, I would tell Scott to shut his stupid bitch mouth. 60 years of comic books and all. He is a dumb jock, and gets his teams almost killed all the time. Let me ask you something how manny X-Men have lost their lives over the years under Scotts command?  Do you know how manny have lost their lives under Dick?  Bruce has lost a dumb ass side kick, but he has never lost anyone in a team setting. "
Give me an instance of Cyclops losing a team member under his control that wasn't Jean Grey controlled by the Phoenix, Bruce Wayne created plans to stop his team members if something ever happened to them, the fact someone makes plans to defeat you behind your back isn't enough proof to show he isn't a worthy leader? "
It's not the planning that shows his capability (or lack of capability) as a leader, it's the general scope of those plans. I'm sure throughout the years Cyclops worried that some of the X-Men or students were potentially bad apples, and prepared for the worst possible scenario. But Batman became paranoid as hell after he realized that his memory got wiped, and saw the entire tree as possibly rotten. Batman couldn't be a leader then because he didn't trust anyone, and you definitely can't build or lead a team if you doubt them at every step.   "

Whoop there it is!
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