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#1 Posted by Sovereign Vance (735 posts) - - Show Bio

The Champion shouldn't even be on that list.He doesn't even have better fighting skill feats than Nick Fury.

#2 Posted by Sovereign Vance (735 posts) - - Show Bio

These things have nothing to do with each other.

#3 Posted by Sovereign Vance (735 posts) - - Show Bio
@HBKTimHBK said:

 Daredevil is good, but Cassandra is one of the best martial artists in comics. Not the best, but one of the best.

Daredevil is one of the best fighters in comics as well.Not a good argument.
#4 Posted by Sovereign Vance (735 posts) - - Show Bio
@Valtot said:
" @Sovereign Vance: he would mean chaos war hercules at his peak is stronger than Rune King thor "
I know what he meant.I'm asking where he got the information....
#5 Posted by Sovereign Vance (735 posts) - - Show Bio
@Renee said:
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SHAZAM!

#6 Posted by Sovereign Vance (735 posts) - - Show Bio
@tensor said:
" strongest version of Hercules will beat the strongest version of Thor "
Where are you getting this?

@seekquaze said:  "
You have some of the strongest points and they seem to be the key to the rest of the debate so I thought I would address them:1.  Could you please cite a story example or something as proof?  All the direct comparisons I am aware of such as the two arm wrestling portrays them as equal.  You have already covered the trouble with inconsistances in your debate with other posters.  As for the sky, the way it was portrayed in Pak and Lente has led me to believe that is somewhat metaphysical.  Atlas was released from his burden and the sky did not come tumbling down.  I do not doubt it is a strength feat, but I don't see how it proofs Hercules is stronger than Thor.  I admit in is highly possible Hercules has a few better strength feats than Thor, but I don't yet see how that is proof either.  Thor tends to rely on his other powers when the going gets too tough so he has to rely less on his physical strength.  The trouble with different writers is one day Herc or Thor could be cracking planets in half with one blow and the next they can barely lift a tank.  2.  You are right about this.  Hercules usually fights with only his fists compared to Thor who fights mostly with a weapon.  It makes sense for Hercules to be a bit better at it. For me the difference is so minute that is doesn't matter that much.  It gives Hercules a slight edge in h2h battles, but not enough that I see him winning every time in such a fight.  I do admit if Hercules and Thor were to go at it h2h Herc probable takes at least 6/10.  However, I would also say that if the two were fighting purely mace vs. club with no other powers than Thor would be better since he fights a lot more with his hammer.3.  Currently, I would say the two are equals here.  You are right that there is a good chance Thor will age overtime and weaken if only a little.  At the same time given Thor's unique heritage there is a chance he may not.  IIRC, in one story the Time Twister, Immortus, or someone that could manipulate time tried to age Thor and it didn't work.  Of course, that could be attributed that something about Thor's godly nature protected him.  Part of the trouble is we rarely see old Asgardians and we don't know much about why Thor's forefathers are so powerful.  Odin is an old man and still pretty much equal to Zeus thanks to his mystical powers.  Buri, Thor's great-grandfather, either thanks to his mystical powers or his own innate strength is still about equal to Thor.  We don't know whether or not Thor's own innate mystical power will grow to make him equal to Bor or Odin, if his inheritance of the Odinpower will make up for it, or what.  The same can be said for Hercules as well.  If any primary power increased comes from inheriting their father's powers I would have to go with Thor.  We discussed on another thread the apparent advantages and disadvantages of Zeus's Thunderbolt vs. the Odinpower.4.  I give you this one.  I don't think its a case of Thor couldn't get them if he wants them.  Hercules one or twice has gotten jealous when he is the center of attention and Thor becomes the center of attention when he walks into a room.  At the same time, while Thor is friendly and polite Hercules does come across as a bit more charming and approachable.  I tried to read all of the posts, but many of them didn't seem to relate much to these points so I skimmed them.  If you already addressed any of these points and I missed it I apologize. "
Alot of these points were points I made yet I was told I was in denial for making them.
#7 Edited by Sovereign Vance (735 posts) - - Show Bio
@PowerHerc said:

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Oaky you've explained why you don't accept it.  It did happen and it still stands. You only get to decide for yourself.

If you accept the rules you wouldn't accept it either and it wouldn't stand but you're allowed to accept what ever you want. "
I can?  Just like you?  Really?  Oh boy! "
No..you can't now.Privileges revoked.
#8 Posted by Sovereign Vance (735 posts) - - Show Bio
@PowerHerc said:

Oaky you've explained why you don't accept it.  It did happen and it still stands. You only get to decide for yourself.

If you accept the rules you wouldn't accept it either and it wouldn't stand but you're allowed to accept what ever you want.
#9 Edited by Sovereign Vance (735 posts) - - Show Bio
@PowerHerc said:

" @Sovereign Vance said:

"@PowerHerc said:

" @Sovereign Vance: Read some comics. "

WTF does this even mean? What does reading comics have to do with my response.I'm not lacking any knowledge of what any character can or cannot do or what has been done.We are arguing over what should and should not be accepted as a feat. The rules explicitly state that one time feats should not be thrown out but WEIGHED AGAINST REGULAR APPEARANCES AND DISPLAYS OF ABILITIES. So If the feat is contradictory to what the character shows regularly then it's not something you can use.Those are the rules as written by the mods of the forum.     "


I think you are lacking knowledge. 

Herc lifting the world isn't contradictory.  It's been known for thousands of years and is now Marvel canon.  It's arguable that Herc's lower-end straining feats are the inconsistent ones. 

 

Incidently; all caps doesn't intimidate me or get your point across any better (I doubt anything could), it merely tells me you're getting angry or frustrated.

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How isn't it contradictory? Hercules doesn't regularly lift things that are earth size and frequently struggled to lift smaller things...his entire career. So in what way isn't that contradictory.My opinion on this has nothing to do with knowledge of comics. I know what happened in the comic I simply taking what was is shown and explaining why I don't think it's a strength feat.You can't say that what Herc DOES ALL THE TIME is inconsistent and what he did once is consistent.I'm not trying to intimidate you.Again..stop trying to make this personal.Why is every post a personal attack? I don't care about you.I'm trying to get my point across.Everything I CAPS is for emphasis not for intimidation or to pretend i'm yelling.I have nothing to be angry about.
#10 Edited by Sovereign Vance (735 posts) - - Show Bio
@PowerHerc said:

" @Sovereign Vance: Read some comics. "

WTF does this even mean? What does reading comics have to do with my response.I'm not lacking any knowledge of what any character can or cannot do or what has been done.We are arguing over what should and should not be accepted as a feat. The rules explicitly state that one time feats should not be thrown out but WEIGHED AGAINST REGULAR APPEARANCES AND DISPLAYS OF ABILITIES. So If the feat is contradictory to what the character shows regularly then it's not something you can use.Those are the rules as written by the mods of the forum.