Recent Drawings: Jean Grey: Emma Frost's Dismay

Usually when the two leading ladies of the X-Men, Emma Frost and Jean Grey, are pitted against each other, the White Queen is quickly labeled as the villain. It's understandable since she was once a villain and she did terrible stuff against the team of mutants she now calls home. Still, people forget that although Jean was once the sweet and innocent Marvel Girl, the first X-Woman has done her share of damage to the X-Men as Phoenix.

Both ladies have been on both sides of the battle field and both ladies seem to hold a rivalry that will hold for a very long time. Even now that one of them is "gone" the other still fights for trust and attention. Cyclops and Wolverine have both put their trust on Emma like they once did on Jean and the rest of the X-Men have allowed to be led by this queen, even if they are not too keen on her presence. Anyways, it always seems like between Emma and Jean, Jean is always the victim but what about Emma? I know I shouldn't be defending the cold woman since I was one of the many people who "boo-ed her off the stage" when she and Scott began dating. Yet she has been able to grow on me.

If we think about it, Emma is the one who suffers more hardship because she lives under the shadow of a great woman. Which is why I came up with the drawing below:

Tell me what you think! Is it strange to see Emma be the vulnerable one while Jean takes the credit for the villain?

-- Geo (sora_thekey) 24/7 geek! -- Follow me on Twitter: @sora_thekey


Recent Drawings: Scarlet Witch: "Alas, poor Vision! I knew him"


Okay, I sometimes become a literature-nut... Just a warning.

I like to read, I guess we all do otherwise why would we spend time on comic books, and while my Shakespearean knowledge is limited I do know of some Hamlet. Of course, one of the most famous quotes from this play is the following:

First Clown: A pestilence on him for a mad rogue! 'a pour'd a flagon of Rhenish on my head once. This same skull, sir, was, sir, Yorick's skull, the King's jester.
Hamlet: This? [Takes the skull]
First Clown: E'en that.
Hamlet: Alas, poor Yorick! I knew him, Horatio, a fellow of infinite jest, of most excellent fancy. He hath bore me on his back a thousand times, and now how abhorr'd in my imagination it is! My gorge rises at it.

This scene in the play focuses on what starts to be a series of jokes against clowns. That is until the skull of the king's court jester is dug up bringing Prince Hamlet to the sour conclusion that all living things die. Making the morbid jokes cease and philosophical aspect of decay surround the scene. This is where the famous line: "Alas, poor Yorick! I knew him, Horatio" (sometimes misquoted: "Alas, poor Yorick! I knew him well") comes from.

After this Shakespeare lesson I would like to present you to my parody of this scene. I mentioned before that most of the time, when I don't know what or who to draw I resort to drawing Gwen Stacy, Disney’s Ariel (The Little Mermaid) or the Scarlet Witch. Once again in this case I drew Scarlet Witch:

It's not my best work, I know but I do hope you guys liked my little parody of the scene with one of the best couples in comics that is presently separated by death (or Stature if she counts).

PS. Drew this back in April but I forgot I had which is why I'm just now posting it.

-- Geo (sora_thekey) 24/7 geek! -- Follow me on Twitter: @sora_thekey


Recent Drawings: New 52 - Harley Quinn

When the New 52 announcement came about I was pretty excited. It's always been hard for me to get into reading DC Comics but now I can jump right in no problem.

While there are some things I still don't understand, I am enjoying a lot of the new series. One of the negative things that the New 52 brought though were some of the costumes changes. I can't really say I am liking most of them, especially Poison Ivy's.

Some, on the other hand, are growing on me. Like Harely's! (Right) To be honest the first time I saw it I hated it but after seeing Harley in a jumpsuit for so long you kind of find it weird for her to be wearing so little. Then again, it worked for Arkham Asylum.

Anyways I decided to try out the costume into a drawing and I must say I had fun drawing this... so I guess here new look isn't that bad (Just get rid of the Red/Blue combo and put her back in Red/Black).

-- Geo (sora_thekey) 24/7 geek! -- Follow me on Twitter: @sora_thekey


Recent Drawings: Loki the Scarlet Witch

Loki/Scarlet Witch
Loki/Scarlet Witcch

Some time ago, when Osborn's Dark Reign was still happening, I drew what I though would be a fun piece showing Loki's two female sides.

Back then Thor's half-brother was a man trapped in a woman's body, Sif's body to be exact, and he took advantage of his lady-like looks to fool the Mighty Avengers. Staring on issue #21 the Mighty Avengers were newly formed by who they all thought was the Scarlet Witch. It wasn't a few issues later when it was revealed that behind the ruby exterior was in fact female Loki (Left) with an ulterior motive.

I came up with the idea of showing She-Loki transform into the Scarlet Witch, a sort of half-and-half image. Of course, what I came up with back in 2010 was not flattering at all (Right)! Recently I revisited my old gallery of drawings searching for something to break the artist block I was having. That's when I saw the drawing. I thought that I might give the drawing another attempt and came up with this:

I do think it's better than the one I came up with before but I can't help but think something is off. At least the split between the two women is a lot more seamless. Either way hopefully you liked it.

-- Geo (sora_thekey) 24/7 geek! -- Follow me on Twitter: @sora_thekey


Recent Drawings: Ultimate Spider-Woman's Nightmare

Earth-1610 Ultimate

Remember my first ever "Recent Drawings" post? It showcased what I think would creep into Ultimate Gwen Stacy's nightmares. The same way I think that the Carnage/Venom creature that appeared in Ultimate Spider-Man #128 must haunt Gwen, I figured that Doc Ock would haunt Jessica Drew.

I think it was issue #103 where Otto Octavius was revealed as the man responsible for the Clone Saga in the Ultimate Universe. There Jessica Drew learned about herself and the reality behind her birth. Now Jessica is the only part of Peter Parker that is left in this universe and even though the eight-legged doctor was killed by the Green Goblin I believe that he would still haunt her nightmares.

So I guess that explains the purpose of the drawing. Sadly I don't color or ink so the full scope can not be seen. The idea is for Spider-Woman to be in the dark as the tentacles and the glasses only creep out from behind... Of course if anyone wants to tackle this with some awesome colors I wouldn't mind! :)

Let me know what you think!

-- Geo (sora_thekey) 24/7 geek! -- Follow me on Twitter: @sora_thekey


Recent Drawings: Avengers: Earth Mightiest Heroes - Wasp

I have a tendency to re-image costumes, usually costumes I might not like or think that need a fix. For example, around a year ago I attempted to re-do Kitty Pryde's Wolverine and the X-Men costume. This time I tried Avengers: Earth Mightiest Heroes's Wasp. While the television show is amazing, I think that Janet's Wasp outfit is probably the most unrealistic and unflattering in the show.

After taking a good look at it (Right) I thought that the costume didn't need big changes just some simple tailor fixes that will make Janet look sexier while still having that innocent Tinker Bell look. All I did was make her skirt less flourish and more skin tight and also having her antennae be smaller.

Hopefully I achieved what I was attempting. Let me know what you think:

UPDATE: My friend Azzel Haruno colored this for me.

-- Geo (sora_thekey) 24/7 geek! -- Follow me on Twitter: @sora_thekey


The Amazing Spider-Man Film That Could Have Been by David Fincher

The Amazing Spider-Man

Before Marc Webb took on the "simple" task of directing The Amazing Spider-Man film, David Fincher, director of The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo, was in the Spider-Man film director shortlist in 1999 and then again for the reboot. In a recent interview with io9, Fincher explains how he would have originally handled the movie's title sequence:

My impression what Spider-Man could be is very different from what Sam [Raimi] did or what Sam wanted to do. I think the reason he directed that movie was because he wanted to do the Marvel comic superhero. I was never interested in the genesis story. I couldn't get past a guy getting bit by a red and blue spider. It was just a problem… It was not something that I felt I could do straight-faced. I wanted to start with Gwen Stacy and the Green Goblin, and I wanted to kill Gwen Stacy.

The title sequence of the movie that I was going to do was going to be a ten minute — basically a music video, an opera, which was going to be the one shot that took you through the entire Peter Parker [backstory]. Bit by a radio active spider, the death of Uncle Ben, the loss of Mary Jane, and [then the movie] was going to begin with Peter meeting Gwen Stacy. It was a very different thing, it wasn't the teenager story. It was much more of the guy who's settled into being a freak.

It seems like Fincher was going in the correct route by telling Spidey's origin story in just the title sequence the same way that Banner's origin was showcased in The Incredible Hulk. Although, I'm not sure that killing Gwen Stacy in her first movie would allow the audience to really care for the character's passing. Plus, Captain Stacy should die before her daughter does just like in the comics, something that, from what we can see in some set images, might be happening in Webb's film.

We have been teased to what Webb's Spider-Man interpretation will be, but, based on what you read above, do you think that Fincher might have made a better film?

-- Geo (sora_thekey) 24/7 geek! -- Follow me on Twitter: @sora_thekey


CV's Roundtable User Discussion 022 - Death

Greetings Comic Vine readers! Welcome to the twenty-second "Roundtable User Discussion"! [Applause]

- "But what is a Roundtable User Discussion, Self?"

- "I'm glad you asked, Voice Inside My Head!" (The voices in the host's head are for entertainment purposes only. Yellow boxes are sold separately)

Well you see, a couple of CV users virtually met up to talk comic books and other comic-related topics. That conversation has been posted here for you guys to see, read and enjoy. Be sure to comment below where you can submit your own opinions after reading ours. Also, go back and read our past conversations (Here) and share your thoughts. Even if you disagree with us, we like comments.

I am Geo, known to the internet as sora_thekey and I will be moderating this discussion and giving my amazing insight along the way. Don't worry the voices in my head will not interfere because in reality I'm not crazy (I think).

Please welcome the participants of this Roundtable (RT): For the first time welcome Decoy Elite (Decoy), thanosrules (TR) andThe Impersonator (Imp). Also give a warm round of applause for the amazing Icarusflies (Icarus) making her RT comeback. Wave to the crowd puppets... I mean, poppets.

Icarus: No Mr. Bond….I expect you to die. >strokes guinea pig<

O_o Uh….I mean…this isn't a death ray! It's a…a new shower fixture! :D

>_> / <_<


Decoy: Hello, I am Decoy Elite, the ultimate distraction. Master of all things webcomics... except for the things I haven't read.

Imp: Alright! It's good to join the club. WHOO!-HOO! :D Now where are the drinks? :P

Ooops. I forgot to introduce myself. I was just drinking the Molson Canadian beer. :P By the way, I'm the Impersonator who likes to impersonate anyone. It's nice to meet you all. CHEERS! :P

TR: Hello, my name is thanosrules, and I'm a comiholic. I surround myself with comic related items. They are my yellow sun, green lantern, power comic? ;)

Imp: Nice to meet you, thanos and a good username too. Can I have one of your infinity gems? :P

TR: Nice to meet you Impersonator, but apparently you forgot, I gave you the Time gem, you messed things up and I had to go back and change things back. ;)

Imp: LOL! yeah, I did kinda messed up with time. Sorry about that. :P Well, it's time for the discussion. :P


This should prove to be an interesting discussion with all of you here. Today's topic of discussion is DEATH! (Cue dramatic music and lightning). But before we begin talking about this controversial subject I want to know what you have all been up to.

Batman: The Black Mirror HC

Right now I'm working on catching up with some comics because I've been gone for some time: Avenging Spider-Man in one hand and Ultimate Comics X-Men in the other. Plus a new Batman: The Black Mirror HC is calling me out as I write this. Oh and I've been drawing, a lot, I just haven't posted any of my drawings for the past few months. Right now I'm working on a interesting Loki and Scarlet Witch image.

What have you been reading, writing, watching or drawing that is comic book related?

Icarus: Comics:

Long list of books Icarus has read!




B.P.R.D: Hell on Earth: Russia


Sweet Tooth



Action Comics

Animal Man


Justice League International

Red Lanterns


Swamp Thing



Demon Knights

Green Lantern

My Greatest Adventure



Justice League



Tiny Titans


The Flash

I, Vampire

Teen Titans



Dr. McNinja


Let’s Be Friends Again


Romantically Apocalyptic

Hark! A Vagrant

Boxer Hockey


The Punchline is Machismo

Featuring Talking Guinea Pigs

Hyperbole and a Half


String Theory

Rare Candy Treatment

Dr. Cat

Johnny Wander

Battle Pug


Jhall Pokémon

Hipster Hitler

Whoa that's a lot of comics Icarus!

Imp: Well, I was busy writing Wolverine fan-fic series. The series is titled, Project X: The Birth of Wolverine. So far I wrote 65 chapters. It's been a lot of work which I have done in the fan-fic forum lately. I never thought I had the full energy to do it. Man. that was quite a healing factor there. But for now, I'll be taking a break and enjoy the snowy ashes of winter. :P

On the other hand, I'm also reading other user's fan-fics. Their stories were brilliant. Most of the writers I find talented are KisserNe, TypingKira, and Mechanical_Ape.

On the TV side. I watch Naruto Shippuden episodes in crunchyroll. :)


TR: Hmm... what have I been up to? Well... buying comics, reading comics, reviewing comics. Yikes. This was a big week on top of all that - massive purchase on Wednesday (relatively). I just read/reviewed Magneto: Not a Hero #2, I have The Shade #3 up next and was going to listen to the CV Podcast once I had some free time. In fact, I have been listening to all the back podcasts for a while now, taking forever to catch up (I just joined CV on October 7th, 2011). The rest of my current read/review list is here.

I am not sure I can list all the other comics I am trying to get in, but my near term plans include all of the following issues:

  1. What If? (both series, and all the one-shots)
  2. Civil War (trades and related tie-ins)
  3. Fear Itself (non-tie in issues)

and more!

Recent notable purchases:

  1. All 10 Starman Trades
  2. All available Walking Dead Trades
  3. All available CHEW Trades
  4. All available The Boys Trades
  5. Both Cowboy Ninja Viking Trades

and more!

You see, I have been out of the comic game for 15 years now... I am just catching up where I left off. I have A LOT to catch up on. Comic Vine FTW!

Finally, on a very long drive from Illinois to Texas last night, I thought up of a new character I want to start writing about. :)

Imp: Oh yeah, I also forgot to mention that Icarusflies is a talented writer too. Since she's already with us at the roundtable. Right, Icarus? :P

There are also other talented writers in the fan-fic forum. Amazing work! :)

Man! Everybody has been busy!


Decoy: Honestly I'm not current with any print comics right now, but I've been reading lots of old stuff. I actually just finished Sandman, blasphemy to take this long I know. Also, as usual, I've been reading lots of webcomics such as Gunnerkrigg Court which stands out amount them just because it's plot is starting to move a bit more again.

You know, I've never read Sandman...

Decoy: You should. It's one of the few times I've liked Death in comics. ;)

Nice segue Decoy!

Fine lets get on topic then. Like I mentioned before today we are going to talk about comic book deaths so I want to know what you all think about them.

Q1: We all know that comic book deaths are a big deal in comics and that in most cases death is not a definite ending point to a character. What is your perception of comic book deaths?

Decoy: I don't like Comic Book deaths, mostly because they're either pointless or a waste of a character. There's a few exceptions for the most part, but overall Comic death is just all-around a bad idea.

TR: Thanos says, "Don't get any ideas, Death is mine!"

Death of Captain Marvel

On a more "serious" note... Because I have been off of the comic tread-mill for so long, I was surprised to hear of all the "deaths" over the past few years. It wasn't like when Captain Marvel died and the first "Marvel Graphic Novel" was born. Now, it feels like a "last resort" plot device, meant to churn advertising and interest. My comic fan heart does not want to admit that many of the recent deaths have been a marketing ploy, but it does feel that way at times. It also feels like "comic deaths" are way more important to the "big two" publishers...

Icarus: Comic deaths have two tiers: Major and Minor. Major character deaths tend to be worthless, reversed, and pointless. HOWEVER, it's all about the story with those. If one can write a good death AND resurrection the death is worth it. If not, it's just a money-making scheme.

Minor character deaths are often not reversed and make the more dedicated fans sad.

Imp: Comic book deaths are really necessary. Well, not most of the character deaths. If you think about it, it does have an impact on their friends, heroes, or whatsoever. But a comic book fan might not like the fact that their favourite character is dead. How will she or he react? But it depends on the story and where it's going. To me, a death could be temporary if a certain character has to return. If not, then its permanent.

So would you say you like them Imp? Or are you just giving us an elaborate "depends"?

Imp: I wouldn't say I like the character deaths. If the character dies, I would accept it since it's part of the story.

Decoy: I wouldn't accept it because if they're a major character they'll be back in a month. I mean, just look at Captain America.

As for minor characters, well my rage over the death of Stilt-Man is well documented.

TR: I accept them for what they are. If they are a good and necessary part of the story arc, then so be it.

It seems like the prominent reaction is negative.

Q2: Can you think of a comic book death that made you evoke some emotion? Whether it'd be positive or negative?

Silver Surfer Requiem

TR: I have to say, Silver Surfer Requiem did make my heart sink a bit...

Imp: Hmmmm. Interesting question. I would say the recent death of Batman. I felt mad about it at first, I thought he was totally killed by Darkseid. I mean, he never gets killed or beaten down (Well Bane did break his back though). Because he's Batman.

Ted Kord

Icarus: I have cried SO HARD over several comic deaths.

Ted Kord.

Sue + Ralph Dibny.

Ted Kord.

Agent "!"... and did I mention Ted Kord?

Imp: Ted Kord was a gruesome death to watch. I can't imagine a superhero like him gets shot by none other than Maxwell.

Icarus: Oh, and I did kinda cheer over the deaths of Magog and Libra. >_>

And probably some other people I'm forgetting right now.

TR: Also notable for me, the death of Thanos in Annihilation - awesome. I was impressed. Happy for Drax, happy for Thanos, and I loved his reaction. "Interesting."

Ultimate Comics - The Death of Spider-Man

For me it would have to be the recent Death of Spider-Man. That was very well handled story arc.

Decoy: I didn't like Ult Spider-Man's death because even if it was well written it had gimmick written all over it.

Get out!

Decoy: When it's done right I actually love comic deaths, they can be a great goodbye to a character or a fitting end for a villain. But more often than not it's just a cheap gimmick or the writer throwing a character "no one" know about under the bus. Which I find really, really annoying.

Icarus: I think writers have been a bit better about not killing characters I actually care about recently…so no.

Please keep in mind that since I'm a big DC reader there's been more character RETCON than character DEATH as of late.

Imp: I'll be back, guys. I'm going to make some tea. :P

Bring me some!

TR: Because I am catching up on years of stuff, the older ones are what I have "fresh" in my mind. The rest I hear spoilers about, like Human Torch, Nightcrawler and even Spidey. Because I have not caught up to read those stories, I hear about them and I am like "wow, really?" So sadly, I do not have more of a comment on recent deaths.

Even Thor's "sacrifice" to ensure the death of the Serpent generated no more than a "meh, he will be back" - and there he is, still in the comics, fighting giant whales in the afterlife. ;)

Decoy: See? Deaths have just been so badly handled for so long that at this point they're just pointless. At least when it comes to the big two. Marvel seems to be the worst offender, with writers openly admitting they brought in a newish character just to kill him off.

I guess because he's a god then death is handled differently, but we'll talk about Gods later. I keep mentioning Ultimate Spider-Man's death because like Decoy mentioned, the story was well handled but it seemed like a gimmick from the start.

Q3: There are some cases where the return of a deceased character is very well handled, how do you feel about those deaths then? (Like Fantastic Four #600 or when Bucky became the Winter Solider.)

Icarus: As I mentioned earlier, the resurrection is just as important as, OR MORE IMPORTANT THAN the death. Superboy's death and resurrection, for example, were masterfully handled, and lead to stories that actually expanded him as a character.

Winter Soldier

TR: PROPER resurrection is critical a death/resurrection story arc. It will define whether or not the reader feels cheated (or if the death was just a marketing ploy by the publisher).

That said, I am embarrassed to say that I have not yet read about the resurrection of Thanos for the Thanos Imperative, but I like the idea of it. This, due to how Thanos has always "transcended" physical death and how he has an actual relationship with the "idea" of death. Resurrecting him makes him angry, because it takes him away from his love. In a way, it is a nice play on the concept, close to breaching the fourth wall in terms of how the reader may conceptualize the concept of death as a character and an event.

Imp: I'm back!

Now to answer that question about being back :P, I felt it's important to bring those characters from the dead. Because there bound to be stories to tell about them. It may be a long time to see that they have been dead for ages. For Jean Grey, I can't say for sure when she'll be back. But who knows? She may appear sometime in the future. It could be a surprise for all we know. Right? And we'll be like WHAAAAAAAAAAAAT?

Decoy: Not to be morbid, no not in our death discussion here, but for me it depends on how warm the body is. Bring back a character after years then I still can view the death as meaningful, bring them back in the same issue and I'm going to be calling the writer some very bad words that I can't say on this site.


Icarus: I have to agree with Decoy on that. An issue-long death doesn't really count. Give some time for impact, and then make fans exuberant when…SURPRISE! They're back!

The EXCEPTION being with death-based characters whose powers could easily bring them back…(ready for a mandatory Umbrella Academy reference?) The Séance for example.

Decoy: I just wanted to add that they death and resurrection also needs to be done well. Although that probably goes without saying.

So wait are you two actually saying that the return of a dead character doesn't bother you unless it is handled right and there is a significant amount of time in between?

Icarus: Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying.

Decoy: Yup. Simple as that.

Okay then, follow up question(s) for everyone.

Batman R.I.P.

If the resurrection of a character is well handled and there is a significant amount of time between the death and the return, does that mean that Captain America, Cable and Batman had enough of that time in between to make their deaths significant? Does that mean that Nightcrawler has been dead for long enough? Does this mean that it applies for Jean Grey?

Decoy: I would motion to say Batman was never really dead.

Cap, I felt seem to have enough time, but maybe that was just because of how sloppy and pointless his death felt. Cable, eh, not really. But Time travel can help with that.

Death of Nightcrwler

Nightcrawler...I want to say yes, but honestly it's only because I really like Nightcrawler. They should wait a bit longer, assuming they're going to bring him back..which they totally are.

Icarus: Well Sora, I think with those characters it's a somewhat different matter: everyone KNEW they would be back. And I don't think most of the resurrections OR deaths were handled well with most of them. Batman's barely made sense (I liked it anyway. >_>). I don't even know how Captain America came back. Cable is lame and is being written by Loeb.

Death of Captain America

Nightcrawler is adorable and needs to be brought back. Jean Gray just needs to STAY DEAD ALREADY.

TR: I guess it also depends on HOW they died.

Captain Marvel has been dead for a LONG time. He died of cancer. His death had meaning, both to the story and socially.

I am not sure how you come back from that. He wasn't put in a time capsule or frozen "until there was a cure". I guess someone could time travel and kill Nitro before he caused any issues for Cap, but then again, someone could just go kill Death and no one will ever die again. ;)

Jean Grey

Imp: I don't think Nightcrawler has been dead long enough. It doesn't apply to Jean Grey since she's dead a long time ago. But since Nightcrawler AoA version is crossing over to Earth 616. I would say Nightcrawler's death is permanent.

I felt like it was the right time to bring Cap back since Bucky doesn't prove to be the next Captain America. Because Steve is always the Cap.

For Cable, I can't say for sure if he can die. Time travel has a lot of ways to bring this X-character back.

TR: Anyway, to answer specifically for those characters:

  1. Batman - he was just misplaced in time right?
  2. Jean Grey - Phoenix is another word for "crying wolf"
  3. Nightcrawler - he died to protect hope (literally I guess), he should come back, and there are many plot devices that can be used to make it "feel right"
  4. Captain America - no comment

Decoy: Hasn't Jean Grey only been brought back once? I never understood why she got so much flack. I think Captain America has been brought back more times than her.

Jean Grey is not dead! She's alive somewhere in the universe! (Phoenix: Endsong) But anyways, there's another type of death we haven't talked about.

Q4: How should gods' (or god-like creatures) deaths be handled? Thor and Loki died but their stories didn't end the moment they died.

Icarus: Depends on the character. I think the way the Endless die and are replaced is a good example. Don't want to give spoilers though.

Death of Thor

Decoy: Gods deaths should be handled as a big deal and maybe not even possible.

Personally I liked how The Sandman dealt with the possible death of abstracts, not going to spoil it, but it was pretty awesome in my opinion.

Icarus: Copycat. xP

Do you guys think gods should even die?

Decoy: Depends on the situation and the God. I think guys like Thor can, I mean his death is embedded in Norse Myth itself.

Death of Loki

Icarus: [I say] Yes. When they outgrow their usefulness and become obsolete.

Decoy: Outgrow their usefulness? How does a character even do that?

Icarus: Gods are created for specific purposes. Once man ceases being afraid of the dark, moon gods become useless, for example.

However, I don't think this is common in comics, AT ALL, the only real exceptions being the Sandman and Lucifer series. Just kinda Neil Gaiman's thing.

TR: I do not think gods or god-like characters actually die. I think their characters are either "put on pause" or immediately seen in an "afterlife" (like Thor).

Counter-Point: We do see Aegis and Tenebrous actually get absorbed by "The Crunch" at the end of Annihilation... and they were as powerful as Galactus, so I guess they do not fit my statement above... unless of course their "physical body" is really just a manifestation of energy which could be re-formed at a later time (thus "put on pause").

I guess it does depend on the character and the circumstance. But that is another conversation entirely - then we have to talk about power levels, physical composition, relationship to death and the afterlife, etc.

In a way I say most of the comic book characters who die are "put on pause".

Imp: I don't think the Gods should die because they're supposed to be immortal. They do have some weakness though. For example, the Golden Hind can kill the Greek gods. For the Norse mythology, a mistletoe can kill the Norse gods. But then what's the point of calling them Gods if they can die. Right? :P

Decoy: It really is just a varied mess when it comes to Gods. :P

Rule of thumb seems to be that they should only temporarily "die" most of the time. Helps with the whole resurrection thing in comics.

Okay then, lets move away from the immortal and move toward the mere mortals of the comic book universe.

Q5: Are secondary character's deaths more meaningful because there's less of a chance that they will resurrect the same way a primary super-powered character would?

Death of Lola MacIntire

Like Uncle Ben, Gwen Stacy, Ariel, Marla Jameson or Lola Maclntire?


This is what I was talking about earlier. They don't come back usually, so their deaths are meaningful and sad. :(


Death of Marla Jameson

Decoy: Secondary characters do have more of a death impact, assuming they're established well, but you can still screw that up. Pointlessly killing a secondary character is in many ways worse than killing off a hero. A certain little girl comes to mind when I think of doing a secondary characters death badly.

Icarus: AGREED!

Death of the Waynes

TR: Yes. They are the REASON for the existence of many characters, as we know them.

Secondary Character deaths often occur to strengthen the primary character's character. Where would Batman be without the death of his parents? Spider-Man without the death of Uncle Ben?

Interesting input. I just have one last question for all of you:

Q6: Is there a story, that involves death, you would absolutely recommend?

A story that makes you say: "Everyone needs to read this!" You don't have to spoil who dies in the story just mention the title, issue or story arc.

Icarus: Um…hm, that's a hard one. I think that Infinite Crisis is definitely a must read.

Decoy: Sandman: The Kindly Ones and Sandman: The Wake (I can't read one without the other, ever.)

Icarus: Ooh, also what Decoy said.

Decoy: Haha, Sandman is just getting so much love in this RT.

Icarus: I know, it really is. Don't care though, because Sandman DESERVES it. It is just THAT GOOD.

Fine I'll read Sandman!

TR: I can't imagine that people haven't already read Annihilation, but it is certainly worthwhile.

Maybe a better choice is the "Life and Death of Captain Marvel" - it is a classic story and very meaningful to the Marvel Universe.

Imp: I would say the death of Spiderman arc in Ultimate U. I was surprised that Spidey actually dies in a comic book. Poor Ultimate Spidey. May Ultimate Spidey rest in peace.

I love Death of Spider-Man. Did you ever watch the fan-made motion comic of this arc? Everybody should watch it!

In my case Gwen's death will always be my favorite death because of the emotional effect on Spidey.

Anyways we need to take this Roundtable to Rest In Piece... (Get it?)

Bring it home Roundtable-ers!

Imp: Now, it's time to swing out! Bye, folks and see you next time. :D

Decoy: Good bye everybody hope you enjoyed Round-table discussions: Death/You really should read Sandman, seriously read it.

TR: Thanos here... I have a date with Death. See you later Comic Viners!

Icarus: Oh no! Mr. Bond has escaped! Clementine, fire the moon laser!



I guess I have to go attend my own funeral now, but before I go I have a question for you the reader...

Reader Question: Time to ask a question to you. Yes you, the person who is reading this post! As weird as this question my sound, what is your favorite comic book death? Be sure to comment below and let us know.

So, if you liked this Discussion and would like to join future Roundtables please let us know in the comments below or PM me.

This is Geo/sora_thekey signing off...

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Cobie Smulders Reveals Maria Hill Character Adjustment [UPDATE]

How I Met Your Mother's star, Cobie Smulders, will be playing Maria Hill in The Avengers film next year. In a recent interview with NYMAG the actress let a major character adjustment slip:

You're also getting into action with Joss Whedon's The Avengers. Before he cast you in that, he said he was considering you for a Wonder Woman project. So he’s clearly a fan. Did he ever tell you why?
No! If he did, I would throw up in my mouth. I mean, the Wonder Woman thing was a very kind comment, I think. I was never in touch with studios about it or anything like that. But we had so much fun shooting [The Avengers]. We had days when it was just us working — and, oh, 200 extras — but, you know, in the inner circle, it was nice to sit by the monitor with him and watch him take on this ginormous project with great ease.
You’re not a superhero in the movie, but you do have sick costumes?
I do. They’re very sleek, and very leather. And she has superpowers and is hyperintelligent; a very nice, fine woman who has all the answers.

Superpowers and Hyperintelligent? For those of you who don't know Maria Hill is originally a S.H.I.E.L.D. agent who eventually takes on the role of SHIELD Director and later on the Avengers' supervisor. As far as I know, none of her comic books appearances showcases her with powers so this is a really interesting change to the movie.

Skrull and Secret Invasion rumors have been going around for a while now and reading this interview made me think of something. If the rumors are true, could it be that Maria Hill is a skrull?

The Avengers will premiere May 4, 2012.


NYMAG updated their interview with Cobie Smulders to clarify that he character does not have superpowers:

You’re not a superhero in the movie, but you do have sick costumes?I do. They’re very sleek, and very leather. And if she had a superpower it would be that she is hyperintelligent; a very nice, fine woman who has all the answers.*
*This quote has been updated to show that Smulders didn't mean to suggest that her Avengers character has superpowers.

I guess my Skrull hypothesis is no longer plausible.

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World's Collide: X-Men [Anime] Ep. 1

Originally posted on Anime Vice: Here

Aiming to coexist with humans, the X-Men, an elite group of mutants, have dedicated their lives protecting people like themselves and also the people who fear and hate them. For many of us the X-Men's story is a well-known, thanks to 20th Century Fox's movies, various animated television shows and comic books about this mutant super-hero team. The first episode of Madhouse's X-Men anime is no different.

Being Madhouse and Marvel's third twelve-episode series brings different kinds of expectations from everyone. In my case those expectations were not met but that is not necessarily a bad thing.

The episode begins with this interpretation of the X-Men fighting their fellow teammate Jean Grey, in her not-so-lucid form known as the Phoenix. (An overused plot point, sure, but it has worked all these years.) Putting aside Scott Summers/Cyclops' over dramatic screams, this first scene set up the team, their powers and the tone neatly. By the end of this scene Jean Grey dies, (shocker right?) but the interesting part is that while the team blames a mutant illusionist called Mastermind, Scott realizes that there is another mutant involved: Emma Frost. After the introductory credits the actual story begins.

The X-Men have disbanded and Xavier's School for Gifted Youngsters has been closed for a year now. The rest of the episode is just about bringing the team back together to aid a young mutant girl in Japan named Hisako Ichiki (known as Armor in the X-Men comics) who has been kidnapped by the Inner Circle and their awesome-looking Sentinels. As an avid comic book reader my perception of this first episode is "well-informed" (I spend a lot of time on Anime Vice's sister site: Comic Vine) and for me this was all a big déjà vu.

The set-up reminds me a lot of the canceled animated series: Wolverine and the X-Men. Of course, unlike Nickelodeon's show, this first episode was a bit slow-paced. Aside from the first scene, the episode only focused on character traits and premise set up. The combination of an American story handled by Japanese storytellers is no as seamless as one would hope. Yet, one must always remember that this was originally made for a Japanese audience, one that probably is not as aware of the X-Men as Americans would be.

Anime is known for it's "extraordinary" tales, taking things to the limit, but a lot of this seemed restricted by its original counterpart, including the disappointing X-Men 90's-esque opening sequence. Originally, I kind of expected a story-line that would fit better with a Japanese tone. Aside from the squid with human intelligence who gives classes at a university this was very much Americanized. From an anime-viewing standpoint this would probably come off as bland but this isonly the first episode.

I probably do not know how to perceive the show. Should I look at it as an anime or a US-influenced animated series? Aside from that I have to say that the voice acting was pretty good on the most part and the animation is very attractive. It is a satisfying introduction to what the rest of the series will be. I will certainly continue to watch the anime and try not to judge the rest of the series by its first episode.

Episode 1: The Return - Joining Forces
Summary: When Jean "Phoenix" Grey's mind is taken control of by Mastermind and the Inner Circle, she sacrifices herself to protect the world. A year has passed since Jean's death, and the X-Men have since disbanded and the Xavier Institute closed. When Professor X receives word that a mutant named Hisako Ichiki has been kidnapped, he sends out a call to Storm, Wolverine and Beast. After being informed they are to fly to the Tōhoku region of Japan, where Xavier's psychic abilities cannot seem to reach, Wolverine and Storm go to talk to Cyclops, who has been brooding since Jean's death, in order to convince him to join them.
Company: Madhouse Studios
Air Date: April 1, 2011 (JP) / October 21, 2011 (NA
Run Time: 23:33

Watch on G4 Fridays at 11PM ET

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