Hello everyone. My awesome co-host RazzaTazz got together with some CV users to give some spotlight on Iron Man. The conversation has been posted here for you guys to see, read and enjoy. After the "enjoy" step of this process, be sure to comment below where you can submit your own opinions after reading ours. Even if you disagree with us, we like comments. Also, go back and read our past conversations (Here) and share your thoughts...
Welcome to the RT for Iron Man. Lets get right into it.
Jor: Well, my first exposure was the first movie. After that I started reading his comics, mainly 616 and some Ultimate universe and obviously watched IM2 and the Avengers. I also watched some animated shows that featured him like EMH etc....
YNCG: My first exposure to Iron Man was when I bought this big, thick trade paperback of the first 10, classic Avengers comic book issues (the one with Loki, Kang, Baron Zemo, and Wonder Man). I didn't think too much of him at that point, as I was more amazed by Hulk and Thor's character, but as the series progressed, I really liked the development of his armor throughout the ages. It changed from a huge, bulky yellow suit, to a sleek, nice, futuristic battle armor. Granted, Iron Man isn't one of my favorite characters, he's still a fun concept and has really awesome variants of his famous Iron Man armor.
Emp: My first exposure was on the 90's Spider-man cartoon where Spider-man teams up with him, War Machine and Venom to prevent Carnage and Baron Mordo from releasing Dormammu from the Dark Dimension.
It was silly. Almost as silly as Morbius' weird hand suckers.
THB: I have never really followed much Iron Man because his personality is incredibly unappealing to me. I have read a few avengers comics that feature him and seen the previous two movies. That is all the exposure I have had to Iron Man.
What is your favorite story of his? (if you don't know him then it is ok to say the movies or from some other media.)
Jor: I'd have to say I love Ultimate Iron Man written by Orson Scott Card. I know it's supposed to be non cannon with the Ultimates now, or something like that, but it was one of my favorite stories and a great turn on the origin of Iron Man. (too bad someone decided to retcon it into a freaky japanese anime or whatever -.-). On the 616 IM, I gotta say Extremis is pretty rad of a story too
YNCG: It isn't an Iron Man story, but he has a major role in it. Most people don't like his depiction in this story arc, but this was the first major story arc that involved Iron Man (I wasn't a heavy comic book reader then), and it was the Marvel Civil War arc. While I was rooting for Captain America and the rebellion 100% of the way, I still kind of felt where Iron Man was coming from, and he even tried to have peace with the rebellion. Sure, Tony made some really bad mistakes and some douche moves, but who doesn't? He's human. Everyone makes mistakes.
Emp: Doomquest, the one where Iron man and Dr. Doom accidentally get sent back in time to Camelot. I love that comics can give us stuff like this and it doesn't seem that weird or out of place.
THB: Out of what I know of Tony Stark I guess I find his origin story to be the most compelling. It seems to be the only situation from what I have seen (which is very limited) where I seem him experience major character growth due to a dire situation.
A lot of character derive their powers from the magic of superpowers which are never explained, but Iron Man is built off of theoretically possible (though advanced beyond our time) technology. Does that appeal to you as a comic fan?
Jor: Initially it didn't. Heroes that were too realistic, kinda like trying to say "hey this is possible" seemed kinda odd. Iron Man was actually the one that made me change that idea, because then I started to understand that they weren't trying to say that this was possible in our realm but quite plausible in theirs. After that super heroes like Iron Man who derive their powers from some sort of scientific progress or advanced technology have interested me more, but they aren't exactly my favorites. I don't have any sort of higher reliability with them or enjoy them more just because what they do could be seen as theoretically possible.
they are all super and great in what they do, way beyond our current state and that's what makes them great
YNCG: Sort of. It's nothing that will make me instantly read the story (nor like his character), but I do enjoy more down-to-earth stories (usually with street levelers). Iron Man is kind of a hybrid of those. He can go against both street levelers, and medium/high-tier characters, much like Batman with and without prep. However, I am a huge fan of science fiction, science, and stuff like that, so naturally, I really like the atmosphere around Iron Man/Tony Stark's character. I find it appeals to me more than random magical powers and such.
Emp: As a comic fan, I do like the idea of a "scientifically plausible" hero, (even though Stan Lee apparently didn't know that transistors don't work that way), It may be a long way off but the idea that while we won't ever be able to shoot beams out of our eyes or control water, one day we might be able to have jet boots, and that is pretty cool.
THB: Personally I love the idea of a character creating his or her own powers, however, it is a turn of slightly for me due to who the character in this situation is. Characters with powers that theoretically could become reality is always an interesting thing I believe for comic fans.
One of the main arguments which people make about the rise of Marvel Comics is that Marvel made their characters people as well as heroes, for instance with Spider-Man's teen aged lack of confidence. In terms of Tony Stark's alcoholism, do you think that has added a valuable aspect to the character?
Jor: Most certainly. DC's heroes at the time had no specific flaws or evident ones. I think having these problems for the heroes in Marvel did give them a boost compared to DC.
In Iron Man's case, alcoholism certainly helped but I don't think it was just that. the different moral ground and behavior, the "heart condition", even the origin, made him quite different from other heroes and gave him a distinct personality. Going from arms manufacturer to world hero; it's just a really interesting aspect and all of Marvel's heroes when they came out had those interesting catches to their personality that DC didn't because of their "super hero paragon archetype" (nothing wrong with that BTW I love paragons) but it was getting old and it was diversified enough.
Marvel, with IM and Spidey and Hulk and etc... showed it was possible to have the good guys be heroes AND humans. Iron Man certainly had his demons in a bottle to face, but that only makes his struggle with himself and the world more valuable IMHO
YNCG: Yeah the alcoholism is certainly a thing that strips away the Invincible part in the Invincible Iron Man. He's human, and even with all these technological advances and inventions, he still has human problems. On top of that, I've always viewed his heart problems with the shrapnel an even more serious and human characteristic about him.
THB: In the case of Tony Stark's alcoholism it makes him more relatable to some, however, I feel like many people would categorize alcoholism different from say Spider-Man's character flaw. Alcoholism shows an inability to properly cope with a situation generally. Why for a time i could enjoy this as something he eventually overcomes, I do not think I would enjoy this as a major plot point of Iron Man getting wasted all the time. As an underlying though it could be nice to see heroes struggling with coping issues.
A character's villains often meet the characteristics of the hero more than the originality of the villainous character. For instance, Batman has the Joker and while Superman has Luthor, there are also a lot of heavies in his rogue gallery. Do you think Iron Man villains rely too much on suits of armor themselves?
YNCG: I certainly think some villains like Crimson Dynamo, Zeke Stane, Iron Monger, and Titanium Man are a bit redundant and generic, but there are some interesting villains such as The Mandarin and A.I.M. However, I don't think they really RELY on their tech, more so heavily invested in competing and defeating Tony Stark in his area of expertise : technology and engineering.
Jor: I think villains in general are usually either your polar opposite or bad versions of you. in Iron Man's case we see a lot of that, a bunch of his villains are just people who use technology for evil and mainly armors to be villains; instead of what Tony does which is using armors for good.
but I have to agree with ComicGeek here, I think they dont rely on tech, they kinda of USE it to beat Iron Man at his home turf. others just know that Tony is really good when it comes to this type of stuff and hope to subjugate his expertise for themselves.
But in some other way, his villains relying on armors kinda of serves to show that Iron Man is more than just his armor, and that's something his armor using villains and even the other ones, will never understand
THB: Yes, this is another major turn off about Iron Man for me is that the villains seem incredibly repetitive.
How do you feel about how he is played by Downey in the movies? Some people complain that Downey is just playing himself which is similar enough to Stark, while others think that the portrayal is really good.
YNCG: Downey may be acting as himself, but he himself is a really good representation of Iron Man/Tony Stark! No complaints there!
Jor: yeah pretty much what NeighborhoodGeek said; he may be playing himself but that's close enough actually. I think that Downey brings a more charismatic and empathic side to IronMan that he manages to have difficult with in the comics. Basically, I think Downey made Iron Man have lots more fans thanks to his acting, and that's good. But I dont think he is the only one capable for that role, and if or better yet, WHEN he leaves, Im sure Marvel will find someone suitable, just like they did when they got Robert
THB: I mean Downey is just naturally a lot like Tony Stark. Even if he is not acting he is still the most convincing Stark they could have had to play the role.
Before the first Iron Man movie came out there was some degree of skepticism that fans would flock to a hero movie about a character that wasn't as well known in pop culture. Do you feel because of the exposure in three Iron Man movies and the Avengers (plus cameo in the Incredible Hulk) that Iron Man has become more like an A list comic character?
YNCG: I always thought Iron Man was an A-lister to be honest, just not a major A-lister if you know what I mean. Characters like Captain America and Punisher are A-list, but aren't as popular as Thor, Hulk, etc. until the movies.
Jor: He was an A-lister for Marvel fans, but he was never an A lister in general like Superman, Batman, Spider-man, Hulk, etc....
Now I'm pretty sure he is, everyone knows and recognizes Iron Man as easily as Batman or Spider-Man and that's thanks mostly to the movies IMO
of course Marvel and Disney getting more animated stuff on the air, and Iron Man being there also helped but the movies were the deal breaker
THB: I believe out of the Avengers cast even Iron Man is the most pronounced and recognizable superhero. I believe he is Marevel's Batman or Superman right now.
Switching gears a bit, do you have a favourite Iron Man armor? (Hulkbuster, Classic Gold and Red, Extremis ... fill in the blank)
Jor: look wise I love the Iron Man 3 Mark 42. In the comics, my favourite would be the Bleeding Edge, not only look wise but also capability wise. it's just really awesome.
other than that..... I always enjoy seeing the "busters" like Hulkbuster, Thorbuster, etc.... and I liked the Asgardian armor from "Fear Itself". Actually I liked all characters visual renditions from that event, but specially that Uru armor Iron Man had.
YNCG: I'll say his Classic Gold and Red was my favorite. It was the first debut of the red and gold concept, and looked awesome for me, and spawned many suits that looked similar to it, like Extremis or Bleeding Edge. Its the original, and is my personal favorite. Hulkbuster is my favorite of the "busters" though.
THB: Classic costumes are always best with any hero to me.
Do you think that Tony Stark being rich makes him more or less heroic? (he wouldn't be able to afford those suits otherwise)
YNCG: Well I personally think Tony is smart enough to just invest in things to make himself rich again, but if he was stuck in debt or poor, then he certainly wouldn't be the same person. However, he'd still be a hero, no doubt about that, but he might do more behind the scene stuff than up front and offensive without his Iron Man armors.
THB: As in real life I believe wealth should be irrelevant when determining a persons character. In this case I think Tony Stark's wealth is a result of his ego and can feed it, but certainly not the original cause. His money has no relation to if he is heroic, I mean Bruce Wayne.
Jor: Heroism isn't about money, it's about what you do with the things you have. Being rich and still going out of your way, wasting money, endagering your business, your body etc... letting your hedonistic life behind or atleast partially, to be able to week by week save someone's life, for me, that's truly heroic.
How many people in the same position, with as much money as Bill Gates, as attractive as Brad Pitt, with tons of sexy people falling to your knees, being able to go anywhere and do anything, would choose to do the right thing instead, and go save the world at the cost of your whole life?
I think that answers the question
Who would win in chess match between Iron Man and Batman?
Jor: I always believed Iron Man would win most chess matches, but it would be close. I love chess myself and I just see Tony's thought process and personality as better fit for Chess than Bruce's, but it would be close for sure.
YNCG: Batman most likely. Bruce is more cunning and his detective skills are far more valuable in this particular scenario. Chances are, Batman will take advantage of Tony's statistical knowledge to trick him. Tony might over-calculate things in a chess match.
THB: Batman, Iron Man's ego would get in the way.
OK thanks for the input everyone this concludes this RT.
YNCG: Alright I guess we'll go now. Thanks for reading our Ironic RT.
Jor: well, goodbye everyone and thanks for reading our thoughts (creeeeepy)
Special thanks to The Poet for helping edit all this, and, of course, thanks to Razz who did an amazing job hosting this RT. Share your thoughts down below.
-- Geo (sora_thekey) 24/7 geek! -- Follow me on Twitter: @sora_thekey
Hello everyone. My awesome co-host RazzaTazz got together with some CV users to talk video games. The conversation has been posted here for you guys to see, read and enjoy. After the "enjoy" step of this process, be sure to comment below where you can submit your own opinions after reading ours. Even if you disagree with us, we like comments. Also, go back and read our past conversations (Here) and share your thoughts...
The mediums of comics and video games compliment each other. The topics covered in many video games include many of those covered in comics - fantastical worlds, people with powers beyond the ordinary and battling some great evil. The overlap of comics into movies has been quite successful as of late, but how about comics and video games? Here to help us find out are Trodorne, Edward Windsor and Jorgevy. Hello all!
EW: Hi I am Edward Windsor , yeah its me again.
Tro: Hey all, its Trodorne. Coming back to blow your mind with truth and misinformation.... *Shark stare*
Jor: Hi everyone! It's me, Jorgevy, here with you to talk about games! YAY
What video games have you been playing recently?
EW: Recently I have been playing Far Cry 3, Okami HD and Lego Lord of the Rings. Its a mix I admit but in a time where there are more first person shooters than anything else you have to mix and match. Okami is a classic and still awesome and beautiful in equal measure to this day (You guys have played this right? what do you mean no). Lord of the Rings is really quirky and fun with the Lego twist. Far Cry is just so I can run around hunting things with a bow especially bad people.
Tro: What free time I have outside of writing and work, I have been playing Toe Jam and Earl 2, Rune Factory Frontier, Call of Duty: Modern Warfare Reflex, and Minecraft.
Jor: Well, this week I've been playing Mass Effect 3. and I can tell you this started with me getting Mass Effect 1 to try it out, you know, to see what was all the fuss about and DAMN! I totally got hooked, finished ME1, ME2 plus some DLCS and now I got Mass Effect 3 and I just started it, but I'm enjoying it as much as the others (except maybe the first one, the whole mechanics of the game were so awesome, I'm kinda sad they tweeked with them so much for the sequels). Other games I've played recently but not so recently (college consumes a lot of time) are: Minecraft, COD:MW3, Dragonball Budokai 3 (best DBZ game ever), Fifa 13, NFS MW(the new one sucks compared to the older one), Tekken, Killzone, Mount & Blade (also the Star Wars mod for MB), Yu-gi-oh Duelist of Roses, Pokémon Black and probably a few others. these are just the ones of the last month or so.
What is your all time favorite video game?
EW: The game I have probably played the most was Perfect Dark on (N64) so that's definitetly up there but Resident Evil 2 (PS2) is one of my favs along with Dark Souls from the current generation (PS3). Picking between your favorites is always hard. It is a hard choice to go for the one you played the most, the one you liked the design and style of most or just the one you have the best memories of. If I could only take one desert island discs style, I guess it would have to be Perfect Dark though I guess since it has more options to play on it.
Tro: Oooooo..... that is a hard one to say. if we are basing it on genre's of games... then I could pick out one from each, but Minecraft and Final Fantasy 5 are my top ones. Minecraft is just a fun game especially when you can be creative and just build up or destroy the world around you. and Final Fantasy 5 was the more real immersive rpg that I really loved.
Jor: My all time favorite is a tough one. If you asked for a franchise it would be pretty easy, Pokémon obviously. Freaking love the whole world and the game are fantastic, they get better and better. Maybe my all time favorite would be Pokémon Heart Gold/Soul Silver, because my first Poké games were Gold/Silver/Crystal, so the nostalgic feel plus the new functions of the DSi and the new stuff in the world of Pokémon thanks to the two generations that followed after Gold/Silver, made the game even more awesome than the originals were. I'm waiting patiently but anxiously as well for the new games Pokémon X and Y for the 3DS!!! OMG Pokémon in 3D in a handheld MUAHAHAHA new pokémon and a new region AHAHAH Im super syked
What is your all time favorite video game based on comics?
EW: I am gonna come from left field on this. I imagine to see a lot of Batman Arkham 1+2 mentions here but that's not my choice. I would like to make a case for Marvel ultimate alliance 1 ( NOT 2). The reason I think one is the better game is because while its graphically not as good and the roster isn't as well updated, the story is better. The game has a really funny post credits addition to where depending on your success with side missions little story flashes reveal the consequences to the world. For example I remember completing the story as thus saving the world but by not doing a side mission Galactus devoured the world anyways which made me really laugh. Plus the ability to mix and match your characters is always fun, I used to love running Ghost Rider, Blade, Spidey ( Ben Riley Scarlet Spider costume) and War Machine ( Ironman suit option). Basically creating my own bad ass team but with a better story . Shame that the civil war story wasn't as cool in my eyes since the game had some of my favorite characters with Gambit, Deadpool and Green Goblin ( the inclusion of villains was a nice twist especially when the expansion brought Magneto Juggernaut and Venom.)
Tro: Spider-Man 2 or 3. That was the only game the was really true in terms of gameplay style. Superman was good but its hard to pull off when the man can go so fast in get to the other side of the city in a blink of an eye.
Jor: Extremely hard one. On one hand you have the recent Batman Arkham City which is FANTASTIC. but on the other hand you have the classic Marvel Ultimate Alliance! THAT GAME GOT ME HOOKED FOR HOURS AND HOURS. so good... both have great gameplay and are action packed. Batman has lots of cameos and a rich universe while Marvel Ultimate Alliance is filled with heroes to use and has a great plot. BAC also has a great plot although it is in a different tone. I really can't decide which is one the better one, but I know most people will say Batman so i'll go with MUA!!!
Also, I see that my fellow RT colleague EdwardWindsor also chose MUA and he does bring up good arguments, so listen to us people! go play MUA if you haven't! (only the first one though)
Is there a video game based on comics that has changed your perception of a character or group of characters?
Tro: In the long term yes. I would have to say games like Spider-Man and X-Men Legends really opened my eyes to other cool characters who I previously ignored. Like Cyclops and Mysterio. Who just have some amazing abilities. And with games like DC universe online where you make your own super hero / villain and you are mentored by your favorite characters like Flash or Lex Luthor (Mine).
Jor: Not really, no. First, there aren't that many comic book games or at least known ones. From the ones I've played, like Spider-man and Superman for PS2, or Batman Arkham series or MUA, it did help enrich the world of the character/s but I already knew most of them, with the exception of MUA and Arkham series, in which there really was a lot of more underground comic stuff being brought up. So unless you count manga, it hasn't happened yet. It did happen with One Piece, if manga/anime counts, which I barely knew anything about and after playing some One Piece games I felt a huge urge to know more about the manga/anime
Just a note, it doesn't have to be a positive change in perception, it could be a negative one.
Jor: I know Razz, but I’m a type of person that doesn't really get negatively influenced on certain things, specially characters, by just one instance.
But my hatred for Namor did increase after the Atlantis mission in MUA
EW: Marvel Ultimate Alliance 1 sort of changed my view on Ghost Rider. His attacks were unlike anything else on the game and seeing a guy rocking a flaming chain and having the penance stare as a special was all kinds of cool. Having not seen much of him previously except a couple appearances in the 90's Spider-Man cartoon it certainly widened my view of the character. Johnny Blaze is a badass and his look as the rider is really different. Without playing that game I probably wouldn't have chased up some back issues and novels to explored the character more. Though Nic Cage has drastically lowered the tone of the character for me with the film franchise. The rider parts are good the rest not so much.
Does playing a game based on a character allow you a better connection to that character in the comics? Or to put that in another way do you get a vicarious escapism of thinking that you really are Batman or Spider-Man by directly controlling their actions?
EW: Really depends on the accuracy of the portrayal and if the view point is first person or third person. If your playing a game through the eyes of a hero the immersion is much better and a connection is formed even if its only partial. In terms of escapism I don't really feel most comic games have achieved that. Most being you controlling the hero but seeing the action from the third person view so you're not the hero but a sort-of ghostly puppeteer. There is a connection because you can make them dance to your tune by pressing buttons, but its not as deep as being the hero looking on the world from the first person view.
Jor: It does help me get more attached and connected to a character but I never go full escapism and actually think of them as me or me as them. I always see them as the characters I read about, which are my friends, I guess. and when I'm playing with them I just kinda imagine what they must be thinking, feeling, what they want to do and how they would act. Although I do get it if someone else does it; we would all love to be heroes, but I'd rather be my own than to get inside someone else's shoes.
Tro: I don't know if better connects me to that character maybe if the gameplay matches the power set that they have then maybe.
There are many different formats of games (first person shooter, side scrolling, RPG, fighter - I don't know very much about games, but you get the point.) Is there any format that you think is best suited to video games based on comic characters? And a worst format?
EW: I personally think the best comic games are either open world platform/action like the recent Batman and Spider man games since you can wander their world and do as they would do or just see the sights and mess around. In terms of worst I have to go with fighting games. Injustice for example looks good but its not really true to characters, is it?. Would Catwoman even think about entering a fight with Wonder Woman Doomsday or Superman? Would Batman and Robin really fight to the death?. These games are basically fan service but have no real connection to continuity or really fit the characters in some cases in my personal view. Remember Dc vs Mortal Kombat ? A gory fight game where you could pull a mans brain out his skull yet because you add Superman that no longer makes sense.
Jor: I certainly think it depends on the character/comic. Most beat'em ups and fighter games dont really fit IMO with most super heroes, mainly because you need to tweek the super heroes a lot to make it balanced. First person should only be for certain very specific heroes because it takes away to much focus from your character and it is usually connected to shooters, and not that many heroes are primarily shooters. I think two of the best genres are easily RPGs and adventure platforms. RPGs mainly because you are role playing as the hero; you can increase his levels, go further beyond, equip him how you want, just like how he would in certain situations. also the strategy behind the gameplay of a RPG is very close to what actually happens in comics, at least when it comes to tactics etc... adventure platforms are perfect because it allows you much movement and freedom, specially if it's mixed with a type of sandbox gameplay. Go anywhere, do whatever, rescue people here and there, follow the map, explore, fly, jump, DO IT ALL!
The freedom both of these genres give, plus the spectacular action they can conjure in these types of games, makes them really good for such a specific media like comics. but I think the perfect combination is obviously, both of them. You get the psychological and physical freedom that only the actual hero would and it connects you to the character and his cause much more than some random beat'em up or a first person shooter game or a RTS(real time strategy) or a TBS(turn based strategy).
Tro: It really depends on the character. Superman in a fighting game is just a bad idea. For things like Batman and Spider-Man you practically need a city to get the scope spanning platform to really get into the characters.
With characters like Superman its hard to do any format because his powers are WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY beyond that of any character in comics. He is so powerful you would have to have something that limits him. if they were to do a proper game of Superman they would have to have quite a few city maps in which people could fly too and fight crime in several different cities across the world.
There are lots of games which have been targeted at comic fans that are not very good. As was just mentioned games based on Superman are always not true to the comic because it is hard to replicate his powers, but do you ever get the feel that video game developers use this restriction as an excuse to make an inferior game with a comic name on it that will sell?
EW: For a really long time the term "comic game" was a black mark on the gaming industry. Games based on the material where both lackluster and poorly made. Hell you could argue that the first "good" comic games didn't truly start being made to the late 90's early 2000'2. PS2 had Spider man games, first marvel ultimate alliance and x men academy. All of which had problems but compared to Superman N64 they are truly brilliant games.
The main problem with us comic readers as an audience is that we want it all. With such in depth back stories and libraries of side plots and characters to use it makes a game based in pretty much any comic verse a mammoth task. Take the recent Batman games for example they excel because of the vast open true to the source world with nods to the fans hidden as Easter eggs. These games where not possible back when Comic games started being made and hence for a long time we got games that were well meaning but poorly executed because the tech needed to make the games wasn't there. The simple old comic games like X-Men arcade for example was pretty much streets of rage which had different texture pack . It was a great because they kept it simple. The biggest crime most comic games have had is simply trying to do either to much or not enough.
Jor: As our RT colleague said, for a long time it was just not possible to meet the criteria comic fans demanded, because the technology could not match the amazing richness of the source.
I think that until recently developers did use that as kind of an excuse, not explicitly, but I guess that it was there and they were like "uh, can't really do much more, sorry, you guys understand" but we the recent games, I think that's changing. Mainly because of the push of the companies behind, who obviously want to get the costumers and they know how to do it easily in this case; get them everything, like it is. That's one of the reasons I'm eager for a specific video game coming out who stars a certain character, and why I'm excited to see where the Arkham series will go next. Developers can no longer use the technology as an excuse and that will make sure that unless they want to get their butts kicked out of the door with a loud "YOU'RE FIRED" behind it, they will try to stay true to the source and try to make it appealing to fans and non fans alike, so it will sell despite the name, and maybe even get some non fans into a previously unknown character (win win situation)
So where do you see the future of comic book video games going or what would you like to see?
EW: Personally I think the future will continue to be a mixed bag We will no doubt get a bunch of movie merc games which will probably be not so great. But we also see new titles that are good. Deadpool looks kinda promising as does Marvel heroes. But I would like to see more niche titles see some newer or even their first video game transfer. A game based around Sandman and the endless could be excellent if they can merge the dream and in game worlds well, another/better spawn title maybe or perhaps someone like Jonah Hex or even a game based on a villain for once.
I think in general the comic games market is definitively getting better for us fans, we just need more quality and different options. Everybody loves Batman but we have two great Batman games, have we ever had a truly great X-Men game or noteworthy games for the more niche markets?. That's all I ask really different heroes and villains and well made.
Jor: I’m quite optimistic. Not only are comics getting more well known and present outside their area, (mainly through movie but not only) the gaming industry is also getting stronger and more advanced. there's a vanguard that is trying to make video games what in my opinion (and several other opinions) are; art - and the use of already established but not exactly accepted art like comics into video games could prove to be a great alliance for both in terms of their future. I think they are realizing this and hopefully they will do something about it.
The new Deadpool game seems awesome; the rumors about the next Arkham seem very interesting and we see the companies trying to expand on video games. on the other hand several video games are starting to have their universes expanded through comics. Only the gods know of their future, but for me, VGs and comics are gonna rock the world
That's it everyone, as usual I forgot to ask people to say goodbye, but they would have liked to if given the opportunity. A big thank you to all of my colleagues for joining me in this discussion (and to various others like the Poet). Please feel free to comment below. Share your favorites or your least favorites.
Special thanks to The Poet for helping edit all this, and, of course, thanks to Razz who did an amazing job hosting this RT. Share your thoughts down below.
-- Geo (sora_thekey) 24/7 geek! -- Follow me on Twitter: @sora_thekey
So this isn't exactly a rant about Mewtwo's new form or anything, it's more of a conversation I wanted to share with you guys... I just found out about this Mewtwo form today and I told my roommate about it. Here's what happened:
Me: Hey! Have you seen this?
Roommate: Oooh! Female form of Mewtwo!
Me: No. That is Mewtwo... or his evolution rather.
Roommate: Oh! That's even better!
Me: No it's not! Mewtwo doesn't need a new form.
Roommate: Why not?
Me: He's a clone of Mew! What is he, Mewthree?
Me: Plus, look at his head!
Roommate: Bigger brain?
Me: No! That's his tail...
Roommate: Oh you're right.
Me: The guy now thinks with his ass!
Me: Plus, HE'S A CLONE! How does a clone evolve? They can't!
Roommate: Yes they can! Last night we went to the movies and watched a whole movie about how clones evolve... (Tom Cruise's Oblivion)
We ended up laughing about the whole thing, but I'm not wrong... After so many years Mewtwo comes back and evolves into this??? What do you guys think about this revelation?
-- Geo (sora_thekey) 24/7 geek! -- Follow me on Twitter: @sora_thekey
In case the title wasn't enough of a warning: (Possible) SPOILER ALERT!
This was posted on CBM.com regarding Gwen Stacy's role in The Amazing Spider-Man sequel:
Gwen Stacy (Emma Stone) will indeed check out in this film, but perhaps more surprising is that it's been hinted - note we don't know this for certain - that this won't even happen at the end, and Stone's role may not be very large at all. Like I said, that's speculation based on how the info was put across, but I personally wouldn't be surprised in Gwen buys it around the beginning of the third act, giving Spidey a reason to go off the deep end and seek revenge.
Of course, this is just speculation and is in no way oficial, but lets say it's true. After reading this, I thought of a theory on how this would work.
By the looks of it, Gwen might die by the end (or middle) of the movie, but what if "checking out in this film" doesn't mean death, but that she will simply not be around? In the comics, Gwen also disappears for a while when she leaves to live in London with her aunt and uncle after her father's death. Maybe Gwen and her family (remember that Gwen has a mom and brothers in ASM) move to London some time during ASM 2.
This could create the perfect setting for the movie's love triangle with Mary Jane Watson. What do you guys think?
PS. I just hope she doesn't die at the hands of someone other than Green Goblin.
-- Geo (sora_thekey) 24/7 geek! -- Follow me on Twitter: @sora_thekey
Welcome to a special Roundtable User Discussion. Guess what TODAY is the RTs' 2nd Anniversary! (EDITOR'S NOTE: We held this RT on March 11th, 2013)Some of us got together to talk about this special event and that conversation has been posted here for you guys to see, read and enjoy. After the "enjoy" step of this process, be sure to comment below where you can submit your own opinions after reading ours. Even if you disagree with us, we like comments. Also, go back and read our past conversations (Here) and share your thoughts...
So today is the RTs' 2nd anniversary!!! This is going to be a short one since we won't be talking about comics but rather the past 36 Roundtable Discussions that have been posted here on Comic Vine. Please welcome ReVamp (RV),kfhrfdu_89_76k (khf), EdwardWindsor (EdW/Lazy) and RazzaTazz (Razz). With cameos from our compiler.
Q1: In one sentence describe your overall experience with the Roundtables.
khf: They're one of those nice but not really all that important things in my life. I haven't read that many, ‘cause they're so LONG, and I have dozens of other things to do, too (who doesn`t?). Mostly, I don't get much of anything new about them, either. But, I think that it`s cool that there`s a thing like this too.
RV: Well, I'm not extremely involved in the Round Tables, especially not as much as I'd like, but I think its been a good one.
Razz: Can it be a run-on sentence with a lot of sentence fragments which in themselves should be separate sentences because If not I will simply say that the roundtables represent the best of CV by highlighting the people in the community that simply like to get together and discuss their love of the artform (without all of the drama).
Razz, you have been participating since RT no. 8 and you are also my present co-host in this experience, anything you'd like to add?
Razz: As co-host I can say that the roundtables have gone through a bit of a transformation much like the site has in general. It is nice to see though that with all the changes that have gone on with CV that there are some constants and that the roundtables are still around for a good reason.
EdW: Its been an interesting and somewhat confusing ride this far.
EdW, you been participating in RTs since Discussion #2, are there any words of wisdom you'd like to share with the less experienced in this awesome experience?
EdW: I'm the longest serving guest apparently which is news to me (perhaps my wisdom is at the sacrifice of memory). But I think the continued longevity of the Round table is due to the rotating members and the multitude of views they bring to an subject. I can’t remember exactly how many I have done now ( looks at Sora and Raz 3-4 maybe?) but its good to chat with others about things especially when in some cases i have come into a discussion thinking something completely different to when I left because people consider the source so differently in cases.
Actually I think it's been more than four RTs. Maybe six?
Q2: Do you have a favorite Discussion? (Whether you were part of it or not...)
khf: I liked Girl Talk. It was a break from the usual. The Batman RT was cool too for large part ‘cause this Kfhrfdu_89_76k fellow was in it.
RV: Don't particularly have a favorite discussion, but the ones involving the future direction of comics (ie, decisions made by the Big Two) have always been of particular interest to me. I like hearing what others have to say in regards to certain topics. So, I guess that RTs about the New 52 and Marvel NOW! are something I enjoyed quite a bit, because I find it interesting to look at it from a business perspective and then from a perspective of a comic book fan.
Razz: I actually have a few, but seeing as I have been both host and contributor, I don't mind bending the rules. As a participant my favourite was the all female version as I feel sometimes that the voice of female readers gets lost in the comics debate and that it was nice to collect us all together. As a host I kind of went off the grid for a while by personally recruiting people to the cause who normally don't contribute. Thus my RTs with JLone and Thanosrules on sci-fi and Az and Rogue Mar1e on fairy tales were pretty fun. Of the usual ones which I hosted, I think the Batman one stood out the most to me. I timed it to be featured right when the last movie was coming out.
EdW: I actually really enjoyed the all female one (that I believe Sora wore a dress for). As a geeky man I am used to the comic book guy stereotype (insert Sheldon Cooper/Guy from Simpsons here). The discussion of strong female characters and how the world perceive female comic fans was quite cool and enlightening to me as a man. I think i was part of the male one (I was wasn't I?) and that was more a comedic affair it's good to mix the theme an tone and i like the serious almost documentary style approach of the All girl RP.
Q3: Be honest, was there a certain RT which you didn't like in the course of these past two years?
khf: AvX. The story is pretty mediocre, and discussing of it pretty boring. I still read it, though. To support the RTs.
RV: Not really no, I don't think there has. I mean, that are always RTs that interest me more than others, but tha'ts not to say I dislike an RT in particular. I think that most RTs accomplish what they set out to do and provide the community with an outlet (or another, I guess) to express their ideas in a varied range of topics, so I enjoy them quite a bit.
Razz: Well I generally like them all, but I edited one for solicits at one point with about five participants and it took about three hours to sort out. It was still fun though. In fact this one was memorable for me as two of my closest friends at CV took part in it.
EdW: I'm not a massive DC fan so some DC heavy ones slipped me by a little. I never really didn't like a RT just didn't understand or care for the subject matter as much. (there was a blackest night one wasn't there?)
That's the beauty of the table, different knights ( as I like to call them) for each of the roundtable meetings (PS. I call Lancelot)
In that case I'm Arthur! :P
Razz: (Geo is the best.) I call Guinevere then!
"A wild 'Poet' appears!"
Razz: Hi Poet, ignore all comments where I say Geo is the best mod, you know you are the best
(Note to Geo- ignore the above statement)
Poet: I call Merlin (and if I can't be the young BBC version then I supose I'll take regular old version) for the "Knights" of the RT if Razz gets Guinevere, Sora is Arthur and EdW calls Lancelot.
Once again, The Poet proves to be the best Mod!
(Except for Razz of course...)
Poet, ignore that last bit of this comment.
Razz... Aww screw it! I'm the best Mod! I'm Arthur after all, and because of the way I'm humbly speaking I guess I'm the BBC version...
EdW: There's more mods than normal folk up in here.
khf: We are in the presence of the mighty ones. Such glory!
Also, if we can find a way to incorporate all of this Mod and Knights stuff into the RT it'd be awesome.
Edw: A little off topic banter adds character.
khf: Truly. But it doesn`t bother me.
Banter is the foundation of the RTs... Not excalibur!
Edw: Excalibur ( the sword and marvel team) are awesome. My RPG character is based on captain Britain who wields the sword and runs the team that's how cool i think they are lol.
Khf: Best RT ever.
Q4: We've had different types of features like Movie Reviews, Comic Book Solicits, Spotlights and other special RTs (Girl and Guy Talk), what are your opinions on these features?
khf: I don`t them count most of them special features. I mean, we talk about comicy stuff in all of them, which is the whole point.
RV: Like I said above, I think that much like RTs they provide the community with a manner to discuss and express their ideas on certain topics. I particularly like Movie Reviews and Comic Book Solicits, as I think its a breath of fresh air and helps us prevent on becoming saturated on certain comic book topics that are always a mainstay for discussion.
Razz: They are all good, I love it when the community comes together and discusses comics. I think the Spotlights are best.
EdW: Features are cool they are the little change that keeps the formula fresh. Discussing themes other than just the comic (hot topic) gives us access to wider reaching subjects. As I mentioned in question 2 its good to see other peoples view of the world not just their opinions on an issue or an arc etc. I think the features offer an easier access point for the less comic nerd type as well since from experience some subjects have got a little geeky. (i ceartinly played my part in that)
Q5:Do you guys any questions for me about the RTs? (I kind of ran out of questions)
Razz: It is interesting to look back over the course of the roundtables and look at the history of my own experiences at this website. When I first started doing them I was pretty new here and being asked to do them was a nice gesture by the old guard as to what they thought of me. As I have progressed and eventually became a moderator I took them on in a different light and learned some new things on the fly about how to conduct a group interview (it is not as easy as it seems, and Geo really deserves a lot of credit for making them seem to easy.) Mostly though I think of where I have been and who I have met here and the fact that these are ongoing gives me hope for some more great friends here in the future.
D'aaaaawwww! That's really nice of you to say!
EdW: How did you come up with the idea? and why did you decide to call it the roundtable?
The answer to those two questions is actually the same. For some time I wanted to be part of a podcast (listen to one of CV's Podcast for on January of last year and you'll hear I was almost a participant) but of course I don't have the equipment. I got to guest star in the Pass the Whiskey podcast that SparklyKiss hosted later on. So I got this idea of being the host of a "written podcast". Shortly after I was reading an feature article on a Kingdom Hearts website (go figure) that was called Staff Roundtable Discussion (or something like that). There they talked about KH games so I thought why can't I do that with comics. Of course, I thought about it and came up with Comic Vine's Roundtable User Discussion. Nice question...
Q6: Any future topics which you think the roundtables should show off?
khf: Golden Age of comics.
Razz: I think an Iron Man themed roundtable to coincide with the upcoming movie would be great.
EdW: Comicbook computer games , PIS ( Plot induced Stupidity) and jobbing.
RV: Video Games. Discussing other media which overlaps with comic books more broadly, but movies like the Avengers and TDK already have been discussed to death. I guess by extension so has the Arkham series, but I find it curious to see how the comic book-games market will expand from now on, now that the bar has been set as high as it has by Rocksteady. DCUO, while not the best game ever, also did a pretty apt job at transferring the player into the DC Universe. I'm curious to see how we'll evolve in terms of games, especially since the market for movies is booming, which to me tells me that the interest in Superheroes is at an all time high, so hopefully we'll see something out of the industry.
Q7: Before we go I want you all to feel like you´ve participated in ALL of the last 37 RTs. So, we are going to do our very own lightning round:
Favorite origin story?
EdW: Captain Britain
RV: Batman. Wolverine if it didn't get so convoluted at times.
khf: Silver Surfer’s. Or Spider-Man’s.
What do you prefer: Kid-themed or adult-themed comics?
EdW: Adult loved x-force (new uncanny not so much right now)
RV: Adult. Though I'm partial to Tiny Titans.
What's more important: Art or Writing?
EdW: Art bad writing isn't good either but bad art is an instant turn off
RV: Writing. Unless its Romita jr. or someone comparable.
khf: In prose, writing. In comics, both are equals. Art can stand on its own though, in comics. It needs a story as a companion though, obviously.
Razz: Can I say Dollhouse? It was a tv series first though.
EdW: Walking Dead no question
RV: Don't watch any, except a couple episode of Arrow. So Arrow.
khf: Haven't watched any that would be a fail of mine.
Superman, yay or nay?
EdW: Nay. Not for me.
RV: Meh. I've warmed up to him. Yay.
What do you prefer: Team or solo books?
EdW: Teams, I like interaction
RV: Team Books.
khf: Solo, more focus to a character. Team books have their own, awesome feel to them, though. Mostly there`s inner tension, big villains, big arcs and crisises. And multiple characters, that get a bit attention for themselves, not all of it.
This is a bit of an unconventional roundtable. We never actually got around to doing the best of 2012 roundtable and also never did one looking forward to 2013 so we decided to do both together though it is already three months into 2013 and away from 2012. This means that the “best of” format is not being adhered to very strictly and that we are taking a different approach. Also, go back and read our past conversations (Here) and share your thoughts...
So welcome to the 2012 (and 2013) Roundtable. Say hello everyone!
BI: Hello Viners, I'm Brazen_Intellect,
AKA: The last guy on Comic Vine who still likes Iron Man, no matter how hard Marvel makes it to do so.
AKA: That guy who blogs about Marvel sometimes
AKA: That guy who thinks Cyclops, Wolverine, and Captain America are all wrong.
B91: I'm Blood the most famous viner you've never heard of.
DS: Hi I'm Kurt. This is now the third time I've started doing one of these. Hey, maybe this one will make it to the website.
J: Hi, I'm Jawsh! I like sharks and peanut butter.
What have you all been reading lately?
BI: My pull list has been primarily Marvel for about as long as I can remember, but that list keeps getting smaller. I have been slowly getting further and further disenchanted with the Marvel U for some time now, there was a time I was never more than a week behind and now I find myself sometimes 3 months behind depending on the title. Bad event after bad event (damn you AvX) has just been grinding away at my patience and interest, but I am hopefully optimistic that Age of Ultron may be the one to get them out of their rut. Marvel NOW! Has really not wowed me so far, it’s more of a marketing ploy than any substantial change in direction that will improve the long term prospects of the Marvel U. I really just started getting back into DC again about 5 years ago and before you know it, BAM, New 52. I understand why DC went in this direction, but overall I am not a fan, too many of the changes are just not for the better IMO. I have tried out quite a few of the series but few have kept my interest for very long and most have been pale imitations of what they used to be. At this point I easily collect more TPB’s of the DCU than New 52 titles.
Current reading list (I pick up others here and there but these are the ones I keep up regularly):
Marvel: Avengers, New Avengers, Iron Man, Uncanny X-Men, Astonishing X-Men, Cable and X-Force
DC: Batman, Batwoman,
Indie: Saga, Invincible
B91: Oh my that is quite a list you're asking for.....
Alrighty § Uncanny X-Force § Aquaman § All New X-Men § Wonder Woman § Hawkeye § Batman § Avengers § New Avengers § Ultimate X-Men § Fearless Defenders § Justice League Dark § Wolverine and The X-Men § Captain America § Young Avengers § Gambit § Xtreme-X-Men § Journey into Mystery
DS: I just went through the hassle of moving my pull list to another comic store, so I was able to put the knife to a lot of my normal books. I've gone from about twenty books down to five, they are;
I've just finished reading John Wagner's Darkies Mob which is a brutal comic set in the Burma Campaign during the second World War. It is firmly in the John Wagner wheelhouse of bad people doing bad things to bad people, both the Japanese and British are racist scum, both sides are filled with war criminals and by the end of it you need to have a bath just to clean your soul, and all came from Battle a 70's Boys comic aimed, well, boys.
J: My pull list of comics varies from month to month, and I like to read a lot of back issues, but as of this moment these are the comics I'm reading most fervently: 1. Superior Spider-man 2. Ultimate Comics Spider-man 3. Avenging Spider-man 3. Scarlet Spider 4. FF 5. Deadpool 6. Batman 7. Batman Inc. 8. Batman & Robin 9. Daredevil 10. Hawkguy 11. Red Hood and the Outlaws 12. Aquaman 13. Justice League 14. The Walking Dead 15. All-New X-Men 16. Nightwing 17. Invincible 18. Skullkickers
What is your overall favourite comic memory from 2012?
B91: Tough one... I think Hawkeye's censorship moment takes the cake "That was 2012 right?" The entire series has been really stretching the realm of superhero comics and while I have some issues with the characterization the series is still brilliant.
BI: My favorite comic memory of 2012 would have to be Saga in its entirety. With so little going on in Marvel and DC that has me enthused, its nice to see there is something exceptional and original out there to tide me over. I could go on for pages about what this title does right, but I think just about everyone who has given it a chance has seen the light by now. While seeing Runaways come to a premature end was disheartening, if this is what we get in trade, I'll deal with it just fine.
DS: Going back to John Wagner, sorry. There is a moment during the six month long Judge Dredd: Day of Chaos story where Judge Beeny tries to hand in her badge. It was really the first point where I realised that Day of Chaos wasn't about the actual Day of Chaos, it was just a full stop to the destruction of Mega City One. I mean by this point in the story the villain was already dead, the Statue of Judgement had been destroyed, the Academy of Justice was destroyed and most of the Judges were dead. The Judges had lost three months prior and we didn't realise it, they didn't realise it. Hell I'm not sure that the current assistant to Tharg, Matt Smith, knew what he had allowed John Wagner to write. So for John Wagner and Henry Flint to take the time to show not only the Macro effects of the event, but to take the time to show the Micro effects of the event gives it a real human edge that I feel so often gets forgotten in comics. Also Fantagraphics publication of Wandering Son. You should own Wandering Son.
J: Wow, this is a tough one to answer. I would say 2012 was a year where I really recaptured my love of comics. I've read them for years, but this was the year I became absolutely obsessed again. There were so many good comics out there. I absolutely LOVED Sweet Tooth- that was such a beautifully woven tale that finished well. Punk Rock Jesus was an amazing story and a powerful satire. Aquaman became cool again! The Bat family's Court of the Owls was great. Luther Strode was a fun new comic full of action and gore. The Boys ended with an emotional punch to the groin. Peter Parker is killed and has his life taken over by Doc Ock! The Walking Dead made me cry my own tears! (Kirkman, you are so brutal bro). And then Hawkeye, a character I have never liked, is placed in the hands of Fraction and Aja to become arguably the best comic of the year. 2012, for me is the year where all my old friends who haven't read comics in years came out of the woodwork buying bat, spider and zombie comics and talking to me about them like we were geeky teenagers again. 2012 is the year I became re-obsessed with comics.
How do you think your favourite moment of 2012 will carry into 2013?
B91: Well with the dynamic duo of Fraction and Aja on the title Hawkeye is bound to become a cult favorite for years to come. It's always great when a character you love finally gets some real recognition.
BI: While I have followed the Marvel U for over two decades at this point, I have twice before taken a multi-year sabbatical when I felt it was creatively at a low point, 2013 may be the time for a third one unless things improve. If so I'll likely dip my toe into the indie scene more often than I do now, there are a lot of titles I have been recommended and have yet to try out. As for the New 52, I really hope Batgirl improves because I'm a fan of the character, but her new title has been underwhelming so far.
Shout out to Mercy - OG Birds of Prey > New 52 Birds of Prey
DS: Well John Wagner is coming back to Dredd some time this year to write a Dark Judges story, which should also see the return of Judge Death who is currently in hell. Adding in the factors of PJ Maybe is currently holding the souls of Judges Fear, Fire and Mortis in a wine bottle, and that Judge Beeny hasn't been seen since Chaos Day, which could make for a fun series of events.
J: The Spiders- I think that Superior Spider-man will continue to go into interesting territory with Doc Ock in charge of the webslinger. We'll probably see him become both more heroic and more villainous as the year progresses. From the indication we read in Avenging Spider-man we're likely to see something pretty terrible happen this year. One wish I have- I would LOVE to see Kaine take on Octo-Spidey and just destroy him! This will likely be the year that Ock's secret is revealed, and I don't think the heroes of the world are going to be too happy about it! The Bats- I think that the Bat Family will go into a dark place after their defeat at the hands of the Joker, and the death of Damian. Dick has lost just about everything and everyone he held the most dear. I'd argue Nightwing loved Damian just as much as Bruce did. It's going to be a tough year for him. For Jason and Tim, they're both dealing with the effects of whatever the Joker has done to the two of them, and Batman will be more alone than he has been in awhile and dealing with demons that are darker than any he has faced in many years. I'm actually wondering how he's going to make it. Hawkguy- will continue to be a hilarious romp as faces off against the tracksuit bros, but I think they'll shift slightly away from the humor coming this year as he squares off against the King Pin. Lastly, I think the surprise comic success of the year will be the Skull Kickers! That comic is hilarious. I love their irreverent covers and new first editions which parody both Marvel and DC. Meanwhile, the anachronistic medieval fantasy satire is a really entertaining story. Other than the Spiders, the Bats and Hawkguy, this is the comic that my friends and I probably talk about the most. I think that will keep increasing in 2013 with the adjectivally laden, Uncanny, Savage, Mighty, All New Super Secret Skullkickers.
So let's shift gears a little bit. 2012 was also a big year for comic book movies, and 2013 is going to be big as well for a few reasons. Can you all highlight a few things that were most memorable from the big screen from last year.
DS: I saw Dredd. I loved it. Seeing my favourite comic character (Judge Anderson) get treated with right amount of respect and love just made me happy. I recommend you read Laura Sneddon's " Why Dredd 3D gets women in comics right" article if you haven't.
I didn't see any other comic book films. I'm sick of origin stories, I'm sick of Superheroes saving the city, I'm sick of these crappy PG13 action films.
J: I love the fact that we had a Spider-man man in 2012 that captured his humor and quips. It wasn't a perfect movie, but I had a lot of fun watching it. Also, I loved fact that the Avengers movie gave a new recipe for a successful super hero movie. It didn't need to be dark, gritty or realistic in order to be good. I think this was probably the best super hero movie to date. The one thing I loved most was the humor that was put into the action. It made me feel like a kid again. Lastly, I didn't love The Dark Knight Rises, but it did put a successful end to Nolan's fantastic Batman series. Loved Bane & Catwoman - my issues are more with the story, but it was a good movie.
BI: 2012 was all about the beginning of one franchise (Avengers) and the end of another for the time being (The Dark Knight Rises). Avengers was further proof that while Marvel has a lot of work to do with their comics line, their movie studio is a well oiled machine. I am not going to pretend that it was a perfect or even great movie, but it was entertaining as hell and gave fans of all the characters something to smile about. You can see how everything is tied together and one project is used to springboard into the others, hard not to be impressed with the process. On the other hand DC is still spinning its wheels, outside of the Batman franchise they are woefully incompetent, either unable to get things off the ground after years of effort (Wonder Woman, Flash) or pushing out films the fans are just not embracing (Superman Returns, Green Lantern). The Dark Knight Rises was a good movie, but also IMO the weakest of the trilogy, they need to build another franchise and soon because its going to be some time before they can reboot this one and not be trapped by Nolan's shadow.
B91: The entire Avengers film just raised the bar on Superhero films. Amazing Spider-Man and The Dark Knight Rises were alright and had some great moments. Hope to see this trend carry on now in 2013, but I'm skeptical of anything Fox makes, and Marvel's Ant Man and Guardians of the Galaxy are certainly.... Imaginative choices, but Marvel has proven they can make some fantastic things.
In light of recent news that the Bale Batman is going to be worked into the Justice League movie, plus the plans for phase 2 of the Marvel cinematic universe, do you think the ground has been set for the new movies coming out?
J: For 2013, I'm trying not get my hopes up for Thor, Man of Steel, & Wolverine. I haven't loved the previous movies for these characters so I'd rather be pleasantly surprised than disappointed again. Unfortunately, they are hyping up Man of Steel so much right now that you'd think it was gearing up to sweep the Oscars. There has never, in my opinion, been a good Superman movie yet. Until I see one, I'm not sure that it can be done. As for Iron Man 3, it's too late for me! The trailer looked amazing and IM1 & Avengers were so good that my expectations are already through the roof.
BI: As for 2013 and moving forward, I have to admit to being very skeptical with much that has been announced outside of the sequels to the established films. I am not sold on many of the properties being used as part of Marvel's Phase 2 being the right choices yet, many of these are going to be a hard fit into the existing Marvel Cinematic Universe and could just as likely be complete bombs as massive successes. With Disney, Pixar, and Marvel now all under the same roof, I would have really liked to see Guardians of the Galaxy be done as a Pixar animated film, yet still tied into the MCU. Of all the Phase 2 projects this is the one I am most apprehensive for, it just seems too easy to go astray for a number of reasons.
DC's future rests on if they can actually get their act together and turn the proposed Justice League movie into a reality. Even green-lighted and with Nolan steering the ship, there are a lot of things outside of their control that will determine if the film ever comes to be. Rumors aside there is no guarantee that Bale will return as Batman ( I will believe it when I see him in costume and on-set, no sooner), and if Man of Steel is not a huge hit the whole thing could get tossed back into development hell. If these two factors come to be, then DC might finally have the momentum to get the ball rolling on building their own cinematic universe and finally satisfying their devoted fans.
B91: Marvel definitely has an entire world opening up in their film franchises and I'm excited to see the different aspects of their cast of heroes explored and how they are incorporated. DC *Sigh* not sure what to think. It really is in Man of Steels success. If they can't make it work then I don't see them making a JL movie work.
Are there any comics moments from 2012 that you hope will get a do-over in 2013? AvX anyone?
B91: Don't even get me started. I've moved on from that mess. However I wish that Storm and Black Panther's divorce had been handled better. The situation hasn't gotten the attention it deserved and now it just lingers over both characters, so I hope to see more closure on their situation as both characters are really shining right now. Otherwise I'm enjoying Marvel Now so I'll let AVX slide as long as Marvel keeps up the good work.
J: The moment from 2012 that I'd like to see reversed is the origin of Tim Drake. Tim used to be my favorite character from any comic book. Now he's an unlikable jerk of character with a bad costume that looks like a lame version of the Falcon. Originally, he was a detective prodigy who discovered the identities of Batman & Nightwing. Now, that's been given to Dick Grayson, and by the way... he was never a Robin, he's the guy from the hamburger train. DC made my absolute favorite character into one I don't even like. My number 1 request would definitely be for DC to redo his origin or at least redeem his character. I know DC doesn't "owe" the fans anything, but there was a reason Tim was the only character to successfully support a solo Robin series for so long.
BI: I would not like to see an AvX do-over.
DS: Can I get away with saying all of DC? No. Okay here is the thing that made me the most mad. Ste phanie Brown's announcement as Nightwing, then replacement as Nightwing. Smallville did, as far as I'm concerned, the impossible, in that it made me care about Superman the character in a Superman book. You see I like the idea of Superman the Icon, the people around Superman, and how he affects them. But I don't care about Superman. I'm fine with Clark Kent but the moment he takes off the suit and glasses my eyes glaze over, because Superman punching things is really boring. So when it was announced that Bryan Q Miller was going to bring Steph to Smallville I was beyond happy. Then there were the rumours that Steph had been replaced, then Bryan Q Miller was dropped from the Superman Panel at The San Diego Comic Con, then it comes down to Dan “writer of nothing worth a damn” Didio to come out and say Steph has been replaced, by Barbara Gordon. Lets ignore the way DC tried to justify this falling back the term “Iconic”, which DC has used in the last two year as much as Marvel promises its “events” will Change the Marvel Universe. You see my problem with replacing Steph with Barbara Gordon is it is another case of DC pitting its fans against each other. We’ve gotten to a point now where you have three distinct fan bases inside the Bat-books alone (Babs, Cassandra Cain, and Steph) constantly squabbling over every little thing when we all want the same thing. We want to see the characters we love together in comics, and not written by Scott Lobdell. How are we ever going to get back the smaller characters like Wendy Harris, Nella, and an Anarky that wasn’t bastardized by Fabian Nicieza?
That is it for 2012 and for 2013 (for now). It is still early in the year and the best stuff is mostly yet to happen (though there have been some interesting developments thus far.) One of the things to depend on for 2013 is more roundtables.
Usually disaster movies follow a simple parameter, a happy and loving setting is ripped away by the sudden calamity that keeps the audience guessing if the main characters will survive or not.The Impossible doesn't stray from that plot, except that this time I actually believed it. I never thought a movie could physically hurt....
Like I mentioned above, this movie doesn't stray far from the norm, but because it was based on a true story you couldn't help but lose that sense of disbelief. The story revolves around a family who spend their Christmas holiday in the beautiful beaches of Thailand. The Bennet family suffers from a great deal of wonderful joy only to be cut off by the cruelty of nature. This is the point in the movie where 2004's Indian Ocean Tsunami hits and washes away this beautiful setting.
Anybody who knows me well can tell you that if I put the popcorn down during a movie, "things just got real". The simple wave that tore away the spirit of Naomi Wattsand Ewan McGregor's characters made such an impact that I held my breath until I could see the characters above water. Straight on from there the movie painfully depicts the family's suffering. It showed little of the gore that disasters like these can bring, but even so, throughout those scenes I strongly held on to my seat, forced my back into it, bit my lip and clenched my jaw.
It just took moments to destroy this happy family that had been established at the beginning of the movie, and that's not a bad thing. The problem was that after having such a strong beginning the climax fell short by just a little, but I'm not complaining. I loved it nonetheless.
The Verdict - 4.5 out of 5
It succesfully made me feel empathy for not just the physical pain this family was going through, but also the emotional torture they experienced. Any movie that can transmit that much pain and emotion onto the audience deserves praise.
In a recent interview with IGN.com, Shawn Ashomre talked about playing Iceman for the fourth time in 2014's X-men: Days of the Future Past movie. During the interview, one of his responses might have teased something about the movie's plot.
Ashmore explains that he did not get his hopes up to returning to the role of Bobby Drake when he first heard about this movie, but as an X-Men fan he knew that the story involved time travel:
I know about the script, but I haven’t been able to read the script. (Laughs) I haven’t read the script, but I have a very good idea of what’s happening and what my role is. I know, but I’m sworn to secrecy.
When asked if he was excited for the story that has been planned out he answered:
I think the take on the story is really interesting. I think that Days of Future Past, as any X-Men fans knows, is a great arc. I love the idea of combining and bringing some cohesion to the two timelines that are happening now. I think that’s exciting. Obviously the First Class cast is incredible, and having Ian Mckellen and Patrick Stewart and Hugh Jackman interact with other cast members is going to be really exciting. Not only is the combination of the cast going to be really cool, but the story itself is going to be really fun.
Could this mean that the characters who will travel back in time are Magneto, Xavier and Wolverine instead of Kitty Pryde? With the confirmation of Ellen Page returning to the role of Shadowcat one would assume that she would play a key role in the adaptation of this X-Men story arc. Then again, comic book movies aren't known for keeping their plots true to the source material.
Fox's X-Men: Days of Future Past opens in theaters on July 18, 2014.
Long ago in a galaxy far far away... A couple of CV users virtually met up to talk comic books and other comic-related topics. That conversation has been posted here for you guys to see, read and enjoy. After the "enjoy" step of this process, be sure to comment below where you can submit your own opinions after reading ours. Even if you disagree with us, we like comments. Also, go back and read our past conversations (Here) and share your thoughts...
Today's topic takes us to a world where "The 'magic' is with you!"-- wait, that's not right! It's a place where "A dream is a wish your 'midi-chlorians' make"?-- nope, that' ain't right either! "Space. The final frontier..."-- Crap! <sighs> Let's just get started.
Here with me are five awesome users who will help me make sense of this rather odd discussion topic. Please welcome Master JediXMan (JXM), Archaeologist Jorgevy (Jor), Sorcerer Duo_forbidden (Duo) and Disney Princess Gambit1024 (G24). Odd bunch we have today and it's a nice coincidence that their official titles pertain to the topic at hand! Say your greetings:
Duo: Duo_forbidden my name is. Here, glad to be Sora.
Jor: Hey I'm user Jorgevy but my actual name is Jorge (sounds like George rather than Spanish Jorge) and it's nice to be here!
G24: Hiya! I'm Gambit, and it's great to be here. Thanks for having me!
JXM: Hello, all! JediXMan, here. I feel like I should make a witty Star Wars reference...
All hail Lel...
... that wasn't Star Wars. Oh well.
Welcome Jedi, padawans, archaeologists, sorcerers, princesses... and geeks! To prove you are geeks, let me ask you the customary beginning question: What geeky things have you been doing lately?
Duo: I've been playing catch up with some comics. Eagerly awaiting Amazing Spider-man #700!!!! (Editor's Note: This RT Discussion took place before Dec, 26th, 2012)
Jor: Well, as my title suggest, I'm an archaeologist. Actually, I'm studying History in college, but if that isn't nerdy enough (I dont like the word geek) I also have been reading comics (NO WAY!), specially the new Marvel NOW! titles, and I'm rewatching the two SW trilogies after having heard of the topic at hand.
Yay! I got the Archaeologist title right! (Kind of...)
G24: What I've been doing: Well, as of right now, I've been replaying the new Man of Steel trailer over and over and over again for the past few hours. While that's not going on, I've been reading the new Marvel NOW titles. I gotta say, the ones I've picked up (Thor, Hulk, and Avengers) are pretty damn fantastic.
JXM: Lately, I've been reading Fables, read Y: The Last Man, watched Hellsing (Ultimate and the original anime - Ultimate is better). I'm also a Code Geass fan... like that's a secret.
Viva geeks/nerds! Now that we've established that we are all geeks, lets begin with a something that interests ALL of us. So if you don't like Star Wars or Disney the emergency exit is right behind you. Remember the chaos that the Disney/Marvel buyout created on the internet? Well, something similar has happened. If you haven't heard (because you don't use the internet and this is the first time you ever use a computer), Disney Co. has gone through with its latest buyout: Lucasfilm.
Before we get into this catalyst of this buyout lets start off by talking about these two huge entities separately.
Q1: Disney is well known for it's amazing work on animated film, their tie to Pixar, theme parks and buying Marvel Comics. Give me your overall opinion of The Walt Disney Co.
Duo: I love Walt Disney. Walt Disney has been a part of my childhood growing up, and the majority of their movies are great. I recently watched Wreck-It Ralph, and I would say that it's on par with Pixar's movies.
I loved Wreck-It-Ralph! I recently bought "When Can I See You Again?" by Owl City because of that movie. Plus, most of my favorite animated movies are Disney's. Love Tangled!
Duo: Exactly! That song went along with movie! It's extremely catchy!
It's my ringtone right now. I just can't get enough of this song!♪♫ Switch on the sky and the stars glow for you. Go see the world 'cause it's all so brand new. Don't close your eyes because your future's ready to shine. It's just a matter of time before we learn how to fly... ♪♫
Jor: As with almost everyone, Disney was a big part of my childhood and it still is part of me. I love the movies and I'm overall pretty happy with Disney and Marvel shenannigans. Only thing that disappointed me was the recent Prince Of Persia movie (big fan of the games). It had everything to be great, but it was just good. Other than that they're A-OK to me!!
Under the same style of movies, what did you think of Disney's John Carter?
Jor: No I actually haven't watched John Carter! I find it hard to watch movies nowadays but that is one that I was excited to watch but unfortunatelly I didn't yet (although I am going to as soon as I can - the trailer and the stuff it's based on [the novels] and the whole concept seems super interesting). If you asked me that based on Prince of Persia, although im a big fan of sword and sandal, PoP was mainly because I grew up with all the PoP games and the Prince is one of my favorite game characters ever (the original parkour guy FTW! GO HOME ALTAIR & EZIO)
G24: Having been practically raised on Disney movies, I guess saying that I'm a fan is a bit of an understatement. I love Disney! They're a very smart company that practically owns everything I love: from Mickey Mouse, to Hercules, to Buzz Lightyear, to even Spider-Man. My favorite Disney film is most definitely WALL-E, followed by The Lion King, the Toy Story trilogy, and the very recent Wreck-It-Ralph.
I have not met a person that doesn't like Toy Story 3, and all of the movies you mention are some of my top favorite! Judging from the movies you mention you must also like Treasure Planet, Finding Nemo and Tarzan.
G24: I know, right? Personally, Toy Story 3 was especially touching because Andy and I graduated high school in the same year. We sorta grew up together, and it's very sentimental stuff. Finding Nemo was a very good film, but I didn't quite like it as much as some others. Tarzan freaking rocked, and it's definitely in my top five. Is it embarrassing to say that I've never watched Treasure Planet?
It's awesome that you mention that. Andy and I graduated one year apart (apparently I'm older), but like you I grew up with Andy too. The sentimental part for me was that I gave away my toys one week before watching TS3. That last scene was heartbreaking!
Never watched Treasure Planet?! You must now go to the nearest video store and rent it or buy it! (It's on Netflix.) It's not the best Disney film but it does appeal to me in many ways. Plus, who doesn't like adventure, pirates, interstellar sail ships and a robot with a Dory-like complex?
JXM: Disney will, eventually, take over the world. Surprised it hasn't bought Facebook yet. The two big guys right now are Google and Disney... only a matter of time. That said, Disney hasn't been too great lately, except for Pixar - and even that isn't as good as it once was. I, for one, would like to see the return of 2D animated movies and TV shows.
Did you watch Wreck-It-Ralph? There was a short called Paperman that played before the movie. It was a combination of 2D animation (with a similar 101 Dalmatians character design) and 3D animation. I LOVED it! This got me thinking that Tangled (one of my, now, favorite Disney movies) would have been so much better if this animation would've been used instead of the Pixar-like animation. Anyways, I agree with you on the animation front lately, but what do you think of Disney recently story-wise?
JXM: I actually haven't seen it yet, despite the fact that many of my friends are telling me I should.
JXM: Story-wise, I don't know. It just doesn't feel like Disney feels like... Disney anymore. I loved their pre-2000 stuff, but lately... I don't know. It could be the animation, but it also feels like a lack of originality.
Intersting to hear a somewhat-negative opinion on Disney. This RT could prove even more interesting than I thought.
Q2: George Lucas is the man behind Lucasfilm. Which is a company known for its biggest franchises: Indiana Jones and Star Wars. What is your overall opinion of Lucasfilm.
Duo: Well, like you said, Lucasfilm is better known for both the Star Wars and Indiana Jones franchises. They had other works, but not as popular as those two. They also provide some great special effects. Overall, I think Lucasfilms made an impact in the Hollywood industry.
What do you mean by impacting the Hollywood industry? Is it because of the special effects you mention or because of the story?
Duo: I would say the special effects. I mean, we would eventually see the type of special effects we now see currently, but I think Lucasfilms made that possibly a reality first. Today, you have movies like The Matrix, Avatar, Life of Pi, just to name a few. And they look good.
Jor: I only know of those two franchises but I love them both. Indiana Jones was/is kinda an inspiration for me to choose History, I really love adventure movies, and Harrison Ford is bad-ass. Their work with the latest movie wasn't that great but eh... It's okay. On the Star Wars front I think Lucasfilm has done an amazing work. Even if recently (I-II-III Episodes) they couldn't exactly replicate what they had done before, it was great.
G24: Lucasfilm is a company that was founded on pretty awesome ideas. I've watched and loved the original Star Wars trilogy, as well as the original Indiana Jones films, but the company's recent films, such as Episodes I-III and Kingdom of the Crystal Skullwere either lackluster at best, or just plain terrible. No disrespect to those that disagree with me, of course, but those recent films just weren't for me.
"Founded on pretty awesome ideas"... Why do you think the recent movies are "lacklusters" in your opinion? I have to say I don't exactly agree with you because I am a fan of all six of the Star Wars films, (not the latest Indy though), but I do want to know why.
G24: I guess I'll just have to elaborate, then! Lucasfilm, without a doubt, has always been a leader when it came to special effects and sound quality. Those effects used in A New Hope were incredible for its time. While I personally am not a fan of Lucas's, most of those shots of planets being obliterated or ray guns or any of that real sci-fi stuff Episode IV were utterly fantastic. I'll never except those new additions that he constantly keeps pushing. As far as the recent Star Wars films goes, I just find them incredibly boring. Literally the only things I could say that I enjoyed about them was Darth Maul, and practically all the fight-scenes in Episode III (which is the only film of that trilogy that I'll go on record saying that it wasn't bad). The rest of it was just... well, I just fast-forward them. Regarding the latest Indy movie, the whole thing was trash. Shia LaBeouf could never, and should never, replace Harrison Ford.
I have a thing against Shia LaBeuf, but we won't get into that here... I understand what you mean now... that lightsaber sound effect will go one in history as one of the most iconic sounds in history.
JXM: As most people around here know, I have a strong dislike for George Lucas: terrible writer, overrated direction, and not too creative. I also think the original Star Wars movie is rather overrated, but that's a discussion for another time. I think Lucasarts in general has been losing steam over the years. Their best work in recent years might be 1313, but it's far too early for me to say that with any certainty - and considering their last game series *cough*TFU*cough* I will play the game with low expectations.
Wow! I didn't know this about you... plus, I really wouldn't peg you for an anti-Lucas with the username you carry. So, you dislike George Lucas, but why do you call yourself a Jedi?
JXM: Doesn't mean that I dislike Star Wars. Needless to say, I'm a big Star Wars fan, especially the EU. But I still see the harm Lucas has caused. Seems to me that the only good contribution he made was the first movie. The rest of the OT was mostly handled by other people, and then... well, we know what happened with the prequels. I, for one, think he should have left Star Wars in more capable hands years ago. Maybe that's Disney? I don't know.
Maybe... We'll speculate about what Disney might do later.
Q3: Now that we've established the two companies on their own... Back on October 30th (2012) The Walt Disney Co. acquired Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion. When the announcement hit the web, what was your initial reaction? Did that reaction stick?
Duo: I thought it was a joke at first. A huge joke. I mean, as soon as the news hit the web, there were so many jokes about it like Princess Leia being included with the other Disney Princesses, how Lucasfilms were truly going to the Dark side with this deal, Disney stars from the Disney channel playing different characters, Star Wars sing-a-longs etc.. After sitting down and reading over it, I became both extremely cautious and optimistic, especially when I heard that Disney had plans to start on the Star Wars sequels. There was also the repercussions to think about when it came to the comic books, novels, video games, and the TV series.
Well, we'll talk about the Star Wars sequels later on but it's good to know this idea didn't scare you like it did others.
Jor: I got the news through the internet and I didn't have doubts about it. I didn't see it as a joke because it all seemed very real. My initial reaction was almost apathy, because I didn't get all the info. Only after knowing about the idea of the sequels my reaction changed. It was a mix of joy, hope, cautiousness, curiosity... well, it was weird. I like the idea of new sequels and Disney behind it doesn't scare me at all, so I wasn't as pessimistic as other people and i was actually getting kinda annoyed by everyone saying it was the END. that was more stressing than the actual news.
Well, the END is pretty much a hyperbole but I see what you mean.
G24: My initial reaction was "fantastic!" Disney's a smart company that wouldn't spend $4 billion to run something as sacred as Star Wars into the ground. Just look at what those Disney dollars did for The Avengers! After reading and re-reading that press release, the more excited I got. Not only are we getting a new trilogy, but even more films too. Boba Fett movie, please! Today, I still feel as confident as ever, and I even did a presentation for my public speaking course on the subject. Very exciting stuff.
I did my senior research project on the Disney/Marvel buyout. How did the presentation go?
G24: Extremely well, actually! It was a persuasive speech on why the buyout was a good thing. I used Inferior Ego's article on the subject as an inspiration, as a matter of fact.
That's cool! We'll talk more on the subject a little later.
JXM: Interesting story, actually. As some of you know, I live on the East Coast of the US and was therefore affected by Sandy (albeit, very mildly, thank God). I did not have Internet access for a few days, so I wasn't up-to-date on... well anything, essentially. Somebody I know informed me that Lucasarts had been bought by Disney, which includes the rights to Star Wars and new movies. I kinda brushed it off as a rumor without giving it any thought. Then I get my Internet back, and I see my inbox flooded with comments and discussion regarding the buyout. I was... shocked, I guess. I'll be honest: first thought that came to mind, and the current thought I still have, is how this could potentially effect the EU. Needless to say, I would be quite perturbed it this were to happen.
Wow! I'm sorry, I hope you and your loved ones are okay.
JXM: Thanks. All my family and friends are perfectly fine. Oddly enough, I never lost electricity - just Internet and TV service.
That's good!So, are you still shocked about the Disney purchase?
JXM: I wouldn't say I'm shocked any longer. I've kind of accepted it as a fact at this point. Now I'm just interested in what comes of it. And fearful - very fearful.
Fear can sometimes be a good thing. That way the bar hasn't been set that high and you can either be greatly surprised or not disappointed at all.
Q4: Lets make a comparison. Back in 2009 Disney bought Marvel Comics, a company we are all well versed in (especially here in Comic Vine), the most popular reaction by fans was: "Disney will ruin Marvel!". Taking that into account, do you think that Disney will ruin Lucasfilm?
G24: That's exactly the reason why I'm not worried about this purchase at all. Ever since Disney bought Marvel, all I've seen are positive things. The Avengers was phenomenal, Earth's Mightiest Heroes was fantastic, etc. The only real thing I wasn't overly found of was Disney XD's Ultimate Spider-Man and their answer to DC Nation (can't remember what the time block was called, at the moment), but those were for the little kids. Every little kid I know loves that stuff. As a matter of fact, just the other day I was at the mall doing some Christmas shopping, and I saw a whole bunch of Marvel merchandise at the Disney Store. It's amazing! I can buy a Goofy mug and a Captain America shirt at the same store! Pretty soon, I'll be able to buy a Princess Leia t-shirt or an ewok plushie for my niece from there next Christmas, and it'll be great.
I am picturing that. Just when you thought the Disney Store couldn't get any cooler!
Jor: As Gambit said, that's one of the reasons I'm confident. Everyone was freaking out, there were parodies everywhere... We have a saying among historians here which goes something like this: History doesn't repeat itself but it does rhyme. And that is the case here. All that happened during the news of the Disney buy of Marvel is happening again with Lucasfilm, mainly Star Wars. All types of jokes. Funny thing is that after all that Marvel actually got better in a lot of departments and survived bankrupcy. When Lucasfilm and all it's properties get a nice boost from this everyone will look back and see how unnecessary it was to be worried, specially when we already saw what Disney does with big properties under it's wing.
JXM: Interesting that you mention that, Ironically, after that, Marvel was pumping out more movies and became better than ever... that said, their comics suck. Now I don't know if that's just a coincidence or not, but consider if that same thing is mirrored with Lucasarts: good movies, crap comics/books. I would be very, very unhappy.
If Marvel were to publish Star Wars comics, do you think that they would do a bad job with them?
Duo: To be honest, I kind of ignored when Disney bought Marvel. Mostly because, I didn't think it would affect them negatively. Both parties came out better on the long run. I expect Lucasfilms to do the same.
Gambit1024, don't get me started on Ultimate Spider-Man. Yeah, it's great for the younger audience, but I was expecting the series to be something for everyone. I still miss Spectacular Spider-Man.
I miss SSM too! I tried watching Ultimate but I just can't! I'm flat out admiting it... I didn't like it!!!!
G24: Unfortunately that's exclusively for the kiddies. Cool for them, but I'd love something similar to Spectacular. When they were announcing the bigger details at last year's NYCC, they were selling the show like it was gonna be the be all-end all of Spidey cartoons. What we got was... well... not that.
Duo: When I first heard about the new Spider-Man series, I assumed it was going to be based on the Ultimate Universe, but looking at it, it's like a mixture of both the mainstream, the Ultimate Universe, and some new material.
Q5: There are a few ideas about what Disneymightdo for Star Wars, before we talk about that, what do you think that the company can do for Lucasfilm's other properties? (i.e. Indiana Jones)
G24: Personally, I'd love to see an Indiana Jones animated series. That, or maybe even some comics. Disney's got Marvel, so that's definitely not too far off, I reckon. I understand that Lucasfilm also owns partial rights to the Muppets, but I'm not sure to what extent. I know my sisters adored the Muppet Babies growing up, and that's a blu-ray purchase I totally wouldn't regret.
How would an Indiana Jones animated series work? Like the old The Mummy TAS? Also, I thought the Muppets were Disney's property already...
G24: I'm not familiar with the Mummy TAS, but I was thinking of something along the lines of Batman: TAS, but with Indy. Just a new adventure every episode, ya know? As far as the Muppet stuff goes, yes, Disney owned pretty much all of it, but I'm almost positive that Lucasfilm also had a piece of it that prevented the release of Muppet Babies on DVD/Blu-Ray.
Jor: I don't really like Shi Labeouf (?) or whatever his name is, but I'd like some new Indy films, done right, and with a new Indy. I think Ford is getting a bit old and with the new gifts into the genre like Uncharted etc... there really is a big angle that could be reworked with the whole Indy Jones franchise. A game would be fun too. I'm not too sure about comics though, I don't see myself reading them.
I agree. Shia (whatever) is terrible.
JXM: *shrug* Honestly, I don't really care. I'm not an Indy fan. And considering the last movie, Indy has nowhere to go but up now.
Duo: Like everyone else commented, Indiana Jones could get a reboot, or a new TV series. I remember seeing an Indiana Jones TV series when I was young (-er (I'm not that old)) about the adventures he had growing up as a kid.
Hey, we could see another Howard the Duck movie! Am I right?
Q6: Now that we've covered the "lesser" pieces of Lucasfilm, what do you think Disney should do with the Star Wars franchise?
G24: I want my Boba Fett movie. It's something I've wanted for a while now. I don't care how it's done, but I want it. For real, though, I don't think Disney should just rush into this thing head-first. They've got to ease into a franchise this huge with the utmost of care. Of course, I have no doubts that Disney already knows this, though. The sky is the limit, as far as what the possibilities are. Not only do you have the new movie possibilities, you've also got access to TV, the theme parks, cartoons, etc. I would be interested to see how they'd handle the comic books, though. I know Dark Horse has been doing all things Star Wars since forever. Would they be taken over by Marvel seeing as how Disney's got that?
Jor: A new trilogy. Either after the original one, or set in another totally different time, maybe follow some arcs from the EU. A solo movie focused on a character, like Boba or Han, or something that I would love to see QUI GON JINN!!!!! I would freaking love a movie focused on him, because he is like my favorite SW character. On the comics department, I think they should let Dark Horse finish their run and maybe even let them continue, but Disney definitally needs to give some boost to expand a bit more on the EU not only in comics but in games and animated series too, they can't stop what has been done. They should however try to "clean the house", not to mess up with having a bunch of different media on the same universe. But yeah, what I mainly want is a Qui Gon Jinn solo movie and more games.
JXM: I want the EU to be safe at all costs. To do this, they can do one of two things:
Make adaptations of EU properties (Thrawn Trilogy, Darth Bane trilogy, NJO, Dark Empire, etc.)
Ignore the EU, but make their movies a completely separate section of canon so as not to interfere with the EU.
That's really all I want.
Duo: I'm with JediXMan. That's one of the reasons why I was cautious about the buyout. The Expanded Universe has grown so much, I don't see how you could ignore it. Making adaptations of the novels, or comic books would be the reasonable option. But then again, they're Star Wars fans out there who only consider the movies canon.
And it's most likely that Star Wars: The Clone Wars will be part of Disney XD (?). I was reading an article that The next season (6th) is in production. I wouldn't be too bothered by the network change since there's a strong possibly that season six will be the final season, but I would be concerned if Disney milked out the series by having more seasons.
I would also like, if possible, for Dark Horse to keep publishing the comics.
JXM:@Duo_forbidden Oh definitely. I want Dark Horse to remain in charge of the comics. They're doing fine, I don't see the point in changing.
Q7: There are a few rumors and hypothesis going around as to what the Star Wars movies shall be like from now on. The biggest one (something some of you already mentioned) is that there is a possibilty that ther might be multiple SW movies in a year, the same way that Marvel Entertainment has established its Avengers Movie Universe. What do you think of this idea? (Elaborate)
G24: I think it's an exciting idea. I love movies, I love the Star Wars characters, and I love that Lucas won't be writing/directing them. What's not to love? The more exposure of these characters, the better. I'm not too familiar with the extended universe, but I'd love to see and learn about them through movies, if that's what the plan is. Then there's the possibility of my dude Boba Fett getting a movie, and I get goosebumps just thinking about it. So yeah, overall, it's a great idea, and I'd love to see where things will go from here.
Duo: See, I wouldn't mind like Gambit and Jorgevy suggested, standalone movies featuring other Star Wars characters like Boba Fett, Chewbacca, Darth Maul, Yoda, and even other characters. For some characters, it can be a completely new story without worrying about continuity issues. That would make them even more popular, and give others a chance to look into the Expanded Universe. Again, seeing adaptations from the comics and novels would be great. Prequels like Knights of the Old Republic, not the game mind you, (that too is could also be a possibly), but the comic series could be adapted somehow either as a movie or a TV series.
As for the next trilogy, that's still an unknown.
Jor: I kinda like the idea that they could build on the universe, with several movies, without exactly making them direct sequels, then maybe make on that puts together some stuff from those previous movies (close to Avengers style, but obviously not the same). I think that could really work, and it would be interesting to see other sides to an otherwise slightly linear plot. Like, wars have severals fronts, focusing on different fronts with a solo movie for each, and then for each main character could be very amusing.
I thought about something like, developing smalller arcs in the solo movies (like the Avengers) and then get them together in a battle context, but unlike the Avengers, don't bring everything together, just some of the characters on the other movies. Basically, an expanded universe, very flexible and mobile where characters can go from one movie to the other without having to stick in one of them or to get together for a "team" film. It totally works with super heroes but with Star Wars, it would need a few changes.
I like this idea. Like other Jedi's point of view while Order 66 was carried out during the third/sixth movie or during the Clone Wars, right?
JXM: I hope they do the series based on the New Republic era leading into the NJO era. So essentially: Thrawn Trilogy, Dark Empire, Yuuzhan Vong, etc. I know it's probably not going to happen, but I want the EU to be firmly established as canon.
Q8: What about live-action television series? Marvel/Disney is producing a SHIELD tv show, is there a future for a SW-themed series? If you think so, what should it be about?
G24: From what I understand, there were talks of doing something like that for a little while, but they never went forth with it because it would've been too expensive. At least with SHIELD, you can get away with a limited budget, especially since there aren't any plans of recurring superheroes set to appear in it. I'd watch a live-action TV series, but I'm not exactly asking for it either. Honestly, since I know very little of the EU, it's difficult for me to even think what a series like that would even be about. Personally, I think it'd be safe to stick with the cartoons for now.
Jor: when you asked that I immediatly thought of Firefly. Joss Whedon, avengers, disney, star wars = firefly came to my mind. if it was something like that, a live action show would be very cool to explore, maybe even put it in the same universe as the big screen movies and live action. But otherwise, as in, without Whedon or someone with a similar view, or something very brand focused (which are probably gonna be the cases if they come up with a SW live action series because it's such a big franchise name and money maker), I don't really need to see a SW tv series. If done right it could be AMAZING, but it sounds toooooooo hard, and with little chance of return
(although the idea to follow Han and Chewie through their periples before ep 4 could be a really good concept for a show, like Sora said)
Duo: Last I heard, Star Wars: Underworld was the title for the live action series, and it was supposed to take place between Episode III and IV. The idea of a live action TV series is ambitious, and the way I see it could be done is each season could be set in either a different era, something similar to American Horror Story (for those who don't know, The first season was set in the present and the second season is set in the 60s). Gambit is right, a live action TV series would be too expensive to do, but I'd most likely watch it.
JXM: I always liked the idea of a live action Star Wars series. But it all depends on the era they choose.
How 'bout a new animated series (separate from Clone Wars)? One that is made by Disney.
Duo: That's a good question. Knowing Disney, an animated series would most likely be suited for the younger audience, and go on a more comedic route, something that probably involve C-3PO and R2-D2 lol. I wouldn't be too opposed on that idea.
I just imagined an animated comedy short staring C-3PO and R2D2 like the ones that play before Pixar movies. Also, one starring Jar Jar Binks.
Jor: R2D2 and C3PO having animated adventures sounds awesome!!!!!!! Id love to watch some animation involving those two, specially R2D2.
Duo: My main concern would be the amount of violence. Disney let it slide from time to time, but most of the time, they don't deal with death. Then again, Disney XD got rights to show Naruto Shippuden, and while it wasn't fully uncut, they still showed people dying. So, if Disney decides to go that route, I would want it to have a realistic approach, like Star Wars: The Clone Wars or Star Wars: Clone Wars (2003 series).
Speaking of which, I would love to see Genndy Tartakovsky to do another Star Wars animated series. His work with Clone Wars was awesome.
G24: That'd be awesome. Since Clone Wars will most definitely be coming to an end soon, I can see Disney doing something very similar to it. Not the actual concept of the Clone Wars, but something like that. Maybe a Han and Chewie show? That's be so cool.
Oh! The adventures of Han and Chewie before Star Wars IV. I would love to see that... That could actually be a good premise for a live-action show. It wouldn't have to be big budget on CGi since we are focusing on non-Jedi. Although, it might be a lot of work for the make-up people.
Duo: A Han and Chewie show would be great! And it doesn't necessarily have to always take place between Episode III and IV. They could also incorporate adventures from between IV and V.
Jor: yeah, that is an example of something i'd like to see and could be very entertaining to play with - several POV's
Q9: It's been talked about a bit already but, what if Marvel were to take over all Star Wars comics from Dark Horse? What would you or wouldn't you want to see? (Of course, this does not mean that the SW universe will collide with Marvel's. That would be dumb!)
JXM: I'm pretty sure that's been confirmed now. I am unhappy; I liked the way Dark Horse was doing the Star Wars comics. This would also signify the essential death of Dark Horse Comics. I would be curious to see how Marvel handles it, but as long as they do so with as much respect to the canon as possible.
What of the series that DH is publishing now? Should Marvel pick them up or start from scratch?
JXM: I assume that DH will wrap up the current titles and Marvel will start anew, or continue with the same story lines after the current arcs.
G24: Eh. I don't read the Dark Horse stuff anyway, so it really has no effect on me either way. Hopefully the Marvel Universe and Star Wars Universe never mix. That's basically all I got. As for what I'd actually read? I don't know... Boba Fett ongoing? Boba Fett ongoing.
Duo: Yeah, there's rumors that Marvel will acquire the rights to Star Wars comics by 2014-2015. What a lot of people don't know is that Marvel did have the rights to Star Wars comics when Star Wars started out, then Dark Horse got the rights. The fears I have for Marvel getting the rights back are:
1: They completely erase the EU and "reboot" it
2: They completely erase the EU and "reboot" it with some kind of an event
3: Crossovers with the Marvel Universe (if it's for the younger audience, that's fine)
Now, my fears may sound ridiculous, but take a look at DC's New 52, and Marvel's NOW!. Not all of the reception is negative, but not all of it is positive either. I just think it would be a waste if Marvel decides to scrap over 20 years of history.
JXM: I just want it to remain faithful to the EU. Really, that's my major concern. Unlike with the prequels, which was somewhatuncharted territory, this is going to be in uncomfortably close proximity to an era that I, personally, enjoy. But given that Lucas won't have any active role in this saga, I expect at least decent writers and directors - I doubt Disney spent 4 billion just to let it flop. They will try.
I think it's time for us to go "to infinity and beyond" and end this discussion but before we finish I just need to you to answer one last question... Q10: Now that it's been confirmed that J.J. Abrams is directing this third Star Wars trilogy, what do you think will be the general opinion of this third trilogy?
JXM: I'm... conflicted. Again, for me, the major concern is maintaining the integrity of the EU. From what I understand, Abrams is not a Trek fan, but he is a Star Wars fan. Therefore, I'm not really going to use his Star Trek movie as a basis for how he'll do Star Wars. If he's a fan, he likely has a personal stake in the project. Hopefully, he'll do it well. I really hope he can pull it off.
Jor: well if JediXMan says JJ is a fan, then that kinda calms me down, because Im not a JJ fan. not as a producer and not really as a director. But Im not a Star Trek fan either so.... eh, can't go by that. My friends do like JJ and they think he will do pretty good, but I think, just like JediXMan said, that the main thing is keeping the integrity. if that is achieved, then half of it is done. Im not that much concerned with who is directing as I am with who is doing the script and the actors involved
Duo: Two words: LENS FLARE.
But really, I think J. J. Abrams is a great director. I like the majority of his works. I'm not a huge Star Trek fan, but I did enjoy his take on the 2009 movie. My concern however, is the script. Where will the new trilogy take place?
As for the general audience, like JediXman said, I think their mindset will be conflicted, especially for those who are just a fan of just one franchise. I'm pretty sure some are saying it's blasphemy. He's directed Star Trek so, there will be that sense of doubt of if he's giving his all for both franchises. But I didn't realize that Abrams was more a fan of Star Wars than Star Trek.
Jor: What I've heard Duo, is that he is gonna leave Star Trek behind to get mainly focused on Star Wars now, but I dont know if that's true. since Im not a Trekkie, if he does end up being a good call for SW then I'd definitally prefer that
Duo: Well, there's even more news that the 3D movies have been put on hold in order to put more time in for the new trilogy. I didn't really care much about the 3D project anyway, so that's fine by me if they put more effort for Episode VII.
Jor: I agree. Episode VII has to go right and the 3D can wait
G24: Couldn't be happier. As a matter of fact, I feel that he's the ideal choice. He did a stunning job with bringing Star Trek back from the dead, and the fact that he's a Star Wars fan is all for the better. I think a fan is the kind of guy you want to breathe new life in an otherwise stale movie franchise. No offense, of course. I'm referring to the more recent movies.
Alright guys, thanks for participating. Please say your goodbyes and exit the Millennium Falcon to your right. Thank you and come again.
Jor: Thanks for keeping with us, hope you had as much fun reading as we had discussing! Cya next time!
G24: A pleasure to be here, thanks for the read, and I'll see you on the forums. Don't do drugs!
JXM: T'was an an honor to be here. I look forward to the net discussion, whatever that may be.
Duo: Thanks for having me! Hope to be part of another discussion in the future! Live long and prosper....wait, that's not right...
Special thanks to The Poet who did an amazing job editing this! 'Till next time, may the force be with you all.
I dreamt something really odd two nights ago and I wanted to share it with all of you. Best way to describe it is: Inception meets The Dark Knight Rises meets Star Wars meets... a ton of other stuff!
At the moment I am wearing a cast on my right leg (Right), I sprained my ankle pretty bad a month ago, and in my dream some dude that resembles Don Cheadle came to my room and checked my leg. He told me: "When you wake up you'll be able to walk normally again". Then he left. In my dream I went to sleep and woke up the next day to find that my leg was fine. So, for the first time in a month I put on a shoe and just then a co-worker of mine rushes in to tell me my roommate is waiting for me in the car. I rush down to meet my roommate and he drives me to what seems to be New York City. I guess there must be some kind of black hole that takes people from Mexico City to NYC and back.
Anyways, my roommate drives up to this HUGE bank where he hands me a taser and tells me to go in. I obey and walk inside. There, I excuse myself through a sea of people (I guess it was like a lobby) and reach airport-like metal detectors. Just as I am about to go through armed men in white full-body armor start coming through the metal detectors opposite of me and block my way in. I did question the fact that "real" Stormtroopers were in the bank, but brushed it off quickly. I turn around to see the sea of people on the ground with their hands on their heads. The only man standing was the guy holding everybody hostage. He was wearing a luchador-type mask and at the moment I couldn't make out who he was beacuse I was looking at him from behind. I slowly got closer and realized it was Mr. Tom Hardy in the dream-world-flesh, in other words Bane.
I was behing the Batman villain and just as I realized who he was I reached for the taser my roommate gave me. Then a moment of prudence struck me... I couldn't take Bane on with a taser and a thousand Stormtroopers!!! I put the taser back and allowed myself be pushed toward the rest of the hostages. Then I pulled out a netbook from the sudden backpack that appeared on my back and emailed my roommate who was waiting outside: "Stuck in bank. Hostage to Bane." Then the bank's intercom system filled the room with music. A song that sounded familiar... it was my roommate's phone's alarm! Then took a deep breath and woke up.
I think this is the first time I ever have such a geeky dream. Well, one that I can remember fully. I find it strange that the dream incorporated stuff from TDKR and SW since I am not that big a fan of either franchise. I like them, but not to be dreaming about it. Plus, the co-worker that suddendly arrived is someone I don't frequent with that much. Either way, hope you had fun reading about my adventure in dream-world.