So this isn't exactly a rant about Mewtwo's new form or anything, it's more of a conversation I wanted to share with you guys... I just found out about this Mewtwo form today and I told my roommate about it. Here's what happened:
Me: Hey! Have you seen this?
Roommate: Oooh! Female form of Mewtwo!
Me: No. That is Mewtwo... or his evolution rather.
Roommate: Oh! That's even better!
Me: No it's not! Mewtwo doesn't need a new form.
Roommate: Why not?
Me: He's a clone of Mew! What is he, Mewthree?
Me: Plus, look at his head!
Roommate: Bigger brain?
Me: No! That's his tail...
Roommate: Oh you're right.
Me: The guy now thinks with his ass!
Me: Plus, HE'S A CLONE! How does a clone evolve? They can't!
Roommate: Yes they can! Last night we went to the movies and watched a whole movie about how clones evolve... (Tom Cruise's Oblivion)
We ended up laughing about the whole thing, but I'm not wrong... After so many years Mewtwo comes back and evolves into this??? What do you guys think about this revelation?
-- Geo (sora_thekey) 24/7 geek! -- Follow me on Twitter: @sora_thekey
In case the title wasn't enough of a warning: (Possible) SPOILER ALERT!
This was posted on CBM.com regarding Gwen Stacy's role in The Amazing Spider-Man sequel:
Gwen Stacy (Emma Stone) will indeed check out in this film, but perhaps more surprising is that it's been hinted - note we don't know this for certain - that this won't even happen at the end, and Stone's role may not be very large at all. Like I said, that's speculation based on how the info was put across, but I personally wouldn't be surprised in Gwen buys it around the beginning of the third act, giving Spidey a reason to go off the deep end and seek revenge.
Of course, this is just speculation and is in no way oficial, but lets say it's true. After reading this, I thought of a theory on how this would work.
By the looks of it, Gwen might die by the end (or middle) of the movie, but what if "checking out in this film" doesn't mean death, but that she will simply not be around? In the comics, Gwen also disappears for a while when she leaves to live in London with her aunt and uncle after her father's death. Maybe Gwen and her family (remember that Gwen has a mom and brothers in ASM) move to London some time during ASM 2.
This could create the perfect setting for the movie's love triangle with Mary Jane Watson. What do you guys think?
PS. I just hope she doesn't die at the hands of someone other than Green Goblin.
-- Geo (sora_thekey) 24/7 geek! -- Follow me on Twitter: @sora_thekey
Welcome to a special Roundtable User Discussion. Guess what TODAY is the RTs' 2nd Anniversary! (EDITOR'S NOTE: We held this RT on March 11th, 2013)Some of us got together to talk about this special event and that conversation has been posted here for you guys to see, read and enjoy. After the "enjoy" step of this process, be sure to comment below where you can submit your own opinions after reading ours. Even if you disagree with us, we like comments. Also, go back and read our past conversations (Here) and share your thoughts...
So today is the RTs' 2nd anniversary!!! This is going to be a short one since we won't be talking about comics but rather the past 36 Roundtable Discussions that have been posted here on Comic Vine. Please welcome ReVamp (RV),kfhrfdu_89_76k (khf), EdwardWindsor (EdW/Lazy) and RazzaTazz (Razz). With cameos from our compiler.
Q1: In one sentence describe your overall experience with the Roundtables.
khf: They're one of those nice but not really all that important things in my life. I haven't read that many, ‘cause they're so LONG, and I have dozens of other things to do, too (who doesn`t?). Mostly, I don't get much of anything new about them, either. But, I think that it`s cool that there`s a thing like this too.
RV: Well, I'm not extremely involved in the Round Tables, especially not as much as I'd like, but I think its been a good one.
Razz: Can it be a run-on sentence with a lot of sentence fragments which in themselves should be separate sentences because If not I will simply say that the roundtables represent the best of CV by highlighting the people in the community that simply like to get together and discuss their love of the artform (without all of the drama).
Razz, you have been participating since RT no. 8 and you are also my present co-host in this experience, anything you'd like to add?
Razz: As co-host I can say that the roundtables have gone through a bit of a transformation much like the site has in general. It is nice to see though that with all the changes that have gone on with CV that there are some constants and that the roundtables are still around for a good reason.
EdW: Its been an interesting and somewhat confusing ride this far.
EdW, you been participating in RTs since Discussion #2, are there any words of wisdom you'd like to share with the less experienced in this awesome experience?
EdW: I'm the longest serving guest apparently which is news to me (perhaps my wisdom is at the sacrifice of memory). But I think the continued longevity of the Round table is due to the rotating members and the multitude of views they bring to an subject. I can’t remember exactly how many I have done now ( looks at Sora and Raz 3-4 maybe?) but its good to chat with others about things especially when in some cases i have come into a discussion thinking something completely different to when I left because people consider the source so differently in cases.
Actually I think it's been more than four RTs. Maybe six?
Q2: Do you have a favorite Discussion? (Whether you were part of it or not...)
khf: I liked Girl Talk. It was a break from the usual. The Batman RT was cool too for large part ‘cause this Kfhrfdu_89_76k fellow was in it.
RV: Don't particularly have a favorite discussion, but the ones involving the future direction of comics (ie, decisions made by the Big Two) have always been of particular interest to me. I like hearing what others have to say in regards to certain topics. So, I guess that RTs about the New 52 and Marvel NOW! are something I enjoyed quite a bit, because I find it interesting to look at it from a business perspective and then from a perspective of a comic book fan.
Razz: I actually have a few, but seeing as I have been both host and contributor, I don't mind bending the rules. As a participant my favourite was the all female version as I feel sometimes that the voice of female readers gets lost in the comics debate and that it was nice to collect us all together. As a host I kind of went off the grid for a while by personally recruiting people to the cause who normally don't contribute. Thus my RTs with JLone and Thanosrules on sci-fi and Az and Rogue Mar1e on fairy tales were pretty fun. Of the usual ones which I hosted, I think the Batman one stood out the most to me. I timed it to be featured right when the last movie was coming out.
EdW: I actually really enjoyed the all female one (that I believe Sora wore a dress for). As a geeky man I am used to the comic book guy stereotype (insert Sheldon Cooper/Guy from Simpsons here). The discussion of strong female characters and how the world perceive female comic fans was quite cool and enlightening to me as a man. I think i was part of the male one (I was wasn't I?) and that was more a comedic affair it's good to mix the theme an tone and i like the serious almost documentary style approach of the All girl RP.
Q3: Be honest, was there a certain RT which you didn't like in the course of these past two years?
khf: AvX. The story is pretty mediocre, and discussing of it pretty boring. I still read it, though. To support the RTs.
RV: Not really no, I don't think there has. I mean, that are always RTs that interest me more than others, but tha'ts not to say I dislike an RT in particular. I think that most RTs accomplish what they set out to do and provide the community with an outlet (or another, I guess) to express their ideas in a varied range of topics, so I enjoy them quite a bit.
Razz: Well I generally like them all, but I edited one for solicits at one point with about five participants and it took about three hours to sort out. It was still fun though. In fact this one was memorable for me as two of my closest friends at CV took part in it.
EdW: I'm not a massive DC fan so some DC heavy ones slipped me by a little. I never really didn't like a RT just didn't understand or care for the subject matter as much. (there was a blackest night one wasn't there?)
That's the beauty of the table, different knights ( as I like to call them) for each of the roundtable meetings (PS. I call Lancelot)
In that case I'm Arthur! :P
Razz: (Geo is the best.) I call Guinevere then!
"A wild 'Poet' appears!"
Razz: Hi Poet, ignore all comments where I say Geo is the best mod, you know you are the best
(Note to Geo- ignore the above statement)
Poet: I call Merlin (and if I can't be the young BBC version then I supose I'll take regular old version) for the "Knights" of the RT if Razz gets Guinevere, Sora is Arthur and EdW calls Lancelot.
Once again, The Poet proves to be the best Mod!
(Except for Razz of course...)
Poet, ignore that last bit of this comment.
Razz... Aww screw it! I'm the best Mod! I'm Arthur after all, and because of the way I'm humbly speaking I guess I'm the BBC version...
EdW: There's more mods than normal folk up in here.
khf: We are in the presence of the mighty ones. Such glory!
Also, if we can find a way to incorporate all of this Mod and Knights stuff into the RT it'd be awesome.
Edw: A little off topic banter adds character.
khf: Truly. But it doesn`t bother me.
Banter is the foundation of the RTs... Not excalibur!
Edw: Excalibur ( the sword and marvel team) are awesome. My RPG character is based on captain Britain who wields the sword and runs the team that's how cool i think they are lol.
Khf: Best RT ever.
Q4: We've had different types of features like Movie Reviews, Comic Book Solicits, Spotlights and other special RTs (Girl and Guy Talk), what are your opinions on these features?
khf: I don`t them count most of them special features. I mean, we talk about comicy stuff in all of them, which is the whole point.
RV: Like I said above, I think that much like RTs they provide the community with a manner to discuss and express their ideas on certain topics. I particularly like Movie Reviews and Comic Book Solicits, as I think its a breath of fresh air and helps us prevent on becoming saturated on certain comic book topics that are always a mainstay for discussion.
Razz: They are all good, I love it when the community comes together and discusses comics. I think the Spotlights are best.
EdW: Features are cool they are the little change that keeps the formula fresh. Discussing themes other than just the comic (hot topic) gives us access to wider reaching subjects. As I mentioned in question 2 its good to see other peoples view of the world not just their opinions on an issue or an arc etc. I think the features offer an easier access point for the less comic nerd type as well since from experience some subjects have got a little geeky. (i ceartinly played my part in that)
Q5:Do you guys any questions for me about the RTs? (I kind of ran out of questions)
Razz: It is interesting to look back over the course of the roundtables and look at the history of my own experiences at this website. When I first started doing them I was pretty new here and being asked to do them was a nice gesture by the old guard as to what they thought of me. As I have progressed and eventually became a moderator I took them on in a different light and learned some new things on the fly about how to conduct a group interview (it is not as easy as it seems, and Geo really deserves a lot of credit for making them seem to easy.) Mostly though I think of where I have been and who I have met here and the fact that these are ongoing gives me hope for some more great friends here in the future.
D'aaaaawwww! That's really nice of you to say!
EdW: How did you come up with the idea? and why did you decide to call it the roundtable?
The answer to those two questions is actually the same. For some time I wanted to be part of a podcast (listen to one of CV's Podcast for on January of last year and you'll hear I was almost a participant) but of course I don't have the equipment. I got to guest star in the Pass the Whiskey podcast that SparklyKiss hosted later on. So I got this idea of being the host of a "written podcast". Shortly after I was reading an feature article on a Kingdom Hearts website (go figure) that was called Staff Roundtable Discussion (or something like that). There they talked about KH games so I thought why can't I do that with comics. Of course, I thought about it and came up with Comic Vine's Roundtable User Discussion. Nice question...
Q6: Any future topics which you think the roundtables should show off?
khf: Golden Age of comics.
Razz: I think an Iron Man themed roundtable to coincide with the upcoming movie would be great.
EdW: Comicbook computer games , PIS ( Plot induced Stupidity) and jobbing.
RV: Video Games. Discussing other media which overlaps with comic books more broadly, but movies like the Avengers and TDK already have been discussed to death. I guess by extension so has the Arkham series, but I find it curious to see how the comic book-games market will expand from now on, now that the bar has been set as high as it has by Rocksteady. DCUO, while not the best game ever, also did a pretty apt job at transferring the player into the DC Universe. I'm curious to see how we'll evolve in terms of games, especially since the market for movies is booming, which to me tells me that the interest in Superheroes is at an all time high, so hopefully we'll see something out of the industry.
Q7: Before we go I want you all to feel like you´ve participated in ALL of the last 37 RTs. So, we are going to do our very own lightning round:
Favorite origin story?
EdW: Captain Britain
RV: Batman. Wolverine if it didn't get so convoluted at times.
khf: Silver Surfer’s. Or Spider-Man’s.
What do you prefer: Kid-themed or adult-themed comics?
EdW: Adult loved x-force (new uncanny not so much right now)
RV: Adult. Though I'm partial to Tiny Titans.
What's more important: Art or Writing?
EdW: Art bad writing isn't good either but bad art is an instant turn off
RV: Writing. Unless its Romita jr. or someone comparable.
khf: In prose, writing. In comics, both are equals. Art can stand on its own though, in comics. It needs a story as a companion though, obviously.
Razz: Can I say Dollhouse? It was a tv series first though.
EdW: Walking Dead no question
RV: Don't watch any, except a couple episode of Arrow. So Arrow.
khf: Haven't watched any that would be a fail of mine.
Superman, yay or nay?
EdW: Nay. Not for me.
RV: Meh. I've warmed up to him. Yay.
What do you prefer: Team or solo books?
EdW: Teams, I like interaction
RV: Team Books.
khf: Solo, more focus to a character. Team books have their own, awesome feel to them, though. Mostly there`s inner tension, big villains, big arcs and crisises. And multiple characters, that get a bit attention for themselves, not all of it.
This is a bit of an unconventional roundtable. We never actually got around to doing the best of 2012 roundtable and also never did one looking forward to 2013 so we decided to do both together though it is already three months into 2013 and away from 2012. This means that the “best of” format is not being adhered to very strictly and that we are taking a different approach. Also, go back and read our past conversations (Here) and share your thoughts...
So welcome to the 2012 (and 2013) Roundtable. Say hello everyone!
BI: Hello Viners, I'm Brazen_Intellect,
AKA: The last guy on Comic Vine who still likes Iron Man, no matter how hard Marvel makes it to do so.
AKA: That guy who blogs about Marvel sometimes
AKA: That guy who thinks Cyclops, Wolverine, and Captain America are all wrong.
B91: I'm Blood the most famous viner you've never heard of.
DS: Hi I'm Kurt. This is now the third time I've started doing one of these. Hey, maybe this one will make it to the website.
J: Hi, I'm Jawsh! I like sharks and peanut butter.
What have you all been reading lately?
BI: My pull list has been primarily Marvel for about as long as I can remember, but that list keeps getting smaller. I have been slowly getting further and further disenchanted with the Marvel U for some time now, there was a time I was never more than a week behind and now I find myself sometimes 3 months behind depending on the title. Bad event after bad event (damn you AvX) has just been grinding away at my patience and interest, but I am hopefully optimistic that Age of Ultron may be the one to get them out of their rut. Marvel NOW! Has really not wowed me so far, it’s more of a marketing ploy than any substantial change in direction that will improve the long term prospects of the Marvel U. I really just started getting back into DC again about 5 years ago and before you know it, BAM, New 52. I understand why DC went in this direction, but overall I am not a fan, too many of the changes are just not for the better IMO. I have tried out quite a few of the series but few have kept my interest for very long and most have been pale imitations of what they used to be. At this point I easily collect more TPB’s of the DCU than New 52 titles.
Current reading list (I pick up others here and there but these are the ones I keep up regularly):
Marvel: Avengers, New Avengers, Iron Man, Uncanny X-Men, Astonishing X-Men, Cable and X-Force
DC: Batman, Batwoman,
Indie: Saga, Invincible
B91: Oh my that is quite a list you're asking for.....
Alrighty § Uncanny X-Force § Aquaman § All New X-Men § Wonder Woman § Hawkeye § Batman § Avengers § New Avengers § Ultimate X-Men § Fearless Defenders § Justice League Dark § Wolverine and The X-Men § Captain America § Young Avengers § Gambit § Xtreme-X-Men § Journey into Mystery
DS: I just went through the hassle of moving my pull list to another comic store, so I was able to put the knife to a lot of my normal books. I've gone from about twenty books down to five, they are;
I've just finished reading John Wagner's Darkies Mob which is a brutal comic set in the Burma Campaign during the second World War. It is firmly in the John Wagner wheelhouse of bad people doing bad things to bad people, both the Japanese and British are racist scum, both sides are filled with war criminals and by the end of it you need to have a bath just to clean your soul, and all came from Battle a 70's Boys comic aimed, well, boys.
J: My pull list of comics varies from month to month, and I like to read a lot of back issues, but as of this moment these are the comics I'm reading most fervently: 1. Superior Spider-man 2. Ultimate Comics Spider-man 3. Avenging Spider-man 3. Scarlet Spider 4. FF 5. Deadpool 6. Batman 7. Batman Inc. 8. Batman & Robin 9. Daredevil 10. Hawkguy 11. Red Hood and the Outlaws 12. Aquaman 13. Justice League 14. The Walking Dead 15. All-New X-Men 16. Nightwing 17. Invincible 18. Skullkickers
What is your overall favourite comic memory from 2012?
B91: Tough one... I think Hawkeye's censorship moment takes the cake "That was 2012 right?" The entire series has been really stretching the realm of superhero comics and while I have some issues with the characterization the series is still brilliant.
BI: My favorite comic memory of 2012 would have to be Saga in its entirety. With so little going on in Marvel and DC that has me enthused, its nice to see there is something exceptional and original out there to tide me over. I could go on for pages about what this title does right, but I think just about everyone who has given it a chance has seen the light by now. While seeing Runaways come to a premature end was disheartening, if this is what we get in trade, I'll deal with it just fine.
DS: Going back to John Wagner, sorry. There is a moment during the six month long Judge Dredd: Day of Chaos story where Judge Beeny tries to hand in her badge. It was really the first point where I realised that Day of Chaos wasn't about the actual Day of Chaos, it was just a full stop to the destruction of Mega City One. I mean by this point in the story the villain was already dead, the Statue of Judgement had been destroyed, the Academy of Justice was destroyed and most of the Judges were dead. The Judges had lost three months prior and we didn't realise it, they didn't realise it. Hell I'm not sure that the current assistant to Tharg, Matt Smith, knew what he had allowed John Wagner to write. So for John Wagner and Henry Flint to take the time to show not only the Macro effects of the event, but to take the time to show the Micro effects of the event gives it a real human edge that I feel so often gets forgotten in comics. Also Fantagraphics publication of Wandering Son. You should own Wandering Son.
J: Wow, this is a tough one to answer. I would say 2012 was a year where I really recaptured my love of comics. I've read them for years, but this was the year I became absolutely obsessed again. There were so many good comics out there. I absolutely LOVED Sweet Tooth- that was such a beautifully woven tale that finished well. Punk Rock Jesus was an amazing story and a powerful satire. Aquaman became cool again! The Bat family's Court of the Owls was great. Luther Strode was a fun new comic full of action and gore. The Boys ended with an emotional punch to the groin. Peter Parker is killed and has his life taken over by Doc Ock! The Walking Dead made me cry my own tears! (Kirkman, you are so brutal bro). And then Hawkeye, a character I have never liked, is placed in the hands of Fraction and Aja to become arguably the best comic of the year. 2012, for me is the year where all my old friends who haven't read comics in years came out of the woodwork buying bat, spider and zombie comics and talking to me about them like we were geeky teenagers again. 2012 is the year I became re-obsessed with comics.
How do you think your favourite moment of 2012 will carry into 2013?
B91: Well with the dynamic duo of Fraction and Aja on the title Hawkeye is bound to become a cult favorite for years to come. It's always great when a character you love finally gets some real recognition.
BI: While I have followed the Marvel U for over two decades at this point, I have twice before taken a multi-year sabbatical when I felt it was creatively at a low point, 2013 may be the time for a third one unless things improve. If so I'll likely dip my toe into the indie scene more often than I do now, there are a lot of titles I have been recommended and have yet to try out. As for the New 52, I really hope Batgirl improves because I'm a fan of the character, but her new title has been underwhelming so far.
Shout out to Mercy - OG Birds of Prey > New 52 Birds of Prey
DS: Well John Wagner is coming back to Dredd some time this year to write a Dark Judges story, which should also see the return of Judge Death who is currently in hell. Adding in the factors of PJ Maybe is currently holding the souls of Judges Fear, Fire and Mortis in a wine bottle, and that Judge Beeny hasn't been seen since Chaos Day, which could make for a fun series of events.
J: The Spiders- I think that Superior Spider-man will continue to go into interesting territory with Doc Ock in charge of the webslinger. We'll probably see him become both more heroic and more villainous as the year progresses. From the indication we read in Avenging Spider-man we're likely to see something pretty terrible happen this year. One wish I have- I would LOVE to see Kaine take on Octo-Spidey and just destroy him! This will likely be the year that Ock's secret is revealed, and I don't think the heroes of the world are going to be too happy about it! The Bats- I think that the Bat Family will go into a dark place after their defeat at the hands of the Joker, and the death of Damian. Dick has lost just about everything and everyone he held the most dear. I'd argue Nightwing loved Damian just as much as Bruce did. It's going to be a tough year for him. For Jason and Tim, they're both dealing with the effects of whatever the Joker has done to the two of them, and Batman will be more alone than he has been in awhile and dealing with demons that are darker than any he has faced in many years. I'm actually wondering how he's going to make it. Hawkguy- will continue to be a hilarious romp as faces off against the tracksuit bros, but I think they'll shift slightly away from the humor coming this year as he squares off against the King Pin. Lastly, I think the surprise comic success of the year will be the Skull Kickers! That comic is hilarious. I love their irreverent covers and new first editions which parody both Marvel and DC. Meanwhile, the anachronistic medieval fantasy satire is a really entertaining story. Other than the Spiders, the Bats and Hawkguy, this is the comic that my friends and I probably talk about the most. I think that will keep increasing in 2013 with the adjectivally laden, Uncanny, Savage, Mighty, All New Super Secret Skullkickers.
So let's shift gears a little bit. 2012 was also a big year for comic book movies, and 2013 is going to be big as well for a few reasons. Can you all highlight a few things that were most memorable from the big screen from last year.
DS: I saw Dredd. I loved it. Seeing my favourite comic character (Judge Anderson) get treated with right amount of respect and love just made me happy. I recommend you read Laura Sneddon's " Why Dredd 3D gets women in comics right" article if you haven't.
I didn't see any other comic book films. I'm sick of origin stories, I'm sick of Superheroes saving the city, I'm sick of these crappy PG13 action films.
J: I love the fact that we had a Spider-man man in 2012 that captured his humor and quips. It wasn't a perfect movie, but I had a lot of fun watching it. Also, I loved fact that the Avengers movie gave a new recipe for a successful super hero movie. It didn't need to be dark, gritty or realistic in order to be good. I think this was probably the best super hero movie to date. The one thing I loved most was the humor that was put into the action. It made me feel like a kid again. Lastly, I didn't love The Dark Knight Rises, but it did put a successful end to Nolan's fantastic Batman series. Loved Bane & Catwoman - my issues are more with the story, but it was a good movie.
BI: 2012 was all about the beginning of one franchise (Avengers) and the end of another for the time being (The Dark Knight Rises). Avengers was further proof that while Marvel has a lot of work to do with their comics line, their movie studio is a well oiled machine. I am not going to pretend that it was a perfect or even great movie, but it was entertaining as hell and gave fans of all the characters something to smile about. You can see how everything is tied together and one project is used to springboard into the others, hard not to be impressed with the process. On the other hand DC is still spinning its wheels, outside of the Batman franchise they are woefully incompetent, either unable to get things off the ground after years of effort (Wonder Woman, Flash) or pushing out films the fans are just not embracing (Superman Returns, Green Lantern). The Dark Knight Rises was a good movie, but also IMO the weakest of the trilogy, they need to build another franchise and soon because its going to be some time before they can reboot this one and not be trapped by Nolan's shadow.
B91: The entire Avengers film just raised the bar on Superhero films. Amazing Spider-Man and The Dark Knight Rises were alright and had some great moments. Hope to see this trend carry on now in 2013, but I'm skeptical of anything Fox makes, and Marvel's Ant Man and Guardians of the Galaxy are certainly.... Imaginative choices, but Marvel has proven they can make some fantastic things.
In light of recent news that the Bale Batman is going to be worked into the Justice League movie, plus the plans for phase 2 of the Marvel cinematic universe, do you think the ground has been set for the new movies coming out?
J: For 2013, I'm trying not get my hopes up for Thor, Man of Steel, & Wolverine. I haven't loved the previous movies for these characters so I'd rather be pleasantly surprised than disappointed again. Unfortunately, they are hyping up Man of Steel so much right now that you'd think it was gearing up to sweep the Oscars. There has never, in my opinion, been a good Superman movie yet. Until I see one, I'm not sure that it can be done. As for Iron Man 3, it's too late for me! The trailer looked amazing and IM1 & Avengers were so good that my expectations are already through the roof.
BI: As for 2013 and moving forward, I have to admit to being very skeptical with much that has been announced outside of the sequels to the established films. I am not sold on many of the properties being used as part of Marvel's Phase 2 being the right choices yet, many of these are going to be a hard fit into the existing Marvel Cinematic Universe and could just as likely be complete bombs as massive successes. With Disney, Pixar, and Marvel now all under the same roof, I would have really liked to see Guardians of the Galaxy be done as a Pixar animated film, yet still tied into the MCU. Of all the Phase 2 projects this is the one I am most apprehensive for, it just seems too easy to go astray for a number of reasons.
DC's future rests on if they can actually get their act together and turn the proposed Justice League movie into a reality. Even green-lighted and with Nolan steering the ship, there are a lot of things outside of their control that will determine if the film ever comes to be. Rumors aside there is no guarantee that Bale will return as Batman ( I will believe it when I see him in costume and on-set, no sooner), and if Man of Steel is not a huge hit the whole thing could get tossed back into development hell. If these two factors come to be, then DC might finally have the momentum to get the ball rolling on building their own cinematic universe and finally satisfying their devoted fans.
B91: Marvel definitely has an entire world opening up in their film franchises and I'm excited to see the different aspects of their cast of heroes explored and how they are incorporated. DC *Sigh* not sure what to think. It really is in Man of Steels success. If they can't make it work then I don't see them making a JL movie work.
Are there any comics moments from 2012 that you hope will get a do-over in 2013? AvX anyone?
B91: Don't even get me started. I've moved on from that mess. However I wish that Storm and Black Panther's divorce had been handled better. The situation hasn't gotten the attention it deserved and now it just lingers over both characters, so I hope to see more closure on their situation as both characters are really shining right now. Otherwise I'm enjoying Marvel Now so I'll let AVX slide as long as Marvel keeps up the good work.
J: The moment from 2012 that I'd like to see reversed is the origin of Tim Drake. Tim used to be my favorite character from any comic book. Now he's an unlikable jerk of character with a bad costume that looks like a lame version of the Falcon. Originally, he was a detective prodigy who discovered the identities of Batman & Nightwing. Now, that's been given to Dick Grayson, and by the way... he was never a Robin, he's the guy from the hamburger train. DC made my absolute favorite character into one I don't even like. My number 1 request would definitely be for DC to redo his origin or at least redeem his character. I know DC doesn't "owe" the fans anything, but there was a reason Tim was the only character to successfully support a solo Robin series for so long.
BI: I would not like to see an AvX do-over.
DS: Can I get away with saying all of DC? No. Okay here is the thing that made me the most mad. Ste phanie Brown's announcement as Nightwing, then replacement as Nightwing. Smallville did, as far as I'm concerned, the impossible, in that it made me care about Superman the character in a Superman book. You see I like the idea of Superman the Icon, the people around Superman, and how he affects them. But I don't care about Superman. I'm fine with Clark Kent but the moment he takes off the suit and glasses my eyes glaze over, because Superman punching things is really boring. So when it was announced that Bryan Q Miller was going to bring Steph to Smallville I was beyond happy. Then there were the rumours that Steph had been replaced, then Bryan Q Miller was dropped from the Superman Panel at The San Diego Comic Con, then it comes down to Dan “writer of nothing worth a damn” Didio to come out and say Steph has been replaced, by Barbara Gordon. Lets ignore the way DC tried to justify this falling back the term “Iconic”, which DC has used in the last two year as much as Marvel promises its “events” will Change the Marvel Universe. You see my problem with replacing Steph with Barbara Gordon is it is another case of DC pitting its fans against each other. We’ve gotten to a point now where you have three distinct fan bases inside the Bat-books alone (Babs, Cassandra Cain, and Steph) constantly squabbling over every little thing when we all want the same thing. We want to see the characters we love together in comics, and not written by Scott Lobdell. How are we ever going to get back the smaller characters like Wendy Harris, Nella, and an Anarky that wasn’t bastardized by Fabian Nicieza?
That is it for 2012 and for 2013 (for now). It is still early in the year and the best stuff is mostly yet to happen (though there have been some interesting developments thus far.) One of the things to depend on for 2013 is more roundtables.
Usually disaster movies follow a simple parameter, a happy and loving setting is ripped away by the sudden calamity that keeps the audience guessing if the main characters will survive or not.The Impossible doesn't stray from that plot, except that this time I actually believed it. I never thought a movie could physically hurt....
Like I mentioned above, this movie doesn't stray far from the norm, but because it was based on a true story you couldn't help but lose that sense of disbelief. The story revolves around a family who spend their Christmas holiday in the beautiful beaches of Thailand. The Bennet family suffers from a great deal of wonderful joy only to be cut off by the cruelty of nature. This is the point in the movie where 2004's Indian Ocean Tsunami hits and washes away this beautiful setting.
Anybody who knows me well can tell you that if I put the popcorn down during a movie, "things just got real". The simple wave that tore away the spirit of Naomi Wattsand Ewan McGregor's characters made such an impact that I held my breath until I could see the characters above water. Straight on from there the movie painfully depicts the family's suffering. It showed little of the gore that disasters like these can bring, but even so, throughout those scenes I strongly held on to my seat, forced my back into it, bit my lip and clenched my jaw.
It just took moments to destroy this happy family that had been established at the beginning of the movie, and that's not a bad thing. The problem was that after having such a strong beginning the climax fell short by just a little, but I'm not complaining. I loved it nonetheless.
The Verdict - 4.5 out of 5
It succesfully made me feel empathy for not just the physical pain this family was going through, but also the emotional torture they experienced. Any movie that can transmit that much pain and emotion onto the audience deserves praise.
In a recent interview with IGN.com, Shawn Ashomre talked about playing Iceman for the fourth time in 2014's X-men: Days of the Future Past movie. During the interview, one of his responses might have teased something about the movie's plot.
Ashmore explains that he did not get his hopes up to returning to the role of Bobby Drake when he first heard about this movie, but as an X-Men fan he knew that the story involved time travel:
I know about the script, but I haven’t been able to read the script. (Laughs) I haven’t read the script, but I have a very good idea of what’s happening and what my role is. I know, but I’m sworn to secrecy.
When asked if he was excited for the story that has been planned out he answered:
I think the take on the story is really interesting. I think that Days of Future Past, as any X-Men fans knows, is a great arc. I love the idea of combining and bringing some cohesion to the two timelines that are happening now. I think that’s exciting. Obviously the First Class cast is incredible, and having Ian Mckellen and Patrick Stewart and Hugh Jackman interact with other cast members is going to be really exciting. Not only is the combination of the cast going to be really cool, but the story itself is going to be really fun.
Could this mean that the characters who will travel back in time are Magneto, Xavier and Wolverine instead of Kitty Pryde? With the confirmation of Ellen Page returning to the role of Shadowcat one would assume that she would play a key role in the adaptation of this X-Men story arc. Then again, comic book movies aren't known for keeping their plots true to the source material.
Fox's X-Men: Days of Future Past opens in theaters on July 18, 2014.
Long ago in a galaxy far far away... A couple of CV users virtually met up to talk comic books and other comic-related topics. That conversation has been posted here for you guys to see, read and enjoy. After the "enjoy" step of this process, be sure to comment below where you can submit your own opinions after reading ours. Even if you disagree with us, we like comments. Also, go back and read our past conversations (Here) and share your thoughts...
Today's topic takes us to a world where "The 'magic' is with you!"-- wait, that's not right! It's a place where "A dream is a wish your 'midi-chlorians' make"?-- nope, that' ain't right either! "Space. The final frontier..."-- Crap! <sighs> Let's just get started.
Here with me are five awesome users who will help me make sense of this rather odd discussion topic. Please welcome Master JediXMan (JXM), Archaeologist Jorgevy (Jor), Sorcerer Duo_forbidden (Duo) and Disney Princess Gambit1024 (G24). Odd bunch we have today and it's a nice coincidence that their official titles pertain to the topic at hand! Say your greetings:
Duo: Duo_forbidden my name is. Here, glad to be Sora.
Jor: Hey I'm user Jorgevy but my actual name is Jorge (sounds like George rather than Spanish Jorge) and it's nice to be here!
G24: Hiya! I'm Gambit, and it's great to be here. Thanks for having me!
JXM: Hello, all! JediXMan, here. I feel like I should make a witty Star Wars reference...
All hail Lel...
... that wasn't Star Wars. Oh well.
Welcome Jedi, padawans, archaeologists, sorcerers, princesses... and geeks! To prove you are geeks, let me ask you the customary beginning question: What geeky things have you been doing lately?
Duo: I've been playing catch up with some comics. Eagerly awaiting Amazing Spider-man #700!!!! (Editor's Note: This RT Discussion took place before Dec, 26th, 2012)
Jor: Well, as my title suggest, I'm an archaeologist. Actually, I'm studying History in college, but if that isn't nerdy enough (I dont like the word geek) I also have been reading comics (NO WAY!), specially the new Marvel NOW! titles, and I'm rewatching the two SW trilogies after having heard of the topic at hand.
Yay! I got the Archaeologist title right! (Kind of...)
G24: What I've been doing: Well, as of right now, I've been replaying the new Man of Steel trailer over and over and over again for the past few hours. While that's not going on, I've been reading the new Marvel NOW titles. I gotta say, the ones I've picked up (Thor, Hulk, and Avengers) are pretty damn fantastic.
JXM: Lately, I've been reading Fables, read Y: The Last Man, watched Hellsing (Ultimate and the original anime - Ultimate is better). I'm also a Code Geass fan... like that's a secret.
Viva geeks/nerds! Now that we've established that we are all geeks, lets begin with a something that interests ALL of us. So if you don't like Star Wars or Disney the emergency exit is right behind you. Remember the chaos that the Disney/Marvel buyout created on the internet? Well, something similar has happened. If you haven't heard (because you don't use the internet and this is the first time you ever use a computer), Disney Co. has gone through with its latest buyout: Lucasfilm.
Before we get into this catalyst of this buyout lets start off by talking about these two huge entities separately.
Q1: Disney is well known for it's amazing work on animated film, their tie to Pixar, theme parks and buying Marvel Comics. Give me your overall opinion of The Walt Disney Co.
Duo: I love Walt Disney. Walt Disney has been a part of my childhood growing up, and the majority of their movies are great. I recently watched Wreck-It Ralph, and I would say that it's on par with Pixar's movies.
I loved Wreck-It-Ralph! I recently bought "When Can I See You Again?" by Owl City because of that movie. Plus, most of my favorite animated movies are Disney's. Love Tangled!
Duo: Exactly! That song went along with movie! It's extremely catchy!
It's my ringtone right now. I just can't get enough of this song!♪♫ Switch on the sky and the stars glow for you. Go see the world 'cause it's all so brand new. Don't close your eyes because your future's ready to shine. It's just a matter of time before we learn how to fly... ♪♫
Jor: As with almost everyone, Disney was a big part of my childhood and it still is part of me. I love the movies and I'm overall pretty happy with Disney and Marvel shenannigans. Only thing that disappointed me was the recent Prince Of Persia movie (big fan of the games). It had everything to be great, but it was just good. Other than that they're A-OK to me!!
Under the same style of movies, what did you think of Disney's John Carter?
Jor: No I actually haven't watched John Carter! I find it hard to watch movies nowadays but that is one that I was excited to watch but unfortunatelly I didn't yet (although I am going to as soon as I can - the trailer and the stuff it's based on [the novels] and the whole concept seems super interesting). If you asked me that based on Prince of Persia, although im a big fan of sword and sandal, PoP was mainly because I grew up with all the PoP games and the Prince is one of my favorite game characters ever (the original parkour guy FTW! GO HOME ALTAIR & EZIO)
G24: Having been practically raised on Disney movies, I guess saying that I'm a fan is a bit of an understatement. I love Disney! They're a very smart company that practically owns everything I love: from Mickey Mouse, to Hercules, to Buzz Lightyear, to even Spider-Man. My favorite Disney film is most definitely WALL-E, followed by The Lion King, the Toy Story trilogy, and the very recent Wreck-It-Ralph.
I have not met a person that doesn't like Toy Story 3, and all of the movies you mention are some of my top favorite! Judging from the movies you mention you must also like Treasure Planet, Finding Nemo and Tarzan.
G24: I know, right? Personally, Toy Story 3 was especially touching because Andy and I graduated high school in the same year. We sorta grew up together, and it's very sentimental stuff. Finding Nemo was a very good film, but I didn't quite like it as much as some others. Tarzan freaking rocked, and it's definitely in my top five. Is it embarrassing to say that I've never watched Treasure Planet?
It's awesome that you mention that. Andy and I graduated one year apart (apparently I'm older), but like you I grew up with Andy too. The sentimental part for me was that I gave away my toys one week before watching TS3. That last scene was heartbreaking!
Never watched Treasure Planet?! You must now go to the nearest video store and rent it or buy it! (It's on Netflix.) It's not the best Disney film but it does appeal to me in many ways. Plus, who doesn't like adventure, pirates, interstellar sail ships and a robot with a Dory-like complex?
JXM: Disney will, eventually, take over the world. Surprised it hasn't bought Facebook yet. The two big guys right now are Google and Disney... only a matter of time. That said, Disney hasn't been too great lately, except for Pixar - and even that isn't as good as it once was. I, for one, would like to see the return of 2D animated movies and TV shows.
Did you watch Wreck-It-Ralph? There was a short called Paperman that played before the movie. It was a combination of 2D animation (with a similar 101 Dalmatians character design) and 3D animation. I LOVED it! This got me thinking that Tangled (one of my, now, favorite Disney movies) would have been so much better if this animation would've been used instead of the Pixar-like animation. Anyways, I agree with you on the animation front lately, but what do you think of Disney recently story-wise?
JXM: I actually haven't seen it yet, despite the fact that many of my friends are telling me I should.
JXM: Story-wise, I don't know. It just doesn't feel like Disney feels like... Disney anymore. I loved their pre-2000 stuff, but lately... I don't know. It could be the animation, but it also feels like a lack of originality.
Intersting to hear a somewhat-negative opinion on Disney. This RT could prove even more interesting than I thought.
Q2: George Lucas is the man behind Lucasfilm. Which is a company known for its biggest franchises: Indiana Jones and Star Wars. What is your overall opinion of Lucasfilm.
Duo: Well, like you said, Lucasfilm is better known for both the Star Wars and Indiana Jones franchises. They had other works, but not as popular as those two. They also provide some great special effects. Overall, I think Lucasfilms made an impact in the Hollywood industry.
What do you mean by impacting the Hollywood industry? Is it because of the special effects you mention or because of the story?
Duo: I would say the special effects. I mean, we would eventually see the type of special effects we now see currently, but I think Lucasfilms made that possibly a reality first. Today, you have movies like The Matrix, Avatar, Life of Pi, just to name a few. And they look good.
Jor: I only know of those two franchises but I love them both. Indiana Jones was/is kinda an inspiration for me to choose History, I really love adventure movies, and Harrison Ford is bad-ass. Their work with the latest movie wasn't that great but eh... It's okay. On the Star Wars front I think Lucasfilm has done an amazing work. Even if recently (I-II-III Episodes) they couldn't exactly replicate what they had done before, it was great.
G24: Lucasfilm is a company that was founded on pretty awesome ideas. I've watched and loved the original Star Wars trilogy, as well as the original Indiana Jones films, but the company's recent films, such as Episodes I-III and Kingdom of the Crystal Skullwere either lackluster at best, or just plain terrible. No disrespect to those that disagree with me, of course, but those recent films just weren't for me.
"Founded on pretty awesome ideas"... Why do you think the recent movies are "lacklusters" in your opinion? I have to say I don't exactly agree with you because I am a fan of all six of the Star Wars films, (not the latest Indy though), but I do want to know why.
G24: I guess I'll just have to elaborate, then! Lucasfilm, without a doubt, has always been a leader when it came to special effects and sound quality. Those effects used in A New Hope were incredible for its time. While I personally am not a fan of Lucas's, most of those shots of planets being obliterated or ray guns or any of that real sci-fi stuff Episode IV were utterly fantastic. I'll never except those new additions that he constantly keeps pushing. As far as the recent Star Wars films goes, I just find them incredibly boring. Literally the only things I could say that I enjoyed about them was Darth Maul, and practically all the fight-scenes in Episode III (which is the only film of that trilogy that I'll go on record saying that it wasn't bad). The rest of it was just... well, I just fast-forward them. Regarding the latest Indy movie, the whole thing was trash. Shia LaBeouf could never, and should never, replace Harrison Ford.
I have a thing against Shia LaBeuf, but we won't get into that here... I understand what you mean now... that lightsaber sound effect will go one in history as one of the most iconic sounds in history.
JXM: As most people around here know, I have a strong dislike for George Lucas: terrible writer, overrated direction, and not too creative. I also think the original Star Wars movie is rather overrated, but that's a discussion for another time. I think Lucasarts in general has been losing steam over the years. Their best work in recent years might be 1313, but it's far too early for me to say that with any certainty - and considering their last game series *cough*TFU*cough* I will play the game with low expectations.
Wow! I didn't know this about you... plus, I really wouldn't peg you for an anti-Lucas with the username you carry. So, you dislike George Lucas, but why do you call yourself a Jedi?
JXM: Doesn't mean that I dislike Star Wars. Needless to say, I'm a big Star Wars fan, especially the EU. But I still see the harm Lucas has caused. Seems to me that the only good contribution he made was the first movie. The rest of the OT was mostly handled by other people, and then... well, we know what happened with the prequels. I, for one, think he should have left Star Wars in more capable hands years ago. Maybe that's Disney? I don't know.
Maybe... We'll speculate about what Disney might do later.
Q3: Now that we've established the two companies on their own... Back on October 30th (2012) The Walt Disney Co. acquired Lucasfilm for $4.05 billion. When the announcement hit the web, what was your initial reaction? Did that reaction stick?
Duo: I thought it was a joke at first. A huge joke. I mean, as soon as the news hit the web, there were so many jokes about it like Princess Leia being included with the other Disney Princesses, how Lucasfilms were truly going to the Dark side with this deal, Disney stars from the Disney channel playing different characters, Star Wars sing-a-longs etc.. After sitting down and reading over it, I became both extremely cautious and optimistic, especially when I heard that Disney had plans to start on the Star Wars sequels. There was also the repercussions to think about when it came to the comic books, novels, video games, and the TV series.
Well, we'll talk about the Star Wars sequels later on but it's good to know this idea didn't scare you like it did others.
Jor: I got the news through the internet and I didn't have doubts about it. I didn't see it as a joke because it all seemed very real. My initial reaction was almost apathy, because I didn't get all the info. Only after knowing about the idea of the sequels my reaction changed. It was a mix of joy, hope, cautiousness, curiosity... well, it was weird. I like the idea of new sequels and Disney behind it doesn't scare me at all, so I wasn't as pessimistic as other people and i was actually getting kinda annoyed by everyone saying it was the END. that was more stressing than the actual news.
Well, the END is pretty much a hyperbole but I see what you mean.
G24: My initial reaction was "fantastic!" Disney's a smart company that wouldn't spend $4 billion to run something as sacred as Star Wars into the ground. Just look at what those Disney dollars did for The Avengers! After reading and re-reading that press release, the more excited I got. Not only are we getting a new trilogy, but even more films too. Boba Fett movie, please! Today, I still feel as confident as ever, and I even did a presentation for my public speaking course on the subject. Very exciting stuff.
I did my senior research project on the Disney/Marvel buyout. How did the presentation go?
G24: Extremely well, actually! It was a persuasive speech on why the buyout was a good thing. I used Inferior Ego's article on the subject as an inspiration, as a matter of fact.
That's cool! We'll talk more on the subject a little later.
JXM: Interesting story, actually. As some of you know, I live on the East Coast of the US and was therefore affected by Sandy (albeit, very mildly, thank God). I did not have Internet access for a few days, so I wasn't up-to-date on... well anything, essentially. Somebody I know informed me that Lucasarts had been bought by Disney, which includes the rights to Star Wars and new movies. I kinda brushed it off as a rumor without giving it any thought. Then I get my Internet back, and I see my inbox flooded with comments and discussion regarding the buyout. I was... shocked, I guess. I'll be honest: first thought that came to mind, and the current thought I still have, is how this could potentially effect the EU. Needless to say, I would be quite perturbed it this were to happen.
Wow! I'm sorry, I hope you and your loved ones are okay.
JXM: Thanks. All my family and friends are perfectly fine. Oddly enough, I never lost electricity - just Internet and TV service.
That's good!So, are you still shocked about the Disney purchase?
JXM: I wouldn't say I'm shocked any longer. I've kind of accepted it as a fact at this point. Now I'm just interested in what comes of it. And fearful - very fearful.
Fear can sometimes be a good thing. That way the bar hasn't been set that high and you can either be greatly surprised or not disappointed at all.
Q4: Lets make a comparison. Back in 2009 Disney bought Marvel Comics, a company we are all well versed in (especially here in Comic Vine), the most popular reaction by fans was: "Disney will ruin Marvel!". Taking that into account, do you think that Disney will ruin Lucasfilm?
G24: That's exactly the reason why I'm not worried about this purchase at all. Ever since Disney bought Marvel, all I've seen are positive things. The Avengers was phenomenal, Earth's Mightiest Heroes was fantastic, etc. The only real thing I wasn't overly found of was Disney XD's Ultimate Spider-Man and their answer to DC Nation (can't remember what the time block was called, at the moment), but those were for the little kids. Every little kid I know loves that stuff. As a matter of fact, just the other day I was at the mall doing some Christmas shopping, and I saw a whole bunch of Marvel merchandise at the Disney Store. It's amazing! I can buy a Goofy mug and a Captain America shirt at the same store! Pretty soon, I'll be able to buy a Princess Leia t-shirt or an ewok plushie for my niece from there next Christmas, and it'll be great.
I am picturing that. Just when you thought the Disney Store couldn't get any cooler!
Jor: As Gambit said, that's one of the reasons I'm confident. Everyone was freaking out, there were parodies everywhere... We have a saying among historians here which goes something like this: History doesn't repeat itself but it does rhyme. And that is the case here. All that happened during the news of the Disney buy of Marvel is happening again with Lucasfilm, mainly Star Wars. All types of jokes. Funny thing is that after all that Marvel actually got better in a lot of departments and survived bankrupcy. When Lucasfilm and all it's properties get a nice boost from this everyone will look back and see how unnecessary it was to be worried, specially when we already saw what Disney does with big properties under it's wing.
JXM: Interesting that you mention that, Ironically, after that, Marvel was pumping out more movies and became better than ever... that said, their comics suck. Now I don't know if that's just a coincidence or not, but consider if that same thing is mirrored with Lucasarts: good movies, crap comics/books. I would be very, very unhappy.
If Marvel were to publish Star Wars comics, do you think that they would do a bad job with them?
Duo: To be honest, I kind of ignored when Disney bought Marvel. Mostly because, I didn't think it would affect them negatively. Both parties came out better on the long run. I expect Lucasfilms to do the same.
Gambit1024, don't get me started on Ultimate Spider-Man. Yeah, it's great for the younger audience, but I was expecting the series to be something for everyone. I still miss Spectacular Spider-Man.
I miss SSM too! I tried watching Ultimate but I just can't! I'm flat out admiting it... I didn't like it!!!!
G24: Unfortunately that's exclusively for the kiddies. Cool for them, but I'd love something similar to Spectacular. When they were announcing the bigger details at last year's NYCC, they were selling the show like it was gonna be the be all-end all of Spidey cartoons. What we got was... well... not that.
Duo: When I first heard about the new Spider-Man series, I assumed it was going to be based on the Ultimate Universe, but looking at it, it's like a mixture of both the mainstream, the Ultimate Universe, and some new material.
Q5: There are a few ideas about what Disneymightdo for Star Wars, before we talk about that, what do you think that the company can do for Lucasfilm's other properties? (i.e. Indiana Jones)
G24: Personally, I'd love to see an Indiana Jones animated series. That, or maybe even some comics. Disney's got Marvel, so that's definitely not too far off, I reckon. I understand that Lucasfilm also owns partial rights to the Muppets, but I'm not sure to what extent. I know my sisters adored the Muppet Babies growing up, and that's a blu-ray purchase I totally wouldn't regret.
How would an Indiana Jones animated series work? Like the old The Mummy TAS? Also, I thought the Muppets were Disney's property already...
G24: I'm not familiar with the Mummy TAS, but I was thinking of something along the lines of Batman: TAS, but with Indy. Just a new adventure every episode, ya know? As far as the Muppet stuff goes, yes, Disney owned pretty much all of it, but I'm almost positive that Lucasfilm also had a piece of it that prevented the release of Muppet Babies on DVD/Blu-Ray.
Jor: I don't really like Shi Labeouf (?) or whatever his name is, but I'd like some new Indy films, done right, and with a new Indy. I think Ford is getting a bit old and with the new gifts into the genre like Uncharted etc... there really is a big angle that could be reworked with the whole Indy Jones franchise. A game would be fun too. I'm not too sure about comics though, I don't see myself reading them.
I agree. Shia (whatever) is terrible.
JXM: *shrug* Honestly, I don't really care. I'm not an Indy fan. And considering the last movie, Indy has nowhere to go but up now.
Duo: Like everyone else commented, Indiana Jones could get a reboot, or a new TV series. I remember seeing an Indiana Jones TV series when I was young (-er (I'm not that old)) about the adventures he had growing up as a kid.
Hey, we could see another Howard the Duck movie! Am I right?
Q6: Now that we've covered the "lesser" pieces of Lucasfilm, what do you think Disney should do with the Star Wars franchise?
G24: I want my Boba Fett movie. It's something I've wanted for a while now. I don't care how it's done, but I want it. For real, though, I don't think Disney should just rush into this thing head-first. They've got to ease into a franchise this huge with the utmost of care. Of course, I have no doubts that Disney already knows this, though. The sky is the limit, as far as what the possibilities are. Not only do you have the new movie possibilities, you've also got access to TV, the theme parks, cartoons, etc. I would be interested to see how they'd handle the comic books, though. I know Dark Horse has been doing all things Star Wars since forever. Would they be taken over by Marvel seeing as how Disney's got that?
Jor: A new trilogy. Either after the original one, or set in another totally different time, maybe follow some arcs from the EU. A solo movie focused on a character, like Boba or Han, or something that I would love to see QUI GON JINN!!!!! I would freaking love a movie focused on him, because he is like my favorite SW character. On the comics department, I think they should let Dark Horse finish their run and maybe even let them continue, but Disney definitally needs to give some boost to expand a bit more on the EU not only in comics but in games and animated series too, they can't stop what has been done. They should however try to "clean the house", not to mess up with having a bunch of different media on the same universe. But yeah, what I mainly want is a Qui Gon Jinn solo movie and more games.
JXM: I want the EU to be safe at all costs. To do this, they can do one of two things:
Make adaptations of EU properties (Thrawn Trilogy, Darth Bane trilogy, NJO, Dark Empire, etc.)
Ignore the EU, but make their movies a completely separate section of canon so as not to interfere with the EU.
That's really all I want.
Duo: I'm with JediXMan. That's one of the reasons why I was cautious about the buyout. The Expanded Universe has grown so much, I don't see how you could ignore it. Making adaptations of the novels, or comic books would be the reasonable option. But then again, they're Star Wars fans out there who only consider the movies canon.
And it's most likely that Star Wars: The Clone Wars will be part of Disney XD (?). I was reading an article that The next season (6th) is in production. I wouldn't be too bothered by the network change since there's a strong possibly that season six will be the final season, but I would be concerned if Disney milked out the series by having more seasons.
I would also like, if possible, for Dark Horse to keep publishing the comics.
JXM:@Duo_forbidden Oh definitely. I want Dark Horse to remain in charge of the comics. They're doing fine, I don't see the point in changing.
Q7: There are a few rumors and hypothesis going around as to what the Star Wars movies shall be like from now on. The biggest one (something some of you already mentioned) is that there is a possibilty that ther might be multiple SW movies in a year, the same way that Marvel Entertainment has established its Avengers Movie Universe. What do you think of this idea? (Elaborate)
G24: I think it's an exciting idea. I love movies, I love the Star Wars characters, and I love that Lucas won't be writing/directing them. What's not to love? The more exposure of these characters, the better. I'm not too familiar with the extended universe, but I'd love to see and learn about them through movies, if that's what the plan is. Then there's the possibility of my dude Boba Fett getting a movie, and I get goosebumps just thinking about it. So yeah, overall, it's a great idea, and I'd love to see where things will go from here.
Duo: See, I wouldn't mind like Gambit and Jorgevy suggested, standalone movies featuring other Star Wars characters like Boba Fett, Chewbacca, Darth Maul, Yoda, and even other characters. For some characters, it can be a completely new story without worrying about continuity issues. That would make them even more popular, and give others a chance to look into the Expanded Universe. Again, seeing adaptations from the comics and novels would be great. Prequels like Knights of the Old Republic, not the game mind you, (that too is could also be a possibly), but the comic series could be adapted somehow either as a movie or a TV series.
As for the next trilogy, that's still an unknown.
Jor: I kinda like the idea that they could build on the universe, with several movies, without exactly making them direct sequels, then maybe make on that puts together some stuff from those previous movies (close to Avengers style, but obviously not the same). I think that could really work, and it would be interesting to see other sides to an otherwise slightly linear plot. Like, wars have severals fronts, focusing on different fronts with a solo movie for each, and then for each main character could be very amusing.
I thought about something like, developing smalller arcs in the solo movies (like the Avengers) and then get them together in a battle context, but unlike the Avengers, don't bring everything together, just some of the characters on the other movies. Basically, an expanded universe, very flexible and mobile where characters can go from one movie to the other without having to stick in one of them or to get together for a "team" film. It totally works with super heroes but with Star Wars, it would need a few changes.
I like this idea. Like other Jedi's point of view while Order 66 was carried out during the third/sixth movie or during the Clone Wars, right?
JXM: I hope they do the series based on the New Republic era leading into the NJO era. So essentially: Thrawn Trilogy, Dark Empire, Yuuzhan Vong, etc. I know it's probably not going to happen, but I want the EU to be firmly established as canon.
Q8: What about live-action television series? Marvel/Disney is producing a SHIELD tv show, is there a future for a SW-themed series? If you think so, what should it be about?
G24: From what I understand, there were talks of doing something like that for a little while, but they never went forth with it because it would've been too expensive. At least with SHIELD, you can get away with a limited budget, especially since there aren't any plans of recurring superheroes set to appear in it. I'd watch a live-action TV series, but I'm not exactly asking for it either. Honestly, since I know very little of the EU, it's difficult for me to even think what a series like that would even be about. Personally, I think it'd be safe to stick with the cartoons for now.
Jor: when you asked that I immediatly thought of Firefly. Joss Whedon, avengers, disney, star wars = firefly came to my mind. if it was something like that, a live action show would be very cool to explore, maybe even put it in the same universe as the big screen movies and live action. But otherwise, as in, without Whedon or someone with a similar view, or something very brand focused (which are probably gonna be the cases if they come up with a SW live action series because it's such a big franchise name and money maker), I don't really need to see a SW tv series. If done right it could be AMAZING, but it sounds toooooooo hard, and with little chance of return
(although the idea to follow Han and Chewie through their periples before ep 4 could be a really good concept for a show, like Sora said)
Duo: Last I heard, Star Wars: Underworld was the title for the live action series, and it was supposed to take place between Episode III and IV. The idea of a live action TV series is ambitious, and the way I see it could be done is each season could be set in either a different era, something similar to American Horror Story (for those who don't know, The first season was set in the present and the second season is set in the 60s). Gambit is right, a live action TV series would be too expensive to do, but I'd most likely watch it.
JXM: I always liked the idea of a live action Star Wars series. But it all depends on the era they choose.
How 'bout a new animated series (separate from Clone Wars)? One that is made by Disney.
Duo: That's a good question. Knowing Disney, an animated series would most likely be suited for the younger audience, and go on a more comedic route, something that probably involve C-3PO and R2-D2 lol. I wouldn't be too opposed on that idea.
I just imagined an animated comedy short staring C-3PO and R2D2 like the ones that play before Pixar movies. Also, one starring Jar Jar Binks.
Jor: R2D2 and C3PO having animated adventures sounds awesome!!!!!!! Id love to watch some animation involving those two, specially R2D2.
Duo: My main concern would be the amount of violence. Disney let it slide from time to time, but most of the time, they don't deal with death. Then again, Disney XD got rights to show Naruto Shippuden, and while it wasn't fully uncut, they still showed people dying. So, if Disney decides to go that route, I would want it to have a realistic approach, like Star Wars: The Clone Wars or Star Wars: Clone Wars (2003 series).
Speaking of which, I would love to see Genndy Tartakovsky to do another Star Wars animated series. His work with Clone Wars was awesome.
G24: That'd be awesome. Since Clone Wars will most definitely be coming to an end soon, I can see Disney doing something very similar to it. Not the actual concept of the Clone Wars, but something like that. Maybe a Han and Chewie show? That's be so cool.
Oh! The adventures of Han and Chewie before Star Wars IV. I would love to see that... That could actually be a good premise for a live-action show. It wouldn't have to be big budget on CGi since we are focusing on non-Jedi. Although, it might be a lot of work for the make-up people.
Duo: A Han and Chewie show would be great! And it doesn't necessarily have to always take place between Episode III and IV. They could also incorporate adventures from between IV and V.
Jor: yeah, that is an example of something i'd like to see and could be very entertaining to play with - several POV's
Q9: It's been talked about a bit already but, what if Marvel were to take over all Star Wars comics from Dark Horse? What would you or wouldn't you want to see? (Of course, this does not mean that the SW universe will collide with Marvel's. That would be dumb!)
JXM: I'm pretty sure that's been confirmed now. I am unhappy; I liked the way Dark Horse was doing the Star Wars comics. This would also signify the essential death of Dark Horse Comics. I would be curious to see how Marvel handles it, but as long as they do so with as much respect to the canon as possible.
What of the series that DH is publishing now? Should Marvel pick them up or start from scratch?
JXM: I assume that DH will wrap up the current titles and Marvel will start anew, or continue with the same story lines after the current arcs.
G24: Eh. I don't read the Dark Horse stuff anyway, so it really has no effect on me either way. Hopefully the Marvel Universe and Star Wars Universe never mix. That's basically all I got. As for what I'd actually read? I don't know... Boba Fett ongoing? Boba Fett ongoing.
Duo: Yeah, there's rumors that Marvel will acquire the rights to Star Wars comics by 2014-2015. What a lot of people don't know is that Marvel did have the rights to Star Wars comics when Star Wars started out, then Dark Horse got the rights. The fears I have for Marvel getting the rights back are:
1: They completely erase the EU and "reboot" it
2: They completely erase the EU and "reboot" it with some kind of an event
3: Crossovers with the Marvel Universe (if it's for the younger audience, that's fine)
Now, my fears may sound ridiculous, but take a look at DC's New 52, and Marvel's NOW!. Not all of the reception is negative, but not all of it is positive either. I just think it would be a waste if Marvel decides to scrap over 20 years of history.
JXM: I just want it to remain faithful to the EU. Really, that's my major concern. Unlike with the prequels, which was somewhatuncharted territory, this is going to be in uncomfortably close proximity to an era that I, personally, enjoy. But given that Lucas won't have any active role in this saga, I expect at least decent writers and directors - I doubt Disney spent 4 billion just to let it flop. They will try.
I think it's time for us to go "to infinity and beyond" and end this discussion but before we finish I just need to you to answer one last question... Q10: Now that it's been confirmed that J.J. Abrams is directing this third Star Wars trilogy, what do you think will be the general opinion of this third trilogy?
JXM: I'm... conflicted. Again, for me, the major concern is maintaining the integrity of the EU. From what I understand, Abrams is not a Trek fan, but he is a Star Wars fan. Therefore, I'm not really going to use his Star Trek movie as a basis for how he'll do Star Wars. If he's a fan, he likely has a personal stake in the project. Hopefully, he'll do it well. I really hope he can pull it off.
Jor: well if JediXMan says JJ is a fan, then that kinda calms me down, because Im not a JJ fan. not as a producer and not really as a director. But Im not a Star Trek fan either so.... eh, can't go by that. My friends do like JJ and they think he will do pretty good, but I think, just like JediXMan said, that the main thing is keeping the integrity. if that is achieved, then half of it is done. Im not that much concerned with who is directing as I am with who is doing the script and the actors involved
Duo: Two words: LENS FLARE.
But really, I think J. J. Abrams is a great director. I like the majority of his works. I'm not a huge Star Trek fan, but I did enjoy his take on the 2009 movie. My concern however, is the script. Where will the new trilogy take place?
As for the general audience, like JediXman said, I think their mindset will be conflicted, especially for those who are just a fan of just one franchise. I'm pretty sure some are saying it's blasphemy. He's directed Star Trek so, there will be that sense of doubt of if he's giving his all for both franchises. But I didn't realize that Abrams was more a fan of Star Wars than Star Trek.
Jor: What I've heard Duo, is that he is gonna leave Star Trek behind to get mainly focused on Star Wars now, but I dont know if that's true. since Im not a Trekkie, if he does end up being a good call for SW then I'd definitally prefer that
Duo: Well, there's even more news that the 3D movies have been put on hold in order to put more time in for the new trilogy. I didn't really care much about the 3D project anyway, so that's fine by me if they put more effort for Episode VII.
Jor: I agree. Episode VII has to go right and the 3D can wait
G24: Couldn't be happier. As a matter of fact, I feel that he's the ideal choice. He did a stunning job with bringing Star Trek back from the dead, and the fact that he's a Star Wars fan is all for the better. I think a fan is the kind of guy you want to breathe new life in an otherwise stale movie franchise. No offense, of course. I'm referring to the more recent movies.
Alright guys, thanks for participating. Please say your goodbyes and exit the Millennium Falcon to your right. Thank you and come again.
Jor: Thanks for keeping with us, hope you had as much fun reading as we had discussing! Cya next time!
G24: A pleasure to be here, thanks for the read, and I'll see you on the forums. Don't do drugs!
JXM: T'was an an honor to be here. I look forward to the net discussion, whatever that may be.
Duo: Thanks for having me! Hope to be part of another discussion in the future! Live long and prosper....wait, that's not right...
Special thanks to The Poet who did an amazing job editing this! 'Till next time, may the force be with you all.
I dreamt something really odd two nights ago and I wanted to share it with all of you. Best way to describe it is: Inception meets The Dark Knight Rises meets Star Wars meets... a ton of other stuff!
At the moment I am wearing a cast on my right leg (Right), I sprained my ankle pretty bad a month ago, and in my dream some dude that resembles Don Cheadle came to my room and checked my leg. He told me: "When you wake up you'll be able to walk normally again". Then he left. In my dream I went to sleep and woke up the next day to find that my leg was fine. So, for the first time in a month I put on a shoe and just then a co-worker of mine rushes in to tell me my roommate is waiting for me in the car. I rush down to meet my roommate and he drives me to what seems to be New York City. I guess there must be some kind of black hole that takes people from Mexico City to NYC and back.
Anyways, my roommate drives up to this HUGE bank where he hands me a taser and tells me to go in. I obey and walk inside. There, I excuse myself through a sea of people (I guess it was like a lobby) and reach airport-like metal detectors. Just as I am about to go through armed men in white full-body armor start coming through the metal detectors opposite of me and block my way in. I did question the fact that "real" Stormtroopers were in the bank, but brushed it off quickly. I turn around to see the sea of people on the ground with their hands on their heads. The only man standing was the guy holding everybody hostage. He was wearing a luchador-type mask and at the moment I couldn't make out who he was beacuse I was looking at him from behind. I slowly got closer and realized it was Mr. Tom Hardy in the dream-world-flesh, in other words Bane.
I was behing the Batman villain and just as I realized who he was I reached for the taser my roommate gave me. Then a moment of prudence struck me... I couldn't take Bane on with a taser and a thousand Stormtroopers!!! I put the taser back and allowed myself be pushed toward the rest of the hostages. Then I pulled out a netbook from the sudden backpack that appeared on my back and emailed my roommate who was waiting outside: "Stuck in bank. Hostage to Bane." Then the bank's intercom system filled the room with music. A song that sounded familiar... it was my roommate's phone's alarm! Then took a deep breath and woke up.
I think this is the first time I ever have such a geeky dream. Well, one that I can remember fully. I find it strange that the dream incorporated stuff from TDKR and SW since I am not that big a fan of either franchise. I like them, but not to be dreaming about it. Plus, the co-worker that suddendly arrived is someone I don't frequent with that much. Either way, hope you had fun reading about my adventure in dream-world.
Hello Viners, welcome back to the semi-regular Roundtable User Discussion! A couple of CV users virtually met up to talk comic books and other comic-related topics. That conversation has been posted here for you guys to see, read and enjoy. After the "enjoy" step of this process, be sure to comment below where you can submit your own opinions after reading ours. Even if you disagree with us, we like comments. Also, go back and read our past conversations (Here) and share your thoughts...
Let's get started! I am your friendly nehiborhood Mod called sora_thekey and I shall be the host of this RT. With me are some of the users you all know and love (to hate, in some cases). Please welcome back: Blood1991 (B91), Trodorne (Tro) and EdwardWindsor (Lazy).
(Editor's Note: Originally user SC was going to participate along but because of technical difficulties he wasn't able to participate. Hopefully he'll come back and respond in the comment section later on.)
Lazy: Hi I am Edward Windsor, the prince of power, king of the cops etc. You can call me Lazy.
Tro: I'm Trodorne and I won't try to be funny for this.
B91: Aloha. I'm Blood1991. The ironically named keeper of peace in many forums.
Nice to be able to talk to you all once again... Lets begin this discussion with a question I always begin with: hat comics have you read, what comic book movies or TV series have you watched and what comic merch have you bought recently?
I have been fanatically watching Walking Dead every week with my breakfast on Monday mornings; it's one of my fave shows ever. Loves me some zombie slaying with my tea and cereal. As for films, I brought the Avengers Blu-Ray box set awhile back so I have watched them all recently except Captain America since he's my least favorite. Skipped that and watched Prometheus instead.
Had to go heavy this week 'cause I will be cutting down on buying during the holiday season. I ended up using my discount. Sucks that Edgar Rice Burroughs is suing Dynamite, I love this Warlord of Mars series and Lord of the Jungle is good too. New Guardians' current artist is not really a welcome change to the series same as losing Dan Duncan to the Ninja Turtles ongoing. Buffy has been good but feels like it's not contributing much in terms of the plot, while Spike and Angel and Faith seem to be putting out more in terms of merging the plot line. I had to pick up this issue of Star Trek as well as we get the new adaptation of the Mirror Mirror episode from the original series. YAY!. With Married Life of Archie there are two things I want to mention: 1) I want to see how well Reggie and Betty's reality show does and 2) it's great to see Jughead actually growing up more so than Archie just because he has his first child on the way. but yeah that is all I got to say on what I've been reading.... so far.
I Recently Bought: The Outback era X-Men Minimates (Left).
I'm watching the Walking Dead obsessively, EMH is a favorite, and I am eagerly awaiting the Return of DC Nation.
Phew! You guys have been BUSY! Good to know I'm surrounded by geeks!
Today we are hear to talk about AvX and the massive effect this had. The effect being called Marvel NOW! First we will talk about AvX...
Q1: What is your overall reaction to the full Marvel event?
B91: Does one continuous sigh count as an answer? The characterization especially the "X-Men" was all over the place, and the story failed to give me any incentive as to why many of the participants in this event were really engaged in this conflict.
Lazy: I read a lot of this event and I have to say it seemed more than a little patchy in places. Certain things that seemed a little out of character for the Phoenix Five which was okay but still incredibly frustrating to read.
Land whales anyone? That scene annoyed me especially, since when was Colossus so stupid? Sure he had part of the phoenix in him but as far as I can remember it has never made anyone dumber. I also felt it was weird having a connection between the source of Iron Fist's power and the Phoenix. Yes it was an interesting addition, but it seems to me all they really did was say it's the yin to the Phoenix's yang and didn't go much further with it. Did I miss something?
Tro: Not really miss anything I thought it was interesting they went the route of the Chinese zodiac in which I might be giving Marvel too much credit for lol. Still the Phoenix even in Chinese zodiac was more of a neutral entity that did represent destruction and rebirth. I can see why Marvel wanted to use more of lesser known characters and make them more significant. Even though Luke Cage and Iron Fist were ALWAYS bad ass.
To be honest, I still don't get that myself. If the Iron Fist is the yin to the Phoenix yang, did Jean Grey have some sort of connection to the Iron Fists too?
Lazy: That's kind of the problem for me. If there is this connection between the two forces why hasn't in been mentioned before. It kind of feels forced and shoehorned into the universe. You would think that the Phoenix Force itself would be aware of its opposite force, and it's not like whomever is wielding the Phoenix has even gone unspoken about its power and how nothing can stand in its way. Far as I can tell they basically just wanted something unearthly to combat the Phoenix Five with and short of Strange magicking something up, using the source of Iron Fists power was the best they could come up with.
The connection between the two and Wanda's frankly crazy level of power increase where two of the things that bugged me most really since even as a reality-warper shes fighting the Phoenix Force (all of it, I assume, at one point) even a small portion of it should beat her its not like Wanda's a universal scale-warper or anything.
Tro: Overall I thought the event was very "Meh" to sub par. If we look at the sales history of the event the first four issues had more prints than anything else of that run. So maybe, just maybe they did not need to convolute the plot and just have a singular focus. All other character stories could be fleshed out more in the individual issues. The problem with it being they were so busy at trying to establish that Cyclops was going to be this new universe's villain that it seemed they tossed out the original story they were going to work with. There was one way they could have pulled off the entire event that would have made the entire build up with X-Sanction and the other stories make more sense rather than just CHEAP gimmicks thrown out by Marvel. So all in all, a lot of this event was poorly executed and not very thought out.
It was originally sold as a Civil War between Avengers and X-Men but it ended up being the Phoenix Five vs the Marvel Universe. What way could they have pulled off the entire event?
Tro: Had they actually focused on the idea of the Avengers being paranoid of what the Phoenix would do. Just prolong the battles and have Hope go on this soul searching mission to try and find ways to understand this Phoenix and train herself to be prepared for it. Which would have brought us to K'un Lun, and Scarlet Witch coming up with a plan to use the Phoenix Force.
In the end they would have gotten to have told their story as well as showcase the individual fights. A lot of the changes they wanted to do were forced based on bad plot holes.
B91: Not quite the way I would go about it, but I agree the randomness of a lot of what happened in AVX was a turn off and has been done so in a lot of Marvel events. By the last issue I didn't feel like this was game changing it was just a rag they used to clean up their mess with. I don't think an event that was necessary to do defy ever character in it.
Q2: Lets get into specifics now. The main book had an approximate of 10 different artists and writers Was the difference in art, writing and even panel distribution a turn off?
B91: Yes and No. Yes, because I am not a fan of all ten of these artist and writers and it made the characters behave differently from issue to issue which was confusing at times. Plus some of the artist on AVX should not be making event art. No because I am a fan of some of the writers and artist that were involved. I love Coipel's art so even though it took quite a few issues seeing him on the event was nice.
The Coipel issues were the best issues... Visually.
Tro: Yes, one of the main issues I have with this is that changing artists and ESPECIALLY writers screwing up with the story that you are trying to tell. It's like Marvel said: "Okay just to change things up I want you to write part one of this story, you write part two, but keep it somewhat close to what happened in part one. And part 3... well just make it an epic ending."
I'm not a fan of John Romita Jr's art. So while the first two issues were good for this series the art really threw me off and made it hard to fully enjoy it. I'm not saying his art is bad, just saying that for this type of story his art is not needed for it.
I agree with you there. If it wasn't because the artist duties was going to change I would've dropped the book on issue one. I simply can't take Romita Jr's art!
Q3: I now want specifics. Give one thing that you absolutely hated about AvX and one thing you loved. Why?
Lazy: The hypercritical stance of the Avengers especially them having Wanda among them when she is responsible for a mutant genocide and then going crazy at Cyclops when Namor was the one who caused the most damage of the Phoenix Five when he attacked Wakanda.
I liked that they depowered the Phoenix Five. Didn't like how it was done but I liked that it happened. Lol.
B91: I hated how the X-Men were vilified in the beginning and then the Avengers at the end. Neither sides' argument was very strong, and both looked like jerks at some point or another.
I am loving the new atmosphere of Marvel Now! and that more characters are shining coming out of this. I would be full of crap if I wasn't happy to see Hawkeye with his own series, Storm being a headlining X-Man again, and She-Hulk being used. Plus a lot of the new series coming out are way better then what Marvel was dishing out.
Are you saying that there was nothing in the actual event that you liked? Just the outcomes?
B91: Well I suppose Hawkeye shooting Phoenix Emma was pretty awesome.
Tro: Just one?... Hmmm. That is a tough one, there were a lot of plot holes and aspects of this story to really pick just one. From unreasonable character progressions to changing the story not even half-way through, and the useless back material for this supposed big event. So to pick one would be hard as it would open a flood gate of problems with this series.
No good things to say about the event?
Tro: Its not that I don't have good things to say but when Marvel has been putting out event after event after event with tons of tie ins. while yes its about making money in the end. To me its not treating the reader with any respect.
When you say plot holes, do you mean things like the Iron Fist/Phoenix relationship that we mentioned earlier?
Tro: There was the thing with X-Sanction where Cable used items in the future that the Avengers used on Rogue's X-Men who obviously tried to stand against them. Why was none of that stuff used? Where was the event that would have determined if Hope lived or died before the Phoenix showed up? Why is it in Generation Hope that the other kids were told that they were important in the events of the Phoenix Force and they were to help Hope? Why was a crucial piece of K'un Lun history not told to Iron Fist? Why was he not summoned in the first place about this sort of matter and prepared for its arrival? If Scarlet Witch realized that her powers were not strong enough at the time to restore mutants, why did she not seek out Hope to tell her of a plan to borrow her powers and amplify it with the Phoenix Force? Why didn't Cyclops use Scarlet Witch even though he knew she was back and knew the Phoenix was coming? Why does saying "No more Phoenix." have a fine print to bring back mutants? The list goes on with this. Logical plot holes that could have been filled in rather than just trying to make quota and rush an event out.
Lazy: The problem for me is whilst it's interesting that they tried to tie the Phoenix Force to another entity it just doesn't seem to fit for me. I applaud Marvel for trying to bring in Iron Fist to the Pheonix mythos, it just feels like surely they would know of the connection along time ago and that Iron Fist should be aware of it.
B91: Trying to bring the Avengers into a problem that has always been the X-Men's was an issue to begin with. The Phoenix has always been a threat and now the Avengers want to do something about it? The only reason they had to be involved was Iron Man's little past excursion (Left).
Lazy: Exactly. The Phoenix Force can only be hosted by a mutant and previously only the X-Men have dealt with it. Avengers shouldn't really be policing mutants, that's what the X-Men are for. If they generally wanted to minimize mutant threats why weren't they involved with the various Magneto attacks or Sinister and Apocalypse.
That's something that is being dealt in the Uncanny Avengers book.
B91: If they had built up this idea of an Uncanny Avengers beforehand, making the X-Men and Avengers closer, or even farther apart, would have worked better. Even an off-hand comment from Captain America questioning Cyclops's motives as a leader, but all that just randomly showed up. I agree that putting the fate of the planet on the shoulders of a future savior was reckless on the X-Men's part, but no one even tried to talk it through. So much of the event felt forced and unnatural that I think it just lost credibility and made everyone involved look childish or like sheep who can't make up their own minds.
Lazy: Agreed it seemed forced/rushed or totally out of character in places. Cap telling Cyke off when he has never butted in on mutant affairs before seemed like a weird move and that was early on. It just went further from there.
Q3.5: On whose side where you on during AvX? The Avengers or the X-Men's side? Why?
Lazy: I was pro X-Men since as I mentioned before they police their own and Captain America comes across a little weird entering mutant politics this late in the game.
B91: Picking sides was difficult between The Avengers (the people who could care less for mutants unless someone non-mutant was hurt) or the X-Men (who were risking every person on the planet on a hunch). I didn't have a real moral stake in who one I just wanted it to be over. Though by the time The X-Men were Phoenixed I was on the Avengers side.
Tro: X-men all the way. Cyclops only became a favorite character of mine when Joss started writing him back in Astonishing X-Men. I was on the side of the X-Men more so, when Captain America would not trust the judgement of Cyclops or even tried to talk to him about his plans. I know time was of the essence , but still. Captain America did **** for the mutants before his death and after, and he expect 100% loyalty. Sorry Cap, but respect is a two-way street.
Q4: Now let's talk Marvel NOW!. The ending of AvX resonated the end of the story in House of M. "No More Mutants" turned into "No More Phoenix". Do you think this is something that will be carried over to Marvel NOW! Or just as simple "The End" to the story?
Lazy: Wanda has never been shown to be able to warp multiple realities at once far as I can remember so at the very most she could have nerfed the 616 Phoenix a little but it's a multiversal power source so I can say for certain its not dead its just on the back burner somewhere till its used again. Who knows new Jean (All-New X-Men) may have it come around again.
B91: With teen Jean running around the Phoenix is bound to come up again in little ways, or at least talked about. We also have Wanda working with X-Men and tension is bound to exist. As far as a major plot I think the Phoenix is going to be a dormant plot.
But would you say that the "Mutants are Engendered Species" plot is over for good now?
B91: Well, that is kinda the BIG plot line of Marvel Now!. I don't think them being endangered is far from over. I would hope that Cyclops has a reason for attacking people in the streets for one, and we have only been introduced to 6 "if I counted correctly" new mutants one of which is dead.
Tro: Well, I figured any of us readers of House of M back in the old days (not really but early 2000's) knew this was coming as a moment of redemption for Scarlet Witch as well as fulfill the destiny of Hope. In terms, this is no way like Flashpoint where fall out from this event may be brought up later. One thing good that came out of this was the return of the mutant population. Lets be honest. since House of M with the loss of mutant powers you stagnate the existing character by not being able to bring in new ones.
Like Scott's transformation to Magneto with a visor?
Tro: Yes, all of a sudden Cyclops goes from a man whose first priority was making sure the mutants were safe to now trying to start a revolution. If he wanted to punish those who have done wrong to mutants that is fine, do it in secret like X-Force did. Why all of a sudden would he go public? None of these tactics makes any sense. If he is still shaken up about having dealt with the Phoenix Force that is fine. but going on some stupid crusade when mutants are popping up is just ridiculous. They should have had him as the mutant police. This was an illogical decision on Marvel's part that was not thought out.
Q5: Marvel NOW! begun a few weeks ago. When it was first announced what was your initial reaction?
B91: "Whatever, more BS after event non sense like Shattered Heroes." I am, so far, eating those words and loving it.
Tro: Initial reaction was that I am dropping my Marvel titles.
From what I've seen a lot of this is going in a great direction, at the same time its just Marvel's chance to try to merge more of the movie universe with the comic book universe. Oh and bringing out number ones for the sake of trying to cash in on collectors who somehow think it will be worth something in 20 years... *shakes head "no" while looking at you*
Lazy: "One event ends another begins." That was pretty much it.
The whole "will shake the Marvel universe to its very core" quote that usually comes with each new revel followed quite often by not very much that lives up to it. Kinda expect lack luster events now since they are far to frequent now days to be truly classic and there isn't a long enough period to dwell on them before the next one is in full swing.
Q6: Now that MNOW! has begun, is your opinion on this new "status quo" for Marvel different than your initial reaction?
Lazy: Slightly. I have been reading All-New X-Men which is actually rather good, but with MNOW! starting up we have lost, in my view, Marvel's best ongoing of Uncanny X-Force. I know there is a new roster and new creative team but I just don't care about it. The new team just doesn't have the edge for me and as a result its been cut. Now seems to have put a few titles back on track and made a few new titles sell really well Thor's god butcher arc is great, new Deadpool is pretty good, but whilst they have improved here the loss of the X-Force I truly loved is a big hole in my future reading.
Tro: Yes and no. Yes that there are some interesting titles which are really making me want to check out, and no, because some of the strange "Status Quo" used. Why is Iron Man on so many teams? Why are they cutting back on character titles and focusing more on team titles? Something about this reminds me too much of the 90s.
Tro: Then there's the alcoholic, violent, savage Wolverine is a teacher, and Emma Frost somehow broke out of prison and still wants to fight with Cyclops EVEN though she initially wanted to leave Utopia back in schism but only stayed because of cyclops begging her (another moment poorly executed). I know they are desperate to get this whole new Prof. X and Magneto thing going on but in all reality it makes sense, 'cause Wolverine is not that smart to be a villain. Savage and killer yes but not a smart one.
Well, it has been hinted at that there will be a mole in Cyclops' Uncanny X-Men team. At first I thought that it might be Magneto. He did witness the death of his best friend at the hands of his now leader but his"Villains it is."line in AvX: Consequences made me reconsider. Now your comment makes me think that maybe this "inconsistent" character trait on Emma is foreplay that leads to Emma's betrayal.
Tro: Honestly Emma should have left him after Schism it would have made the most sense. I can understand she loves Scott, but at the same time she does what she wants and the fact that since she is not married to him and she loves to teach. She said the happiest time she had was teaching classes back on Genosha and Westchester.
I agree with you. She should've left him to teach at JGSHL. Now she's screwed.
Tro: Magneto has always been public for his dislike for how humans mistreat mutants but back in the time when he first started there was a HUGE prejudice. Now it's done under radar. Eric does not believe in a line between good an evil he only see's himself as a tool to bring about change for mutant kind.
B91: Yes, I was positive that All-New X-Men was going to be terrible, and I was wrong and happy to say so. We also have female heroes are taking a bigger role in Marvel now as well with an all woman team, two team composed of a majority of women, and two female solo titles. However, I still have quite a few titles to judge before I start getting overly excited about Marvel upping their game.
Q7: Is there a specific Marvel NOW! title which you are NOT interested in?
Lazy: Uncanny X-Force. As I said before not interested in team and I think the new creative team has a huge job in their hands to match what's gone before them in terms of quality. Other than that, Captain America. He's not a favorite of mine though so it's not down to the creative team or anything like that.
I'm actually very interested to see an almost all-girls X-Force team.
Lazy: X-Force's roster just doesn't have the same feel for me. Psylocke and Spiral are fine. The rest, not for me.
I was pretty interested in the plot and setting in the new Captain America book but Romita Jr.'s art drove me away. I really dislike his art style... (Left)
Lazy: I just prefer captain Britain to America. He's got more to him and a much wider 'verse to play with. He's criminally underused in my view. The new Cap book's art does look a little funky and I don't like the mullet either.
B91: Out of the truly new (putting new number on a title and changing writers isn't new) I am least interested in the new Thunderbolts team.
Tro: There is a lot of titles I'm not really interested in, but I'll say Secret Avengers. It's just a reformation of the Illuminati.
Q8: What title interests you the most?
Tro: Thunderbolts, Superior Spider-Man, and maybe X-factor. Wolverine and the X-Men should be more interesting now that there will be more mutant students.
Oh, for a second I forgot about Superior Spider-Man. I'm right now reading Amazing Spider-Man #699!! So excited for that series.
Lazy: All-New X-Men mostly because we may finally see some evolution of Bobby Drake. I love Iceman but it's like he's stuck in a rut. Perhaps seeing his past self will spur him on to bigger and better things. Not to mention the whole return of Jean and conflicts between current and past Cyke.
Everybody is very curious as to how the Present Day X-Men will deal meeting their past selves. Am I the only one wondering what Present-Day Cyclops will think when he sees Past Jean Grey?
Lazy: I am guessing Cyke will have some sort of break down or she will be the one to turn on Cykes head and bring him back to the land of the sane. Though I could be totally wrong on this one.
B91: I disagree with EdwardWindsor. I love the premise of Uncanny X-Force, but Storm and Psylocke are my two favorite X-Women and I do kinda have a soft spot for Puck. Curious if he still has that psycho seeing demons thing going on. I would say I'm most interested in The Defenders/Fearless title. A Lady Liberators title is something I've been wanting for a long time, though I can't say I ever imagined it being a duo of Misty Knight and Valkyrie being the leads.
Lazy: I have nothing against Pyslocke at all. But wasn't Storm one of the people in opposition to the X-Force team not so long ago? I am pretty sure it was her and Beast that kicked up the most fuss at first, hence her being on team seems like its kinda outta character or at the very least inconsistent with previous showings. The whole point of X-Force was the team to be trained or willing killers when the cause is right, I can't remember Storm being an advocate of killing anyone. Sure people love Storm but I just don't think shes X-Force material.
B91: It is risky and I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that he will write her true to the character while putting this team in tough moral situations. A character like Storm isn't going to think on the same line as someone like Spiral, and Psylocke being the center of the title is probably going to represent these conflicting beliefs.
Are we certain that MNOW! X-Force Storm is Main Marvel U Storm? I thought the mohawk meant she was the Astonishing X-Men Storm who kissed Cyclops.
Tro: Yeah. Puck joining the team is strange to me 'cause I never thought Puck as a killer type character. Who knows things can change and it's good to add depth to lesser known characters like these.
Lazy: Either way I still don't care for Storm. Most people I know who read X-Force are seriously turned off by the new direction in fact nine out of the ten people I know who have it on their pull list here in UK are stopping at the end of Remender's run. I think that the new arc would have to have an absolutely killer story to draw fans like myself back in since the roster is just full of people I don't care about, short of Betsy.
B91: In every interview Humphries has stated he isn't going to have his X-Force mirror Remender's. With Remender we knew why this team was assembled and what they were willing to do. With Humphries we have a team that is going to be dealing with some presumably grey situations and we have a cast that see the world in completely different ways. I love it.
Q9: Let's compare MNOW! with DC's New 52. The story aspect of each of these "events" is entirely different from one another, but from a marketing standpoint these are just a bunch of new #1s to get new readers to buy the books. New 52 has been working so far and is about to enter its second year. How successful do you think MNOW! will be compared to N52?
Lazy: I hope it does well. I think the MNOW! issues are having far less confusion with continuity at the moment. They are not being reset and histories not being made unclear like the now infamous seven years of DC's 52 reboot. I think in terms on new readers both work relatively well but NOW! definitely is more friendly to the long term fan since characters haven't disappeared or had drastic history changes so far. I think sales-wise it wont be to different between the two though.
Tro: It is a smart move to relaunch a title just on the sales standpoint by trying to sell number 1s. On the readership standpoint nothing will really change. We will get that initial wave of buyers who want to pick up the first issue and it will die off fast. because we still have the scavenger market out there. "Worry about its value and not about reading." But compared to new 52. Its good to continue on rather than cause confusion like the New 52 did with the whole Batman mythos. 'Cause New 52's failing points was keeping some continuity and restarting everything else. Still, the stories from a lot of the 52 are darker and sometimes not afraid to push the boundaries of their storytelling. While it's good to see Marvel wants to expand more into its galactic characters, but it feels forced as this seems like a push to get people ready for the Guardians of the Galaxy movie.
Q10: When MNOW! was first announced fans automatically compared it to New 52 and believed the worst for the company's future. Now that it has begun, do you think there was reason to worry at all in the first place?
Lazy: Not really since they didn't reboot continuity which is a massive plus for the long term fans. They just gave the creative teams a shuffle and set yet another good jumping on point for new fans. If they did a reset like 52 I would of been majorly annoyed.
Believe me, you wouldn't be the only one.
Tro: Not so much worry as it was just seen as a ploy to copy what DC had done in order to try and boost their sales higher. What works well with DC's New 52 is that they started everything (relatively) all over in the same month. So at least with the main titles that are continuing we all know what issue should be out this month.
B91: I think there is still cause to worry. A lot is still in the mist of changing and I think Marvel is trying to find a happy medium between old fans and 'jump ons' after the Avengers movie. We saw this in Avengers #1 when the movie team was assembled in the beginning. Truthfully I think it is still too soon to tell.
Q11:Marvel NOW! Is still in its genesis state. How do you see this initiative in about a year? Will we see the MNOW! banner dropped on the covers?
B91: Probably. Marvel can't go 6 months without a new banner talking about their shattered universe after so and so, did so and so and it took a 10 issue crossover event to do so and so.
Lazy: To be honest in a year it's hard to tell with Marvel. By then we could have had 3-4 events that could have drastic effects on the NOW! reboot. Especially when some of the events teased so far appear to be rather large ones: Ultron War and the X-Termination to name a few. I hope that the concept is still going though otherwise it would of been a giant waste of time doing so. Give it six months or so and the banner will probably drop away since we'll be in full swing and people wont need the reminder of this setting. So titles will just go back tot heir regular tiles and headers etc.
Tro: It's still new. Since we gave the New 52 a few months to establish itself we can do the same for Marvel NOW!. But initially I think many people are dropping some of the Marvel titles to stick with maybe 1, 2, or sometimes 3. I think this is because we are just going to get event books anyways with most of our favorite characters. Plus with other great independent series like Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Saga, Grimm Fairy Tales, Atomic Robo, and Buffy The Vampire Slayer series, it will be harder for Marvel to hold the attention of people for long especially since all the books are not all coming out at once.
Q12: AvX certaintly resulted in big changes for Marvel and as fans of these stories we hope the best for MNOW! What do you hope for the future of Marvel books? Any thoughts on the Ultron War that is coming up? The roster changes for a lot of these teams?
Lazy: I just hope that the events that seem to be constantly in motion at Marvel serve a purpose and are good. We have seen a lot of lack luster events of late and could use something truly great rather than a new event every couple months that's nearly always forgotten or never looked highly upon within a year. Ultron War does look promising and has a vast scope I hope the story fits the bill and it doesn't end up being another Siege-type story line that people just want it to end.
I will be watching the reviews for the two new X-Force titles and more than likely getting Cable's roster on my pull list. I am also looking forward to seeing if we get to see a Hope/Cable reunion at some point soon and what it could mean to the Marvel mutant 'verse if Hope hangs around.
Tro: In terms of Marvel I'd say we are more fans of the characters than we are of the stories lol. Ultron War was coming for the longest time ever since they relaunched Avengers after Siege. We had that whole timeline that they made that showed the inevitable Ultron War or Age of Ultron. I would imagine it would have to end the same way it did during that Avengers run. Which means he plays dead for a while. The roster for Thunderbolts is interesting. (Not a fan of the art though.) They are taking a chance by changing some line-ups to maybe change the team dynamics a bit. As far as this genesis goes this is a great time to start showcasing or bringing in new heroes and villains.
B91: Marvel NOW! is already fixing many of my issues with Marvel and many of my favorite characters that were wallpaper or in limbo are starring in titles. A couple of years ago I would have laughed if someone said Hawkeye would have his own solo book, or Medusa and She-Hulk would star in a new team book, and I certainly would have looked at you funny if you told me Psylocke was going to lead a team comprised of Storm, Puck, Spiral, and a Lady Fantomex.
In the future I want to see more villains and less hero on hero, limit events to one, ONE every year, and keep giving female heroes time to shine in solo titles.
*Sigh* Another event. They have so much story potential and character development with this post AvX atmosphere that I hate that they are rushing onto the next big thing.
...and on that note I think we should end this. Phew! That was extensive. We sure had a lot to say about this topic.Well, it was amazing having you guys with me NOW! (Get it?) Now it's time to say good bye, please exit through the double doors on your left and say good bye to our audience.
Lazy: Edward Windsor, Lazystudent, Ryan or whatever signing off... Peace.
Tro: This is Trodorne telling you: "If you want your soap opera fix in comics, go read Dark Shadows or Life with Archie. <Takes bags of cash and leaves.>
B91: Fare thee well Roundtable for Blood needth to sign off.
Well, I'm off too. This is sora_thekey thanking you for bearing through all of our complaints. Be sure to comment below and agree and/or play devil's advocate and tell us why you disagree. Buh-bye!
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I am the ever-lovable sora_thekey and I shall be this Roundtable's moderator/host. Which, in my mind, it means I get to play "Good Cop/Bad Cop" with awesome users of one of my favorite websites. Speaking of awesome users please welcome this RT's participants: Superguy009e (Sup), Funrush (Fun), MatKrenz (MK), Strafe Prower (SP) & kfhrfdu_89_76k (KFH).
KFH: Well, hello everyone. I`m KFH, and apparently, I`m an awesome user.
Fun: Hey, I'm Funrush. I don't know how I got here, but whatever man!
Sup: Why Hello!! This is SUPERGUY009e, and yes ladies, I am single!
MK: Why hello there people I'm MatKrenz but you can call me Mat, the guy with the lazy screen name.
SP: Hey guys and gals, it's Strafe here, just chilling out and living life.
Now that we have gotten the pleasantries out of the way, I want to know what have you guys been doing comic book-wise. What comics have you read, what comic book movies or TV series have you watched and what comic merch have you bought recently?
KHF: I`ve been reading Ultimates (Vol. 2), Marjane Satrapis Chicken and Prumes, Manu Larcenets & Jea-Yves Ferris comic collaboration which hasn`t been printed in English, Jimmy Corrigan... and a bunch of stuff I don`t remember. Oh, and also Dr. McNinja in it`s web comic-form!
MK: I've recently been mourning Hellblazer with the recent cancellation news but I've been reading Happy!, X-Factor, Manhattan Projects, The Witcher novels, catching up on Adventure Time and watched the season 3 premiere of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic.
I haven't watched the latest MLP!
Anyways, with all that we establish that you are all comic book geeks. I am too and as geeks we all have stories to tell on how we got into comics. Lets flesh them out...
My introduction to the comic book genre was actually through the 90s Marvel TV series on Saturday morning. One of my earlier memories as a kid was watching Spider-Man and yellow sweatshirted Mary Jane in front of my living room TV while eating Cheerios.
Q1:What was your introduction to this genre before becoming a full-fledged comic book reader/collector?
KHF: I have no idea whatsoever. But, I could mention two experiences that can be counted as close ones.
I was very young. I looked at the TV. The moon was shown in it. Suddenly, there was a bat like plane, posing right in front of it. For a few seconds. Then it landed on water (Well, if you`ve watched Batman (1989)-movie, you know that Batplane didn`t do that. That`s how I remember it though.). Then,for some reason, I couldn`t watch it anymore. Mom didn`t want me to, I presume.
At least, I`m pretty sure that I saw that bit of the movie that day.
Then there was the same animation show that Geo mentioned. I saw Spidey fight against those Spider-slayers for the first time in the series. One of the series highlights. Not just because of my nostalgia toward the episode. The rest of the series...varied between okay and not that good. Mostly.
I had forgotten about the Spider-Slayers!
KHF: How is that possible, Geo?
What? The most I remember about that show is Black Cat and Moribus kissing, Mary Jane turning in Hydro-Woman and the supposed Clone Saga.
KHF: Oh, too bad you don`t remember the Spider-slayers.
SP: 90's Super hero cartoons such as X-Men TAS, Batman TAS, and many other great series. Add that to Nolan's Batman movies and I was hooked on superheros as a kid.
Fun: In Kindergarten or First Grade, a bunch of my friends were playing with Yu-Gi-Oh cards in the back of the classroom. After that, I watched the show, and bought some booster packs.
This makes you sound really young... or makes me sound old. I remember Yu-Gi-Oh cards began to come out while I was in Middle School. Maybe it was before then but I just didn't realize it.
KHF: Hmm. Yu-Gi-Oh. That`s a bit different story, I guess.
Fun: Yep. XD As for American comics, a year back I got my hands on and beat Arkham Asylum. After that, I talked to a friend who was into comics in my tech class. He mentioned the New 52 to me and I looked it up. This was about in December or January of last year. I also watched some of the 60's Batman show when I was younger, and thought it was cool.
Sup: My introduction to superheroes was from a little film that many may heard of, Spider-Man!! After seeing that movie as a kid, my life was completely changed. I was just so impressed by the sacrifices that Peter had made and the consequences for being a hero that one doesn't always see in movies. To this day, Spider-Man is my favorite movie that showcases, to me at least, what true heroism is.
KHF: Oh, I like Spider-man by Raimi and co. Sure, it could`ve been better, but I don`t know if it could`ve been done in any other way.
I think that the first two were amazing. I agree with you there...With that in mind, what did you think of Amazing Spider-Man (the movie)?
Sup: I strongly disliked the Amazing Spider-Man. Simply put, they changed Peter Parker too much for the film and turned him into an unrecognizable character. The film series does have potential though, and I hope they can undo their mistake.
I actually think the opposite. The modern twist on his personality as an outcast was really well done (in my opinion). Plus, my favorite character in comics is Gwen Stacy (thanks to the first comic I ever read, which I already mentioned). Emma Stone killed the part!
Sup: But that is my big problem with the movie, the modern twist. I agree that a big part of Peter is him being an outcast, but that was done in the previous movie as well. This movie seems to make Peter more like an Edward Cullen outcast, someone that chooses to be alone despite their attractiveness and awesome abilities. (note: I do not like twilight). And like Cullen, since he is attractive, he seems to get away with being creepy (taking pictures of Gwen) and openly showing his powers with no one thinking about who he is (Bending the field goal). The movie has potential, but with the ending they had, a lot of work is needed. As for Gwen, I have been more of an MJ fan, but it is good to see Gwen pop in and be loved.
KHF: I haven`t seen the latest Spidey-film yet.
Sup: Despite my problems with the Amazing Spider-Man, I think it has redeeming qualities and the possibility of having a great sequel.
MK: Well seeing as how I was a kid of the late 90's early 2000's the first exposure to comic book stuff came with reruns of the Batman cartoon. I think it was the "Adventures of Batman and Robin" that were playing at the time but im not certain. Also reruns of the 90's Spider-Man and X-Men played constantly so I watched those but with new stuff obviously came Static Shock, Justice League and X-Men Evolution and lots of anime that I had no idea was anime at the time. Those being Dragon Ball Z, Yu-Gi-Oh, One Piece and Naruto.
X-Men: Evolution rocked! I was from this era too.
In my case I was a second generation comic book reader because my dad was one when he was young. He was actually the owner of Fantastic Four #1 and Amazing Fantasy #15, yet my introduction to comic books was not through my dad but by a box I found in my house. We had just moved in to this new house and the previous owner left a box that included two comic books a Batman comic (which I totally forget the name, issue number etc..) and Amazing Spider-Man #399. That was my introduction to Scarlet Spider and the Gwen Stacy Clone.
Q2:What was the first comic book you ever read?
Fun: Eventually, I was in the supermarket and I came across an issue of Shonen Jump with a picture of Yugi on the front. After that, I started to get the manga volumes at my library, and also got into DBZ that way. I've been reading manga ever since.
Manga was your intro to comics. What an interesting turn of events! I actually began to read manga around the same time I began collecting comics, because Tokyopop released the Kingdom Hearts manga. If you play close attention you might notice I'm a big Kingdom Hearts fan.
Fun: I went to a LCS (which I no longer shop at, due to the insanely high prices and bad conditions of the comics) and picked up Snyder and Capullo's Batman #1, which led me into other New 52 titles.
Sup: The first standalone comic I read was The Amazing Spider-Man #484. I did previously buy the Masterworks Amazing Spider-Man book some time prior, but if we are going for standalone comic, #484 was it, and boy was it good. Seeing Doctor Octopus get taken out by another Doctor Octopus is pretty cool, and it also introduced me to one of my favorite artists, John Romita Jr.
You and I just got off on the wrong foot... Not really, but I do strongly dislike Romita Jr.'s art.
Sup: To each his own.
SP: I've read a few comic strips in my life, but my first comic was Batman and the Outsiders #1 by Mike W. Barr. I'm always rooting for the Outsiders and was hooked into reading the rest of the Outsider's comics, which my Uncle owned at the time.
MK: Well seeing as how I've lived in Quebec all my life the comics I believe I read were french comics like Asterix & Obelisk, Lucky Luke, Gaston Lagaffe, Spirou & Fantasio, The Adventures of Tintin and Kid Paddle. Then I started following more serialized stories with Yu-Gi-Oh but stopped after a while but not long after that falling in love with One Piece and still buying it to this day.
I have no idea what these French Comics are. Then again, I'm from Mexico so I guess it would be like me mentioning Memin Pinguin comics.
KHF: I've read 2 albums of Kid Paddle.
It wasn't until years later that I actually bought my first comic book. After reading ASM #399, I investigated who Scarlet Spider and Gwen Stacy were at the library. Then I walked into a book store when I saw the cover of Ultimate Spider-Man #99 on the comic book rack. I recognized Gwen on that cover and bought it. After that I was hooked and began collecting.
Q3:Was there a pivotal moment that made you follow comics?
KHF: Nah. I just started to read more comics. Asterix and Obelix, Tintin, Lucky Luke, Batman, Peanuts, Garfield, Finnish comics you don`t know of, Calvin and Hobbes, almost forgotten comics...I like to read whatever I can get my hands on, and want to read.
Fun: Reading the first few issues of Scott Snyder's Batman, and eventually reading The Killing Joke. That, and the amazing discounts I get at my current LCS.
Sup: Now I have to admit, this next part isn't pretty. While my parents did order me Ultimate Spider-Man comics, I really didn't pick up comics myself after Spider-Man. I, and I can't believe I am going to say this, didn't want to become a stereotypical nerd and become a nerd. (Booo Hiss!!!). It wasn't until Iron Man came out that made be pick up TPBs for Marvel, and the Dark Knight came out and I began to collect Dc Comics. And I finally began to collect individual issues when I discovered that a superhero that I really wanted to read about, ShadowHawk (amazing superhero by the way), was having a new series. After that, I began to collect more and more series until I became the nerd that I am today. (Side note: As I got older, I got glasses and braces and began to read more comics. So much for not becoming a stereotypical nerd...)
So movies were your gateway. That's awesome to hear! I guess the idea that comic book movies can lead people to buying comics is true!
SP: After all the Superhero movies started to pop up (Spider-Man, X-Men, etc.) I was interested in the actual comics.
Sup: I do admit that my family does like a good movie more than the average family, but I don't think that has to do with what movies have done for me. they show quick insights into characters and pull people in. They have great potential to do more with not just superheroes movies, like for example Star Trek. I do think movie properties need better care, and it seems that in the past few years, they have been getting the care they deserve with true fans working behind the properties, instead of clueless schmucks who have no idea who the character is or how they function.
I would say that the genre movies that have been made lately have been more conscious of the quality rather than just using the property to make money. Not in all cases (See Jonah Hex) but for the most part.
MK: I guess a pivotal moment for me was back in '09 when my cousin Nikola came to visit for the summer and I wanted to show around my neighbourhood and I showed him what quickly became my comic book shop. I had came into the shop some previous times but I was taken aback with the selection so I didn't buy anything but with my cousin we took are time and looked around and I saw he had B.P.R.D comics so I bought that and thanks to an online bad comic book review show called Atop the Fourth Wall I started buying back issues of Jaime Reyes Blue Beetle series, 52 and Booster Gold monthly.
Q4: How long have you been a comic book reader for?
KHF: Maybe for...pretty much my entire life. Or twelve years.
Fun: Since around '04 for manga, Jan '12 for American.
Sup: To make it simply, I would say 2008, since Iron Man, but I have been a superhero fan since 2002.
MK: For European comics and manga I guess 2001-2002 but for american comics 2009.
SP: About 6 years give or take one. I take breaks often so I don't tire out on them.
In the years I've read comic books I have been introduced to other comic stuff. Some of them were Comic Vine, forums, fan-fiction, fan-art and reviews on the internet. These are things we are all familiar with. I stumbled upon all of this because of Comic Vine, and I stumbled upon CV because of Google Images when I searched for an X-Men image.
Q5: What was your introduction to this part of Comic-dom?
KHF: I searched for pics of Dr. Doom. I collected pics from the net at the time. I found the site, and there was a massive amount of pics there, of Doom. I downloaded them.
Few days later, I decided to check the site for more pics, of Doom and other characters. Then I found out more about them. And about characters I hadn`t even known of. And comics that I wanted to get. Sometimes I read blogs that some users had written. For years, I continued to do this. Then I decided to join. Too much info?
Fun: Looking up reviews for New 52 comics I was considering picking up. I eventually came across this site, and later, Bleedingcool. I signed up ASAP, and I loved (and still do!) being part of this community.
Sup: Back when I was....indifferent to geekdom, I would just google comic stories and read reviews and synopsis online. I would stumble on this site many times until I finally decided to join the website and become the terrifying, the deadly, the amaaaaazing SUPERGUY0009E!!!
MK: Well I was reading the Daniel Way Deadpool series in 2009 and wanted more Deadpool so I searched for him on Youtube and I found the channel for mgalusic who does a live action Deadpool series. He did a video talking about his experience at Wonder Con and how he was in a video that Tony did asking people about Cable. I followed the link saw the video, look around the website and I signed up and here I am.
SP: I was looking up a comic battle and this place popped up via Google. I was a part of several forums, but decided this was the place for me. Save for a few breaks, I've been consistently coming here since 09'
Heh... You're a long time user then! I thought I'd seen you around.
Q6: Now that your are an established comic book reader because of your "origins" you just told us. Do you think you'll ever drop reading comic books for good?
KHF: Me, dropping comics? I`d like to write "no way", but you can never be sure.
Most likely NO WAY.
Fun: Probably not for a while. If it ever becomes too time or money consuming, I might, but I'm sticking with it for now.
Sup: I hope I don't have to give up comics, but i I really have to , I will. Saying that: COMICS FOREVER!!!
Besides, with the digital age, one can buy more comics for cheaper and never have to give up space for them
MK: I highly doubt im ever going to stop reading comics all together but who knows what might happen in the future.
KFH: Seems like nobody of us wants to say for certain that we`ll stay in comics for good, even if we`d hope so. What does it tell about us? That we are all pessimist? I know I am. At least currently. Or maybe we`re being realists.
MK: Well I think it's because life can and is a cruel mistress and we have no idea what it might hold for us. We never know if we might need money for the future.
SP: I will take breaks every once in a while, but it would have to be drastically bad for me to stop reading comics. I have to much interest and investment to quit now.
KHF: I don`t understand why you take breaks. If you ask me, reading from various genres instead of one, is enough to not get one self bored. And not reading boring comics. But, either way is fine, I suppose.
What provokes these breaks?
SP: A lack of characters that interest me in the big 2 companies. Nothing else really.
KHF: You do know, that there are more than two comic publishers in the world, right? Along with self published comics.
I enjoy a great deal of Image Comics series. I actually read Image Comics and Archaia Comics before reading any DC books.
KHF: I`ve thought about quitting reading DC and Marvel after I`ve finished a few series from them. I know that it sounds like I wanna be part of the whole quitting fad. Maybe I do. I just feel so pissed at how they do business. But, maybe other publishers aren`t better than them. I sure hope not, `cause Image is publishing some sweet series right now.
Who knows, maybe I wont quit after all. I AM weak spirited, after all.
MK: I never have a feeling of quitting Marvel and DC simply because I don't pick up the all important high and mighty books from them unless they are as good as is said by them. I mean I started reading Snyder's Batman with the 0 issue because I know he's good and ill be picking up Hickman's Avengers because I know he's good, but events I stay away from unless I hear good things and I stick with lower tier characters where interesting things are happening. Also I do pick up tons of Image, IDW and Dark Horse because they give some good stories.
KHF: Same here. Okay, I don`t pick up stuff from Image and whatnot (yet), but I do read stuff from other publishers.
Well, I don't think I will quit reading comics, but I might evolve into a permanent TPB reader. On that note, lets leave this conversation about how we got into comics and bid our farewells. Guys, please say good bye to the readers...
SP: Thanks for reading! See ya later!
Fun: That's it for me.
KHF: Farewell, to you, the noble people of Comicvine. I shall return back to the darks treets of existence, to...do stuff.
Sup: Thanks for listening, I'm Superguy0009e, and I think I hear Zordon calling!!
MK: I'm MatKrenz and I'm off to have a conversation with the whore hopper who decided to cancel Hellblazer.
See ya' guys! Thanks for joining me... This is sora_thekey signing off!