" @Lance Uppercut said:

" @FinalStar86 said:

" @Lance Uppercut said:

" @quanchi112 said:

" @manx422: It's all the same Sentry you can't dismiss his feats just because he figured out newer abilities and went a little crazier than normal.  "

Aren't you the guy Rage.Of.Olympus embarrassed on KMC? "

Rage of Olympus has an account on here with the same name, he went to KMC after he realized his Thor fan wankery was doing him no favors here  Quanchi is from KMC and was one of the reasons that site was looked down on and laughed at, "

Is that so? I've never paid much attention to KMC. I'll pop in every once in awhile for a few laughs. I've seen Rage's account on here, and he's also got an account at Marvel.com which is where I've seen him. "

I saw him on KMC, When he was here he said Galactus was an omniversal threat "

" @quanchi112 said:

" @Lance Uppercut: No, I am the guy rage looks up to.  By the way who are you? "

I'm Lance Uppercut. "

" @FinalStar86 said:

" @Lance Uppercut said:

" @quanchi112 said:

" @manx422: It's all the same Sentry you can't dismiss his feats just because he figured out newer abilities and went a little crazier than normal.  "

Aren't you the guy Rage.Of.Olympus embarrassed on KMC? "

Rage of Olympus has an account on here with the same name, he went to KMC after he realized his Thor fan wankery was doing him no favors here  Quanchi is from KMC and was one of the reasons that site was looked down on and laughed at, "

Is that so? I've never paid much attention to KMC. I'll pop in every once in awhile for a few laughs. I've seen Rage's account on here, and he's also got an account at Marvel.com which is where I've seen him. "

Thor wins.

Superman wins due to Thor's lack of speed strength durability, intelligence and fighting skill

" @Lance Uppercut: No, I am the guy rage looks up to.  By the way who are you? "

" @FinalStar86:  We agree here....atleast. "

Thor is a warrior born with thousands of years of combat training yet their are humans that are in their 20-30's that are better fighters then Thor is.  
 
Thor has less fighting skill then Charles Xavier

Thor is an exceptional H2H combatant, it's just that him and Supes have contrasting styles.

" Thor is a warrior born with thousands of years of combat training yet their are humans that are in their 20-30's that are better fighters then Thor is.    Thor has less fighting skill then Charles Xavier "

That's what I know, whenever people argue about this all Thor supporters say is "buh buh bu thor has teh experiencez!!

" That's what I know, whenever people argue about this all Thor supporters say is "buh buh bu thor has teh experiencez!! "

Show Sif combat feats then, Supes owned Batman with a pressure point that froze half of his body even though Bats was possessed, he retained all of his fighting skill and superhuman stats. 
 
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Supes owned Batman with a pressure point that froze half of his body even though Bats was possessed, he retained all of his fighting skill and superhuman stats

Also Supes embarassed elite military Kryptonians solely because of the fighting skills he picked up on Earth
 
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" Show Sif combat feats then, Supes owned Batman with a pressure point that froze half of his body even though Bats was possessed, he retained all of his fighting skill and superhuman stats.    Next "

 
Dude, Charles Xavier is like the best at H2H in the MU. 

" @FinalStar86 said:

" Show Sif combat feats then, Supes owned Batman with a pressure point that froze half of his body even though Bats was possessed, he retained all of his fighting skill and superhuman stats.    Next "

Sif has defeated trolls and fought off Frost Giants. Thor embarrassed her.   Next. "

Listen here everyone, Superman has only one weakness and its kryptonite, and that means everything else is a strength, therefore everyone knows wut really went down.!!

"   
 People that go "But Thor has 999999999 thousants of years in bla bla bla, he is way more skilled at fighting then Sups" have no idea what they are talking about. People with 30 years got way way way way better MA and h2h skills then him : 
 
Cap America. 
Logan 
Batman 
Daredevil 
BP 
cyclops 
Hell even Storm (i hope that rbiji guy is not going to see this) 
etc (this list would go for some pages) 
 
Now perhaps Thor is a idiot or was playing chess with those frost giants or whatever he was fighting for those thousants of years ... Who knows but he sure does NOT have the feats to back it up. 
 
Thor fighting skill and tactics are something like going h2h with Hulk over and over again (even trowing his hammer away) because we all know how very eficient this tactic is ...  "

"Listen here everyone, Superman has only one weakness and its kryptonite, and that means everything else is a strength, therefore everyone knows wut really went down.!! "

" In the intro you stated the superman admits to Thor being probably one of thel strongest opponent he has ever faced I see in the scan him saying the toughest not strongest. A quick suggestion that you change that, based only on the fact that some people "trolls" like to take things like that and run with them. The same way they post half sacns as proof of one thing or the other.  "

@ Hellos 

 
I was using that to show how 30 years >>>>>> Thousands of years in comics. So if in 30 years someone can become way way way way better then Thor in h2h that means that Thor is a complete warrior-idiot and those thousands of years don;t mean creap. 
 
@ WhiteLantern#1

Sa Sups is not the most powerfull Superman. Superman Prime 1 milion and thought armour/robot Superman are. But these 2 would blink RKT Thor out of existence.

" @FinalStar86 said:

" Supes would one shot any version of Wonder Man and Namor, Thor lost to both  Supes wins 10/10. Thor is outclassed physically, isn't as smart as Supes and has less fighting skill then Charles Xavier "

Nice low-ballin there kiddo. I can do that too and you already know that.  
Again proves how much you know. Seriously stop talking about Marvel characters. Thor lifts the Midgrad Serpent which is bigger than the earth by himself. Yet Superman needs help to only PULL the planet. Thor is stronger than Superman, 
Superman is faster than Thor obviously. 
Fighting skill? So, you think a guy who is what? In his 30s-40s who barely has any MA skills can defeat an Asgardian god who is as centuries old and has been trained to be a warrior since birth? Really? Really? Really? REALLY?REALLY? Thor utilizes magic. Superman is vulnerable to magic.  /thread. "

Who is tougher than who? Comic geeks like us can argue and site examples left and right, but in the end, Superman is tougher than Hulk, and ive read comics where Hulk trashes Thor. And we've seen Hulk take on the whole Marvel universe. And Superman is vulnerable to magic, so maybe Thor is not is tough but just has magic on his side (like Captain Marvel "Shazam"). Heck Hercules and Thor are pretty even, yet in the DC Universe Wonder Woman can take Hercules.... So who's to say? The writer of that individual comic? Yeah, hulk and Supes both fluctuate incredibly depending on the writer. Id say Superman and Sentry were more even, and Sentry could take Thor probably. But that's just my 2 cents.

" first about the initial post:
 if all thats true, then i expect everyone who agrees with it to back up that Hulk can be/ is stronger than Superman. I vaguely remember Hulk lifting it on a couple of different occasions (all without Thor's permission), and i very clearly recall Red Hulk using it like it was a toy. Add to that Hulks ability to jump into space and across the country (while Superman is pretty much limited to across states AT MAX) and it seems pretty clear to me that while superman is always a t a set level of strength, Hulk can quickly and often does become much stronger.
 
@Neon_Nemesis said:

Superman holds back as well, if anything Superman holds back more since Thor has killed his enemies before.   Superman saying Thor was the toughest opponent he had ever fought was pure modesty, Superman has tangled with Doomsday, Darkseid, Captain Marvel, Black Adam, Bizzaro, Despero, General Zod, and Mongul are all stronger and tougher then Thor is, 2 of them have superior magic based abilities as well.  "

 The difference between DC and Marvel is that in DC, Magic actually has checks and balances, and in Marvel its just another power. In DC, Magic pwns  scientific/ biological powers, but the actual efficiency of the magic depends on how its utilized. Guys like Marvel and Adam are Infused with the power, but its just to make them stronger. They dont use magic weapons, and their "Magical Lightning" is really just strong lightning that can be called at any moment. I come to this conclusion based off of the fact that magical weapons in the DCU work on superman exactly as their supposed to. truly magical trowing cards cut superman. Truly magical bullets and swords penetrate. Magical shadows can strangle him. But punches thrown by magical beings are only as strong as the body of the puncher. i hope you understand what im saying there.    Also, in DC, the magic is only as strong as what was given to get it. A guy who sacrifices one life for his magic will never be as strong as someone who sacrificed a hundred lives. And thousand year magic user is more powerful than a hundred year magic user, and any powers a thousand year magic user dishes out is much stronger than most other magic users. while this generally stays the same, the balance between good and evil magic is constantly changing, and that factors too. But thats a whole different bucket o bolts.  In Marvel, magic is just another power. A magic shadow controller in Marvel would not instantly trump a mutant shadow controller there, like it would in DC. Magic is just given, and then there are strength levels just like everyone else. The powers stay the same unless you get into ones "realm", where the home team advantage comes into play.   So in a Marvel U, Superman can take way more magic damage than in a DCU because the rules are different. he can take hammer hits and its just a strong guy hitting a super man with a hammer. But in DC, its a strong guy hitting a normal guy with a hammer, and its only his endurance keeping him on his feet.  Its one of the main reasons "feats or strength" dont work very well between universes, power is gauged differently. "

SANITY! Very good, unbiased opinion. Although when you factor in all of Thors' other nonphysical abilities, it's hard to make a case for superman. BUT Thor would rather fight mano a mano (see his fight with magog). Even still he has thousands of years of battle experience over supes. I talked myself out of the 50/50 craziness, in actuality using logic supes has nothing on Thor. But that's just logic, not something that should be considered with superman fans...

""A thousand year magic user is more powerful than a hundred year magic user, and any powers a thousand year magic user dishes out is much stronger than most other magic users"  Thor is thousands and thousands of years old and has done nothing but fight the entire time, so how is his fighting skill not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>superman? According to your own logic Thor HAS to beat supes  [EDIT]: And why does no one mention Thor's god blast which sent galctus packing? "

Excellent read. 
 
@Thor's hammmer said:

" @god_spawn:  starving Galactus>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Superman so it doesn't really matter. "

" @Son Of The Northwind said:

"I know some people like to post half-assed scans that they claim being evidence of ANY kind of victory. So for instance this being one's evidence of Thor owning superman, or this of Superman owning Thor. In both cases, they were wrong. Thor caught superman by suprise in the first attack, and Superman overwhelmed thor because thor (as usual) underestimated his opponent. Aquaman and thor discuss this as the storyline continues ( here).  Superman and Thor even see themselves as their equals, too be seen on two occassions. As for Superman being able to lift Thor's hammer, people say he did this because he is worthy, or simply that he's strong enough. Here is the the truth, Thor gave it to him, knowing he was worthy of the moment. After the battle, we saw superman attempting to lift it again, but failing ( here).
 
After beating Thor, Superman admits that he may be the single most strongest opponent he ever faced ( here), andlook how the avengers treat thor... sort of like the Justice League treat Superman eh? And last but not least, Superman admits beating him barely, it's a 50 / 50 thing. 
 
Hope you now see that these two are evenly matched, and that none of the two could easily beat the other. 
 
As for it being able to be used in battle threads or any other Superman Vs Thor material... Kurt Busieksays yes! Thing's like the Cosmic Egg that was created after the JLA / Avengers crossover still have been used in continuity.  "

100 % agreed. Also I would add up something. All Superman vs Thor is Modern Superman vs Classic Thor. So no SA Supes feats. Let's begin.  Many Supes fanboys are saying Supes moved a planet Thor didn't so Supes is stronger. But they obviously don't know that Thor on several ocassions has destroeyd the planet with a single punch (And I ask you if you can destroy something with single punch than does it mean that you can't move it ?) ! And Supes vs General Zod fight wee see they devestate the planet with several punches ( although that was under the Red Sun). Anyway they also forget about Midgar Serpent. Midgar Serpent was stated to be so large that it could coil around Earth multiple times from head to tail and than crush the planet with it's grip. So it's easy to say that weight of the planet Earth is < than weight of the Midgar Serpent. And Thor  overpowered physicly and than lifted the Midgar Serpent.  So basilcy that strength feat of Thor is > than top strength feat of Supes (moving a planet). Also to move a planet you need a powerfull flight rather than simply pure strength. And also WW and MArtian Manhunter assisted Supes to do A MORE PLANET LIFTING FEAT THAN SIMPLY MOVING IT.  That was about strength.  About the durability. Classic Thor has survived without any visible injury the blast equal to Supernova. More important thing he wasn't Koed. And Supes was koed. Also as stated in comic Supes survived " A NOVA CAUSED BY BRAINIAC" so all the Supes fans should check the Wikipedia and see that SUPERNOVA is > than NOVA . Also Thor was in the hurt of the star without any discomfort, while on the other and Supes went temporarly insane after the same feat. So it appears that Thor has shown greater durability.  About the speed Thor is pretty fast but Supes is faster. With Mjolnir Thor is Faster Than Light but again Supes still has him in speed department. It appeared that physicly Thor and Supes are pretty much equals but add Mjolnir there and Thor is > than Supes. Cause with Mjolnir Thor can teleport Supes, kill him with God Blast... It obvious that with Mjolnir Thor is more powerfull than Supes.  Most of the Supes fans see Supes superior to Thor because of the Superman vs Thor battle in the JLA vs Avangers. But they forget about the Marvel vs DC and the battle between Thor and Captain Marvel. Thor was victorious and that battle wasn't fan voted. Also not that MArvel vs DC appears to be cannon to both Multiverses. "

The lightning hurts Supes AT ALL because he is weak to magic. Normal lightning can't hurt him (i think we can all agree on that).
 
Thor summoned a storm of a thousand worlds, what if he summouned the lightning of a thousand worlds and hit Superman with it? ....
 
...yeah, i thought so too.

 
 @FinalStar86 said:

"Wow...fighting a bunch of trolls and frost giants with ZERO HAND TO HAND ABILITY Nice try though "

I bet Superman with the same physical stats would totally own Frost Giants and Trolls.

    
@Xan

"I was using that to show how 30 years >>>>>> Thousands of years in comics. So if in 30 years someone can become way way way way better then Thor in h2h that means that Thor is a complete warrior-idiot and those thousands of years don;t mean creap."

 
I'm not seeing it. Thor didn't spend thousands of years in solitude brushing up on hand to hand very carefully watching mortals develope said hand to hand fighting styles, he was busy smashing giants and monsters of all shapes and sizes. 
 

" @tensor: yea well, whatever he said in the picture i posted. Will not argue with it just couldn't recall that. Being the toughest Opponent still is very formidable no?"

 "

Omg, a fanboy! When are they gonna START reading a comic?!
 
First, Superman has MOVED more then one planet. He moved Mageddon who's size is equal to Jupiter (Jupiter is about 400 times the Earth). How about Superman lifting a book with infinite pages (Yes, Captain Marvel was helping on the feat but Ultraman, a Superman counterpart, showed to be weaker then Superman, was able to lift it by himself), etc. That alone beats anything Thor did.
 
Durability? Superman took out WEAKENED a blast EQUAL to 50 Supernovas. Again, that beats Thor in that departement.
 
Superman was able to prevent PEOPLE from teleporting in the past. I'll get the scan. But anyway, Superman flying million times faster then light speed is enought to easily beat Thor. Superman vs Thor WASN'T fan voted kid.
 
Fighting experience? I hope you know that Superman and Wonder Woman spent thousands of years in Asgard fighting every days. Superman was trained by Mongul, Batman, Wonder Woman and Huntress in the fighting departement. Thor doesn't have SKILLS. He goes in with Mjolnir.
 
For magic, Shazam is above Thor in the magic departement. When I say Shazam, I mean the magician. Oh and since you don't know, Captain Marvel << Superman. Read a comic for once or read a respect thread before writting that random stuff.
 


"

"@TheFallenOne:  1) Sorry dude Thor already lost this fight... 2) The entire Marvel universe whips on Thor like he is a pawn... 3) Even in the new Thor movies (he isn't a God) and he gets taken down by a taser... 4) And are we using non-cannon material here since it's kinda in the rules? 5) Granted Superman couldn't lift the hammer after the fight, but I sure didn't Thor in the final stand. 6) Superman took the pounding from Thor and his hammer till Superman had enough, and then it was over. (and superman stopped Thor by grabing the hammer with his hand and forcing Thor back.7) Ever heard of a game called Heroclixs? Thor doesn't even get the best defensive power in the game (impervious) he get Invulnerability 8) And as for calling that other dude a fanboy, it's clear who is the fanboy because you sound a little upset, arguing Thor can beat Superman when Big Blue already owned him. (It's not fair, it's not cannon, well it wasn't fan voted, blame your own comic universe for it's inferiority..) "

"@TheFallenOne:  1) Sorry dude Thor already lost this fight... 2) The entire Marvel universe whips on Thor like he is a pawn... 3) Even in the new Thor movies (he isn't a God) and he gets taken down by a taser... 4) And are we using non-cannon material here since it's kinda in the rules? 5) Granted Superman couldn't lift the hammer after the fight, but I sure didn't Thor in the final stand. 6) Superman took the pounding from Thor and his hammer till Superman had enough, and then it was over. (and superman stopped Thor by grabing the hammer with his hand and forcing Thor back.7) Ever heard of a game called Heroclixs? Thor doesn't even get the best defensive power in the game (impervious) he get Invulnerability 8) And as for calling that other dude a fanboy, it's clear who is the fanboy because you sound a little upset, arguing Thor can beat Superman when Big Blue already owned him. (It's not fair, it's not cannon, well it wasn't fan voted, blame your own comic universe for it's inferiority..) "

" @deathlife:  Are you stupid? Do you even know who Shazam is? You guys are simply braindead or something. If SUPERMAN would be weak to magic, he would have NO protection at ALL against it. Let's say magical lightning would hit Superman. If he would be weak to magic and have no defense against it, he would end up in ASHES because he would not be protected at ALL against magic.  And the fact that you think that Thor has a better mastery over magic then Shazam who's empowered by the Rock of Eternity shows your GREAT lack of knowledge on comics.  Yeah, I thought so too... you are a fanboy. "