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two god of strength ...i believe marvel has made it clear they are equal in strength ...Never has anything been said to prove that herc is stronger ..infact Thor seems to be stronger ..SO PROVE WITH FEATS THAT HERC IS STRONGER ...AND YES I HAVE READ BLOOD OATH THAT PROVES NOTHING .BUT THAT HERCULES IS BETTER IN BRAWLING WHICH I CAN AGREE ON....

ITS JUST THAT BECAUSE THOR RELIES ON MJOLNIR TOO MUCH IT SEEMS LIKE HE IS NOTHING WITHOUT IT ...

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if herc was stronger he would have won...and the same can be said for thor ..he would have beaten herc as well if he was stronger ....hence i say they are equal

The only time herc beat Thor is when THor had his strength halved by odin mystically ...funny thing about their strenght is Hercules is actually pure mystical while Thor is physical in the marvel universe .. herc was granted strength as a baby by zeus Thor inherited his from gaea his momma ..

as normal earth gods in the marvel universe do not have vast superhuman strength and average at 35 tons while some 50-75 and at most like beings (like zeus and odin while emporing himself odin ) from 100 to incalculabe ..just a thought i wanted to share ... so i believe herc is extremely strong he is not physicaly stronger they are eqaul ..in strength ....

this comic is pretty cool and it testifies to the strength of both characters ..moving the earth out of orbit thats massive strength ..

The Earth has a mass of about 5.97x10^24 kilograms and is moving around the Sun at an average speed of about 30,000 m/s. By my calculations that gives the Earth an average kinetic energy of 2.68x10^33 Joules.

the escape velocity from the Sun at Earth's orbit (in other words, how fast the Earth would have to be going in order to escape from the solar system) is about 42,100 m/s. In order to escape from the solar system the Earth's kinetic energy would have to increase to 5.29x10^33 Joules, a difference of 2.61x10^33 Joules. In terms of nuclear weapons, that's 6.24x10^17 Megatons of TNT...

if u guys understand how much strength these guys are showing here u would know that superman and wonder woman is not stronger than either of these two charcters and Thor is not a 100 tonner or 1000 tonner or 250 tonner as some idiots imply ..

If we imagine that some giant rock hits the Earth at 17,000 m/s (a pretty typical speed for Earth-smacking rocks) then it must have a mass greater than 1.81x10^25 kg to knock the Earth out of its orbit

thats what would be neccesary to knock the earth out of orbit however these two are doing it by just arm wrestling ..

i do believe in the end though that superman has a greater consistency of strength feats making people feel that superman is sooo much stronger ..

speed Superman wins

Durabilty Thor wins

Strength equal

and honestly if you guys say that superman is still alot stonger than this that makes me hate the character because then he would not even need to lose against marvel infact mm, wonder woman ,captain marvel there hands should break on impact because they sure as heck are not stronger than this ..

and why i say the Thor has better durabilty remember the headbutt scene in blood and oath Herc seemed more stunned than Thor even asking what stone is thy head made off and Thor kind off smerked ..but in fighting?brawling Herc wins

And when i say speed i mean superman is faster in reaction time ..but dont mistake me saying Thor's reaction is slow ..no not at all...

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equal they're, but thor have better striking power and durability

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They are both equals when it comes to their fights, but Hercules has the better individual feats

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herc held the heavens IIRC

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I think they're pretty close....I always felt Thor was a tad stronger, but Herc the better H2H combatant.

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@cmartin said:

people are so sheep...hercules is not a better h2h fighter. One witer wrote one DUMB slapstick story that doesnt make hercules a greater fighter

in fact if you read all thor and herc fights.. thor actually most times has the edge hand to hand and other wise as shown by scans

Hercules has better h2h feats than Thor does. It's also consistent with the myths they were based on. Hercules was trained by the best teachers in Greece in war, combat, weapons mastery sports etc..

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@Baberaham_Lincoln:

THOR IS TH EGOD OF THUNDER,LIGHTINIG,STRENGTH,WAR AND FERTILTY

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@GunGunW: more durable than supes

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What if Hercules permanently used his Namean lion Skin and his adamantine mace? Can he do anything with that, besides looking cool? And people saying thor is god of strength, i thought he was the god of thunder?!?! o.O.

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I'm confused on Thor's durability... some tell me he has greater durability than Superman, others tell me he doesn't have invulnerability Can someone please clear that up for me?

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@JJ62 said:

@sommyt Thor's reaction times are pitiful...at least current Thor. Also, in speed Thor can reach the speed of light while flying, Superman is almost as fast as Flash, who can move far faster than the speed of light. Another thing, Thor only has super speed when he's flying. He can't run or react at super speed, Superman can. Lastly, Herc lifted the heavens, exactly how heavy are the heavens? It looks as if he's lifting the universe, but I'm not sure.

yep but flight speed goes to Thor as he has entered hyperspace ..over 5000x the speed of light

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I have read nothing that indicates these characters are anything but equal in strength. On the other hand I have read nothing that shows Herc is faster than Thor. Also. Herc is the better H2H combatant. Strength? Even.

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people are so sheep...hercules is not a better h2h fighter. One witer wrote one DUMB slapstick story that doesnt make hercules a greater fighter

in fact if you read all thor and herc fights.. thor actually most times has the edge hand to hand and other wise as shown by scans

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@KingSolomon: Hercuels is a really really good wrestler, so an headlock of his would be hard to get out of, even if someone is stronger than  him. It is the technique. Plus they are equal in strength, but Herc being superior in combat, makes him the better fighter.
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@akbogert: Hercules is a God in the myths too actually.

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@JJ62 said:

This is my conclusion, Hercules = Thor without Mjolnir, Hercules < Thor with Mjolnir.

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Thor and Hercules are well established equals in strength within the pages of Marvel Comics. Every actual test of strength between the two puts them as equal. Hercules has been established once in their most recent confrontation as slightly better than Thor in hand to hand combat. It is their most recent confrontation and therefore should be taken as gospel even if it is inconsistant with every other showing, it is Thor that is making the admission. Personally I would wait to see if it ever happens again before calling it official. One could be a fluke, two marks a pattern.

Hand to hand combat, however, does not equate to strength. Most hand to hand combat has to do with technique, possitioning and leverage, particularly in wressling. A rear choke like what Hercules utilizes in Blood Oath is not going to be broken by strength alone, particularly if someone is your physical equal. Its a good nod to Hercules and a good way of seperating him from other physical powerhouses, I just wish they would be more consistant with hit.

As for Hercules 12 labors, they have been acknowledged as having occured in the Marvel Universe, though not all of them were completed by Hercules, some were actually completed by the Forgotten One. The cleaning of the Aegean Stables as been outright stated, others have been hinted at, to include the lifting of the heavens (not the earth). [Coincidently, this is actually in keeping with the myth, as there were at least two different Heracles's (the most well known being the son of Zeus and Alceme, but another being the son of Zeus and Lysithoe) running around that all got lumped together. In fact there were as manay as seven whose feats are interchanged.]

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There both gods of strength, so it would make sense that there equals.

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The events in Blood Oath are one example of many battles between Thor & Herc - perhaps a dozen over their history.

More often than not they stalemate each other and are viewed as equals in combat. That is perhaps the only time Thor has acknowledged Herc to be slightly better in H2H. Usually neither would give the other that kind of satisfaction. Both claiming to be the other's superior during heated battles. During more friendly contests, giving each other mutual respect. They are often even viewed on panel as equals in strength & combat in the eyes of Odin & Zeus, who say as much, while watching battles between the two in both armed & unarmed combat.

Thor fought Herc well, until the last hold where Herc caught him with a good grip ... and Thor cut the fight short with a lightning bolt. So one round in favor of Herc. Though Thor has had little trouble breaking free from a very similar hold before. Thor has also been in position during two separate other battles, where he was the one shown as having the advantage, before the battle was interrupted. One such battle (as shown in earlier scans by The PhoeniX) in which Thor was beating Herc decisively, to the point that Herc's followers began to lose faith. He reassured them he would succeed but was rejected by Thor yet again ... and laid out at the feet of Zeus in Olympus.

Whatever edge Herc may have in H2H is slight, if at all. Personally I view them as peers in both skill & strength.

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@Megan Fox said:
I don't think the Labors count as actual feats. Hercules and nobody else is capable of holding up the Earth without a magical effect. Hercules has struggled physically with characters that couldn't hold up even half the earth so I don't believe the labors are real feats.
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This is my conclusion, Hercules > Thor without Mjolnir, Hercules = Thor with Mjolnir.

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I don't think the Labors count as actual feats. Hercules and nobody else is capable of holding up the Earth without a magical effect. Hercules has struggled physically with characters that couldn't hold up even half the earth so I don't believe the labors are real feats.

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@TrueMarvel: I actually know off what ur talking about

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HMMM can't find it. maybe I am wrong? could have swore he did, but maybe I'm confused

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@Fernando072295REBORN: yea he did i am looking for scand hopefully @TrueMarvel: can find them

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@TrueMarvel: Thor did that? Scans? My curiosity skyrocketed lol.

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Thor lifted a book that wieghed as much as all life to ever exsist.

Hercules lifted the world

Even to me

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@Fernando072295REBORN: I'm in the camp that believes Herc and Thor have equal physical strength and that's what this thread is about

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@joshmightbe: one of them has a clear view of the heavens though. And the feat would still only fall under a super high end feat that won't matter in combat. It's one of those "infinite" feat you know? Superman lifted a book of "infinite" pages, Thor had his weight multiplied "infinitely" and fought through it, Hercules lifted the heaves etc etc. They're still not limitless in strength.

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@Fernando072295REBORN: Every single myth and story refers to Atlas holding either the Earth or the heavens on his shoulders Earth seemed like the more reasonable of the 2 feats considering the Heavens would mean he was holding up the entire weight of the Universe

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@joshmightbe: he's not touching the Earth there. The earth is just in the bg imo. And even if he was, look at his size. Something's amiss here.

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@Fernando072295REBORN: Atlas's Burden was the Earth

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Thor and Hercules are equal in strength btw. Hercules choking Thor in blood other doesn't prove strength superiority.

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@joshmightbe: he didn't that I know of. You're talking about a reall classic comic aren't you? If so that was just a bad angle, he was lifting the burden from atlas or something similar.

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@sommyt: Thanks! XD

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@ThePhoenX: you speak the truth brother and your scans prove everything ..

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@cmartin: yea that just stupid Thor could just will mjolnir to literally drop or to go the opposite direction with a thought

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Hercules isn't stronger than Thor!!! They are equal in terms of strength! But Hercules is a little bit more technical

in a hand to hand fight... He has a SLICE advantage...!

A hand to hand fight between them can go either way...

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@akbogert: hehe exactly :P When your the son of Zeus it does not really matter if your a god or not, you can still kick ass.

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@Wolfrazer said:

@akbogert said:

@Pyrogram: Well to be fair Hercules isn't a god :P

He is a god, upon his death Zeus made him into a full fledged god.

Meh. Once a demi-god, always a demi-god in my book. Haha. But I suppose that's neither here nor there for this particular thread, as the Hercules who's up against Thor is whoever the comics and/or Zeus say he is.

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@akbogert said:

@Pyrogram: Well to be fair Hercules isn't a god :P

He is a god, upon his death Zeus made him into a full fledged god.
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@cmartin:

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@akbogert said:

@Pyrogram: Well to be fair Hercules isn't a god :P

He is in Marvel :)

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@Pyrogram: Well to be fair Hercules isn't a god :P

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@akbogert said:

@Pyrogram: I don't know about in comics, but in mythology he volunteered to take it off Atlas' shoulders for a bit. He then tricked Atlas into taking it back.

I remember that, But sadly he is not THAT strong in the comics xD Most Myth gods are far stronger.

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@Pyrogram: I don't know about in comics, but in mythology he volunteered to take it off Atlas' shoulders for a bit. He then tricked Atlas into taking it back.

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@joshmightbe: Interesting.

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@Pyrogram: Yes also its been proven that Thor and Herc are physically equal in terms of strength

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