Smart_Dork_Dude

@lvenger said:

Nail on the head. The closest Miller's done to getting Superman RIGHT? Is in DKR....... And even then it wasn't really right since Superman was kowtowing to the government.

@lvenger said:

I'm just saying that that's how I see this eventually going. Could be wrong, but my gut makes me think I may be right. I heard a rumor of an alternate ending for Infinite Crisis was to have Earth-Two Superman AKA Kal-L actually been about the same age as New Earth Superman, physically at least, revealing he had been using hair dye and specialized make up to appear older than he actually was to keep up his Clark Kent identity and of course make it easier for Lois with him not aging at the same rate.

The actual fallout of this replacement, such as where that would leave the younger New Earth Lois, and so on was deemed too confusing... BUT I think something similar since the only difference is here there is a lot less to actually worry about in terms of what the potential fallout could be.

Also I still say an amnesiac to the previous timeline Barry Allen is ALSO still a possibility and they could even TIE IN all of this to Barry being the source of Pre-Flashpoint/New Earth Clark and Lois being here. How? While Prime-Earth is now the center of the universe the Barry we've been seeing is not native to it in the slightest and merely folded over INTO this new Barry's life VIA the Speed Force. And because of this OTHER potential New Earth survivors could have done the same thing due to a bleed effect.

Why do I bring up Barry Allen? Morrison's next Multiversity is called "The Multiversity Too: The Flash" so something tells me that could be closer to being the case than anything else for HOW these two are here.

Calling it now, New 52 Superman is gonna die and New 52 Lois along with him and the ACTUAL Lois and Clark are gonna take their place. Why would I say that? Let's look at the facts.

1: New 52 Clark's identity is public and he's no longer ANYWHERE near as powerful as he once was and even after Truth? That's gonna be the case. With his breed of enemies it's only a matter of time before he shuffles off the mortal coil.

2: BECAUSE he clearly isn't as powerful anymore and people SEE him die? They will accept it this time as him being dead as it's been stated he's "died" before.

3: This allows for one Clark Kent to slip into the world easily enough along with Lois. How so? Pre-Flashpoint Clark is a LOT smarter than New 52 Clark and? Could easily set up a foolproof identity for himself and his family. Hell with people knowing he's Clark Kent? He could claim "Superman" asked for his identity to use and he let his family live in peace as far as that goes.

4: With New 52 Superman clearly dead? This allows the actual Superman to slip in as Superman as well. How so? I doubt anyone would mistake a man in his mid to late 30's dressed in a skin tight super suit with bright red trunks on the outside of it for a guy in his mid to late 20's dressed in battle armor?.

I honestly think this entire Lois and Clark series is DC doing an experiment to see what sells better. THIS Superman or the New 52 Superman and which people would actually want, after all sales are what get DC's attention.

And if this is a success? I wouldn't be surprised to see OTHER New Earth refugees coming in.... And their less interesting New 52 selves biting the big one in some way or in some cases? Retconned into being the Pre-Flashpoint versions and just had amnesia.

Keep in mind at one point they stated New 52 Barry was in fact the ORIGINAL Barry Allen. Only reason he doesn't seem like it being his inexperience in using time travel to change things leaving him with no memories of the original.

I like THAT take on the New 52 look. Why? Lines yes but it's less armor and more... Space-suit. Like it's TRYING to go for a space-suit look.

Now I'll give credit where it's due, they at least make it work in-universe...... But the reasoning surrounding it still is just.... Why?!?

I mean, Billy IS the source of the power, he just needs to work and learn HOW to utilize it. Okay since this is a MAJOR step up in power for Billy, putting him for the FIRST TIME on a power level EQUAL to Superman not just able to go up against him due to having a magical edge.... Yeah I take back a large majority of what I said about this new take on Billy Batson.

That being said however, I still GREATLY prefer the Classic Captain Marvel, since HE is a far better character overall, but I am content on that end since we've got Earth-5 which is classic Captain Marvel 24/7.

@darkdetective27 said:

I mean in universe the name makes sense. I re-read those back up stories in Justice League recently and I realized something... They didn't make Billy Shazam's champion like he normally is, they full on said he IS Shazam now, not just getting powers through him but IS the Wizard now. He's got ALL of the Wizard's power now, not just the powers of the gods. Which is why he's able to actually use magic now, as in use iit for spells, by focusing that power.

I mean really what gets me is not so much the name change, since if they had gone with the usual alternate name of Captain Thunder I'd have been fine. Mostly because Captain Thunder is what he was originally going to be called, but a short lived jungle themed hero with that name(Who fell into obscurity leaving the Captain Thunder name in the Public Domain) from another company stopped that.

What gets me is the IDIOTIC REASONING behind it!

"Oh well everyone thinks his name is Shazam, so he's Shazam now."

Okay.... There's a problem with this. In Justice League Unlimited? He showed up for an episode and was called Captain Marvel. In Batman: The Brave and The Bold he showed up as both a recurring character and had TWO full episodes dedicated to him! One showcasing him as well as Dr. Sivanna, his 2 evil kids, and Black Adam! The second one about the Marvel Family as well as having Mr. Mind and the Monster Society of Evil as the villains!

Then he showed up fairly regularly in Young Justice, again called Captain Marvel, and was even a MAJOR PART of 2 full episodes! One where he's helping the Team, the other where he's a crucial part in stopping Klarion the Witchboy. The point is? By that point people who may have been confused could go

"OH! He SAYS Shazam to turn into Captain Marvel!"

And now this just opens up NEW confusion since it's

"Wait his name is Shazam? I thought he was Captain Marvel."

If they went with Captain Thunder but kept everything about this new take in place? People would be fine with it! They see the similar costume, colors, and Captain in the name and go for it!

@liamdaniels: Huh....... Well that's.... Kinda weird. I mean not BAD since it still does the same thing but.... Why blue?

Uh, just gonna throw this out here... We didn't see the so-called "heat vision" melt anything or hit anything.... That could just be how they show her using X-Ray vision? WE can see it but no one else can?

A lot of the time when it's shown the eyes glow blue and there's a blue beam coming from them

Even shown with Kara too

A though occured to me while re-reading the Trials of Shazam.... In that Billy Batson had fully taken over as The Wizard of the Rock of Eternity, now calling himself Marvel.

And I thought about it and... Why didn't DC just call him Marvel? I mean yeah you run the risk of Marvel threatening to sue, but? Come on if Marvel can have POWER Man and WONDER Man, DC could do this. Just on the title of the comic call him The Wizard Marvel or something like that. I mean they COULD do something like that andon Billy WENT by the name Marvel before and Marvel has NO trademark on the name "Wizard Marvel"

Call him "The Wizard Marvel" on the comic and just refer to him as Marvel IN the comic. There ya go. Mary can still be Mary Marvel, Freddy becomes Marvel Jr.

@stormshadow_x: Well the idea isn't so much to bring Hyperman back, but more or less any character that was originally Kryptonian, like say a version of Power Girl or Supergirl, with the idea Zoron was in the same solar system as Krypton and Krypton exploding caused spacial tremors that destroyed Zoron