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What evidence do you guys have that the hammer didn't strengthen Cap? Anytime someone is worthy of the hammer in comics, they obtain the power of Thor. Everytime.

It's a big assumption that Cap's physicals didn't become amped.

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@undefined: wait... Do your mean the wights... Or the white walkers? There's a difference...

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@bearderby: honestly, there was way more than 100,000 dead. Do you remember how many dothraki there were? I think it was 40,000. That didn't even make up a quarter of the dead that filled the Battlefield.

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@n7elite: what pikes? It says they're charging in to the dark night at the wight army.

All they have to see is flaming weapons, they do have enhanced vision at night but still.

There's about 200,000-300,000 of the dead and also, not all dead are equal. Some mighty be weak, some are very strong, punching through stone to escape coffins and punching through thick wooden doors to grab Hoder.

Iirc, 40,000 Dothraki charged at the dead and just all died. There are just way too many dead, and again, some have superhuman strength compared to others.

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How is this not a mismatches? There was about 40,000 dothraki that charged and died quite easily. The number of undead was far far greater than the Dothraki that charged.

This army is way too small.

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I think Boros is being underestimated here.

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I think calling him "fat Thor" is kind of a spoiler. Should be Endgame Thor.

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@slimj87d: Her regular blades wouldn't do any damage to Surtur tho. He's too big and way bigger than Thanos. It makes sense why she started to use bigger one's because he wouldn't even feel her regulars not that he felt her big ones too but that's besides the point.

I don't think Thanos underestimates his opponents as much as I believe he knows he can beat people without having to kill them. Then again you could say anybody can beat someone without having to kill them lol

According to the battle rules both are in character.

Understood. But I think the debate is, what's in character for them? Hela might have approached the Asgardians because she knows what they're capable of and didn't care to go 100%. She saw Surtur (just looked up how to spell his name, lol), knew she was out of her league and went all out. I think just going H2H with Thanos with just one strike she'll know physically she's no match. Question is, what does she do? Go 100% or just let herself get owned?

I don't actually think Hela is all that durable as much as I think she has a nice healing factor.

Thor blasted her and I think she recovered better than the Hulk did. But fair point, her healing factor is something that would aid her in slashes and stabs.

Sure she might be faster than Cap but Thanos is definitely faster than her. He disarmed Thor with Stormbreaker in like 1 second. His combat and reaction speed is very good.

I don't think Fat Thor is as strong and agile as a fit Thor. For sure being fat would limit his mobility.

I don't know about that. Thor is more durable than Hela by feats and Thanos busted up his face and made him dizzy after only 3 punches. In fact he probably made him bleed from punch 1. Thanos also KO'd Hulk in under like 11 seconds and he has good durability feats too.

Thanos has at least super sonic reaction time so I see him easily dodging her spikes.

The thing about the spikes, if you look how large they are and how fast they can travel, they'd cause a shock wave if they landed anywhere near you. They're moving 1000s of feet per a second, I'd estimate at mach speeds.

I'll say Thanos cuts her apart H2H, but if she goes all out, he'll have trouble, won't be able to close the distance and will get hurt eventually or BFR'd by the giant huge spikes she can throw.

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@slimj87d: Ofc we can. When she fought Thor and that one Warrior's 3 dude she just used one blade at one time. She didn't spam them the way she did against the Asgardian army when they were ganging up on her.

It's an assumption thinking she would spam more blades against Thanos when on screen evidence suggest she's does certain things in certain situations.

She's never come back from severed limbs and due to Cap's shield being more durable than Hela herself, I see nothing to suggest one quick slice doesn't just end her there and then.

Yeah, Thanos can just cut her head off. She's very easy to pierce and Thanos sword is definitely above any regular Asgardian sword there is. They're fatal mistake was using tiny swords to stab her with. Thanos has a sword almost has big as himself that can cut pure Vibranium into pieces like he's cutting off the sides of a PBJ.

Could she have approached them H2H because she knows she's far superior to any Asgardian that exist? We know when she saw Sutar, she decided to use her full power. Also, I'm going to argue that Thanos underestimates his opponents also. He didn't twist and kill BP or punch Cap hard enough to explode his head or snap Hulk's neck. I'm not going to use that and say he'd play it easy on Hela.

Are we going to agree that they're both going to go all out or are they going to do what they did in the movies and underestimate their opponents?

That's a fair point about her losing a limb. But she's stronger and more durable than Thor. Faster and more agile than Captain America. I think that will help her survive and gauge Thano's capabilities. She'd know by dodging blocking just one of his swings to not underestimate him.

I'm going to argue that in the event they go H2H, she's going to feel his power immediately. Her skills, speed, durability and agility are clearly enough for her to survive the first strike or two from Thanos.

TL;DR: I'll agree that if she continues to go H2H and win it H2H, and if she's decapitated she loses. Lets both agree on this point. But what if she goes all out, summons a mountain to carry herself sky high and launches spears at mach speeds like she did at Sutar? I don't see Thanos winning this scenario. If this is win by any means, at worse he'd eventually get flung into the ocean and BFR off the waterfall of Asgard.

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Thanos wins fairly easily. She can't pierce his armor (Stormbreaker couldn't even do that), her blades can't hit him due to Thanos super sonic reaction time, and Thanos can just one shot her with his sword. Hela has no chance. Also Hela doesn't spam multiple blades when she's fighting one on one and she's only used her big blades against Surtur who was taller than Asgard's mountains.

We can't assume this part in bold. She might only go one on one if she thinks she has the clear advantage or hails down mountain size spears when she knows she has to up her game. That's a in character assumption we'd be making.

She's in Asgard, she heals near instantly and constantly. I imagine fighting Thanos for awhile would push her physically to the point where she'd up her game.

Really, my main problem is the Deus Ex Machina affect of her being in Asgard. We know that destroying all of Asgard will stop her for sure. But nothing seemed to show you could stop her otherwise. Maybe a head decapitation?

If OP agrees that a head decapitation will work, and she'd fight the fight H2H initially, I'd favor Thanos.