SleepyDrug

@Eyz: Kyle has also created entire armies to back him in combat, resisted Parallax (the first time they clashed), and used his ring as a "ship" to transport him back to Earth and evade a death blow. I agree that this post shows Sinestro's depth of knowledge and experience. But only Kyle has ever showed his effectiveness in using the ring.

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@MrUnknown said:

                    @SleepyDrug: Most of the Wheel is dead. And about Fury not leading any supers, he did lead Secret Warriors whom were a bunch of unknown kids before Fury found them. Not only did he lead, but also trained them and they actually grew as characters by the series' end. Even SHIELD has had quite a few superheroes in their ranks such as Spider-woman.

                   

               

True.  Fury has led supers.  I never said he didn't; I said Cap has done it better.  Look at the resume: Secret Warriors, Avengers 1959, and even the Great Wheel are all newly introduced aspects of Fury's abilities.  They are a real change in Fury.  For the bulk of his career, he has not been very successful in leading supers.  SHIELD's past Super-Agent programs have had very mixed records in the past.  In fact, the two major super agent programs were infiltrated by criminal organizations (the Corporation and Hydra) and ended badly.  Granted, Fury has recruited some top tier talent for SHIELD.  But those have not lasted and most of those heroes made their biggest impacts away from SHIELD.  Captain America, Quasar, Black Widow, and Spider-Woman have been most effective solo or as Avengers.  Shadowcat did one mission, but she is really an X-Man.  Few super-agents have done much in the way of note-worthy missions while working for SHIELD.  This record does not compare with Cap's.  Captain America's record at leading super-teams is far superior.  He is the definitive leader of the Avengers.  Cap has led most note-worthy heroic gatherings, including the Secret Wars heroes on Battleworld, Operation: Galactic Storm, and the JLA-Avengers team-up.  He is widely recognized as the best field leader/tactician for supers.  I take Fury's record lightly.  I just can't accept that Fury is better than Cap at every aspect of leadership.  There are some things Cap is better at.

                   

               

You make an excellent point their. When if comes to directly leading supers Cap is the better man. In Secret Warriors (his most successful example) he leads a few missions directly, but on the whole he chooses field leaders for each squad and they interact with them on a day to day basis. He ultimately calls the shots, but he allows his QB's to run audibles if need be. I suggest checking out Secret Warriors, it will increase the respect you already have for the character and it also really humanizes Fury as well. And Cap plays a part in it and his scenes with Fury adds a wonderful aspect to their relationship. Hickman writes both perfectly and they play off one another superbly. And most of the great wheel is dead, by the hands or plans of Fury no less lol

                   

               

                    @SleepyDrug: Most of the Wheel is dead. And about Fury not leading any supers, he did lead Secret Warriors whom were a bunch of unknown kids before Fury found them. Not only did he lead, but also trained them and they actually grew as characters by the series' end. Even SHIELD has had quite a few superheroes in their ranks such as Spider-woman.