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Thanks!

And yes I ramble quite a bit but topics I'm passionate about get me going, I really dislike the mindset of everything old being better as its normally nostalgia (not always as above, red brought up good points and shared a wonderful interview) but in this case I find cartoons these days to be brilliant.

There will always be flaws as we are human (sexism, racism, corporate or government nonsense etc) and of course we should work hard to fight against serious offenses but at the same time somethings just change and certain types of fiction are more popular then others at any given time or they push a certain kind more then others.

But that's everywhere.

Just look at probably how much vampire books (good and bad) probably spiked when Twilight dropped but now that popularity has faded (somewhat anyway I assume). Of course popularity doesn't=quality (I'm not very fond of Twilight) but markets shift and change and different creators come and different books were written.

The important part is not letting the past effect how you feel about modern works in a biased way. A lot of what we consider great and masterpieces now have benefited from one thing.....TIME, whether the work was considered lowbrow or high class it has the benefit of time. The longer its around the more it will influence and be respected (as they should) but modern creations do not have the luxury of time, so it will be very interesting to see what is remembered in the future from now in the arts and creative fields.

Looney Tunes Show.

It had stronger writing and characterization with a focus on Looney Toons personality which is what made Looney Toons great in general in a lot of the original classics. Yes the show had flaws and some odd changes but it did so many things right.

It made Lola a true looney toon character and not just random fanservice

Had some great musical numbers

And just generally amazingly written episodes in terms of looney toons humor.

As for reccomendations Bobs Burgers and Rick and Morty are the best funny cartoons on imo but more adult (most of all Rick and Morty) but I'd say try those.

Interesting!

Thank you very much for the interview.

I retract my statement regarding the sexism of CN at least partially and forgive me if I made it sound like discrimination could only be race of course it could sexual orientation, though I don't know using it to describe genre favoritism just feels a little odd to me.

But apologies if I made it sound discrimination was only race related.

Though I still stand by that the current CN shows are positive for both boys and girls to be watching and very intelligent or at the least well written. Also now that Snyder is gone and the female characters are much more marketed towards and as I pointed out in my previous post the most beloved characters in most of these shows I'd consider that a good thing, no? I think the channel has gotten so much better within the 2010-15.

Now of course you're totally right on shows being unfairly cancelled like Young Jusitce but sometimes things just take time. The people at the end of the day will dictate on what gets put on the air, Samurai Jack getting revived....sure for Adult Swim but its a good step.

When I say people I of course mean the critics, fans, the media etc Will eventually win out. Same thing happened when CN was only trying to do live action and now look they are back to producing quality cartoons because of fan response coupled with changes in management.

At a time where Network decay is so prevalent such as with places like History channel, TLC etc....channels that once were made to give wisdom and education all filled with reality TV now. Despite the flaws of CN (past and present in terms of the corporate side of things) I have a lot of respect for most their current programming and really think they did and are doing a good job of turning around the decay they were going through.

As I said, with times things change and you can be sure action shows will rise up again but the can sometimes take long to turn.

Get where I'm coming from?

I disagree fully

Discriminated against girls?

I don't see it.

Steven Universe has a nearly all female cast, the Adventure Time female characters are arguably the most popular characters on the show with one even getting her own spin off miniseries. They are always potrayed in a very positive light and had some of the most mature arcs (At least Steven Universe).

The female characters are warriors, mother and father figures, competent, smart, are the most well rounded characters and all around positive imo. And shows like AT, Steven Universe, Regular Show and most of CN's current programming is known for appealing to adults or at least a good portion of it. I'd honestly argue that kids shows today have a more adult audience then ever before or at least in recent times just cause of the quality of the story telling.

Also Tower Prep? The show lasted one season and it was an example of what most CN fans didn't like which was Live action (from what I remember) shows covering the network. But now that CN Real has failed and the live action shows of 2012 and such have failed. They seemed to have purged every live action show from the network for the time being which was as far as I could remember most fans wanted. Also you're saying discriminated against action shows as if action is a race....no they don't. The shows they air don't have as much action as they did at one time but not having a lot of action doesn't suddenly mean its hated.

I'm sure they will start airing shows in the mold of Samurai Jack, Ben 10, Batman TAS and such again down the line again at some point, which would be great but loathing a channel over such things I find odd. If the programs they showed were actually BAD then maybe I'd agree. But given that the shows best shows they are airing are paying entire homages to classical literature about hell , very much focusing on being a modern kind of family and just general hardships of life (such as losing loved ones and identity) which I find just as mature as anything Batman TAS has done on that show's best episode.

Yes.

Certainly some bad shows....such as Teen Titans Go

But I'd say most of the shows are good on a quality level with good writers. Yes some more action shows would be nice but there is something to be said about telling a mature and interesting story with layers with just using dialogue, enviroment, character development, plot and all but no violence. Though Steven Universe has quite a bit of action not at the Ben 10 level but more a Powerpuff Girl kind. But yeah as much as I love action and violence when its done well (hell I write crime and fantasy fiction with it in them) if you are making good content without it and you don't feel the need for it then by all means don't use it.

And I think the fans, crtics and market has dictated how much these new shows are loved by both kids and adults for being more then just comedy. They've all gotten great praise from all fronts from fans and critics a like for the subjects they tackle and layers they have to them.

I'm inclined to agree with @solomon36912 about Steven Universe.

That show is a modern classic if I ever saw one with a much higher level of story and mature content then Invader Zim, not talk smack on Zim. Invader Zim was a great show and a lot of fun to watch, still is. It was cancelled to soon.

Short lived but strong impact.

But I'd actually make the argument that cartoons now are ....actually just as good or better then they were in the 90s-2000s when they choose to focus on story telling and even in just comedy.Things like Korra, Steven Universe, Gravity Falls, Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Hero, Young Justice and some others are just as complex as Original Avatar, KND, Samurai Jack, Batman TAS and such, Most of all the cartoony kid shows as I said about Steven Universe, Over The Garden Wall, Mystery Incorporated version of Scooby Doo, Gravity Falls are much more complex on story telling level then a lot of the other shows CN or Nick has done of in that more very bright toon animation style. Also I don't get the hate on Cartoon Network having more comedic focused shows, they've always had more comedic focused shows for their mainline up with some more story driven things sprinkled on top. Hell one might be able to make the argument that they have more story driven content on there now then ever. Steven Universe has a lot of great things to say about healing from loss and being a family and even gender related things, Gravity Falls makes amazing use of code, mystery and overarching storytelling, If we get really technical we can interpret Over The Garden Wall as an homage to the Divine Comedy, I find the political plots and threats in Korra much more complex then the original Avatar series are total masterpieces. Even shows like Regular Show with its 90s slacker light inspired plot set in a very odd mixed fantasy version of the 80s and 90s and Adventure Time with its classical rubbery style of animation and generally odd world are refreshing and I find just as good on a funny level as things from days gone passed that I'd considered good.

I even enjoyed the modern Looney Toons Show (I prefer the sit-com one over the Wabbit thing on there). I think the writing was better, I like that it had a recurring cast but still kept them zany and I'm glad they actually made Lola crazy instead of just furry fanservice.

It played on their personalities which really really works with Looney Toons.

Though please note I don't find Adventure Time, Looney Toons Show or Regular Show to be as complex as say Over the Garden Wall (and the up above list with it), I think they are entertaining and have their place. Anyway's that's my opinion of the modern cartoons. Don't get me wrong I love the 90s-2000s cartoons to death but I'll also defend the modern cartoons and I really feel most of them decent to very good. And I'm not going to comment on why 30s-70s cartoons are important and masterpieces, those all speak for themselves.

NOW!

Some more 'recent' cartoons that should be considered masterpieces. Courage The Cowardly Dog- I think Courage did dark and creepy better then Zim or Billy and Mandy (both great shows). But there was something I found myself more attached to that show, each episode was its own story for most part but they are all really great. Like I can't really think of a bad episode.They were all either good or great. Plus some very very memorable ones.....The Curse episode, the pefection episode, the romantic episode with lesbian undertones, the hotel episode, the computer virus episodes, the Katz episodes, the dodgeball episodes, even as I write this more and more come to mind.

It also was creepy and still is! There are things in Courage that are really unsettling.

Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends- The idea alone is brilliant, the show was a lot of fun and just filled with imagination. Almost every episode was like a playground in this giant home where anything could happen. I think really does a good job of capturing the imagination of a younger child.

Powerpuff Girls- Another show by Craig Mcraken, its a show that when I was younger really made me respect girl POWAH. I think PPG did a lot for bridging a gap between boys and girls who watched even if on some small level.

Not to mention very VERY memorable bad guys and great fight scenes.

Rugrats- I think Rugrats without a doubt is at least the second or third best classic Nicktoon. There obviously isn't much to it ...but seeing the worlds the babies imagine and how they handle daily life problems is very relatable. My mom LOVED Rugrats, its a very sweet show and I think it stands the test of time.

Spongebob CLASSIC- Those classic seasons of Spongebob should be a must watch for anyone interested in kids comedic writing and I don't just mean for animated shows, I just meant in general. Some of that writing is so sharp, its so good that the best episodes of Spongebob probably stand out here in everyone's mind. Always fun, highly quotable and legendary.

Batman Beyond and Batman TAS- Much like the looney toons they speak for themselves introducing characters today that are big in not only comics now but pop culture (such as Harley and Terry) but also giving us a very concrete version of Batman, one of the best portrayals of Bruce as a character and should be required watching for any Batman writer who hasn't seen it.

Samurai Jack- A cartoon that told stories on a cinematic level and I say this as a word man (word man being I love books more so then film) but Samurai Jack told a story and it didn't need dialouge a lot of the time to do it. It pushed showing and not telling to its limits with some amazing action moments, it really deserves the revival its getting.

The Original Avatar: Not much to say, its an amazing written fantasy adventure with an amazing magic system and world. It is sure to stand the test of time.

Gargoyles- Amazing storytelling with possibly one, if not the greatest animated villian of all time. But yeah Gargoyles is really really impressive, in terms of plot it actually might be the most complex in terms of plot so far in a general sense out of all the shows I've listed so far in this article I've ended up writing.

Hmmmmm

I'll stop for now but there are some others I'll list later.

Sorry bout the wall of text!

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