@nickzambuto: Oh mate sorry about not getting back to our Vino vs Raiden debate. I've been busy but I'll get to it soon.
Anyway not sure about this. Raiden seems the faster and a better fighter. That's always a good advantage.
@JediXMan said:
Uh... thanks and you're welcome, I guess. Sure, why not?
I give respect when respect is earned; that's generally how I conduct myself.
I might be a member of CBR, but if I am I have, like, 5 posts max. I think I joined yeeeears ago.
I respect a man with Zero as his avatar and Jedi as his name. He is one to be reckoned with.
@nickzambuto: Claire Stanfield also known as Felix Walken and he has two other names as well Vino and The Rail Tracer. Claire was orphaned at a young age and taken in by the father of the Gandor crime family. As a child he seemed to have the ability to process information and learn any skill that was taught to him properly. Still most of how he gained his skills remain a mystery. But it is known that he ran away and joined the circus which led him to gain strength and agility beyond any that had been seen before.
He eventually became an assassin and his methods of killing were so brutal they called him Vino. He left the bodies of his targets so destroyed it looked like they had been caked in red whine. He also worked as a train conductor to get around America to his targets quicker. As conductor he started an Urban Legend called the Rail Tracer which is a shadowy monster that devours the passengers on the train and the train itself.
Vino is confirmed to be the greatest assassin in the world by multiple sources and the creator of Baccano! Even states that Vino/Claire is one of two of the strongest characters in the Baccano! series. Baccano! Includes immortals, super powered gangsters and homunculus. And if Claire wanted to he could beat down the entire cast in 30 pages or less.
My counter to some of your strategy
Alright first off Raiden will never hit Claire....with bullets at least. Being on a train will not hamper Claire in the slightest.
In this scene Claire is called the red monster (He was covered in the blood of his enemies and it made him sort of look demonic. Hence he was acting as the rail tracer to defeat the train hijackers.) Anyway Claire dodges multiple bullets and even rolls out of the way of machine gun fire. The sniper shooting at him is called Spike and his known for his accuracy.
Its told from Spike's point of view as he tries to gun down Claire/The red monster. Oh and yes it takes place on a moving train
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From the shaking of the train Spike determined the angle of the curve it was running along. He calculated the trajectory of the bullet, and quickly pulled the trigger.
"Here goes. Bang!"
There was a gunshot. One of the silhouettes fell.
It was the one in the black dress--Chane. despite being on top of a speeding train, Spike's bullet had found its mark.
"Too bad for you, darling. But you're only going to get in our way when we force Master Huey's blessing off of him."
Spike whistled, then aimed for the red shadow.
"Now hurry up and finish her off, Mr. Monster!"
Spike was watching the monster from afar, but he was not particularly scared. In the daylight it was obvious that he was no beast or dragon of some sort. Spike was a skeptic at its finest--he was certain that the red monster was a human being.
And there was nothing to be scared of when facing down a person.
He would snipe the person's torso before he could get here, and once the target had stopped moving, he would end things with a shot to the head. It was simple.
He believed that, as long as he didn't mess up his timing, his skills guaranteed him certain victory.
But the red silhouette did not move. It felt as though its eyes were staring right at Spike.
"Hey, hey. The hell? Hurry up and kill Chane…"
His words trailed off as his heart began beating ferociously.
The red silhouette was moving. It was running along the roof at an unbelievable pace, straight towards Spike.
"The hell?! This is crazy! He's too fast!"
Although Spike's words were panicked, his eyes and trigger finger were deadly calm. The red silhouette was running straight, without moving to the side. It almost looked like a red bullet flying over the roofs.
Spike took aim and pulled the trigger.
"Die."
But the moment he pulled the trigger, the red silhouette turned for the first time and evaded the bullet.
"What?! The hell is this?!"
He aimed again and fired.
But the silhouette again evaded the bullet's trajectory just as Spike pulled the trigger.
He fired two, three times. The same events repeated themselves.
"Can that bastard see my finger?!" Spike asked in shock, and pulled the trigger again. But there was nothing but a quiet click.
He was out of ammo. Spike finally began to wonder if he really was facing a human being, and began to experience true fear.
"Damn it! How about this?!"
He pushed aside his gun and took out his contingency weapon.
It was a large and rugged gun, completely different from a sniper rifle--the Lewis Automatic Machine Gun, created by Americans and used by the British.
"A red monster like you should just turn into red meat!" Spike yelled, as the gun spewed out bullets at a rate of five hundred rounds per minute.
Even the red monster was forced to stop. It looked like it rolled across the roof, then it fell over the edge. It was likely near the middle of the dining car, two cars away from where Spike was.
Spike found himself trying to whistle, but failed because of his chattering teeth.
The monster could try to come up to the roof again. He remained vigilant as he carefully took aim at the vicinity of the roof from which the monster had fallen.
But he saw no sign of the monster coming back up.
He let out a sigh or relief, and felt his heart slowly return to its regular rhythm. He looked up at the freight car rooftop again, and saw Chane still sitting where he had shot her before. It looked as though she hadn't managed to die.
"What an annoying bitch. Sometimes the best-trained dogs are the worst."
Spike tried to aim his scope in order to land the killing shot, but naturally no such thing existed on a Lewis Gun.
"Damn. I'm really off today." He said, as he took hold of his sniper rifle. "Right, gotta reload."
He could not find his reloader. He had probably left it back at the coupling.
Spike climbed down and found when he was looking for.
"Shit, seriously…"
But the moment he reached out to the box on the platform by the coupling, a dark red arm reached out from under the train and took hold of his right hand.
"!"
A powerful force dragged Spike under. He could not even scream as he was pulled under the coupling.
The moment before he hit the ground, Spike came to a realization.
'No wonder we never ran into this guy on the train--'
Spike could see a surprisingly wide space under the cars, filled with all kinds of machinery. He could see the red silhouette skillfully clinging to the metal ornamentations.
'This bastard… he hasn't been travelling over or through the train… he's been going under them!'
Soon there was an impact on his head, followed by eternal darkness.
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Here is the scene in anime. They didn't animate the entire thing and its told more from Claire and Chane's view then Spike's. Baccano! Is a series that tends to jump around a lot.
Watch 3:38 to 4:17
http://www.watchcartoononline.com/baccano-episode-13-english-dubbed
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Even if Claire and Raiden get into a close encounter and Raiden fires it won't make much of a difference.
Here in this scene he is taking revenge on a woman named Adelle. Adelle cut his fiances cheek (Adele wields a long spear as a woman has been able to hold her own against bullet timers such as Claire's fiance) Claire doesn't kill her but the feat he pulls off to get even for his fiance is nothing short of ridculous.
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The spearwoman nodded, immediately springing into action. Soundlessly she approached Firo as he strode unaware toward the elevator, lifting her spear and stabbing it at the back of his head in one fluid motion.
"Ah..."
The cruel point came to a stop just before it reached its target.
Vino had stepped in between them and grabbed the tip of the spear between his fingers. Adelle had struck with intent to kill, and yet that fatal blow had been stopped by the strength of Vino's index finger and thumb alone.
(Impressive strength showing and its his smallest one)
"Impossible..."
In a way, it shocked her even more than Ronnie's impossible feat had the day before.
"Hey, what do you think you were trying to do to my friend?" Vino asked, his voice suddenly cold.
"Thanks, Claire. I owe you one." Firo sounded grateful but not surprised, as though such near misses happened all the time.
"It's Felix." Vino, for his part, sounded almost bored.
"Try not to make him angry," Firo called to Christopher. "As far as I know, he's the strongest human being on the planet."
"Strongest human being on the planet? Yeesh, you're embarrassing me," Vino said, laughing. But the monstrous strength of his fingers didn't lessen in the slightest. Adelle gave a hard tug to free her weapon but it didn't budge. It felt like the spear was caught in a mechanical vise.
Vino stared thoughtfully at Adelle and muttered, "Hold on, a woman with a spear... Hey, it's you, isn't it? You're the one who gave Chane that cut on her cheek..."
Christopher decided enough was enough and leveled his gun at Vino, his smile looking distinctly strained.
"I think it's time you left."
He fired three shots, but the dry cracks were immediately swallowed by three sharp clangs that echoed in the air.
Vino had swiveled instantly, bringing the slender blade of Adelle's spear up and using it as a shield to deflect the bullets. The slightest mistake in calculating the path of any of the three bullets would have cost him his life, but Vino hadn't even broken a sweat. In fact, he seemed more concerned with Adelle, staring critically at her face.
"...Hmm. I guess that makes us even."
Suddenly, Adelle felt something trickle down her cheek.
One of Christopher's deflected bullets had grazed her cheek, leaving a thin cut running down her face. It looked exactly like the one that she herself had given to Chane.
"You did that on purpose, didn't you?" Christopher asked, his smile growing even wider as he realized just what Vino was capable of. Vino frowned, trying to understand what that smile meant, but a new voice broke into his thoughts.
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As you can see Vino/Claire easily blocked the bullets with the woman's own spear and even made the scratch her face.
Here is him dodging bullets at point blank range.
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Vino had stopped the blades from reaching his neck, but they were still pointing at him. Which meant that the barrels of the guns they were attached to were also facing the same direction.
"Goodbye," Christopher said, and pulled both triggers.
But neither bullet reached its mark.
Vino had leaped straight up the moment Christopher's fingers tightened on the triggers, using his wrists as an axis to avoid the shots as he vaulted up and over Christopher's head, landing behind him.
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As you can see Raiden is gonna have a hard time hitting Claire with bullets and just in general (I'll show you why in general later)
Alright I got more feats where that came from! But I'll let you reply first before I keep going.

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