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#1 Posted by Skunkstein (591 posts) - - Show Bio

@captain13:

What the hell?! Ive been positive about most of the New 52 stuff, but holy hell, that suit is fugly.

I thought we had better taste in 2014? It looks like the worst ideas of the 90s put together, all he needs is a leather jacket to put over the tight suit and a punch of pouches.

#2 Posted by Skunkstein (591 posts) - - Show Bio

@moon711:

Whaaat? Ive been away from comics short to a year and now Wally is back, which is great news, but he is black? And he has changed personality? Great, now im proberly gonna get called a racist for not liking having Wally as my favorite Flash anymore.

#3 Posted by Skunkstein (591 posts) - - Show Bio

Im trying to get into Thor a little bit more, i read him at one point but got away from him again...

I know Thors history and im not in a special need to read anything nessecary to his history or story, but id like to read some cool stories with some crazy feats, like what are some good books when he became Rune King Thor?

#4 Posted by Skunkstein (591 posts) - - Show Bio

I disliked the Nolan trilogy before it was cool...

Im on the fence though, because i really, really like the movies as a movie fan, but i really, really dislike them as a Batman fan, but then again... i dislike all the Batman films, be it Burton, Schumacher or Nolan... as a Batman fan they got the character equally wrong. Nolans movies are vastly supperior to both in storytelling and overall crafting, and if i wasnt a Batman fan i bet the Nolan movies would have made me one, but as a guy who read the comics first, no director captured Batman as i imagined him and sadly it made me hate all the movies and i cant watch them and enjoy them today, its too bad but its a personal thing. Lets hope Snyder gives me the Batman i want, i loved MoS.

#5 Posted by Skunkstein (591 posts) - - Show Bio

Spider-Mans time is done, he had a good run.... the new movies are good... but in two years time, its all about Justice League and Avengers. Sony will be left behind, Spider-Man will lose his importance and hype as more Marvel movies come out and more Avengers movie come out.

This is surely to happend if not Marvel somehow gets the rights back to Spider-Man or i sadly see him dissapear completly, only still living strong on the raimi series.

My money would be on that Superman, Batman and Avengers are the heavy hitters in 2020, were Spider-Man will have faded almost completly away in the background.

#6 Posted by Skunkstein (591 posts) - - Show Bio

@jwalser3 said:

Surprised to see people actually liking it.

Im surprised to see anyone not LOVING this.

#7 Posted by Skunkstein (591 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger said:

@skunkstein said:

Ah youre one of those guys.

I'm one of which guys now?

@skunkstein said:

A realistic picture of how a super fight between gods? Lets critique the movie for showing it correct, alright...

Oh please do show me the error of my misbegotten ways and my sinful views on Man of Steel.

@skunkstein said:

It would be better ofcause if Superman just threw around jokes left and right and went to eat shawarma right after snapping Zods neck.

It would have been better if Superman cared about the city and civilians he was destroying left, right and centre in his fight with Zod. It would have been better if we could see that he had the makings to become the inspirational figure of hope that Superman represents to the world both fictionally and realistically. But of course we get a Nolanised gritty and depressing figure that sucks out everything that makes Superman who he is. It ruins the core of Superman's character and screws over his morality just because the director and writer didn't want to leave any so called 'plot holes' of which there are many in the film.

@skunkstein said:

How much do you try to make yourself objective when stating opinions? Do you normally hate destruction in movies? Or are you nitpicking because this was Superman? And in your head a true Superman doesnt cause destruction, he stops it... even though that in MoS we had a very inexperianced Superman and in practically every Superman comic, a neighbourhood is destroyed and public destruction and fighting is commen.

It's not nitpicking if there are genuine, gaping and utterly critical flaws with a film. And it isn't possible to be objective about practically anything. All our statements are really based on opinions and our views and your post doesn't differ from mine in that regard. But mine is also based on my passion for Superman as a character. And no I don't hate destruction in movies, I hate it when the most moral and good natured hero is the cause for so much destruction and death in a film that it's impossible to idolise or look up to him in the slightest without feeling disgusted at what he's been turned into. In the comics, Superman is clearly shown trying to minimise destruction, protect those in danger and rescue anyone who needs help. In MOS he's so focused on pummelling Zod that he causes more destruction than the villain does. And that's the sad truth about MOS when Superman doesn't act heroic at all.

@skunkstein said:

And not to forget that 95% of the destruction was from Zod personally or the world engine.

I'm aware of that but in the fight afterwards, most of the destruction was clearly caused by Superman as well as Zod. Superman had a more personal hand in the destruction than Zod did.

@skunkstein said:

Snyder didnt hide the destruction in a sugarcoating of jokes and fun, he wanted to show how people struggle and how people would suffer if such a thing actually happended, he wasnt afraid to show how bleak it all is.

And in doing so, he desecrated the heart of what makes Superman the hero he is. Superman would try and save everyone. He'd struggle and make mistakes but he would help. He would get Zod away from a populated area, he would prevent collateral damage, he would look out for people in danger. It wasn't a lack of fear that made Snyder show off the destruction of Metropolis, it was his hacked off idea that it would look good on the big screen. Overlooking the crucial fact that it ruined everything Superman stands for and represents. And in the other film you reference, the heroes actually make an effort to help people amid the chaos. There's a clear sign that they're helping people which is more than can be said for the disgrace of a hero that MOS Superman was.

I just disagree 100%

This is what i wrote when the movie came out:

We are here ofcause talking about Superman snapping Zods neck:

It is very clear (for me atleast) that this is the last killing we will see Superman do in the movies! But, because we have always been set up for a story where there in no chance in hell Superman would ever pull a move like that, it makes a lot of situations moot and uninteresting. Now alot of people will watch the future movies with that scene in mind... ''Will Superman kill this guy?'' ''Could he pull the move again?'', there will be a feeling of uneasiness which makes a lot of scenes much more interesting.

A problem objectivly with Superman was that he was too far away from the typical moviegoer, people who dont read his comics but only know of him through pop culture, tv, movies.. people who have an idea of who he is, but not really.

People couldnt relate to him. By doing the Zod killing scene they made him much more human, he reacted like we would, we get to see him shape into the being thats holier than thou, we get to understand him and why he becomes who he is!

Alot of people also never understood why Superman was such a boy scout, why didnt he kill?! whats the reason behind his actions? We know why Spider-Man and Batman reacts as they do, we understand where they come from... But for a lot of people - Superman just... was, he just came here to earth and started doing his thing.

He was boring, too vanilla, too conservative, he wasnt cool - atlest not for the average joe.

I would have hated the scene where he killed Zod if he simply stood afterwards expresionless, but the anquish he shows afterwards just sealed it for me! IT WAS AWESOME! He felt how horrible it was to take another beings life, this is obviosly going to change him, this is what makes him see that there should ALWAYS be another way!

Besides... Superman have always been my favorite hero! im in my twenties, and im always trying to get my younger nephews to see the awesomeness that is Superman, ive also been working as a teacher for children the age of 6-13, they never digged him, it was always Batman that(who is also badass btw), Dragonball this Iron Man and Spider-Man... Superman was ''gay and boring'', which was sad, because i always saw him as a hero who shouldnt just be for the conservative old fan base who was now in theyre 20-50s. When Zack Snyder pulls moves like these, he made him apeal to a younger audience, they make him ''in'' again, its soo good to hear kids talking about Superman again!

My biggest wish for Man of Steel was that it would give Superman a comeback! and it has!! Thanks for modernizing him in such ways.

To end things i want to adress the whole idea of a no killing rule:

Face it, in a comic book setting, with thousand of heroes, super prisons, the Green Lantern corp and their cells etc. etc. there is ways to get away with imprisoning super powered villians, and even in a comic book setting they always break free and kill a few millions every couple of years... which when you think about it actually make the heroes insanely incompetent, still it works because its comics.

In a movie, it doesnt work with a strict no killing rule, you HAVE to rethink things, to make them work - besides these are likely the events that will make Kal-El take upon him his no killing rule.

People have to put their almost zealot fanatism towards Superman to rest, he isnt holy he isnt a sacred artifact, its okay to change him sometimes, its okay to modernize him, if you dont like that... ignore this media and go read his comics from the 90s and 80s, i choose to ignore his games, because they suck and i hate how they translate him in those, i just go for the material i like - the movies(with a few exceptions, lol) and the comics, i also hate Smallville but i like his animated shows and so on.

Okay, it always saddens me how much i have to spell it out for them what happended in the Metropolis fighting scene:

- Zod was responsible for 95% of all destruction.

- Superman couldnt take him out of the city, since everytime he did, Zod punched him right back.

- Superman had never used his powers in that extent before.

- Zod made it clear that he would kill every single person on the planet if Superman left him alone.

- Only TWO things could have happend - Superman fought and killed Zod IN Metropolis or Zod killed Superman and destroyed the world.

- If you know Superman you would know that the modern Superman when he was starting out was shown as hotheaded, inexperianced and sometimes dangerous to his surroundings.

- Also its a perfect way to introduce other heroes in the DC universe, Batman will likely be a reaction to Superman as an alien and the destruction that came from it.

Superman showd plenty of heroism in the movie, especially for the kind of Superman origin it was - this isnt the Superman from the comics, that flies around in a sunday saving cats in trees, this is a movie about what made him into the guy that saves kittens from trees.

#8 Posted by Skunkstein (591 posts) - - Show Bio

@lvenger said:

@comicstooge said:

@lvenger said:

@the_stegman said:

@wolverine08: Eh, to me, MOS was just as good origins wise, plus with better action scenes and more stunning visuals.

I didn't know destruction porn enough to make Michael Bay's work look tame and depressing terrorist imagery made for more stunning visuals. I got bored by how much action was crammed into the end and that's a serious failing of the film when the action makes one bored.

Terrorist imagery? O_o

The destroyed buildings from the World Engine and Superman's fight with Zod have been likened in multiple sources to extreme terrorist imagery given the amount of destruction both cause.

Ah youre one of those guys.

A realistic picture of how a super fight between gods? Lets critique the movie for showing it correct, alright...

It would be better ofcause if Superman just threw around jokes left and right and went to eat shawarma right after snapping Zods neck.

How much do you try to make yourself objective when stating opinions? Do you normally hate destruction in movies? Or are you nitpicking because this was Superman? And in your head a true Superman doesnt cause destruction, he stops it... even though that in MoS we had a very inexperianced Superman and in practically every Superman comic, a neighbourhood is destroyed and public destruction and fighting is commen.

And not to forget that 95% of the destruction was from Zod personally or the world engine.

Snyder didnt hide the destruction in a sugarcoating of jokes and fun, he wanted to show how people struggle and how people would suffer if such a thing actually happended, he wasnt afraid to show how bleak it all is.

#9 Posted by Skunkstein (591 posts) - - Show Bio

Man of Steel, Winter Soldier was cool, but Man of Steel was the best movie for me.

#10 Posted by Skunkstein (591 posts) - - Show Bio

It was aweful, i enjoyed next to nothing in it, the whole Hit-girl segment was cringe worthy, i was rolling my eyes the whole way through, and the payoff to that god awful 40 mins or something was horrible..

Jim Carrey was awesome, too bad he was in the movie for about 7 mins, the last fight was boring and mediocre (execpt Hit-Girl vs MR) I really didnt see the need for Kick-Ass's training if he only got buff, but besides that nothing changed what so ever.