SiycoBat

-screeches and squeals like a total fangirl- Another reason to buy this game!!!

@shackle: This.

Deadshot, King Shark, Captain Boomerang, Harley Quinn, and Yo-yo.

@dementedtheclown said:

@SiycoBat: She'd just not Harley, Harleys underrated and written badly. Shes a fun loving cutie, a girly girl who crushes hard on joker.

This Harley is just a borring ass Joker clone. Might as well have named her she-joker.

Anyone who knows anything, knows this new Harley is a shit excuse for a character, and was only made because of the success of the arkham games, and writers never knowing what to do with the real one.

Brian Azzarello's Harley, was a slut, a drug addict, and an interesting character, but she was STILL Harley. Harley has a distinct personality, when you change that your left with a completely different character.

Brian Azzarello's Harley?

Uh...you do realize that she had no lines and no personality in that novel, right? She was pretty much the silent moll that followed Joker's orders and had zero depth.

Suicide Squad Harley had a lot more depth and personality than Azzarello's Harley that pretty much just stood by in the sidelines looking pretty most of the time.

By your logic from the example you made to me, the true Harley is the one that dresses up in a jester costume and allows herself to be the Joker's arm candy.

And you know, you're right. It was because of the success of the Arkham games, that decided Harley's redesign in the reboot but you have to consider what triggered the designs of the Arkham games too. As far as I can remember, I always saw fans making fanart of Harley that deviated from Harley's original costume into more modern variations, whether conservative or skimpy, depending on the trends of the time, especially the time when The Dark Knight movie came out in 2008 and people began to experiment on a TDK version of Harley. Now that I think about it, I think that the idea of a more slutty Harley came right from the Brian Azzarello's novel which came out in that same year.

The reasons why Harley was hard to write about in the comics was because Harley's cartoony version did not fit the darker, more serious and more violent atmosphere of the comics. I've even heard people say long ago that Harley should have stayed in the cartoons and out of the comics and before Harley even made it into the comics, people were agreeing that Harley and Joker were able to having something in the cartoons but argued that there was no way that Harley can handle the comic Joker's brand of crazy and maintain a "relationship" with him. Another thing that was a problem was trying to keep the comics Joker in the Bruce Timm box of being Harley's on-and-off boyfriend without compromising Joker's character of being a dangerous and psychopathic villain. Needless to say, it didn't work out which is why Joker and Harley were broken up in 2007 The Clown at Midnight so to experiment with how to keep Harley in the comics and make her into a stronger person which the cartoons didn't really give the chance for.

I get that you hate SS Harley but if you're gonna try to find a version to make your point, you were better off sticking with the cartoon version.

@SpideyIvyDaredevilFan26: That's your opinion. Making money off of a relationship that is dragging Harley down as a character is just a total waste and reduces Harley to nothing more than a pretty accessory for a guy that treats her worse than dirt. I'd rather be an optimistic fool that continues to push for a stronger and independent Harley than a pessimistic one that just gives up.

@akbogert: The New 52 one has her fun moments like that one time when the squad was getting shot at but Harley just treated it as normal as she ate icecream but yeah, she's not as fun or as playful as you are used to seeing her. I can see that. But I don't think one has a lot of time for much fun of that kind when it's in a book like Suicide Squad.

@SupBatz: I never said that I didn't like Harley being cartoony. I said that it was good when Harley was making her mark because that's how people recognize her. The cartoony Harley will always have a place in my heart but she's still a baby when compared to how long the most famous heroes and villains were in comics and how many reboots that have happened on them in the past 80 years until a standard was finally set for a character and what changes worked. Her being rebooted and experimenting on her character in the mainstream was only gonna be a matter of time. IMO, as long as her core background and core traits about the character are not compromised and that they actually challenge her emotionally and mentally as well as physically, I have no complaints.....yet.

@NovaDawg: I can agree that Gotham City Sirens had its good runs but it left me with a sour taste when Harley went back to Joker at the end of the series. I would also suggest the Harley Quinn solo series since it truly shows Harley being independent.

@Joygirl: Well, that's your own opinion. Concerning what I've read of her in what comics series and cartoons I could get my hands on, the New 52 one is still Harley despite the redesign and the new self-esteem and self-claimed independence. You say that she is different but in what real way was her history or personality destroyed?

She is still identified as a former psychologist that fell in love with the Joker and was a blonde. She is still identified as flirty and bubbly and was considered as comedy relief. She is still identified, in my eyes, as Harleen "Harley Quinn" Quinzel. This is not a different character, this is a different interpretation that has indeed improved on the original whether you want to admit or not. Sure you guys had different expectations of how the character would evolve but I would rather risk New 52 Harley and get the improvements than doing the foolish thing of asking to go back to square one with Harley continuing to have co-dependence issues and having extreme low self-esteem and still make the wrong choices despite her true friends' (Ivy and Selina's) warnings.

No sympathy or relativity? I could see people that have been in abusive relationships easily identifying with Harley and instead of staying, she moves away from him that could give these people with bad partners hope in moving away from their toxic relationships instead of doing the dangerous thing of continue to kick a dead horse like the old one portrayed and implied in the comics and cartoons. New Harley is much more sympathetic since she did not choose to be a villain, it was forced on her and her relationship is still viewed as tragic because of what was stolen from her because of the Joker.

I never said that you said she was a slut. The complaints I hear are not just from you, Joygirl, it's from every forum, website, and people online I come across however I found it pretty strange that you would call her powerless despite being able to hold her own in the fights I've seen in SS.

I've read your reason as to why you think that Harley is a different character but I really don't think she's so drastically different because of that.

The "Multiple Harley" Idea did nothing but emphasis that she is nothing but a toy to the Joker. Regardless if it is true or not or whether Harley was the first or last, it still falls in line with Harley being manipulated and used by the Joker as it was said by Batman in Mad Love and how it was always implied in the comics and cartoon.

She may not be cartoony funny or cartoony cute as she was with the old one, but she's funny and cute in her own way and if you don't want to understand that, then that's fine by me. Different strokes for different folks. But to say that Harley was ruined or somehow made worse, just leaves me scratching my head when I continue to read SS and thinking about all of her past appearances and roles throughout her existence.

Sorry but we're gonna have to agree to disagree on this on.

The 1992 cartoony Harley was good of its time and her drama with Joker was okay back in that time before Mad Love came out but I cannot tolerate her being around the Joker if she's only gonna be abused and used by him. It's been proven that Joker only sees her as a toy in SS and there is no logical or sane point in having her around the Joker if romance was the deciding issue. It's not just with romance that held the character back, it's her constant co-dependence issues and role of being the punchline for other peoples' jokes. I'm gonna say it, the old Harley was weak-willed, dependent, had extremely low self-esteem and let her need to be in a relationship she has with one man define her entire existence and purpose.

Despite the superficial changes made to Harley's appearance, she was the same bubbly clown girl we know but upped her jokes and her self-esteem. She no longer sees herself as someone to be walked on and take unnecessary hits for. She's no longer a doormat and despite her affections for Deadshot and the surveillance on them both, it's clear that she expects herself to be treated like a human being with talents and dreams. But it seems like no one can get past her new redesigned appearance rather than the personality.

All I hear is complaints of how she's a slut (even though everyone keeps forgetting about her tryst with Jimmy Olsen in her own comic series and that she slept with her professor to get her psych degree pre-Flashpoint), weak (uh...I guess nobody has read SS#16 when she killed that Cobra lady with the electrical barb on her tail), how she's a female Joker (this, as much as I tried to get it, it still doesn't make much sense since Harley is more human than Joker regardless of the chemical bath and was proven in SS#15.)

Regardless of the hate she gets, I've truly grown to love this Harley because in a way, she has surpassed her old predecessor by finally getting the guts to leave Joker for good and gained some well-deserved self-esteem and independence of her own character.