@Roxanne Starr: I like him already

@Silkcuts said:

I know, it use to be therapy, since it is not as much anymore, I am debating on doing more for me, such as my book I want to write. Yeah, I noticed the Vine hired a whole bunch of new staff reviewers... and it kind of is offensive since I think I am just as good or even better then them.  Those guys were outsiders as well as I can tell.  I earned my place on this site.  I really should step-back and only just keep contact with people via PMs.

Or just chat publicly on the Madame October thread....since all the posters on the MO thread don't give a rat's a$$ about their professional reputations. None of us has anything to prove.  XD  I'm signing off now. Tomorrow is Another Day!

I know, it use to be therapy, since it is not as much anymore, I am debating on doing more for me, such as my book I want to write. Yeah, I noticed the Vine hired a whole bunch of new staff reviewers... and it kind of is offensive since I think I am just as good or even better then them.  Those guys were outsiders as well as I can tell.  I earned my place on this site.  I really should step-back and only just keep contact with people via PMs.

@Silkcuts: 
 
There's no future in working so hard for ComicVine, Kevin. There's no money in it...Remember?  LOL!

@Silkcuts: 
 
You have a job?  XD  This is really weird. I have never asked you what you do for a living...and that's a question that I ask everybody (especially people who PM me). I guess that's because I never thought that you were anybody else but Kevin. :-)

@Silkcuts: 
 

Oh, shoot!

  I was going to scan another song from the Alan Moore Songbook this morning, but forgot. :(    And now I'm not home and will have to do a little more shopping for Memorial Day dinner and then.......sorry, Silk, it won't happen today (unless you have a song handy to scan).  Hint, hint.

Oh, shoot!

@Hawkeye446 said:

@Roxanne Starr said:

@Hawkeye446 said:

@Silkcuts: Perhaps you should give Mr Moore a call, and he can help :D

Or Silk could just stay away from the "Bright Lights" and just stay in touch by posting only on the Madame October thread.  No one can put on a killer Fashion Show like Silkcuts!!!

Haha, you are really pulling for that thread :D

Duder, it kind of is the hot spot.

@Roxanne Starr said:

@Hawkeye446 said:

@Silkcuts: Perhaps you should give Mr Moore a call, and he can help :D

Or Silk could just stay away from the "Bright Lights" and just stay in touch by posting only on the Madame October thread.  No one can put on a killer Fashion Show like Silkcuts!!!

Haha, you are really pulling for that thread :D

@Hawkeye446 said:

@Silkcuts: Perhaps you should give Mr Moore a call, and he can help :D

Or Silk could just stay away from the "Bright Lights" and just stay in touch by posting only on the Madame October thread.  No one can put on a killer Fashion Show like Silkcuts!!!

@Hawkeye446 said:

@Silkcuts: Perhaps you should give Mr Moore a call, and he can help :D

Or Silk could just stay away from the "Bright Lights" and just stay in touch by posting only on the Madame October thread.  No one can put on a killer Fashion Show like Silkcuts!!!

@Silkcuts: Perhaps you should give Mr Moore a call, and he can help :D

I wish I could say I'm surprised, but I've been off CV for a while, and although disheartening, the general entropy is at the moment inevitable. 

I wish I could say I'm surprised, but I've been off CV for a while, and although disheartening, the general entropy is at the moment inevitable. 

I know exactly what you're saying here, the state of the medium, or at least the American Mainstream medium, is basically flushing itself down the bog with all the other turds to accompany it. I don't want to read about another bloody event involving EVERYONE EVER TO BE IN COMICS so close after the last one. It will only bring more of the same "nothing will ever be the same again" comments that are meaningless.  Marvel tried something different by republishing Euro comics in English, and that directive appears to have failed. People don't want to read them in America for some reason because they hold something different to other comics, there's intelligence and grit and reality in them that you don't find in American hero comics. You find grit and grim and all that realistic stuff but it ISN'T THE SAME portrayal of stark reality. It's a hypo-realistic reality where the bad stuff is EVEN WORSE and the good stuff is ignored because it ain't great. When you read the failed experience of variety and diversity in comics, Crossgen and Milestone, they read better and burn harder and brighter than other mainstream counterparts.  I try to test out everything as well as hero comics, because I want to be challenged and I want to understand comics the way they should be understood. I have my girlfriend peddling all ages comics to her kids at school because at least some of them will grow up and explore comics the way we are. I've got next to my bed League of Extrodinary Gentlemen Black Dossier, Essential Defenders, Scott McClouds Understanding comics and a Graphic Novel book from the English publisher Comi.x called .45.  To know comics, and to read comics is to be a comic fan. Everyone else is just a fan of superheroes.

Wow, really good article dude, I've only read a few Vertigo titles but want to submerse more into its world, but I don't know where to start or what's good half the time, plus sometimes they're so gosh darn expensive lol

@Silkcuts: Well I look forward to your Graphic Novel then! It best be good! :D

@Silkcuts: I so much understand you.  It's been so long I dropped the mainstream comics and considering doing also with the Vine because I was frustrated with the editors line. So much has changed since the 90's, and yet I had the feeling it has only changed for the worse : storyline running in a circle. Truth is, my feeling is bad about the market of mainstream comics, because Marvel and DC are building their strategy on the ground that their readers are between 12 and 18 and fact is, and truth is, this kind of people are no longer the absolute majority of their demography.  They have loosing most of their readership because on the way, it was growing more mature, and probably tired of status quo worshipping and Marvel/DC aren't and yet, they persevere, and wonder why their sales plummet...  I still get on the Vine, because, let's be honest, I love it here, but every time I hear "Nothing will be the same." and all that stuff, I can't get hold on a bitter smile on my face.   Well, your post is refreshing by its clarity.

Wow, really good article dude, I've only read a few Vertigo titles but want to submerse more into its world, but I don't know where to start or what's good half the time, plus sometimes they're so gosh darn expensive lol

I know exactly what you're saying here, the state of the medium, or at least the American Mainstream medium, is basically flushing itself down the bog with all the other turds to accompany it. I don't want to read about another bloody event involving EVERYONE EVER TO BE IN COMICS so close after the last one. It will only bring more of the same "nothing will ever be the same again" comments that are meaningless. 
 
Marvel tried something different by republishing Euro comics in English, and that directive appears to have failed. People don't want to read them in America for some reason because they hold something different to other comics, there's intelligence and grit and reality in them that you don't find in American hero comics. You find grit and grim and all that realistic stuff but it ISN'T THE SAME portrayal of stark reality. It's a hypo-realistic reality where the bad stuff is EVEN WORSE and the good stuff is ignored because it ain't great. When you read the failed experience of variety and diversity in comics, Crossgen and Milestone, they read better and burn harder and brighter than other mainstream counterparts. 
 
I try to test out everything as well as hero comics, because I want to be challenged and I want to understand comics the way they should be understood. I have my girlfriend peddling all ages comics to her kids at school because at least some of them will grow up and explore comics the way we are. I've got next to my bed League of Extrodinary Gentlemen Black Dossier, Essential Defenders, Scott McClouds Understanding comics and a Graphic Novel book from the English publisher Comi.x called .45. 
 
To know comics, and to read comics is to be a comic fan. Everyone else is just a fan of superheroes.

@Silkcuts: 

Truly Inspirational man. This is what Comics is about. I still can't believe you are considering Leaving the Vine.. *sigh*

Good luck with your book man. (I guess I am lame but I didn't like Tomorrow Stories.)

We must blaze our own trail in the final days of the printed page. Do not be discouraged. The Digital Age of comics is Dawning! And we the Veterans and carryovers of the Golden, Silver, Bronze, and Modern ages are burdened with fomenting our passions history.  How much fail before the inevitable success? If I can enlighten or enhance just one fellow reader's perception of the form... you know what I mean. 

Why be original or daring when you can be popular?   With the exception of Grant Morrison's work, DC and Marvel have both hit intellectual low points, but now it seems Vertigo may be raped in order to appeal to the same unsophisticated masses as Green Lantern V4 and Bendis' Avengers. It's sad, but as usual, it comes down to the fact that people would rather make money than ideas.

 This article made me think of two things. 
1. This comic.   



and 2. Marvel's chief Editor Tom Breevort said that  
  

 
 http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/05/11/angry-comic-book-fans-sales/

Man I loved your comments of how Johns mined Moore´s work in the GL, it´s so true (and I´ve read just a glimpse of Moore´s work in this tittle) ans the whole semiotics thing (the got lost in translation was awesome) - Look, honestly, I know your passion for comics and I´m sorry that you feel this way, but I think (like almost everything in life) that the industry doesn´t have a focus or a main trend to be the foundation of comics stories, like in the 80s when drugs, sexuality and crime were trend topics, so the writers leaned in to these and the stories were almost everything about sex, drugs and crime - What are comics now? That´s a good question, and I guess there isn´t a reliable answer to that - Geoff Johns tried to bring to the table in BD # 24 a wake up call for the environment, I thought of it like a Green Wake or the Greenpeace´s victory in comics, but saving the planet isn´t strong enough to be a trend topic like when it happened back in the 80s - I´m truly honored to be mentioned by you and I hope that you don´t become a stranger here,´cause I would miss your advices and your good reviews! And I know that many people here love comics with the same passion that you do, the only difference is that they get happy with less and you need more - think about it :))Peace dude

Wow man sorry you feel lost in a world of products that are suppose to be fun. I think many actually feel the same way you do as well. The argument so many mainstream comics are not that entertaining is very valid but also I sometimes wonder if the fanbase they are made for has affected it the books that get so much love online are not read or bought while the stuff they hate is what sells so much the only option is to write in that way. It's not just comics I have noticed tv, movies, music everyone is complaining that nothing is living up to what it could be and so many things feel like they are shrinking in both market and creativity. We can only hope that some day sooner rather than later that comics mostly mainstream can draw attention again I think when the market is healthy and has more blood in it's veins that so many readers and even writers take a chance at something different. That is to say there are not good books being published right now it just feels that if more were reading more writers would be inspired to take such risks.  As for the whole Comics sufferings because of laziness? I thought the same thing I see how fast and quick entertainment has become and how fast it is too consume that it may not interest most people as they'd have to slow down when it is easier to do something fast and quick on their phone. I wonder if the way people absorb and pay attention to things are changing so much that the idea of taking in comics looking at all that is happening in the page is what is being lost.Good luck with your book man. (I guess I am lame but I didn't like Tomorrow Stories.)

 This article made me think of two things. 
1. This comic.   



and 2. Marvel's chief Editor Tom Breevort said that  
  

 
 http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/05/11/angry-comic-book-fans-sales/

Why be original or daring when you can be popular? 
 
With the exception of Grant Morrison's work, DC and Marvel have both hit intellectual low points, but now it seems Vertigo may be raped in order to appeal to the same unsophisticated masses as Green Lantern V4 and Bendis' Avengers. It's sad, but as usual, it comes down to the fact that people would rather make money than ideas.

We must blaze our own trail in the final days of the printed page. 
Do not be discouraged. The Digital Age of comics is Dawning! 
And we the Veterans and carryovers of the Golden, Silver, Bronze, and Modern ages are burdened with fomenting our passions history. 
 
How much fail before the inevitable success? 
If I can enlighten or enhance just one fellow reader's perception of the form... 
you know what I mean. 

Wow man sorry you feel lost in a world of products that are suppose to be fun. I think many actually feel the same way you do as well. The argument so many mainstream comics are not that entertaining is very valid but also I sometimes wonder if the fanbase they are made for has affected it the books that get so much love online are not read or bought while the stuff they hate is what sells so much the only option is to write in that way. It's not just comics I have noticed tv, movies, music everyone is complaining that nothing is living up to what it could be and so many things feel like they are shrinking in both market and creativity. We can only hope that some day sooner rather than later that comics mostly mainstream can draw attention again I think when the market is healthy and has more blood in it's veins that so many readers and even writers take a chance at something different. That is to say there are not good books being published right now it just feels that if more were reading more writers would be inspired to take such risks.  As for the whole Comics sufferings because of laziness? I thought the same thing I see how fast and quick entertainment has become and how fast it is too consume that it may not interest most people as they'd have to slow down when it is easier to do something fast and quick on their phone. I wonder if the way people absorb and pay attention to things are changing so much that the idea of taking in comics looking at all that is happening in the page is what is being lost.

Good luck with your book man. (I guess I am lame but I didn't like Tomorrow Stories.)

Man I loved your comments of how Johns mined Moore´s work in the GL, it´s so true (and I´ve read just a glimpse of Moore´s work in this tittle) ans the whole semiotics thing (the got lost in translation was awesome) - Look, honestly, I know your passion for comics and I´m sorry that you feel this way, but I think (like almost everything in life) that the industry doesn´t have a focus or a main trend to be the foundation of comics stories, like in the 80s when drugs, sexuality and crime were trend topics, so the writers leaned in to these and the stories were almost everything about sex, drugs and crime - What are comics now? That´s a good question, and I guess there isn´t a reliable answer to that - Geoff Johns tried to bring to the table in BD # 24 a wake up call for the environment, I thought of it like a Green Wake or the Greenpeace´s victory in comics, but saving the planet isn´t strong enough to be a trend topic like when it happened back in the 80s - I´m truly honored to be mentioned by you and I hope that you don´t become a stranger here,´cause I would miss your advices and your good reviews! And I know that many people here love comics with the same passion that you do, the only difference is that they get happy with less and you need more - think about it :))
Peace dude