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The only part of this I'm going to contest is the above claim that the Green Knight is "pretty evil". He isn't.

TL;DR: Gilles is one of the closest things the setting has to a Lawful Good Paladin. He was, during his time just a barbarian warlord like Sigmar who wanted to unite his people in the face of a common threat. Teaming up with the Lady and letting her empower his people was how he did that.

Long Version: The Green Knight is more "gray" than evil. Yes, he did help the Lady of the Lake manipulate Bretonnia, but I'd argue that Bretonnia also benefited in some ways from it. After all, the Lady gave Bretonnia its superhuman knights with bullet resistant armor and shields and its magic users both. Without those, Bretonnia might have been wiped out ages ago considering how often Greenskins, Beastmen, Vampires, and Chaos Warriors come knocking. So while the Lady of the Lake was basically using Bretonnia's people, they also in some ways benefitted from that I'd argue. And I think the Green Knight did what he did for exactly that reason; because he calculated that it would make Bretonnia stronger in the long run.

On top of that, the Lady also has a special kind of Heaven reserved for her ladies/damsels and knights when they die, which I'd say is a decent deal all things considered unless I'm missing something. Even male magic users get to become basically Grail Knight-esque bodyguards for her.

Plus, as the Green Knight he does come to his people's aid in times of need and fights to defend them from monsters like the Beastmen, and come the End Times he stepped up to lead his people outright. This suggests he cares about his people at least somewhat (it definitely doesn't seem consistent with an opportunistic jerk).

What is also worth bearing in mind, is the following:

1) Pre-End Times lore, no one knows who or what the Lady is exactly, not even Gilles. And even with ET lore, the Lady is strongly suggested to prefer humans to Elves, hence her empowering Bretonnians, making a special Heaven for them, and even making Louen her lover.

2) Sigmar had the Dwarfs to back his nascent Empire up when it fought Greenskins and later Nagash but the Bretonnians had no one but themselves. When the Lady of the Lake appeared before him and empowered Gilles to fight, there's little qualitative difference from Asuryan powering up Aenarion to fight Chaos or Ulric empowering Magnus the Pious (or for that matter Sigmar empowering his followers). Again, had the Bretonnians not been turned into superhuman knights by the Lady, they likely would have been steamrolled ages ago, meaning they did benefit from their relationship to the Lady in spite of the manipulative elements of it.

3) Finally, treating the Lady as evil because she is an Elven Goddess doesn't really work either. Not least of which because the Elven Gods and the human Gods are often the same, or else heavily implied to be (including the fairly obvious ones like the sea god Mathlann and Mannan, and Khaine being worshiped by humans who form assassin cults similar to what the Dark Elves do).

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@mordhauextreme1: What if I were to say that Crom's sword is made capable of puncturing SCE armor?

And hey, 10-20 ain't bad if even single SCEs are Grail Knight level or slightly above. That means Crom is above 10-20 Grail Knights by your logic. ;)

And, to have the other views:

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@shroudofsorrow: idk how i didnt get ur tag, OT random Grail Knight vs SCE Van? Siding with the SCE in a decent fight, both are super human, both have super human weaponry, both have great armor, but SCE ranks higher due to more years of being active ( most likely ) and hits a higher level

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Bump

I'm now sort of hoping for a Wut/Cheth contest XD

lol unlike myself, wut isn't anywhere as lazy, so yes it will be more entertaining Xd

That one's probably debatable I'd say. Grail Knights are all very long-lived, and not all Stormcast have been fighting for the same length of time.

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@wut: Since I know you've returned, I can now get your thoughts on my WHF/Witcher battles XD

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Regardless of where Borgut ranks as of his time, I would say there are probably at least a few Orks besides Grimgor who are better than him. Gorbad Ironclaw should definitely be.

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#9  Edited By shroudofsorrow

@greysentinel365: That doesn't do anything to prove either Jedi would solo. Being below peak-Vader isn't anything to be ashamed of. None of us subscribe to the "Vader is weak" worldview.

@reaperace: Didn't he also NOT hold back against Caedus at one point, and so beat him soundly?

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@reaperace: Aren't Mara and Streen supposed to be among the best of Luke's New Order? I would think Mara can at least be a good challenge for TPM Maul.