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My Thoughts on the Fantastic Four Reboot

I doubt I'm the only person who's done a blog post to this effect, but nevertheless here it is:

Now, with some new information on the upcoming Fantastic Four reboot being released, most people have gone up in arms over the supposed ludicrous changes. Now, before I go on and give my own personal thoughts on the recently revealed developments, I feel I should stress that some of the information released concerning the film was actually taken out of context. For instance, when they said that the movie would be more "down to Earth", by that they meant more down to Earth in relation to the movies made by Fox, which were garbage anyway. So that's not necessarily anything to get worked up over. And besides that, the MCU films try to lean more towards realism than the comics, and they're still good are they not? Just something to remember.

However, that being said, I do definitely still have some problems with the movie based on what's already been released, and I just thought it best to put my thoughts into words here. So ultimately, having looked at what both sides of the argument have to say, my opinions on it are thus:

Yes, a direct page-to-screen translation has never happened in a Marvel movie before, and would probably be impossible for a couple different reasons, but that being said, there is a difference between taking some creative liberties while still staying true to the fundamental aspects of the characters and their stories, and having something that is "in name only". And honestly, this seems like more of the latter. Besides the Doctor Doom as a computer programmer (which I'll talk more about later), you also have:

  • Problem #1-Reed Richards and Ben Grimm as convenience store clerks: This is not as much of a problem for Ben, since his career is not a defining part of his character, but for Reed I think this is. Let's all be honest here: what Mr. Fantastic is most well known for is not his stretchy powers but his immense intellect, which is frankly a superpower unto itself for him. Reed is the ultimate scientist pretty much, and so to have him be a convenience store clerk, a profession that has absolutely nothing to do with science and doesn't do much to foster a sharp intellect, feels like something that badly undermines one of the core aspects of who Reed Richards is. His being younger I don't mind as much, but his not being in a profession that speaks to one of his defining character traits is something I really do mind. The only way I think this will work is if they make it a sort of "Good Will Hunting" kind of thing, where Reed has this job because he wants to avoid doing something fit for his high intelligence, which would be valid. Otherwise though, this is a problem.
  • Problem #2-Lack of interest in source material: With both one of the main actors and the director both admitting to have never read any Fantastic Four comics and also going out of their way to avoid doing so, I can't help but feel nervous. Do we really want to trust the success of the movie on people who don't care about the source material at all? Look at Joss Whedon's Avengers and Brian Singer's X-Men films: with those movies the directors actually are comic book fans and care about the mythos. Yes, creative liberties were still taken, but the fundamentals were also maintained and the characters treated with respect (mostly). While that could still happen with people who essentially "go in blind" (IE: Warren Ellis and GI Joe Resolute), I think it's a lot less likely to happen, and I feel that once the director makes clear their apathy for the source material and by extension their unwillingness to do their homework on the characters they're doing a movie of, I think it really does hurt the film's chances of doing well with the fan-base, and honestly I think that's the most important thing. While ideally a movie can appeal to everyone, some films still have a target audience, and a comic book movie's target audience should be people who actually care about the characters and their world. If we feel like the film failed to do that, then that is a problem. And let's be honest: that's why the last couple Fantastic Four movies failed, precisely because they just did not do an adequate enough job respecting the mythos. And of course the acting wasn't all that great either.
  • Problem #3-Human Torch's "race lift" and being adopted: This I don't actually have a problem with. After all, Nick Fury got a race-lift in the MCU, and the Ultimate Marvel Universe before that. What I do have a bit of a problem with is the fact that he's adopted rather than being Susan's biological brother, which to me comes off as cheap, and even a little cowardly on the part of the writers. Why can't they have it so that Johnny and Sue come from a mixed-race family, which do exist? Why does he have to be adopted, and thus introduce a whole sub-plot that really isn't necessary and probably won't be very interesting? Why can't it just be that one of their parents was Caucasian and the other was African American? This isn't the 1950s and 60s. That should be possible to show in a movie, especially since the most likely reason Human Torch got a race-lift was to be more progressive. Is a mixed-race family not being progressive?
  • Problem #4-Doctor Doom as a computer programmer/blogger: this obviously is the one everyone's up in arms over, myself included. Now, before I go into anything on this, I feel I should point out that there was an earlier rumor about Doctor Doom being a woman, and that was proven false. Of course, with the actor himself saying this I suppose that pretty much confirms it. In which case, on to the rant. First off, as I made clear in an earlier comment, this aversion to Doctor Doom that Hollywood seems to have really puzzles me. What is it about Doctor Doom that makes his character so unacceptable for the silver screen? Is it because of his armor? Iron Man wears hi-tech armor, so I don't see how that's an issue. His cape perhaps? Not really seeing that either. Thor in the MCU, Magneto in the X-Men movies, Batman in the Nolan films, and Superman, Zod, and Faora in Man of Steel all had capes. And Zod and Faora had both capes and armor, so I don't see how Doctor Doom's appearance is any kind of issue. Is it his personality? There have been grandiose and over-the-top villains in superhero movies before (MCU Loki, Nicholson Joker, etc.) so once again I fail to see the problem. Doom's intellect and backstory are also interesting facets to his character, and I fail to see how either of those should keep him out of a movie. The more mystical and dated elements of the origin can easily be altered without throwing out the whole origin story altogether. In all, I just cannot understand why they felt so compelled to turn Doctor Doom into a computer programmer, which just isn't interesting. Yes, an earlier comment pointed out that Doom does have some similarities to a blogger, but I know I (and clearly many others) don't want to see a team of superheroes be forced to do battle against a...blogger. What's he going to do? Troll them to death? And the fact that this hasn't been done to numerous other movie versions of Marvel villains, many of whom have actually had their basic natures and premises retained, makes the decision to do this to Doom disingenuous and absurd. The only way I see this working, is if this is merely how Doom starts out, and then he becomes the supervillain we all know and love during the course of the film, which I would be willing to accept. Otherwise, this is for me pretty much torpedoes the film, And so, with all of that out of the way, I now go to the last problem I see, which is...
  • Problem #5-In Name Only: Really, this just kind of sums up everything I've already said, and what others have also already said. Again, creative liberties are not wrong, and actually to an extent kind of necessary, but something as extreme and drastic as this is definitely off-putting. And especially when this is one of the most radical examples of it I've seen from Marvel to date, the other big offenders being the 1989 Punisher movie (where he didn't have the skull logo) and the 1990s Captain America movie. While I doubt (and hope) that this film won't fail as hard as those two did, I can't help but fear that it is still going in that direction. And really, what's the point of even doing the movie when it bears next to no resemblance to the source material, including in fundamental ways? You could argue that it's to attract audiences who aren't already fans of the comics, but what happens then? Those people aren't going to become any more likely to get into FF comics precisely because those comics won't resemble this movie. So I don't see much of a long-term gain here. Any sequels that get made I doubt too many hardcore comic fans will see if the first film turns us off so much, and in the end the film loses as many fans as it gains. And the comics probably won't get any. So ultimately, I disagree with the "in name only" approach.

So ultimately, having gone through all of that, I think my views on the film should be pretty clear at this point. Obviously there will be people who will tell me that I should wait until I see the film and then form my own opinion, and to that I will say this: if something new comes along to suggest that the film will be good and worth seeing, then I will change my views accordingly and maybe, just maybe, go see the film. But as of right now this is my stance on the matter, and I do not consider it to be a wrong one since I have looked at the information given about the film and from that information come to a conclusion. I don't see that as being all that unreasonable.

Not demanding that people agree with me though. If anyone wants to see this movie, that's their right. I won't judge. I'm just putting in my own two cents on the matter and seeing what other people think.

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