Jorus C'baoth Respect Thread

Respect Jorus C'baoth:

"We are the Jedi, the ultimate power in the universe. We will do as we choose. And we will destroy any who dare stand in our way."


Telekinesis is the movement of objects and manipulation of reality through the power of the mind.

Jorus telekinetically catches a large missile in mid-air and freezes it in place, then Crushes the missile, causing its body to crumple in on itself:

Seated at opposite ends of the table, the mining and Corporate Alliance representatives had turned in their chairs to stare with a mixture of surprise, fascination, and terror at the missile that had intruded into their solemn proceedings. Between them, half risen from his own chair, C'baoth was holding a hand palm-outward toward the missile, his eyes blazing.

But the missile was no longer moving. It was frozen in midair, halfway between the archway and the table, its thrusters spitting fire uselessly as they tried to drive it forward against C'baoth's Force grip.

"Don't be concerned," the Jedi Master intoned, his voice resonating with power and authority. "So certain parties believe that they know best what is right and just for Barlok, do they? That killing us will bring them their desire? That the influence of violence supersedes the authority of justice?"

The thrusters gave a final sputter and fell silent, and still the missile hung in midair. "Thank you, Master C'baoth-" Obi-Wan said, starting toward the missile.

"Stand fast, Master Kenobi," C'baoth ordered sharply. "That is what our attackers believe, Magistrate Argente; Guild-master Gilfrome," he said, sending a hard look at each end of the table. "Do you believe it, as well?"

Argente found his voice first. "No, of course not," he said, his voice quavering, his eyes locked on the missile that had nearly brought a sudden and violent death to them all.

"Then why do you persist in eroding the legitimate rights of the people of Barlok?" C'baoth demanded. "And you," he added, turning back to Gilfrome's end of the table. "Why do you persist in denying the time and expense the Corporate Alliance has spent in developing resources that would otherwise have forever lain uselessly beneath the soil of your world?"

Gilfrome bristled. "Now, see here, Master C'baoth-"

"No, you see," C'baoth cut in, looking again at Argente. "Both of you see. I have listened to your arguments and your positions and your selfish pettiness. It ends here."

Deliberately, he closed his outstretched hand. With a raucous crackling of stressed metal, the body of the missile crumpled in on itself. "The people of Barlok demand a fair and just decision," he said, more quietly now as he gestured Obi-Wan forward. "I will tell you what that decision is going to be."

Source: Outbound Flight

Jorus employs some form of telekinetic restraint on Chas Uliar, preventing his mouth and tongue from working, as well as his legs.

Jinzler and Mitth'raw'nuruodo were coming toward him .. . and with the rest of the committee still absent, it was all up to him. Taking a deep breath, he opened his mouth to speak.

Or rather, he tried to open it. To his horror, his mouth and tongue refused to work.

He tried again, and again, watching as Jinzler and Mitth'raw'nuruodo closed the gap, his throat and checks straining with his effort. But nothing worked.

And then they were there, right beside him. He tried to step in front of them, to at least keep them here until he could find a way to unfreeze his mouth. But his legs wouldn't work, either. Silently, he watched them pass him by, oblivious to his urgency and agony and helplessness.

"So you think to betray me, Uliar?" a quiet voice came in his ear.

Uliar's neck still worked, but there was no need to turn around. He knew that voice only too well. "Did you really think you could ride a swoop all the way from Dreadnaught-Four without my people in ComOps noticing and alerting me?" C'baoth went on. "So will treason always betray itself."

With a jolt like that of a suddenly released clamp, Uliar felt his mouth being freed from C'baoth's restraint.

Source: Outbound Flight

Jorus casually opens a hatch on a shuttle:

"Jedi Jinzler," C'baoth greeted her. "I have another job for you." He waved a hand casually at the silent shuttle.

The hatch abruptly flew open, spilling Pressor and Mosh out.

Source: Outbound Flight

Jorus displays Force Choke on Thrawn through a video transmission, a feat accomplished whilst he was severely injured and apparently without the need to gesture (there is an illustrated depiction of the scene where he does gesture, but images aren't canon and are often contradictory to novel descriptions):

"Then choose your destiny," Mitth'raw'nuruodo said. "I'm told the role of the Jedi is to serve and defend."

"You were told wrongly," C'baoth countered. "The role of the Jedi is to lead and guide, and to destroy all threats." The unburned corner of his lip twisted upward in a bitter smile.

And without warning, Thrawn's head jerked back, his whole body pressing back against his seat. His hand darted to his throat, clutching uselessly at it.

"Commander!" Doriana snapped, grabbing reflexively for Mitth'raw'nuruodo's collar.

But it was no use. The invisible power that was choking the life out of him wasn't something physical that Doriana might be able to push aside. C'baoth was using the Force . . . and there was nothing Doriana or anyone else could do to stop him.

In a handful of minutes, Mitth'raw'nuruodo would be dead.


But for all the effect the attack had on him, C'baoth might not even have noticed it. His face remained as hard as anvilstone, his eyes burning unblinkingly across the Springhawk's bridge.

And Mitth'raw'nuruodo was still dying.

Doriana curled his hands into helpless fists. So it was finally over. If this second assault had failed to kill C'baoth, it was because he'd hidden himself well away from the vacuum that had now snuffed out all life in the Dreadnaughts' outer sections. Even given the thinner bulkheads and blast doors of the ships' interior sections, there was no way even droid starfighters could clear out the maze of decks and compartments in time.

An odd formation caught his eve as it shot into view outside the canopy: a pair of starfighters flying in close formation with a fat cylinder tucked between them. Not just one pair, Doriana saw now, but ten of them, heading at full speed toward Outbound Flight.

He remembered Kav mentioning this particular project of Mitth'raw'nuruodo's, and the vicelord's contemptuous dismissal of the cylinders as some sort of useless fuel tanks. Frowning, he watched as, in ones and twos, the starfighter pairs drove through the newly blasted holes in the Dreadnaughts' hulls and disappeared inside.

For a moment, nothing happened. Then, abruptly, a haze of pale blue burst outward from the openings, nearly invisible amid the floating clouds of wreckage.

And with a sudden gasp of air, Mitth'raw'nuruodo collapsed forward against his board.

Source: Outbound Flight

Force Meld

Force Meld is a technique that enables a group of Force users to connect their minds together to act as one person.

Obi-Wan states that a Jedi Master required great power and control in the Force to successfully utilize a Jedi meld without killing the others involved, or destroying their minds. Despite this, however, Jorus reveals himself as a repeatedly successful user of the Force Meld technique, shocking Kenobi, and would later use the technique successfully several times again:

"Experience is not always the most important aspect of combat," C'baoth pointed out. "Timing and coordination are also key, and no amount of experience can give ordinary gunners the edge that we already possess. Tell me, Master Skywalker, has Master Kenobi ever spoken to you of the Jedi meld?"

"I don't think so," Anakin said. "What does it do?"

"It permits a group of Jedi to connect their minds so closely as to act as a single person," C'baoth told him.

"It can also be very dangerous," Obi-Wan warned. "It takes a Jedi Master of great power and depth in the Force to create such a state without killing or destroying the minds of everyone involved."

"A Jedi Master such as myself," C'baoth said calmly. "I've successfully performed such a meld on four separate occasions."

Obi-Wan stared at him. "Four?"

"Three were training exercises, of course," C'baoth conceded. "But the fourth was under serious field conditions, with five other Jedi in the meld. As you can see, we came through it successfully."

Source: Outbound Flight

Force Sense

Force Sense is a passive Force power which enables a Force user to feel physical, emotional and mental traits as well as events.

Jorus senses malice directed at his ships and his people:

"No," C'baoth said, his voice dark. "I can sense a deep malice out there, malice directed at my ships and my people."

Source: Outbound Flight

Lorana Jinzler knows that C'baoth can sense her protest:

But there was no reply. C'baoth could undoubtedly sense her protest, but all she could sense in return was his indifference to her anguish, and his determination to continue along the path he'd now set himself upon. It was indeed too late.

Source: Outbound Flight

Barsen'thor Respect Thread

I've decided to move away from the KotOR era, and I'm slowly moving into the TOR era now. I'm deciding to create respect threads for the protagonist characters with whatever canon material I can find which obviously includes game cutscenes and sourcebook entries (the only one at the moment is the TOR encyclopedia, to my knowledge).

Note: Obviously nowhere close to finished. I'll complete it soon. I just need to get a start.

Note: For those of you that don't know, the Barsen'thor is the Jedi Consular protagonist in The Old Republic. I'll be referring to him both as the Barsen'thor and the Jedi Consular or just Consular, sometimes for ease of reference. He has no given name, yet. Of course, the Consular has no canonically confirmed gender, but I'll refer to it as a he because in the versus and class promotional trailers, BioWare's created character was a male, and so I'll use "he" as a reference, but it should be known that this isn't a canonically confirmed gender.

Note: I will be using feats from the trailer, which I deem as likely canonical enough. If you disagree, that's fine, but I do think the feats from the Jedi Consular trailer should be made available. The thread itself is not completed.

With that out of the way, respect the Barsen'thor:

Power and Skill Accolades

The Barsen'thor embodies true skill and dedication, and is a powerful Jedi who has exceptional achievements which impress the Jedi Council:

Embodying true skill and dedication, the padawan confronts the spirit of an ancient Jedi known as Rajivari and defeats a vengeful young man who had pledged himself to Rajivari's teachings. Impressed by these exceptional achievements, the Jedi Council promotes Yuon's Padawan to full membership as the Orders newest Consular. However, this powerful Jedi's adventures have only begun...

Source: The Old Republic Encyclopedia

The Barsen'thor is a gifted padawan:

In a time of great turmoil across the galaxy, a gifted Padawan travels to the Jedi's ancient homeworld of Tython to complete the final trials and become a fully fledged Jedi.

Source: The Old Republic Encyclopedia

Yuon Par remarks that the Consular was stronger in the Force at four than she was at fifteen:

A Jedi who was stronger in the Force at four than I was at fifteen?

Source: The Old Republic

Qyzen Fess is impressed enough by the Consular's power and skill that he deems him as the Herald of his goddess:

"I have been fool. Spoke false. You are no small hunter. Cannot be other. Scorekeeper has seen. Chosen for greatest honor. You are Herald of Scorekeeper. Chosen one, Herald. Of great power, skill, honor, Scorekeeper sees and favors."

Source: The Old Republic

The Barsen'thor is a master of the Force:

In a climactic final battle with the galaxy at stake, these two masters of the Force cross sabers.

Source: The Old Republic Encyclopedia

Force Sense, Clairvoyance and Precognition

The Consular senses enemies behind him as he is meditating:

The Barsen'thor is able to sense that the troopers behind him are disguised spies for the Empire:

Force Speed

Speedblitzing a trooper:


One-shotting a trooper with a violent Force shove:

One-shotting a trooper with Force Push:

The Consular knocks out a Sith Inquisitor and three soldiers with a Force Wave:

Utilizing a power which is described in game as "Forcequake", the Consular quakes the floor whilst simultaneously generating Force whirlwinds:

The Consular lifts a large Colicoid up, then slams it down whilst simultaneously knocking down a pair of smaller Colicoids:

One-shotting a pair of troopers by knocking them down with the Force:

One-shotting a commander by firing a Force blast at him:

Hurling an explosive canister at a Sith warrior with enough force to kill him from the impact:

Very early in his career, the Consular casually lifts up and throws over a huge distance a huge block of metal which is around the size of a bus (decently longer, but slightly shorter in height):

The Consular, just as early in his career as the directly above feat, uses the Force to blast open a huge blast door the height of a two-story building:


The Consular breaks through a massive blast door on Belsavis, which causes Geland, behind the door, to briefly cower/look away, and be shocked at the Consular's power:


The Consular stuns Syo Bakarn with a Force Push:

The Consular utilizes Telekinesis and possibly Barrier to repeatedly repel Syo Bakarn's attempts to slash him with a lightsaber, then utilizes TK to hurl him into a rock wall with devastating force:

Note: This is dark-side only, but it is at least proof that the Barsen'thor can accomplish such a feat. Also, it's never been revealed whether the Consular is light or dark-sided canonically at all, although presumably he is light-sided.

Force Stun

Stunning a Sith warrior:

Force Healing

The Consular heals a Nautolan who was knocked out by Sith Lightning:

The Consular heals an injured Republic trooper:

The Consular revives an unconscious and close-to-dead Hallow Voice:


Martial Arts and Strength

The Consular uses a quick roundhouse kick to one-shot a trooper:

Combat Skill

Defeating Nalen Raloch, the best duelist amongst the Twi'leks, whom had obtained knowledge from Rajivari's holocron, and whom had enough raw power to collapse an entire enormous cave:

The Consular defeats his own master, Yuon Par, after she is driven insane by a dark plague:

Defeating a mysterious Sith and his two acolytes:

Defeating master Cin Tykan, despite the Consular having already been weakened once by using the Shielding Technique:

Defeating master Duras Fain, despite the Consular having already been weakened by using the Shielding Technique twice:

Defeating Jedi Knight Leranna, despite having already been weakened by using the Shielding Technique three times:

(can't find a video yet)

Defeating master Eriz, despite the Consular having already been weakened by using the Shielding Technique four times:

Defeating master Sidonie, despite the Consular having already been weakened by using the Shielding Technique five times:

Defeating a possessed Yuon Par, even after all the usages of the Shielding Technique, and whilst Yuon Par was drawing upon the Barsen'thor's own power, and then defeating Lord Vivicar, the instigator of the plague, despite being terribly weakened as a result of repeatedly utilizing the Shielding Technique, which cost so much energy that its previous user had to sacrifice his own life in order to use it, and yet the Consular was able to utilize it six times, already a testament to his power, before defeating Lord Vivcar himself and then using the Shielding Technique a seventh time:

Defeating Darth Lachris, apprentice to Darth Marr, one of the most powerful Sith Lords in the Empire:

Defeating Commander Geland, a Child of the Emperor:

Defeating the First Son, the most powerful member of the Children of the Emperor whom shielded the rest from the Force Senses of the entire Jedi Order, and whom possessed comparable power to the Barsen'thor himself in being able to directly TK and disarm him. The First Son was also able to collapse portions of a huge cave ceiling:


Hero of Tython Respect Thread

I've decided to move away from the KotOR era, and I'm slowly moving into the TOR era now. I'm deciding to create respect threads for the protagonist characters with whatever canon material I can find which obviously includes game cutscenes and sourcebook entries (the only one at the moment is the TOR encyclopedia, to my knowledge).

Note: For those of you that don't know, the Hero of Tython is the Jedi Knight protagonist in The Old Republic. I'll be referring to him both as the Hero of Tython (HoT) and the Jedi Knight or just Knight, sometimes for ease of reference. He has no given name, yet. Of course, HoT has no canonically confirmed gender, but I'll refer to it as a he because in the versus trailers, BioWare's created character was a male, and so I'll use "he" as a reference.

Note: I will be using feats from the trailer, which I deem as likely canonical enough. If you disagree, that's fine, but I do think the feats from the Jedi Knight trailer should be made available. The thread itself is not completed.

With that out of the way, respect the Hero of Tython:

Power and Skill Accolades

The Knight is one of the strongest padawans the Jedi have seen for generations:

One of the strongest padawans the Jedi have seen in generations...

Source: The Old Republic Encyclopedia

The Jedi Knight Derrin Weller immediately recognizes the Knight and claims his former masters praise his skills as a masterful duelist despite only being a padawan:

”Your former Masters praise your combat skills. They say you're becoming an expert duelist."

Source: The Old Republic

The Force is stronger in the Knight than any other Force-user Orgus Din has seen in decades:

“The Force is strong in you. Stronger than I've seen in decades.”

Source: The Old Republic

Satele Shan, the Grand Master of the Order, says that the Knight is the Order's greatest warrior:

“You are our greatest warrior… and our best hope."

Source: The Old Republic

Scourge believes the Hero is the finest Jedi:

"You are the Jedi's finest."

Source: The Old Republic

Strength and Martial Arts

Kicking a thug off a sail barge:

Striking Bengel Morr unconscious:

Force Speed

The Hero of Tython speedblitzes two Sith Warriors, whom were able to defeat Jedi Master and Council member Bela Kiwiiks:

The Hero of Tython speedblitzes two Sith Warriors, again:

11:46 - couldn't convert to GIF format without it looking ugly, but it's not as impressive as the feat above anyways, so it doesn't really matter.

Force Leap

A display of Force Leap:


Pulling down portions of ceiling to collapse four tunnels:

Displaying Saber Throw:

Dominating a near-dead Vitiate with TK, ragdolling him, then pinning him to the floor before casually dropping one of the ceiling's stalagmites onto him:

Note: I know this only happens in the dark side version, which is presumably N-canon, although there has been no official declaration of which side is canon first. And I stand by what I have said before - that even if he didn't actually do this, the feat should at least prove he is capable of doing so.


The Jedi Knight displays a Mind Trick on Sith Overseer Chaskar, convincing him to leave the scene:


Combat Skill

Outsparring a fellow Jedi and gaining the approval of the overseeing master:

Stomping a pair of Sith in combat:

Orgus Din is impressed that the Jedi Knight is able to defeat numerous swarms of flesh raiders with only a practice saber, and whilst merely a padawan:

”You held off all these attackers by yourself with only a practice saber? Impressive.”

Source: The Old Republic

With only a training saber, the Knight defeats a Dark Jedi Callef, who wields a lightsaber, along with a pair of Flesh Raiders:

With only a training saber and still a padawan, the Knight defeats Bengel Morr, the lightsaber wielding former apprentice of Orgus Din. After constructing his lightsaber, the Knight then defeats a jurgoran:

Defeating the Sith Lord Tarnis:

Defeating the Sith Lord Praven, who has a number of accolades for his skill:

Defeating Valis, Child of the Emperor:

Defeating Sith Lord Sadic, who is said to be the best of Angral's apprentices before gaining a heavy cybernetic augmentation:

Defeating Lord Nefraid in combat:

Defeating Darth Angral, a renowned Sith warrior and Lord who outfought the Hero's own master, Orgus Din. After that, the Hero defeats a Vitiate-possessed Kira Carsen:

Defeating Lord Scourge in single combat, with Scourge being the Emperor's Wrath and has centuries of experience and practice following his appearance in the Revan novel, by which time he was already skilful enough to beat a pair of Imperial Guards, match Meetra Surik in lightsaber combat, and whom as a student was already more than a match for his Sith instructors:

Wrecking a Sith combat droid:

Defeating Warren Sedoru, fallen Jedi master:

Defeating Leeha Narezz, fallen Jedi master:

Defeating Tol Braga, fallen Jedi Council member:

Defeating the Emperor Lord Vitiate himself, after fighting through numerous troops. The Emperor was severely weakened, but was also in the Dark Temple, a very powerful dark side nexus, as well as on Dromund Kaas, which itself is a dark side nexus:


My Response To Star Wars Threads

As a preface, I will say that this blog can appear to be somewhat offensive in its direct bluntness, but is directed at nobody in particular. This is simply my opinion of SW threads as of the moment, and there isn't a need for anybody in particular to be feeling ostracized or blackballed. I'm simply expressing my views, which, as one might guess, might not be too favorable of SW threads as of late. In any case, let's begin.

Anybody who has seen recent Star Wars threads and scrutinized them well enough might, or rather, should, be able to find certain trends which underline SW threads, users' responses to these threads, and the debates of varying quality and quantity which stem from these threads. These trends aren't inherently negative, but as one could imagine, they are subtly influenced such that they do become negative tendencies. I want to address these and how I will or want to respond to them.

The first issue I have with SW threads as of the moment is how a vast majority of them are unnaturally alike. They aren't absolute mirrors of each other, but if they were, one might question why they would attract any posters at all. Regardless, they come unnervingly close to that. At the top of my head, I can list a number of endlessly resurfacing elements which are the cause of this. Number one is simply the setting. A vast majority of SW threads at the moment are Clone Wars-related threads, or threads that use characters from that era. Intrinsically, there is nothing wrong with this at all. The CW era houses a gargantuan amount of EU material, more so than most other SW time frames. But the issue arises once you see just how often this era being used. In. Every. Single. Thread. The capacity to imagine a more creative fight with characters from a non-CW era is hardly out of anybody's reach - that is, anybody who has delved into the EU, even if only to a limited degree - and yet, so many threads are just CW-related threads. Darth Maul. Count Dooku. Obi-Wan Kenobi. Anakin Skywalker. Mace Windu. Yoda. General Grievous. Palpatine. And then some characters not from the films, but from CW and TCW. Asajj Ventress and Savage Opress, for instance. The fact is that these characters are ridiculously overused not just as characters pitted against each other in a fight, but to the extent that they have become the norm for comparison - with any SW character. The films and TCW are obviously the most accessible part of SW, which is understandable, but then, this is Comic Vine. Therefore, comics are equally as important, if not more so, and this simply leads out into the EU, which houses a vastly greater amount of storywriting potential, character potential, and even just creativity in general. There are so many different other characters from other eras, or from this era that are underused, and it's quite appalling to find that most people fail to recognize them, or, if they do, fail to make any threads with them. Of course, this is hardly the most irritating issue I have with SW threads as of late - these characters might be overused, but if they could generate good discussion, then maybe this would only be a minor complaint. If.

They mostly can't. This is another issue I have with SW threads, and a most prominent one indeed. It has less to do with the OP's settings, but with the content within a thread itself. The state of the board itself is simply abhorrent. By whose judgment is it necessary to utterly impart one's knowledge, one's opinion, to another as if it were law? Being somewhat harsh or overly critical to an extent is hardly unforgivable, and that is something anybody who has debated with me before has experienced. That's reasonable enough - there are people who are simply not so sympathetic and kind as others, or perhaps their rough words mask a greater kindness. Irrational charity is hardly any better, for those who whinge and whine about minutely stiff words. But that's talk for another day.

SW threads are almost bound to be filled with poor-quality content (unless the characters are so esoteric that the majority that few can post anything about them at all) in the form of one-word posts or rebuttals, and otherwise counterproductive material. But this is something done by everyone, on every thread, and circumstances such as one's mood may be the cause of this, perhaps. So it's acceptable... perhaps. But then one comes to things that are inexcusable. The incitation of flame wars and otherwise counterproductive debate is especially noticeable. A number of select users seem to feel as if they are infallible, as if their will, their mere subjective opinion, is law. Can't say it's a very good attitude to have in life, but how does this impact SW threads themselves? It should be obvious that any exaggeration of one's opinion should make that person invalid as a debater. Correcting somebody else or expressing how they are wrong, or elucidating on how you are right is the purpose of debating, essentially, but imposing yourself on others so as to start multi-page-long flame wars is inexcusable and needs no further elucidation as to how abhorrent it is.

The last thing I felt like I wanted to address is ignorance. It's not something that can be controlled in any way, though I doubt anything I said above could be either, but regardless, it is something that can be frustrating at times. While it's certainly understandable that the average Viner wouldn't be knowledgeable on the EU, there isn't a need to lowball characters because they haven't seen anything aside from the movies, for instance. There is also a set level of bias in everybody, but it particularly shows in several posters' histories. Regardless, a level of ignorance is also imbued within each and every single user on the Vine, and that by itself is hardly an issue. The issue is less with the fact that one is ignorant (they can just ask for information), but those who pretend they have vast reserves of knowledge when, in reality, they are speaking gibberish and all their knowledge is a false pretense. Even if one doesn't own SW material, one can obtain enough knowledge to debate simply by watching others debate and reading their posts to obtain information. Obviously, this is debating in the loosest sense and hardly the most productive way of learning about SW EU, but at the same time, it is vastly superior to those who pretend to be all-knowing or who insist on passing judgment when they obviously have no idea what they are talking about. There are far too many people who read no material on SW EU and yet insist on them losing in every possible encounter for no reason other than to satisfy their illogical conditions.

I've highlighted issues I've found to be irritants, but I'll also have to underline how I plan to respond to them, and how I'd recommend others do so. I'll comment on the former later, but for now, let's skip to the latter. Of course, this is advice only, not something I am forcing upon you. However, in respects to most threads, I'd suggest you ignore the bulk of the posts, which tend to be detrimental to the quality of the thread itself. Obviously, if you come across a user you find to be one who drags down the quality of SW threads on the boards, then I'd recommend avoiding debate with such a user, if only to prevent flame wars and other such injurious events. And since it is simple for anybody to create an SW thread, I would ask anybody who is reading this to make more varying threads to alleviate the boredom around the SW boards..... because quite frankly, I'm getting sleepy-eyed with all the Darth Maul and Darth Tyranus threads.

As for my personal response to this - I have been saying this for some time, but I do feel as if I wish to leave CW threads. It's too boring, and it always has too much disruption. The fact that it is so common makes it easy for one to memorize the feats of virtually all the famed characters of the era. It is much like a book that has been read over and over until every word has been memorized. What you should do is simply let go of the book and keep it closed - and so I will do exactly that. I may choose to respond to certain threads related to the Clone Wars era, if I deem them capable of generating good discussion, but in other cases, I will simply refuse to post on them, even if I am called to them. I doubt my deportation will last forever, but I expect it to last a substantial period. I'm not hiding for any other reason; I simply find most CW-related threads to be unproductive, if not counterproductive, and I can't really do much about it. But at the same time, I'm also basically getting bored. So I'm choosing the threads I'll enter and post on, which hopefully will be a sufficient explanation for anybody who likes to call me out on certain threads. Debates can go on without me. If CW threads improve drastically, I may renege and return, but unless this is the case, which, not to sound pessimistic, is rather unlikely, I'll be entering CW-hibernation. Now, I may answer your call-outs, or I may not. I'll be selective with the threads I choose to enter, and most of the time I will avoid debating with another user if I find that it would be unproductive.


Top 10 Sith Lords

This is a topic that has been circulating for quite some time, and I have had this question asked to me many times as well. I am tired of repeatedly answering this question, in part due to the fact that my opinion also rapidly shifts. In the future, when I am asked this question, I will link the inquirer to here, where I will also be updating this blog as my feelings on the characters change/material is changed. This is, of course, a Legends listing. I will create a Jedi list some time in the future.

It should be noted that the question of "Who are the top 10 Sith Lords" is ambiguous and comes in many forms, so I will address it in all these forms, and I will give an explanation for each choice.

Note: Obviously, this is just my opinion, and is not necessarily correct (although Palpatine remains canonically the most powerful Sith Lord by a variety of sources). Also, theoretically, the Banite Sith that we do not know of will also be in such a list, but I do not want a list filled with nameless and unknown characters, so I have included only characters with enough feats or accolades to actually warrant a position in the top ten.


This is a list referring to Force power only.

1. Darth Sidious - No explanation really required - sources have already identified him as the most powerful Sith in history and his feats reflect this. Nobody else is on his tier in this regard. Check his respect thread for his power feats and accolades if you are disbelieving of me.

2. Darth Plagueis - Listed as the most powerful Sith Lord up to and of his time by Darth Plagueis's back cover (not sure if it is canon, though), and this should be correct based on his showings which include atomizing others whilst he was heavily wounded and holding back.

3. Darth Caedus/Vitiate - Caedus is often thought of as a masterful duelist and fast combatant, of which he holds a record as two, but in terms of power, I would not place him that far up. Vitiate the most powerful Dark Sider up to and of his time (excluding the Ones and Abeloth, like all these lists are) by canonical sources, and is exceptionally powerful by virtue of his myriad of feats, notwithstanding his vast overrating which can be found almost universally.

4. Darth Nihilus - Nihilus is exceptionally powerful by virtue of his feats, such as casually stunning Visas Marr, Canderous and the Exile, given how the Exile was likely of considerable power by this time. His Drain feats are his most notable ones, but he also has good Concealment and Sense feats. There are two respect threads for him.

5. Darth Traya/Darth Nox - Traya is a very powerful yet underrated Sith Lords whose power feats should naturally carry the connotation of being one of the most powerful Sith Lords and Force users in general. Her TK feats are incredibly impressive, her Heal, TP, Cloak and similarly-related feats even more so, in addition to her extensive knowledge and versatility in the Force. Nox is another overwhelmingly powerful Sith Lord, whose feats include utterly stomping one of the single most powerful Sith Lords in the entire Sith Empire with telekinesis (comparable to the likes of Count Dooku as well), and effortlessly deflecting Lightning from said Sith Lord (Darth Thanaton, who has killed beings with his Lightning before), in addition to his myriad of other showings and accolades.

6. Darth Tenebrous - Very few showings, but what few showings he has demonstrated place him somewhat above Vader, though not by much. That said, he possesses a strong level of telekinesis and Lightning, immense levels of Barrier and Speed, as well as a powerful degree of Force Sense and overall knowledge and mastery in the Force. There is a respect thread for him I have created if you wish to seek out his feats.

7. Darth Vader/Darth Bane - Vader should come as no surprise, given the enormity of the scale of his telekinetic feats, which he is well known for within the EU community, and he possesses a number of showings in other power-related areas to afford him this ranking. Bane is extremely powerful in many Force-based depictions, which should elevate him above the likes of Tyranus, even though his telekinetic feats have some edges of doubt about them.

8. Darth Tyranus/Darth Krayt - Probably a tier behind Vader, if not on Vader's tier, but not quite his equal. Tyranus is exceptionally powerful in a number of regards and canon sources has identified him as one of the most powerful Force users in history. A respect thread has been made for him if you wish to see his feats. Krayt is also relatively knowledgeable and powerful. His telekinetic capabilities allow him to shatter pillars, he knows Dark Transfer and Drain, he has withstood Darth Wyyrlok's Memory Walk, deflected Wyyrlok's Lightning (utilizing Deflection against Lightning being a near-impossible feat) and so on, which should merit his ranking within the top ten.

9. TCW Darth Maul/Darth Malgus/Darth Zannah - Maul should only be a tier behind Dooku. His telekinetic feats significantly transcend that of his TPM incarnation, allowing him to utterly dominate Jedi on the caliber of Obi-Wan Kenobi. A respect thread has been made for him if you wish to see his feats. Malgus is a sheer brute powerhouse whose raw power is outstanding and has enough merit to be on the list. Additionally, Sidious has claimed that Malgus's battlefield feats, accomplished by virtue of power, have never been duplicated up to and of Palpatine's time. I have created a respect thread for him if you wish to see his feats. Although Zannah's prime has never been shown, her displayed feats up to DoE (including those of Sorcery, and her childhood showings) do reflect incredible power, which should merit her ranking at roughly this level.

10. Darth Malak/Darth Revan/Lumiya - Malak is a very underrated character whose power feats merit a level which significantly transcends that of beings of Obi-Wan's class, so he should be comparable to Maul and Tyranus. There is a respect thread for him on this site. For Darth Revan, prior to being redeemed, it's hard to identify exactly where he fits since he has very few feats at this time, and all we know is that he possesses extensive knowledge and is one of the most powerful Sith Lords in history, but I recall a source which elevates him beyond Malak, but of course, that iteration of Malak was very unlikely to be as powerful as he was by the time of KotOR, so he should be placed here, especially in part due to a lack of feats. In the case of Lumiya, she is fairly powerful across all areas, but more notably, is powerful in Illusion-based powers. Her mastery of the Force Phantom technique was such that she could create and sustain hundreds of them across the galaxy at once, whilst empowered by the Dark Side nexus of the Home.

There are many characters like Chratis, the Emperor's Wrath, Wyyrlok and so on who are close but not quite able to make it to the top ten. Characters like Marka Ragnos and Tulak Hord are mostly lip-service and a lack of living appearances makes it difficult to judge whether they live up to their hype or not. I am not including amped characters like Orbalisk Bane, but for the record, Orbalisk Bane would be on par with Plagueis or Vitiate. Likewise, Star Forge Malak is not included, but for note, he should be around Malgus's level.


This is a list regarding skill only.

1. Darth Sidious - Again, little need for explanation. His feats are simply better than the others'.

2. Darth Caedus - Contending with Luke in a realistic combat situation is a very good showing for Caedus. Barring some senseless inconsistencies, Caedus is certainly one of the most skilful combatants in being comparable to Luke, which renders him comparable to Palpatine as well.

3. Darth Tyranus - I was actually surprised myself when I couldn't bring myself to find another duelist more skilful than Tyranus, and I did not expect him to be here. Nonetheless, this is not a baseless assumption. Tyranus's dueling feats and accolades (which can be viewed in his respect thread) are just as astonishingly impressive and he should be ahead of others that I list here.

4. Darth Vader - One of the single most skilful swordsmen in the history of the galaxy itself, and having beaten a myriad of Jedi to support his placement here.

5. TPM Darth Maul/TCW Darth Maul - Just as skilful as each other, these incarnations of Maul are one of the single most skilled of Sith in the entirety of the Sith Order's history, and their feats include fighting competitively with some of the best duelists in the history of the Order.

6. Darth Plagueis/Darth Tenebrous - It is difficult to judge where Plagueis is due to a lack of feats on his part, but from what we have seen and what can be implied, he is still a very skilful combatant. I would not place him on par with Maul just because of his lack of likeness of lightsaber combat as a whole and a level of ambiguity, although he could be of roughly tantamount ranking in that regard - it is simply too hard to quantify his dueling skill. For Tenebrous - essentially the same reasons for Plagueis.

7. Exar Kun - Kun has beaten a number of Jedi such as Craydo, Sylvar, and Vodo-Siosk Baas, all of whom are featless, but the latter of which has been listed as one of the most formidable Jedi swordsmen in all of history. He has also stalemated Ulic Qel-Droma (and this was before Kun brandished his dual blades), a character whom could stalemate Sylvar even after the former was cut off from the Force.

8. Darth Malgus/Emperor's Wrath/Lumiya - Malgus has beaten a number of skilful Jedi opponents, such as Ven Zallow and Kao Cen Darach. The Wrath has beaten a vast range of characters, a number of which were beaten under circumstances which would make the feat more impressive, since most of the characters he or she has beaten are featless. Nonetheless, the showings should have merit, given how a number of them were accomplished whilst he was relatively inexperienced. Lumiya has mastered the lightwhip, a much more difficult to master but also more esoteric counterpart to the lightsaber. She was able to defeat RotJ Luke (an equal for Darth Vader) with the advantage of Luke having never faced a lightwhip before. After Luke became more experienced against such weapons and dual-wielded against them, Lumiya was defeated, but she was able to contend with Luke on other occasions, including as a Grand Master (although this is an inconsistent showing, but it is a decent one nonetheless).

10. Darth Venamis/Darth Revan - Venamis's capacity to contend with Plagueis should elevate him to a top ten standing, but he has no other appearances or showings so it would be extremely difficult to otherwise quantify his combat skill. Is he very skilled? Yes, but exactly where he stands I cannot say. I'll just place him here for now. For Darth Revan, he has beaten Darth Malak in a realistic lightsaber duel at some point, hence Malak's loss of his jaw, as well as having beaten Mandalore the Ultimate, whom, whilst a non-Force sensitive, has one-shotted Alek (Malak as a Jedi).

Tulak Hord is likely somewhere amongst the characters, but a lack of appearances is painful. The characters who spoke highly of him have a hyperbole record so whether he was actually as skilful as he was claimed to be is up to one's determination. Nox also has some decent skill feats, but I wouldn't put him or her as a top ten charcter just yet. Kas'im is fairly skilful, but probably lacks the feats to be top ten.


A reference to Dark Side knowledge and Force knowledge in general.

1. Darth Sidious - Again, no explanation really required. He has all the knowledge of the Banite Sith, plus a vast range of other sources. He is believed to know every single application of the Force, as per the DE sourcebook.

2. Vitiate/Darth Traya/Darth Plagueis - All wield tremendous reserves of knowledge, and Kreia has the edge of light-sided knowledge from her former Jedi heritage, during which she served as a historian who gathered and studied relics. Vitiate has an incredibly extensive life span, which affords him the capacity to delve into the deeper secrets of the dark side, and Plagueis has the benefit of all the accumulated knowledge of the Banite Sith.

3. Darth Revan - Revan has access vast range of lore such that his holocron appeared to possess much more knowledge than the entirety of the Sith Academy Library on Korriban, and his information sources stretch from the Trayus Academy to varying Sith manuscripts, holocrons, and other sources.

4. Darth Tenebrous/Darth Caedus - Tenebrous's status as among the last of the Order of the Sith Lords presents him with the opportunity of an amassed wealth of accumulated dark side knowledge. Caedus is knowledgeable as a whole given the diversity of his Force powers.

5. Darth Tyranus/Darth Zannah - Tyranus has studied many artifacts and has displayed a wide range of powers. Zannah has similar knowledge to Bane, but would have only gained more during her tenure as a Sith master, not to mention that her Sorceress capacities allowed him to uncover more information from holocrons than Bane did.

6. Darth Krayt/Darth Bane - Krayt and Bane both wield vast reserves of knowledge based off their large libraries of collected dark side knowledge and displayed powers.

7. Darth Vader/Darth Malak/Darth Nox - Vader possesses a wealth of Force knowledge and versatility. Malak knows a wide range of powers and has dabbled in arts such as Sith Sorcery, whilst Nox is simply very versatile and knowledgeable from what we have seen.

8. Darth Wyyrlok/Atris/Sorzus Syn /Lumiya- Likely not as knowledgeable as the above, but Wyyrlok is still knowledgeable in his applications of dark side knowledge. Likewise, Atris was once a Jedi librarian, and has studied from a wealth of dark side holocrons. We also know from the Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide that Atris wields many powers. As detailed in Book of Sith: Secrets of the Dark Side, Sorzus Syn is simply a very well-learned character in Sith sorcery, alchemy, and other dark side-related phenomena. Lumiya also had access to a large force of holocrons.

9. Exar Kun/Freedon Nadd/Darth Thanaton - Exar Kun wields a wide range of powers from holocrons he has studied, including Sith Sorcery, whilst Nadd has learned everything Sadow knew, as well as gaining knowledge from varying other Sith such as Adas. Thanaton has access to an entire library of dark side knowledge and lore, and is very knowledgeable in varying Sith/Dark Side powers and traditions such as rituals.

10. Naga Sadow - Sadow is considerably knowledgeable in the arts of Sith Sorcery and Alchemy.


This is a list which is not necessarily a realistic fighting scenario, just an amalgamation of all characters' full power sets and abilities. Therefore, a lack of skill or a lack of power can be harmful:

1. Darth Sidious - No real explanation needed.

2. Darth Caedus - His mix of power, knowledge, endurance, speed and skill makes him an extremely skilled, powerful and versatile fighter.

3. Darth Plagueis - A very powerful/knowledgeable Force user with incredible levels of speed and agility as well as strength to supplement his power, also being very skilled.

4. Darth Tenebrous - Skilled, but also extremely fast, agile, knowledgeable and powerful. Additionally, he is tremendously intelligent and is capable of calculating the future via mathematics.

5. Darth Vader - An incredibly durable, powerful and skilful combatant with a healthy mix of knowledge and speed added to complement his greatest aspects.

6. Darth Tyranus/Darth Nox - The Count is portrayed as a consummate duelist, is very fast, and is very powerful/knowledgeable. Nox also wields vast reserves of power and knowledge, and is a capable combatant himself.

7. TCW Darth Maul - A masterful lightsaber combatant and martial artist with high levels of all physical attributes as well as power.

8. Darth Traya/Darth Nihilus - Extremely powerful, but lack combative and other physical showings.

9. Vitiate/Darth Bane - The Emperor is incredibly powerful, but is not a physical combatant and lacks any lightsaber or physical capacity at all. Bane is not quite as powerful, but is still skilful and possesses many physical feats.

10. Darth Malgus/TPM Maul/Darth Krayt/Lumiya - A strong blend of power, endurance/pain tolerance and strength with reasonably decent skill makes Malgus a juggernaut who is not to be trifled with. TPM Maul isn't very high with respects to power, but is very formidable in terms of martial and dueling skill, and in all physical areas. Krayt lacks physical strength feats, but has fairly decent speed and durability showings, half-decent skill showings, and impressive levels of Force power, mastery and knowledge. Lumiya possesses a strong level of skill and speed at least approachable, if not equal, to the late Rebellion era-early NR era Luke. She also has a strong level of power and knowledge, especially in respects to Illusions such as her Force Phantoms.

Honorable mentions to the Emperor's Wrath, Malak and Zannah, who aren't too far behind the list.


1. Darth Traya - She is so interesting because of the way she challenges SW morality and philosophy, which makes her a very unique character. Her wisdom and knowledge is also particularly striking, although most probably don't like her due to the interminably long monologues she launches into.

2. Darth Sidious - Essentially the main villain in SW history itself, and the story of his manipulations and rise to power makes him perhaps the most epic of all Sith in that way.

3. Darth Tenebrous - Very, very underrated as a character. I find Tenebrous interesting because of his different capabilities and goals unlike many other Sith.

4. Darth Vader - You'd probably have to have him somewhere in your top 5 Sith list if you are an SW fan - no real explanation. The first SW character to radiate epicness.

5. Darth Plagueis/Darth Tyranus - Plagueis is just intriguing due to his character and the way it was explored by Luceno - to reveal his character and make a good story out of it, but maintain a shroud of mysteriousness. Tyranus is up here because Christopher Lee is underrated and an excellent actor.... and he has a good backstory, good characterization in sources such as the RotS novel, etc.

6. Darth Caedus - I always liked Jacen Solo, and the same applies for Caedus. It's hard to actually explain why, though.

7. Darth Revan - I'd think that anybody who played KotOR would understand why he is here. In short: he comes from one of the best SW video games. You can play the game to find out for yourself.

8. Darth Zannah - She unfortunately doesn't have the characterization she could have had, thanks to Karpyshyn, but she has much promise and potential as a character.

9. Darth Bane - He had good characterization in the first novel of his namesake trilogy, and it developed him into a strong character. Unfortunately, that couldn't be sustained in the next two novels due to Karpyshyn's preference of fanwanking over characterization.

10. Darth Malgus - Was developed very well as a character in Deceived, and his appearances the trailers alone personify his epicness.

Least Favorite

My most hated/least favorite, number 1 is most hated, and gradually dwindling away.

1. Vitiate - An utter ripoff of Palpatine, and the development of him as a character is essentially reliant on his absence of character. Just.... no.

2. Savage Opress - He sucks. Too much of a brute, too poor a character. He's essentially "I'm going to punch you in the -" *gets his leg tripped on cloth*

3. Marka Ragnos - I literally dislike him because of the fanwank he receives. Just... uggh....

4. All Lost Tribe of the Sith - I just never got myself to like any of them. Vestara is probably the only one I don't dislike.

5. Atris (as Darth Traya) - The entire premise of her character in the game was to be a nuisance, really. Her stuck-up arrogance and hatred for the protagonist really made her the unlikeable character she deserved to be.

6. Darth Thanaton - He had somewhat better character than Atris, and more exposure to the audience through comics, but he was still essentially an Atris in the game.

7. Darth Bandon - Just wasn't developed enough as a character, and he felt somewhat unnecessary as a character.

8. Ludo Kressh - I liked Naga Sadow, so it would only be natural that in his rivalry against Kressh, that I would support Sadow against Kressh.

9. Darth Sion - He was a decent character in the way he was developed, but I just dislike his premise of being a complete and utter Force zombie. That, and he looks like he sleeps with vibroblades at night.

10. Qordis - Not necessarily a bad character, I just never liked him. To be fair, he was something of an a$$hole in the novel anyways.


Kreia and Arren Kae

This is a respite from the respect threads I have been piling up recently. This is a miscellaneous style of blog which underlines a number of similarities between two characters from Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords. The two characters are Kreia, a character who serves as one of the main characters in The Sith Lords, but has a prominent element of mystery shrouding her, and Arren Kae, a Jedi who receives continuous mention but is apparently deceased and makes no appearance in the game. The similarities I am trying to address appear to be plainly "too convenient", which leads me to believe that these characters are in fact one and the same.

As a preface, I am following and elucidating on this video, as well as adding my own knowledge, but much, if not virtually all, of what I say is from the video, but may not be overwhelmingly clear. I will attempt to make it clear. Whenever I reference something from the video, I will hyperlink it to the exact current time the character said what he or she said.

Obviously, Kreia is also Darth Traya (which is recognizable from anybody who played KotOR II: TSL), so the fact that she could have many aliases is clearly not beyond plausibility. Furthermore, in the aforementioned video, Atris clearly says:

"Kreia? Oh, that is not her name."

Source: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords

Now, this may be a reference to Darth Traya, the Sith alias of Kreia, but this is unlikely because the previous conversation between Atris and Kreia seemed to indicate that Kreia was passing the title of Darth Traya to Atris. In the Dark Side version of the game (which is not canon but does contain a number of hints that one would be remiss to ignore), she clearly states that Atris assumed that title for however long - a few hours, or perhaps only a few minutes, but once Atris is killed, Kreia reveals that if Atris is not to be Darth Traya, then Kreia must assume that role. As a result, it can be surmised that Kreia did convey the title of Darth Traya to Atris (which is befitting because Atris was betrayed by Brianna, and she betrays herself and her former identity to learn about the dark side), and so it is equally plausible to suggest that Atris saying "Kreia" not being a real name in fact refers to the woman known as "Kreia" in fact having a different name, which, to my belief, is Arren Kae.

Next, everything in the timeline suggests Kreia and Arren Kae are one and the same. First and foremost, they are revealed to have fought in the Mandalorian Wars. Brianna the Handmaiden, daughter of Arren Kae, states that Kae had left for the Mandalorian Wars, after which she never returned and was declare dead:

"I never saw her face, and she did not return from the final battle of the war. She died in the battle that shadowed Malachor V, and her body was never recovered."

Source: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords

The fact that Kae "died" and was never seen again can be interpreted as Kreia entering the Sith academy of Malachor V to become a Sith Lord, which is revealed in the Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide. To further reinforce Brianna's statement, Master Kavar clearly expresses that he thought Kreia had died in the Mandalorian Wars. He says this just as he sees Kreia before him, so we know for certain that he was speaking of Kreia. The fact that both Kreia and Kae fought in the Mandalorian Wars and were thought to have died is just another "coincidence". Obviously, by itself, it means little, but once supplemented with all the other evidence to indicate they are one and the same, it is in fact another piece of evidence to indicate the two characters in question are simply different aliases of one being.

Mical also reveals that Revan was trained by Arren Kae before Kae was exiled (and throughout parts of KotOR II, Kreia occasionally discusses that she was indeed exiled from the Order), whilst Kreia reveals that she did train Revan at some point, something you can get out of her with sufficient influence:

"As a padawan, Revan was trained by Master Kae before she was exiled."

Source: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords

"At one time, Revan was my padawan, in times past, long ago."

Source: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords

Again, this, like the fact that both Kae and Kreia were presumed dead following the Mandalorian Wars, may seem to be a mere coinciding fact, but it is part of the puzzle to solve the identity of who Kreia was.

Reinforcing this is what Mical says following this. He says that Revan returned to Kae to learn how to leave the Order entirely:

"And it is said that he went to his first and final master to learn how to leave the Order entirely as she had."

Source: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords

Similarly, Kreia insists that Revan returned to her in the end, to learn how to leave the Order forever:

"In the end, he turned back to me, when he realized that there was nothing more to be learned from the Jedi except how one could leave them forever."

Source: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords

The pieces should begin to fall into place now. Kreia and Kae both being Revan's first and final master to teach him how to leave the Order entirely/forever is more than a coincidence - this time, this is evidence that the two are one and the same. And Revan going to Kreia/Kae to learn how to leave the Order "as she had" is an interesting topic for discussion, as we know Kae/Kreia was exiled (the video does reference this as well), so she certainly did leave the Order, and she discusses the faults of the Jedi Order often during the events of The Sith Lords.

Something else to note is the game developer Chris Avellone's response when this theory was brought up:

"Can’t comment, but good catch. Sorry."

As it is said, Avellone uses the phrase "good catch" to reference implications which he enjoys, but at the same time, this somewhat ambiguous wording can be used to withhold revealing the truth. It is likely that the truth will never come out, so this is simply a theory - there is no source which explicitly states that Arren Kae and Kreia are the same person, but it is implicitly suggested throughout the game, and the purpose of this blog is solely to underline these implicit suggestions and bring them to light. The blog is not particularly long, and I have plans for a much longer Kreia blog which will be up in several days once I have time to put it together. This blog is relatively short, but I wish to underline the glaring and more subtle "coincidences" which lead me to believe that Arren Kae was the birth name and Jedi name of the character, before she fell to the Dark Side and became Darth Traya. Upon her exile from the Sith Triumvirate, she used the alias of Kreia to get influence with the Exile along the journey, before adopting the title of Darth Traya once more as the Exile's final test, as well as for the purpose of "there must always be a Darth Traya", and "the galaxy needs its betrayers, especially in the times to come".

This does not address everything, but at the same time, the video includes portions of Kreia and Brianna speaking about Brianna's mother, and Brianna's betrayal, which was essentially the rest of the video. Most of that elucidated on who Arren Kae was, rather than the similarities between Kreia and Arren Kae.

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Ben Kenobi Respect Thread

I made a respect thread for Obi-Wan in his prime, so now, months later, I am making the thread for the old man that we all knew and loved in the OT - the man that Obi-Wan became. Material from the A New Hope novel is credited to Intrepid37.

Respect Ben Kenobi:

"In my experience, there's no such thing as luck."

Combat Skill

Despite being out of practice against another Force user for seventeen years, Obi-Wan Kenobi contends with Darth Vader. Vader assumes the edge not by virtue of being more skilled with the blade, an area the two combatants are equal in, but because Obi-Wan's strength and stamina is inferior, causing him to weaken and tire prematurely:

"I have been waiting a long time, Obi-Wan Kenobi," Darth Vader intoned solemnly. "We meet again at last. The circle has been completed." Kenobi sensed satisfaction beneath the hideous mask. "The presence I sensed earlier could only have been you."

Kenobi regarded the great form blocking his retreat and nodded slowly. He gave the impression of being more curious than impressed. "You still have much to learn."

"You were once my teacher," Vader admitted, "and I learned much from you. But the time of learning has long passed, and I am the master now."

The logic that had constituted the missing link in his brilliant pupil remained as absent as before.

There would be no reasoning here, Kenobi knew. Igniting his saber, he assumed the pose of warrior-ready, a movement accomplished with the ease and elegance of a dancer.

Rather roughly, Vader imitated the movement. Several minutes followed without motion as the two men remained staring at each other, as if waiting for some proper, as yet unspoken signal.

Kenobi blinked once, shook his head, and tried to clear his eyes, which had begun to water slightly. Sweat beaded up on his forehead, and his eyelids fluttered again.

"Your powers are weak," Vader noted emotionlessly. "Old man, you should never have come back. It will make your end less peaceful than you might have wished."

"You sense only a part of the Force, Darth," Kenobi murmured with the assurance of one to whom death is merely another sensation, like sleeping or making love or touching a candle. "As always, you perceive its reality as little as a utensil perceives the taste of food."

Executing a move of incredible swiftness for one so old, Kenobi lunged at the massive shape. Vader blocked the stab with equal speed, riposting with a counterslash that Kenobi barely parried. Another parry and Kenobi countered again, using this opportunity to move around the towering Dark Lord.

They continued to trade blows, with the old man now backing toward the hangar. Once, his saber and Vader's locked, the interaction of the two energy fields producing a violent sparking and flashing. A low buzzing sound rose from the straining power units as each saber sought to override the other.


Illuminated by the flare from contacting energy fields, Ben Kenobi and Darth Vader were backing toward the bay. The fight attracted the attention of others beside the Senator. Every one of the guards moved in for a better view of the Olympian conflict.

Kenobi heard the approaching commotion and spared a glance back into the hangar. The squad of troopers bearing down on him was enough to show that he was trapped.

Vader took immediate advantage of the momentary distraction to bring his saber over and down. Kenobi somehow managed to deflect the sweeping blow, at once parrying and turning a complete circle.

"You still have your skill, but your power fades. Prepare to meet the Force, Obi-Wan."

Kenobi gauged the shrinking distance between the oncoming troops and himself, then turned a pitying gaze on Vader. "This is a fight you cannot win, Darth. Your power has matured since I taught you, but I too have grown much since our parting. If my blade finds its mark, you will cease to exist. But if you cut me down, I will only become more powerful. Heed my words."

"Your philosophies no longer confuse me, old man," Vader growled contemptuously. "I am the master now."

Once again he lunged forward, feinting, and then slashing in a deadly downward arc with the saber.

It struck home, cutting the old man cleanly in half. There was a brief flash as Kenobi's cloak fluttered to the deck in two neat sections.

But Ben Kenobi was not in it. Wary of some trick, Vader poked at the empty cloak sections with the saber. There was no sign of the old man. He had vanished as though he had never existed.

The guards slowed their approach and joined Vader in examining the place where Kenobi had stood seconds before. Several of them muttered, and even the awesome presence of the Sith Lord couldn't keep a few of them from feeling a little afraid.

Source: A New Hope

"I've been waiting for you, Obi-Wan," Vader said as he moved closer to the elderly Jedi Knight. "We meet again, at last. The circle is now complete."

Obi-Wan assumed an offensive position.

Vader continued, "When I left you, I was but the learner; now I am the master."

"Only a master of evil, Darth," Obi-Wan said. He made a sudden lunge at Vader but the dark lord blocked the attack. There was a loud electric crackle as their lightsabers made contact. Obi-Wan swung again and again, but each time Vader parried.

Vader said, "Your powers are weak, old man."

"You can't win, Darth," Obi-Wan said. "If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."

"You should not have come back," Vader said.

Their lightsaber clashed again, And again, and again. And as their battle continued, they moved closer to the main doorway that led directly to the hangar that contained the Millennium Falcon.


It was a lightsaber duel. Luke could only imagine the identity of the tall, black-clad humanoid who wielded a red lightsaber. The other duelist wore a brown cloak, and Luke thought he recognized him immediately.

"Ben?" Luke said, and came to a stop. Who's he fighting?

Ben looked to Luke and smiled, then raised his lightsaber before him and closed his eyes. He looked almost serene.

Darth Vader thought Obi-Wan was surrendering, but the dark lord was without mercy. Vader's lightsaber swept through the air and sliced through Ben's form. Ben's cloak and lightsaber fell to the floor. His body was gone.

"No!" Luke shouted.

Hearing Luke's cry, the stormtroopers turned and shot at him. Luke raised his blast rifle and returned their fire, hitting one trooper, who tumbled forward into the elevator well.

Han immediately joined the fight, firing at the troopers while the droids and Chewbacca hurried into the Falcon. "Come on!" Han shouted to Luke.

Darth Vader ignored the blasterfight and looked down at the old brown cloak and lightsaber that lay on the floor. Incredibly, Obi-Wan had completely disappeared.

Where is he? How could he vanish? What sort of trickery is this? He had assumed Obi-Wan's study of the Force had ended long ago, and that his powers had diminished over time. But Vader was wrong.
Source: A New Hope Junior Novelization

There he was. After so much time and across so much space, the hooded figure of Obi-Wan Kenobi, his former Master and friend, stood right in front of him. He had aged; his face was lined, his beard white. It was impossible to not remember vividly the last time they had seen each other, when his Master had crippled him and left him to die on the fiery banks of a river of molten rock, light-years from here.

Now his anger smoldered in him like the banks of that coursing stream of lava. You should have killed me then, Obi-Wan.

Vader lit his lightsaber. The red beam crackled with power. Obi-Wan had already known Vader was there, of course. The Force swirled about the two of them, forging a link impossible to miss.

Vader stroke toward the old man. As he drew nearer, Obi-Wan ignited his own lightsaber. The blue gleam of the blade flashed brightly.

"I've been waiting for you, Obi-Wan. We meet again, at last. The circle is now complete."

Vader raised his weapon to attack, and Obi-Wan matched his pose.

"When I left you, I was but the learner; now I am the Master."

"Only a master of evil, Darth." With that, Obi-Wan stepped in and cut.

Vader blocked the attack easily. Obi-Wan attacked again, and again, Vader blocked each strike.

If the old man thought he could rattle him by attacking instead of defending, he was mistaken. Vader riposted, sped up his timing, and took the initiative, forcing the erstwhile Jedi to defend.

He still had some skill, his old Master did, but he was out of practice. Vader could feel it through the Force.

Obi-Wan twirled and blocked a slash, then wove a defensive pattern with his blade. The Force was still with the old Jedi; he was able to anticipate Vader's strikes and block or parry them. But after a quick exchange, Vader felt the energy shift in his favor. "Your powers are weak, old man."

There had always been in Vader a small bit of worry about this day. Not much; just a trace. He had been sure, in his useful arrogance, that he had been stronger, had been better than the Jedi Knight who had been his teacher, and the memory of what Obi-Wan had done to him would never be erased. He had been a superior fighter even when he had been Anakin Skywalker, and yet Obi-Wan had defeated him.

Could he win now?

It was as if the old man could read his thoughts:

"You can't win, Darth. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."

Vader knew that Obi-Wan was taunting him by using the Sith honorific, but he would not allow himself to be baited. Obi-Wan lunged again, attacking, but Vader was ready. Their sabers clashed, sparks spewed, the stink of ozone wafted over them, but Vader stood his ground. The blades slid along each other's length, then stopped, bound together in the magnetic handle guards, the men face-to-face.

Vader shoved, hard, and they broke the clash. Obi-Wan retreated a step.

Vader felt the fierce anticipation of victory pound in his heart. "You should not have come back," he told the old Jedi.

Another exchange - four, five, six attacks and blocks - and Vader knew the old man was weakening. The Force might be strong in Obi-Wan, but the dark side was stronger in Vader. It let him anticipate his adversary's strikes and counter them almost before they began.

Obi-Wan knew it, too. He began a retreat, backing away, his lightsaber itself seeming weaker as he moved.

Vader backed Obi-Wan past an open blast door leading to the forward dock where the Rebel freighter was being held under guard. The old man was obviously tiring.

You're mine, old man, Vader thought.

But just as he was ready to deliver the final strike, Obi-Wan managed a fast series of attacks, and Vader had to move quickly to avoid the strikes. Even as old and weak as Obi-Wan was, his technique was accomplished enough that a foolish move on Vader's part could still be fatal.

A group of stormtroopers standing in the dock became aware of them. Vader felt rather than saw them notice the strange duel, and sensed the troopers heading toward them.

He did not wish them to interfere, but to even warn them of would take concentration that he could not afford at the moment. Should his attention falter, Obi-Wan could kill him in the blink of an eye.

Vader heard someone call from the dock: "Ben?" It was a young man's voice. Still he could not risk a look in that direction. But Obi-Wan glanced away, quickly, then looked back at Vader. Then he did the last thing Vader could have possibly imagined -

He smiled.

It was an expression not the least worried; almost beatific, in fact. Then, still smiling, Obi-Wan lifted his lightsaber so that the tip pointed straight up at the ceiling.

The action was so totally unexpected that Vader paused for an instant in shock. Not even the Force had lent him prescience concerning this. His former Master had left himself wide open. Was it a trap?

It didn't matter. If it was, Obi-Wan wasn't fast enough, or strong enough, to spring it in time. Vader shifted his lightsaber and cut from the right, hard, aiming for the neck -

His lightsaber sheared through the old man as if the latter were no denser than the air itself, and Obi-Wan collapsed.

Yes! Fierce, exultant joy coursed through the man who had been Anakin Skywalker. He had done it! He had slain Obi-Wan Kenobi! His revenge was complete!

From a distance he heard someone scream "Nooo!" - a cry of utter despair. But Vader paid it no heed. The dark side surged within him as powerfully as he had ever felt it - for an instant. But then it stopped.

What had just happened?

Vader looked down at the body. But there was no body. Only Obi-Wan's robes and cloak.

This was impossible! It could not be!

The squad of stormtroopers began firing at somebody in the docking bay, but Vader could not be bothered to look. He stepped forward, staring down in disbelief. An illusion of some kind? Some Jedi mind trick that the old man had never imparted to him?

Impossible! Obi-Wan had taught him everything Vader knew...

But, whispered a voice from within, maybe not everything that Obi-Wan knew.

Vader reached out with his boot to touch the corpse, but he only stirred the empty vestments, charred by the lightsaber's heat, with his questing foot.

Obi-Wan Kenobi was gone.

How could this be?

For the first time he could remember, the dark side had no answer. And a great surge of unfamiliar emotion suddenly washed over him.

Darth Vader, the Dark Lord of the Sith's apprentice, one of the two most powerful beings in the galaxy, was afraid.

Source: Death Star

Tarkin watched the recording of Vader fighting the old man in a lightsaber duel, fascinated. Obi-Wan Kenobi had survived all these years. Who would have believed it?

That he was still able to make a fight of it against Darth Vader was even more impressive. The man looked old enough to be Vader's father, and them some. Amazing.

Source: Death Star

When Obi-Wan Kenobi duels his former apprentice Darth Vader aboard the Death Star, both combatants know they are but shadows of their former selves. Neither has fought another lightsaber-wielder for many years. Kenobi is an older man, and Vader is a cyborg crippled by the lingering pain of the injuries that make his life-support suit necessary. Nonetheless, it is a life-and-death battle pitting Kenobi's defensive Form III mastery against Vader's angry Form V power. Classically, Form III allows Kenobi to hold off the Dark Lord, but cannot bring him victory against the more powerful Form V. Kenobi instead chooses to surrender his body and become one with the Force. Kenobi's successful effort baffles Vader as his old Master's body disappears at the moment of death.

Source: Insider #62: Fightsaber

Force Speed

Obi-Wan moves at a speed deemed incredible for a being of his age:

Executing a move of incredible swiftness for one so old, Kenobi lunged at the massive shape.

Source: A New Hope

Vader knows Obi-Wan can kill him in the blink of an eye, if his attention falters:

He did not wish them to interfere, but to even warn them of would take concentration that he could not afford at the moment. Should his attention falter, Obi-Wan could kill him in the blink of an eye.

Source: Death Star


Telepathy enables one to influence or outright manipulate another's thoughts.

Obi-Wan utilizes Mind Tricks on a group of Stormtroopers on Tatooine:

The squad leader said, "Let me see your identification."

"You don't need to see his identification," Ben said in a calm, controlled tone.

Looking to his fellow stormtroopers, the squad leader said, "We don't need to see his identification."

Ben said, "These aren't the droids you're looking for."

"These aren't the droids we're looking for," the squad leader repeated.

Luke gave another quick glance at Ben. He's hypnotizing the stormtroopers. But how?

Ben said to the squad leader, "He can go about his business."

Looking at Luke, the squad leader said, "You can go about your business."

"Move along," Ben said.

"Move along," echoed the squad leader, gesturing with his hand for Luke to proceed. "Move along."

Source: A New Hope Junior Novelization

Obi-Wan influences a pair of Stormtroopers to make them think they hear a noise behind them, distracting them enough for him to slip past them:

Using the Force, Ben flexed his fingers and gestured at the two troopers. Both troopers suddenly heard - or thought they heard - a muffled explosion from the doorway behind them, and turned away from the power terminal.

"What was that?" asked the second trooper.

"That's nothing," said the first trooper. "Top gassing. Don't worry about it."

Neither noticed Ben step onto the bridge and exit the generator trench.

Source: A New Hope Junior Novelization

Force Sense

Force Sense is a passive Force power which enables a Force user to feel physical, emotional and mental traits as well as events.

Obi-Wan senses the destruction of Alderaan, light-years away:

"I felt a great disturbance in the Force," Ben said. "As if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened."

Source: A New Hope Junior Novelization

Obi-Wan senses Vader aboard the Death Star, knowing of his presence before seeing him:

Obi-Wan had already known Vader was there, of course. The Force swirled about the two of them, forging a link impossible to miss.

Source: Death Star

Obi-Wan feels the need to use his lightsaber prematurely, a foreshadowing of his fight with Darth Vader:

Ben stood in the shadows of a narrow passageway that adjoined the hallway. When he was sure the troopers had passed, he drew his lightsaber from his belt. He did not activate the blade but held it ready. He had a feeling he would be using his weapon sooner than later. Much sooner.

Source: A New Hope Junior Novelization

Sound Mimicry

Sound Mimicry is a power enabling a Force user to mimic the sounds of others.

Obi-Wan mimics the sound of a Krayt Dragon to scare away Tusken Raiders: (Theatrical and Blu-Ray) (2004)

A great howling moan echoed through the canyon. Hearing the sound, the three Tusken Raiders fled from the landspeeder.

Source: A New Hope Junior Novelization


Jolee Bindo and Bastila Shan Respect Thread

Respect Jolee Bindo:

"I wasn't always the wrinkled coot I am now, you know. I can still fight, too, so wipe off that smirk I see there."

Combat Skill

Jolee defeats four katarns by himself:

Jolee fought and defeated Nayama, somebody who would later go on to kill many Jedi:


Force Slow is a power that slows down the movements and perceptions of an enemy.

Jolee knows Force Slow:


Force wound is a telekinetic application which allows a Force user to directly wound another, often internally.

Jolee knows Force Wound:


Telepathy is the ability to communicate thoughts or affect the mind of another.

Jolee knows Mind Trick:

Jolee uses a series of Mind Tricks to escape a Leviathan cell and coax the Sith guard to lock himself in the cell instead:


Ionize is a Force power that enables a Force user to overload and/or damage electronic systems, allowing a Force user to affect machines such as droids.

Jolee knows Ionize:

Beast Control

Beast Control, also known as Beast Trick or Animal Friendship, is an ability that enables one to control beasts.

Jolee Bindo is talented in Beast Trick:

Jolee Bindo displays Beast Control a creature from Korriban:

Bastila Shan

Respect Bastila Shan:

"The Force fights with me!"


There is immense power in the Shan bloodline:

"Though there was immense power in the Shan bloodline, there is also a streak of unorthodoxy."

Source: The Old Republic Encyclopedia

Combat Skill

Bastila defeats one of the Sith aboard Revan's flagship:

She knocks out a guard with a single hit:

Bastila contends with Darth Malak, one of the greatest swordsmen of his era, long enough for Carth and Revan to escape:

Note: This is the only portion of the fight we see. There is more to the fight, of course.

Bastila seemingly contends with Revan, Jolee Bindo, and Juhani all at once. She is beaten but is unscathed. However, it should be noted that the Jedi were not trying to kill her, so their effort levels are questionable.


Force Heal is a Force power that can heal physical wounds or traumas and accelerate the body's natural healing and regenerative rates.

Bastila reveals that she used her powers to keep a badly wounded Revan from dying, sustaining him for an extensive period of time:

Bastila knows Vital Transfer:


Telepathy is the ability to communicate thoughts or affect the mind of another.

Bastila can utilize Mind Tricks:

Force Slow

Force Slow is a power that slows down the movements and perceptions of an enemy.

Bastila can utilize Force Slow:


Telekinesis is a common Force ability than affords the user the ability to alter and distort reality around them.

Bastila can use Force Slam, Force Grip, and Force Whirlwind:

Bastila telekinetically shoves Mission Vao, knocking her to the ground:

Bastila Force Pulls a guard into her cage so hard that the cage is knocked open, a feat she accomplished with a neural disruptor afflicting her:

Bastila displays Saber Throw:

Bastila unleashes a Force Wave that knocks back and down Revan (only shortly before the Battle of Rakata Prime), Jolee Bindo, and Juhani simultaneously:

Note: This appears to be game mechanics, but it is tantamount to a cutscene as this always happens, regardless of what is done by the player. It is not a varying game mechanic.

Force Stasis

Force Stasis is a Force power which deadens the senses, perceptions and moving capacity of another, freezing them in a catatonic state.

Amped by the Star Forge, Bastila freezes two of Revan's companions with Force Stasis:

Note: The companion aside from Carth is selected by the player, but since whoever it is, regardless of whether it is a Force-sensitive Jedi like Jolee or Juhani or not, Bastila will still place in them in Stasis, so it should be accepted that she could do this to Force users such as Jolee Bindo and Juhani.

Battle Meditation

Battle Meditation is a power enabling an individual to boost the morale and physical performance of his allies and simultaneously erode enemies' wills to fight and hinder their physical performances.

Bastila is one of the youngest Jedi to ever master Battle Meditation:

Bastila Shan utilizes Battle Meditation to enable the Sith fleet to gain an advantage over the Jedi fleet. Upon her redemption, she utilizes Battle Meditation such that the Jedi fleet swiftly gains the upper hand, defeats the Sith Fleet and destroys the Star Forge:

Force Deflection

Force Deflection is a power which enables one to deflect physical and energy attacks.

Bastila knows and is talented in Force Deflection:

Force Valor

Force Valor is a power that enables a Jedi to increase their physical performance and resolve.

Bastila knows Force Valor:


The Exile's Party Respect Thread

This is a composite respect thread for all of the Exile's party. Obviously, since I have already made threads for Kreia and the Exile herself, I will only be including other characters.

It is still incomplete.


Respect HK-47:

"Shall I kill something for you?"

Martial Arts

HK-47 is a proficient martial artist:


HK-47's plating is durasteel battle armor:


HK-47 possesses a heavy blaster rifle:

HK-47 possesses a flamethrower:


Respect T3-M4:


T3-M4 is master slicer:


T3-M4 possesses an integrated blaster that can also fire stun rays:

T3-M4 possesses an electroshock probe:

T3-M4 possesses an integrated flamethrower:

Through the haze of indescribable pain, he saw T3-M4 rushing in to help him. The droid let loose with his flamethrower, bathing the Emperor in fire.

Source: The Old Republic: Revan


Respect G0-T0:

"You could say I'm something of a... patriot."


G0-T0 is a master slicer:


G0-T0 possesses an electroshock probe:

G0-T0 possesses an integrated blaster:

G0-T0 has a special influence over other droids:

Atton Rand

Respect Atton Rand:

"I'm a deserter. It's what I do."

Combat Skill

Atton is skilled in a multitude of weapons:

Atton is revealed to be a master of Echani martial arts, which he is seemingly able to learn from watching Brianna and the Exile sparring:

Telepathic Resistance

Atton's past is revealed when Kreia uses Drain Knowledge on him, but she is forced to exert a surprising amount of effort to do so. She says she is surprised by the fact that she could not sense it previously, and that his feelings were a powerful shield:

Atton reveals he was able to kill and capture many Jedi during the Jedi Civil War, via a plethora of methods. He also reveals that he taught himself "techniques" to prevent himself from being properly detected or have his thoughts sensed by Jedi:

Atton reveals that part of the reason why he it was so difficult for him to be sensed by others was because he was in fact Force-sensitive. This leads to the Exile training him as a Jedi:


Respect Mira:

"I'm Mira. I'm the best bounty hunter in this system—and that's not me bragging, that's fact."


Mira becomes a Jedi and receives a lightsaber, but prior to that, her life as a bounty hunter gave her a diverse arsenal:

Mira possess a blaster pistol:

Mira possesses a wrist rocket that can fire grenades:

Mira possesses a vibroblade:

Mira possesses darts:

Mira possesses rockets:

Mira is proficient in a multitude of weapons:

Visas Marr

Respect Visas Marr:

"My life for yours."


Visas Marr knows and is talented in Dark Healing:

Visas Marr knows Vital Transfer:

Force Wound

Force wound is a telekinetic application which allows a Force user to directly wound another, often internally.

Visas knows Force Wound:


Visas can utilize Shock others with bursts of Lightning


Visas can move objects and knows Force Grip:

Force Deflection

Visas knows and is talented in Deflection:

Force Sight

Born physically blind, any Miraluka must rely on the Force to see their surroundings around them, granting them such perceptions to the point where they entirely see as one normally would, but through the Force. This also allows them to perceive other things such as alignments.

Visas is talented in Force perceptions:

The Exile claims that when Visas attacked, she did something to her eyesight:

Visas teaches the Exile Force Sight, and also confirms that she can affect the sight of others:

Force Sense

Visas senses the Exile across the galaxy as a disturbance in the Force:

Brianna the Handmaiden

Respect Brianna:

"When you risk pain or death for another, there is no truer test of your beliefs and strength."


As a Jedi, Brianna received a lightsaber. Prior to that, she used other weapons as well.

Brianna possesses a quarterstaff:

Brianna possesses a blaster pistol:

Combat Skill & Battle Precognition

Brianna is a masterful user of dual weapons:

Brianna is a proficient martial artist:

She reveals what some of her martial arts abilities are, which includes painfully incapacitating others via nerve strikes, a feat which likely requires considerable precision and skill:

"Atton, restrain yourself. Besides, a blaster would be unnecessary when a nerve strike to his neck would incapacitate him painfully without inflicting any lasting harm."

Source: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords

Brianna has received Echani training:

Brianna is proficient in a number of weapons:

Brianna fights and simultaneously stomps all the other Handmaidens (who should not be dismissed as fodder, as they are skilled martial artists and possess the ability of Battle Precognition), and then appears to fight evenly with Atris, another martial artists and Battle Precognition practitioner, as well as a talented user of Juyo (which requires high-level mastery of multiple other lightsaber forms). She may have killed the Handmaidens by virtue of speedblitz, since their cries are heard in very rapid succession:

Brianna teaches the Exile the Echani fighting style and Battle Precognition:

"It is the way of the Echani to be able to read their opponents - to know where an opponent is going to strike before it connects, anticipate it, and then strike back against them."

Source: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords

Mical the Disciple

Respect Mical:

"I mean… he's alright, I guess. He is like someone who watches too many holovids… or teaches them. He'd get beaten to death on Nar Shaddaa as soon as he landed, though."

Medical Talents

Mical reveals that he has some medical abilities, and can construct and break down medical items:

"I have some training in the medical arts, if you are ever in need of healing as well.


But if you ever need some medical items broken down or constructed, let me know."

Source: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords


Mical teaches the Exile a form of meditation. He meditates regularly to calm himself:

"At times, I meditate, simply close my eyes, and listen. It is quite calming. I try to treasure these moments before the next crisis begins."

Source: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords


He senses Atton behind him whilst meditating and addresses him accordingly:

Mical senses that the Exile is troubled:

"Is something wrong? You look troubled - I can feel it."

Source: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords


Respect Bao-Dur:

"I'll take the stupid one, who decided to threaten us rather than shoot us when he had the chance."


Bao-Dur is a master slicer:


Bao-Dur is a proficient martial artist:

Bao-Dur is a tech specialist:

Note: This can be seen throughout the entire game in any interactions with him, but there is so much material as a result that it cannot be entirely recorded.

Bao-Dur improves HK-47, who is impressed with his mechanical skills:

Bao-Dur is proficient in a multitude of weapons:


Being a Jedi, Bao-Dur receives a lightsaber. Prior to that, he has other weapons.

Bao-Dur possesses a vibroblade:

Bao-Dur possesses a blaster pistol:

Canderous Ordo/Mandalore the Preserver

Respect Mandalore the Preserver, Canderous Ordo:

"I'm someone you don't want to get on the bad side of."


Canderous Ordo possesses a light repeating blaster rifle:

Canderous possesses a dagger gauntlet:

Canderous possesses a blaster gauntlet:

Mandalore owns a Basilisk War Droid:

Canderous has various implants that augment his strength, regeneration, endurance and alacrity:


Canderous wears the signature beskar armor of a Mandalorian:


Darth Chratis Respect Thread

Respect Darth Chratis:

"There can be no peace because peace is the lie."


Darth Chratis can kill his apprentice, Eldon Ax, as easily as swatting a fly:

Her life had been too short - just seventeen years! - but she wouldn't raise a hand to defend herself, if her master chose to end it now. There would be no point. He could strike her down as easily as swatting a fly.

Source: Fatal Alliance

Shigar Konshi recognizes that he can only contend with Darth Chratis physically - and that if the fight descended into one including Force powers, that he would lose:

He struck back only with his blade, knowing that he would lose if the fight descended into a free-for-all of telekinesis and other Force powers. That was inevitable.

Source: Fatal Alliance


Darth Chratis duels roughly evenly with Shigar Konshi, but does manage to press an early edge and Shigar recognizes that he cannot defeat Chratis by virtue of raw skill - only if the latter made a mistake. Chratis ultimately wins via Force Lightning:

His lightsaber moved as though of its own accord, sweeping forward into Darth Chratis's reach with an almost delighted hum. Their blades clashed together once, twice, three times, and the Sith edged back a step.

"Yes, excellent - "

Shigar didn't let him talk, pressing him with another combination of moves, staying light on his feet for the inevitable responses, feeling with every instinct, every breath, what must be done. They danced together along the lip of the crater, in full view of the surviving members of the attack force. No signals went up, no word to disband the alliance; comms were down, so the joint assault of Sebaddon went on.

Darth Chratis rallied with a series of bold, vicious strikes that cost Shigar the ground he had made, and more. He struck back only with his blade, knowing that he would lose if the duel descended into a free-for-all of telekinesis and other Force powers. That was inevitable. His only hope lay in Darth Chratis making an early mistake, giving Shigar an edge. Even then, it was going to be hard. Sith didn't die easily.

Neither do Jedi, he told himself, even as sweat trickled into his eyes and he tossed his helmet away, to better the fight unhindered.

"You are growing weary," said the Sith Lord. "Your resolve is weakening. I can feel it. You know that you will never beat me this way. Your only hope is to reach into your heart for the anger that we both know is there."

"Anger will never rule me."

"Think of the Grand Master. Think of your homeworld and all who died there. Tell yourself that I killed them, and seek that strength that knowledge brings."

"You had nothing to do with Kiffu."

"Didn't I?"

Shigar fought on, matching Darth Chratis blow for blow. The red blade took three centimeters off his braid. He scored a line across the Sith's right shoulder.

"You cannot win without the dark side."

Shigar silenced his thoughts and feelings. He was only the blade. He was only the Force.

"You cannot win without the dark side."

Darth Chratis sent a wave of lightning across the gap between them. Shigar tried to catch it with his lightsaber. The shock coursed up the blade, into the hilt, and from there into his right arm. It burned like acid, much more powerful and insidious than the blast Eldon ax had hit him with on Hutta. It didn't just hurt. It ate at his resolve, telling him to fight fire with fire, to use the Sith Lord's own weapons against him in defiance of his own Master's advice. If he didn't, he would surely die.

Source: Fatal Alliance


Darth Chratis spends an hour every day meditating in a sarcophagus without light or air, forcing him to rely on his own power to survive:

In order to focus most effectively, he occupied at least one hour a day in a coffin-like shell that allowed no light or air, forcing him to rely solely on his own energies to survive.

Source: Fatal Alliance


Chratis telekinetically slams Eldon Ax into a wall before she could react, despite the fact that she had been expecting such to happen:

The blow came so fast she couldn't avoid it, even though she'd expected it from the moment she boarded the Paramount. She felt herself swept up and thrust with crushing force into the nearest bulkhead, and held there, unable to move.

Source: Fatal Alliance


Chratis casually Chokes his apprentice Eldon Ax:

The cold, strong grip of the Force was back at her throat, pulling her irresistibly upright until she was standing on tiptoes.

Source: Fatal Alliance

Whilst meditating in his sarcophagus (which thus prevents gesturing), Chratis slams Eldon Ax into a wall and pins her there:

The blow came so fast she couldn't avoid it, even though she'd expected it from the moment she boarded the Paramount. She felt herself swept up and thrust with crushing force into the nearest bulkhead, and held there, unable to move.

Source: Fatal Alliance

Together with Shigar Konshi, Chratis twists blast doors apart as if they were made of tinfoil:

Operating in tandem, they were able to twist the blast doors aside as though they were made of tinfoil.

Source: Fatal Alliance

Telepathy & Memory Rub

Darth Chratis reveals that he had placed a memory block on his apprentice Eldon Ax's mind, preventing her from knowing her past. He displays the ability to remove the block as well as apply it:

"The block is strong," he said, and it was as though the words came from inside her head. "It's standing between you and the truth. I release it. I release you, Ax. You are free to know the truth about your past."

Source: Fatal Alliance

Chratis uses the Force to make it appear as if he was standing next to Eldon Ax, to the point where she appears to feel him next to her. However, as the lights burst on, Chratis is revealed to be in his sarcophagus for the entirety of the affair, indicating he had influenced Eldon Ax's mind to an extent:

The deadly hiss of her Master's voice slid like a red-hot needle into her right ear. She could feel him next to her, even though the room was in absolute darkness. His presence was like a foul-burning fire in the fabric of space itself.


The lights burst on, blindingly bright. She fell to the floor, released, and blinked away bright afterimages. The room was square, black and empty apart from her Master's meditation sarcophagus mounted securely in the center. He was inside it, his withered face hidden safely behind the lid.

He had never been standing beside her at all.

Source: Fatal Alliance

Chratis claims to be able to crush Eldon Ax's mind to dust:

"Allow me to explain, Master."

"If you cannot, I will crush your mind to dust."

Source: Fatal Alliance

Chratis reads Eldon Ax's mind:

"Abase yourself before me," he told her, "and swear to me that the thought I see in your mind is not another reason I should kill you now."

Source: Fatal Alliance

This time by a third-person objective narrator, Chratis is stated to be able to crack Eldon Ax's mind with a thought:

Darth Chratis held her mind like an egg, ready to crack it with a thought.

Source: Fatal Alliance

Eldon Ax only dares to hold dark thoughts against her master once she reaches a safe distance:

Only when she was sure she had reached a safe distance did she dare think, You can expect no mercy from me, Master, the day our positions are reversed.

Source: Fatal Alliance

Chratis reads Shigar Konshi's mind and then communicates with him telepathically:

He leapt, vowing, I will never be your apprentice, Darth Chratis.

A silken sinister voice came back to him in reply.

Make no rash promises. After all, I may soon be in need of a new one.

Source: Fatal Alliance


Shigar notes that Darth Chratis's Lightning is much more powerful than Eldon Ax's as Chratis's Lightning leaves several Hex Droids (who were immune to an enraged Eldon Ax's Force Crush, as well as conventional attacks and even lightsaber strikes) in paroxysms in which state they were left vulnerable to conventional attack:

Darth Chratis also had another weapon that Shigar did not. His lightning was much more powerful than Eldon Ax's efforts and had an effect similar to the electrified nets Stryver had fired at the hexes on Hutta, sending them into paroxysms that left them vulnerable to conventional attack.

Source: Fatal Alliance

Chratis scatters a mass of hex droids with Force Lightning:

Force lightning spread through them in waves, breaking the mass into manageable parts.

Source: Fatal Alliance

Darth Chratis unleashes Force Lightning that hurts Shigar Konshi, triggers a psychological war in his mind, burns his suit, and destroys his lightsaber, turning it into blackened pieces at his feet. Again, Shigar notes that the blast was much more powerful and insidious than the blast Eldon Ax had hit him with on Hutta:

Darth Chratis sent a wave of lightning across the gap between them. Shigar tried to catch it with his lightsaber. The shock coursed up the blade, into the hilt, and from there into his right arm. It burned like acid, much more powerful and insidious than the blast Eldon ax had hit him with on Hutta. It didn't just hurt. It ate at his resolve, telling him to fight fire with fire, to use the Sith Lord's own weapons against him in defiance of his own Master's advice. If he didn't, he would surely die.


His lightsaber lay in blackened pieces at his feet. His suit stank of smoke.

Source: Fatal Alliance

Force Shield

Darth Chratis utilizes a Force Shield:

Darth Chratis vanished behind a shimmering Force shield.

Source: Fatal Alliance

Sense and Dun Moch

Chratis senses that Shigar Konshi is tiring and that his resolve is weakening, and then uses this as a means of Dun Moch to taunt him:

"You are growing weary," said the Sith Lord. "Your resolve is weakening. I can feel it. You know that you will never beat me this way. Your only hope is to reach into your heart for the anger that we both know is there."

"Anger will never rule me."

"Think of the Grand Master. Think of your homeworld and all who died there. Tell yourself that I killed them, and seek that strength that knowledge brings."

"You had nothing to do with Kiffu."

"Didn't I?"

Shigar fought on, matching Darth Chratis blow for blow. The red blade took three centimeters off his braid. He scored a line across the Sith's right shoulder.

"You cannot win without the dark side."

Shigar silenced his thoughts and feelings. He was only the blade. He was only the Force.

"You cannot win without the dark side."

Source: Fatal Alliance
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