Darth Bane Respect Thread

Darth Bane is a powerful and legendary Sith Lord who invented the Rule of Two - a doctrine lasting until the period of the films themselves, despite Bane living almost a thousand years before The Phantom Menace. His powers are somewhat analogous to the likes of Darth Malgus and Darth Vader.

Note: This thread is still in completion. I am trying to record Bane's best feats in each category first, which would be a better and more useful indication of his abilities. As such, I will not be including paltry feats that could be replicated by any typical seasoned Force user. I am still not done with the thread, though, and probably nowhere near finished at this point.

Respect Darth Bane:

Strength

He tears a durasteel door of its hinges:

Another locked durasteel door blocked the only exit. Bane tossed the blaster aside and tore the door off its hinges.

Source: Dynasty of Evil

Bane throws himself shoulder first into a door that bursts open from the impact and sends him tumbling into the room beyond:

The Dark Lord charged up the steps and threw himself shoulder-first into the door at the top. It burst open from the impact, sending him tumbling into the room beyond. Source: Dynasty of Evil

Speed

Before receiving any training in the Force, Bane fires shots that kill eight out of nine people in less than three seconds, and from his perspective, it is as if time slowed down:

It was as if time had slowed down.

....

It had taken fewer than three seconds to wipe out eight of the nine soldiers.

Source: Path of Destruction

Bane moves so quickly that time itself seems to stop for the rest of the world, and in the blink of an eye, he knocks the saber from Sirak's hand and shatters his forearm and lower leg. For an instant, all the spectators (which are all Force-sensitive) lose track of what transpired, taking them a moment to register the blur of movement that had been imperceptible to even their perceptions:

He waited until the last possible second before unleashing the energy bottled up inside him in a tremendous rush of power. He channeled it through his muscles and limbs, moving so fast it seemed as if time had stopped for the rest of the world. In the blink of an eye he knocked the saber from Sirak’s hand, sliced down to shatter his forearm, then spun through and brought his saber crashing into his opponent’s lower leg. It splintered under the impact and Sirak screamed as a shard of gleaming white bone sliced through muscle, sinew, and finally skin.

For an instant none of the spectators was even aware of what had happened; it took their minds a moment to catch up and register the blur of action that had occurred so much quicker than their eyes could see.

Bane deflects raindrops from a storm with his lightsaber for a full ten minutes - also dodging and twisting to avoid the few drops that bypass his lightsaber:

Feeling a blast of cold wind blow in, he crouched low and opened himself up to the Force, letting it flow through him. Drawing on it to extend his awareness out to encompass each individual bead of rain as it fell from the sky, he resolved not to let a single drop touch his exposed flesh.

He could sense the power of the dark side building inside him. It began, as it always did, with a faint spark, a tiny flicker of light and heat. Muscles tense and coiled in anticipation, he fed the spark, fueling it with his own passion, letting his anger and fury transform the flame into an inferno waiting to be unleashed.

As the first fat drops splattered onto the patio stones around him, Bane exploded into action. Abandoning the overpowering style of Djem So, he shifted to the quicker sequences of Soresu, his lightsaber tracing tight circles above his head in a series of movements designed to intercept enemy blaster bolts. The wind rose to a howling gale, and the scattered drops quickly became a downpour. His body and mind united as one, he channeled the infinite power of the Force against the driving rain.

Tiny clouds of hissing steam formed as his blade picked off the descending drops while Bane twisted, twirled, and contorted his body to evade those few that managed to slip through his defenses. For the next ten minutes he battled the pelting storm, reveling in the power of the dark side. And then, as suddenly as it had begun, the tempest was gone, the dark cloud scurrying away on the breeze. Breathing hard, Bane extinguished his lightsaber. His skin was sheened in sweat, but not a single drop of rain had touched his bare flesh.

Source: Dynasty of Evil

He sense the presence of intruders in his home and registers it all in less than a tenth of a second:

All this flashed through Bane's mind in less than a tenth of a second - just enough time for it to register before the sonic detonators on either side of him went off.

Source: Dynasty of Evil

Telekinesis

Amplified by both the energies of Lehon (which are more potent than those on Korriban) and the nearby temple (which was enough to make Bane feel light-headed), after gathering energies for a brief period, Bane is able to unleash a telekinetic wave that collapses the entire temple and buries Kas'im inside:

On the landing high above Kas’im stood beneath the massive arch of the Temple entrance, staring down at him.

"I will follow you wherever you run," he said. "Wherever you go I will eventually find you and kill you. Don’t live your life in fear, Bane. Better to end it now."

"I agree," Bane replied, hurling out the wave of Force energy he had been gathering during the Blademaster’s speech.

There was nothing subtle about Bane’s attack: the massive shock wave shook the very foundations of the great Rakatan Temple. The concussive blast had enough power to shatter every bone in Kas’im’s body and pulverize his flesh into a mass of pulpy liquid. But at the last possible instant he threw up a shield to protect himself from the attack.

Unfortunately, he couldn’t shield the Temple around him. The walls exploded into great chunks of rubble. The archway collapsed in a shower of stone, burying Kas’im beneath tons of rock and mortar. A second later the rest of the roof caved in, drowning out the Twi’lek’s dying screams with a deafening rumble.

Bane watched the spectacle of the Temple’s implosion from the safety of the ground at the foot of the stairs. Billowing clouds of dust rolled out from the wreckage and down the stairs toward him. Exhausted by the long lightsaber battle and drained by the sudden unleashing of the Force, he simply lay there until he was covered in a layer of fine white powder.

Source: Path of Destruction

He casually kills Qordis, the headmaster of the Sith Academy, with the Force:

"And therein lies the problem." Bane lashed out with the dark side, seizing Qordis in an immobilizing, crushing grip. His opponent tried to protect himself, throwing up a field to deflect the incoming assault, but Bane’s attack tore through the pitiful defense, wiping it away as if it hadn’t even been there.

There was a strangled cry of pain from Qordis as the Force tightened around him and lifted him up from the ground.

"Your wisdom has destroyed our order," Bane explained casually, watching as Qordis struggled helplessly above him. "You have polluted the minds of your followers; you and Kaan have led them down the path of ruin."

"I—I don’t understand," Qordis gasped, barely able to speak as the breath was squeezed inexorably from his lungs.

"That has always been the problem," Bane replied. "The Brotherhood must be purged. The Sith must be destroyed and rebuilt. You, Kaan, and all the others must be wiped from the face of the galaxy. That is why I have returned."

Dawning horror spread across Qordis’s long, drawn features. "Please he groaned, "not...like this. Release me. Let me...draw my lightsaber. Let us fight...like Sith."

Bane tilted his head to the side. "Surely you know I could kill you just as easily with my lightsaber as I could with the Force."

"I...know." Qordis’s skin was turning red, and his body was trembling as the pressure mounted. Each word he spoke took tremendous effort, yet somehow the dying man found the strength to make his final plea. "More...honor...in...death...by...combat."

Bane gave an indifferent shrug. "Honor is for the living. Dead is dead."

A final push with his mind tightened the invisible vise. Qordis let out a final scream, but with no air in his lungs it came out only as a rattling gasp that was lost beneath the snapping and crackling of his bones.

Had Bane still been capable of such emotions he might actually have pitied the man. As it was, he simply let the corpse fall to the ground then wandered into Kaan’s tent and the communications equipment inside.

Source: Path of Destruction

Bane unleashes a Force Wave that devastates a campsite - uprooting and shredding tents, exploding wooden crates into kindling and shattering its contents, and pulverizing the spine of a woman as well as snapping her neck as it completely floors her and she dies:

The wave cut a swath of devastation through the camp. Tents were uprooted from the ground, their material torn and shredded. Wooden supply crates exploded into kindling, the shattered contents spraying out in a shower of splintered shrapnel. The Force wave slammed into the woman's back, pulverizing her spine and snapping her neck as it drove her facedown into the dirt and pinned her against the ground. Her corpse twitched once, then went forever still.

Source: Rule of Two

After extensive channeling, Bane unleashes a telekinetic push that sends a heavy slab flying across the room to strike the wall with a thud and leave a large crack behind:

Summoning his strength, Bane reached out with the Force and tried to pull the stone toward him. It barely moved. The stone was heavy, but it was more than sheer mass that held it in place. There was something fighting his power, resisting him. Bane took a deep breath and tilted his head from side to side, loudly cracking his neck as he gathered himself for another attempt.

This time he went deep, plunging into the well of power that dwelled within his core. He reached back into his past, dredging up memories buried deep in his subconscious: memories of his father, Hurst; memories of the beatings; memories of the hatred he bore for the man who had raised him. As he did so, he felt his power building.

It started, as it always did, with a single spark of heat. The spark quickly became a flame, and the flame an inferno. Bane's body trembled with the strain as he fought to contain the power, letting the dark side energy build to a critical mass. He forced himself to endure the unbearable heat as long as he could, then thrust his fist forward, channeling everything inside him toward the stone blocking him from his destiny.

The heavy slab flew across the room and struck the far wall with a heavy thud. A long vertical crack appeared in the wall, though the dark stone block itself was undamaged. Bane dropped to his knees, panting from the exertion.

Source: Rule of Two

Bane sends Orbalisks flying with the Force, and with two Orbalisks attached to him to enhance his powers, he easily pulls the stone slab to plug the entrance again:

The rest of the creatures were sent hurtling away from him like leaves swept up by a fierce wind; they clacked and clattered as they struck the walls of the room.

...

His powers were enhanced by both pain and a desperate urgency, and the block moved easily for him this time, flying across the chamber to plug the entrance before anymore of the strange crustaceans could scuttle out after him.

Source: Rule of Two

Bane crushes a pair of men with a couch they had been using for cover:

Bane slapped aside the incoming bolts away with his lightsaber, then thrust out a hand to send the couch slamming straight back into the wall, crushing the men who had been using it for cover.

Source: Dynasty of Evil

Bane unleashes a turbulent telekinetic storm that absorbs blaster bolts, melts blasters and burns several guards' flesh. He unleashes another Force Wave that pummels guards and sends them sailing into the walls hard enough to leave cracks in the stone, and leaves the half a dozen bodies dead with shattered bones and crushed organs:

But Bane's visceral, primal assault on the squad in the room below had fueled the cycle of rising emotion and mounting dark side power. He met their assault with an explosion of crackling energy that rippled out in a violet wave from his body at the center. The incoming bolts were absorbed harmlessly into the ionic storm, the blasters themselves melted in the hands of their owners. The stench of burned flesh mingled with their screams of agony and the relentless, hammering song of the alarms, further feeding Bane's power.

Crouched on one knee, he clenched both fists then threw his arms out to either side, fingers splayed wide. The resulting Force wave pummeled the guards, sending them hurtling backward so they bounced off the walls hard enough to leave cracks in the stone.

Bane rose to his feet in the center of the carnage. Half a dozen bodies lay strewn about him, bones shattered, internal organs crushed into pulp. One choked out a pink, frothing spray with his final breath; all the others were still.

Source: Dynasty of Evil

Lightning

Bane unleashes Lightning that cooks a pair of men and leaves behind charred corpses:

Clenching the fingers of his left hand tight against his open palm, Bane wheeled toward the two men on his right and thrust his fist up into the air. A dozen forks of blue lightning arced out from above his head to envelop the screaming soldiers, cooking them alive. Shrieking in agony, they danced and twitched like marionettes on electric strings for several seconds before their smoking husks collapsed on the ground.

Source: Rule of Two

Bane uses Lightning to burn away webbing that was holding him in place:

The Iktotchi landed just as Bane unleashed a wave of crackling electricity that burned away the webbing of the tangle guns.

Source: Dynasty of Evil

Bane's Lightning impacts Zannah's blade with enough force to stagger her:

As she moved in for the kill another burst of lightning came toward her. She caught it with her lightsaber, but the impact drove her backward a step, giving Bane just enough room to duck down beneath her coup de grace and scramble clear of the wall.

Source: Dynasty of Evil

Just as Zannah moves her blade for the kill, Bane encases himself in a cocoon of Lightning that, upon impact, knocks him into the wall and sends Zannah flying a full ten meters:

She was less than a meter away, her blade already slashing in for the killing blow, when she felt all the hair on the back of her neck rise. A shimmering purple cocoon of dark side energy enveloped Bane, a fragile shell holding back a storm of pure power.

She tried to pull back but it was too late. As her blade bit into the cocoon the energy was released in a sudden burst that sent both of them flying backward. Bane slammed hard into the wall against his back and crumpled to the ground. Zannah was tossed ten meters farther, landing hard on the stone floor. The rose to their feet at the same time, neither seriously injured. But yet again Bane had managed to thwart her attack and work himself out of a corner.

Source: Dynasty of Evil

Deflection

He deflects a number of Orbalisks as they attempt to latch onto him:

With one hand clutching the Holocron, he swiped at them with his lightsaber and deflected others with the power of the Force.

Source: Rule of Two

Barrier

Bane shields himself with the Force to render himself unharmed by half a dozen concussion grenades:

Half a dozen concussion grenades tossed in from every side clattered on the floor at his feet. As they exploded, Bane simply enveloped himself in the Force, creating a protective cocoon that absorbed the impact and left him standing completely unharmed.

Source: Dynasty of Evil

Drain

Aided by Darth Andeddu's temple, Bane creates a Death Field that kills a number of cultists:

Despite their numbers, Bane instantly realized they posed no real threat. Though they worshiped one of the ancient Sith, these were ordinary men and women. The Force did not flow through their veins; they were nothing but fodder. Their fury might be fueled by the dark side energies emanating from the temple, but Bane could just as easily draw upon the same power, letting it build until he unleashed it against his foes.

A decade earlier he would have eagerly engaged them in physical combat, his body pumped full of adrenaline released by the orbalisks that had covered his flesh. Swept up in a mindless rage, he would have carved a bloody swath through their numbers, hacking and slashing at his helpless enemies while relying on the impenetrable shells of the orbalisks to protect him from their blows. But the orbalisks were gone now. He was no longer invulnerable to physical attacks, yet he was also no longer a slave to the primal bloodlust that used to overwhelm him. Free from the parasitic infestation, he was able to dispatch his enemies using the Force rather than relying solely on brute strength.

Bane extinguished his weapon and stood perfectly still, allowing the swarming horde to close in on him as he gathered his strength. He called upon the power of the temple itself, feeding on it to bolster his own abilities as he created a deadly field around his body. It began as a tight circle, but quickly spread outward until it extended to a radius of ten meters, with the Sith Lord at the center. The air within the circumference of the field suddenly became darker, as if the light from the red sun above had been suddenly dimmed.

Cloaked in the shadowy gloom, Bane simply held his ground against the enemy assault. The front ranks of onrushing cultists shrieked in agony as they entered the field, their life essence violently sucked out of their bodies, aging them a thousand years in only a few seconds. Muscles and tendons atrophied instantaneously; their skin withered and shrank, pulling tight across their bones. Eyes and tongues shriveled, turning them into mummified husks before their desiccated flesh crumbled away, leaving only skeletal remains and a few strands of hair.

The effort of creating an aura of pure dark side energy would have quickly exhausted even Bane. However, as his enemies fell he was able to draw their essence into himself, feeding on their energies to revitalize his fading strength and reinforcing the field in preparation for the next wave of victims.

Source: Dynasty of Evil

Orbalisk Darth Bane

When encrusted by Orbalisks, Darth Bane becomes more powerful than usual and is nearly invulnerable.

Strength

Bane strikes hard enough to disarm a Battle Meditation-amped Jedi Master with a single blow:

Even so, the strength behind the attack tore Farfalla's golden blade from his grip, sending his lightsaber skittering across the floor.

Source: Rule of Two

Speed

Bane speedblitzes a Shadow Assassin:

He leapt forward and cut the first red-robed figure down before he - or she - had a chance to react, a single slash of his lightsaber bisecting the unfortunate opponent horizontally, just above the waste.

Source: Rule of Two

Bane spins like a whirlwind, making it appear to be in multiple places at once:

As he spun like a whirlwind, his blade appeared to be everywhere at once: hacking, slashing, and slicing his enemies to ribbons.

Source: Rule of Two

Bane generates a dozen afterimages with his blade:

When it was over her Master turned to face her. She waited for him to demand an explanation, but instead he let loose with a cry and flew at her. Zannah barely had time to ignite her twin blades to meet his completely unexpected attack.

She fell into a defensive posture as she so often had during their training sessions. But this was no drill, and her Master came at her with a speed and ferocity she had never faced before. Giving in to his orbalisk-fueled bloodrage, he was like a wild animal, raining savage blows down on her from all angles, the strikes coming so fast it seemed as if he wielded a dozen blades at the same time. Zannah fell into a full retreat, desperately giving ground beneath the overwhelming assault.

Source: Rule of Two

Durability & Regeneration

He is only staggered by a million-volt electrical attack set upon him by five maximum-charge force pikes, a single one of which should have been enough to subdue a bantha:

The remaining five struck Bane almost simultaneously, their force pikes sending a million volts of current through his body. The orbalisks absorbed most of the charge, but enough filtered through to jolt him from his teeth down to his toes.

The Dark Lord staggered and fell to his knees. But instead of rushing in to finish him off, the assassins simply stood their ground. The idea that anything smaller than a bantha could withstand a direct hit from a force pike set to maximum charge - let alone five pikes at the same time - was inconceivable.

Source: Rule of Two

He is hit again by a Force pike but shrugs it off effortlessly:

Fueled by rage and fury, Bane shrugged off the deadly electrical shock like a rancor shrugging off the bite of a venn-bug.

Source: Rule of Two

Multiple technobeasts attack Bane but fail to penetrate his Orbalisk armor:

But the others surged forward like a wave, driving him under. Their feet stomped and kicked at him; their bladed arms slashed at him as he lay prone on the floor. But none of their attacks could pierce the chitinous shells of his orbalisk armor.

Source: Rule of Two

Bane withstands a several-hundred-meter fall with injuries that heal quickly:

The riderless drexl slammed into Bane's flier the exact instant he engaged the final team. The three beasts intertwined with one another, becoming a single, screaming mass of flesh, claws, and teeth hurtling toward the ground below. A spray of hot, foamy blood splashed across Bane's face as the creatures ripped one another apart. For a brief instant he glimpsed one of the other riders through the flailing wings and limbs of their mounts, her features frozen as she realized they were all tumbling toward a gruesome and inescapable end.

Bane released his hold on the drexl's mind and concentrated his awareness on the terror of the other three riders. He drank in their fear, using it to fuel his own emotions. He focused his power and channeled it through the orbalisks, letting them gorge themselves on the dark side. In return they pumped a fresh dose of adrenaline and hormones into his blood, allowing him to generate even more power in a cycle he repeated over and over until the moment before impact.

Zannah saw the last three flying creatures lock onto one another. As they dropped from the sky, spiraling down faster and faster, she watched them, waiting for one to break free and mount back up to the heavens. None ever did.

She screamed in horror as they all slammed into the ground together. The sound of the crash was like an explosion; the shock wave knocked Zannah off her feet and launched a great cloud of dust and debris into the air. The cloud rolled quickly over the ground to envelop her.

The would-be Sith apprentice struggled to rise, coughing and choking as small chunks of dirt and stone rained down on her. Through the haze she stared in wonder at the twenty-meter-wide, two-meter-deep crater left behind. In the center was a gore-covered mountain of pulverized flesh: the individual bodies of mounts and riders compacted into a single pulpy, quivering mass. And walking toward her from the carnage was the bloodsoaked form of her Master.

He was limping and hunched over, with one arm clutched at his side. Yet even through the obscuring dust Zannah recognized him immediately. She could only stare in utter disbelief as he drew nearer, his gait becoming more sure and steady with every stride. With each step he stood taller and straighter, and when he let his arm fall away from his side, her heart began to pound with excitement.

Darth Bane was alive! And the power that had let him survive this incredible ordeal—the power of the dark side—would one day be hers to command! Overcome with emotion, she stepped forward to embrace her Master...only to recoil when she saw the alien growth protruding from his chest.

Source: Rule of Two

Telekinesis

Bane unleashes a telekinetic attack that penetrates multiple Shadow Assassins' combined Force Barrier, knocking two of them to the ground and sending too more sailing through the air:

Channeling their power, they could form a protective shield around themselves to negate the Force attacks of their enemies. But if an opponent was strong enough, a concentrated attack could still breach the barrier. Darth Bane, Dark Lord of the Sith, was definitely strong enough.

Two of the assassins were stopped in their tracks, knocked to the ground as if they had run into an invisible wall. Two more, weaker and less able to defend themselves against Bane's power, were sent flying backward. Only the fifth was strong enough to resist the Sith Lord's throw and continue his charge.

Source: Rule of Two

Bane disintegrates a dozen technobeasts:

As his fingers closed over the Holocron he heard a noise that caused him to pull his hand back with a start. It sounded like the moan of a long-dead god rising from the grave; a hundred mechanized limbs sprang to action with an angry hum as the monsters swarmed over him.

Bane thrust out with the Force, and a dozen of the oncoming creatures exploded into dust and tiny flecks of small, twisted metal. But the others surged forward like a wave, driving him under. Their feet stomped and kicked at him; their bladed arms slashed at him as he lay prone on the floor. But none of their attacks could pierce the chitinous shells of his orbalisk armor.

Source: Rule of Two

Lightning

Bane unleashes Lightning that reduces a drexl into a chunk of charred and smoking flesh and deforms the riders' flesh to ash:

Bane didn't take the time to revel in the fear of his fallen enemies. Before they even hit the ground he'd turned his attention to the third opponent, unleashing a storm of Sith lightning that reduced the riders to ash and the drexl into a hunk of charred and smoking flesh that dropped from the sky.

Source: Rule of Two
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Blog Organization

This is just an organization of all my EU blogs. Of course, I will update these lists as time goes on and I create/cancel a number of blogs.

Respect Threads

It should be obvious that I do take pleasure in making several respect threads for EU characters. I often create these for underrated characters, but I also make some for my favorites and some for no real reason at all - usually because they're easy and not too many comic or novel appearances to dig up.

Completed/In Completion

Darth Venamis

Qui-Gon Jinn

Darth Tenebrous

Satele Shan

Meetra Surik

Kreia

Obi-Wan Kenobi

Abeloth

Count Dooku/Darth Tyranus

Darth Bane & Orbalisk Darth Bane

To Be Created

These are just plans, of course, and most aren't priorities. I can't say which ones I will or won't do. Chratis should be easy because he only has one appearance, but I also want to do Bane in the near future. Cognus, Malgus and Vitiate are also reasonably easy to make, but I do also want to make one for Darth Zannah, but I'll have to see if DC still wants to do her. Silver2467 may also express interest in many of these characters if he returns.

Anakin Skywalker

Darth Vader

Darth Chratis

Mace Windu

Asajj Ventress

Pre-TCW General Grievous

Ben Kenobi

Kit Fisto

Darth Zannah

Darth Cognus

Darth Malgus

Vitiate

Ferus Olin

Overrated/Underrated

Similar to my respect threads, but more explanations on how certain characters are overrated/underrated. I've started with Sith Lords and I'm doing them chronologically. I'll do Jedi and eventually other characters, but that'll take quite the while and I haven't organized them yet. Tulak Hord is also incredibly overrated, but he has no appearances at all and everything is just lip-service, so I don't think he even deserves a blog.

Otherwise, again, there is no confirmation I will actually create these and because the Sith tend to be the ones who are overrated or underrated, they will be my priorities.

Completed

Overrated - Marka Ragnos

Overrated - Naga Sadow

Overrated - Exar Kun

Overrated - Darth Nihilus & Darth Sion

To Be Created

Sith

Underrated - Darth Traya

Overrated - Vitiate

Underrated/Overrated - Darth Malgus

Overrated - Darth Bane

Underrated - Darth Zannah

Underrated - Darth Tenebrous

Underrated/Overrated - Darth Plagueis

Underrated - Darth Maul (TPM)

Underrated - Darth Vader

Overrated - Darth Krayt (maybe)

Jedi

Overrated - Revan

Underrated - Qui-Gon Jinn

Overrated - Mace Windu

Underrated - Agen Kolar

Underrated - Saesee Tiin

Underrated - Ki-Adi Mundi

Overrated - Shaak Ti

Overrated - Obi-Wan Kenobi

Underrated - Anakin Skywalker

Overrated - Cin Drallig

Other

Underrated - Asajj Ventress

Underrated/Overrated - Pre-TCW General Grievous

Misconceptions

These are just created as a response to the misconceptions I see floating around in the battles forum. I might do some at random. So honestly, I can't really say I have plans to create any of them in the near future unless some misconception gets out of hand.

Created

Count Dooku vs Mace Windu

Were the Jedi Masters who accompanied Mace Windu in Chancellor Palpatine's arrest really that weak?

Obi-Wan vs Anakin

To Be Created

The only ones I can say I plan to make are:

Who is the most powerful Sith Lord?

Could Darth Sidious have killed Darth Plagueis in a proper fight?

Witches of the Mist Inconsistencies

Miscellaneous

Random blogs created for varying purposes.

EU Reading Guide

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Darth Venamis Feats Compilation

Venamis is an incredibly obscure character with little real characterization or description due to his own lack of appearances, and is not very often, if at all, used on the boards. However, his showings do have a level of merit and his duel with Plagueis is often used as a dueling feat for Plagueis since it is Plagueis's only known dueling feat. There are no canonical images of Venamis, and I have little respect for him anyways. I just want to convey his feats.

Combat Skill

Darth Venamis is an enthusiastic combatant and enjoys lightsaber duels,

To Plagueis, lightsaber duels were tedious affairs, full of wasted emotion and needless acrobatics. Tenebrous, however, who had pronounced Plagueis a master of the art, had always enjoyed a good fight, and had clearly bequeathed that enthusiasm to his other trainee.

Source: Darth Plagueis

Venamis can use multiple forms ambidextrously, and Plagueis is apparently surprised by his skill with a blade:

For no sooner had the blades of their weapons clashed than Venamis began to bring the fight to him in unexpected ways, twirling his surprisingly limber body, tossing the lightsaber from hand to hand, mixing forms.

Source: Darth Plagueis

Venamis is able to fight while suspended in the air, as if on high ground, which is also a testament to his combat skills and their synergy with his Force abilities:

At one point he leapt onto an overhanging greel branch and, when Plagueis severed it with a Force blow, hung suspended in the air—no mean feat in itself—and continued the fight, as if from high ground.

Source: Darth Plagueis

Venamis was trained to become an expert in Darth Plagueis's style by Darth Tenebrous, allowing him to not only present a challenge to Plagueis, but also briefly penetrate his defenses. Only when Plagueis revises his strategy is Venamis beaten:

Worse for Plagueis, Tenebrous had made Venamis an expert in Plagueis’s style, and so the Bith could not only anticipate but counter Plagueis’s every move. In short order, Venamis penetrated his defenses, searing the side of Plagueis’s neck.

Source: Darth Plagueis

Speed

Venamis fights and runs so quickly that his contest with Plagueis would have looked to an onlooker like lightning flashing through the forest's understory, which is even more impressive when one considers the unfavorable terrain:

The contest took them backward and forward through the trees, across narrow streams, and up onto piles of rocks that were the ruins of an ancient sentry post. Plagueis took a moment to wonder if anyone at the fort was observing the results of the contest, which, from afar, must have looked like lightning flashing through the forest’s understory.

Source: Darth Plagueis

Concealment

Venamis is able to able to succeed in traveling to the surface of Sojourn undetected. Plagueis himself cannot sense the dark side in him, only the Force, which is a testament to Venamis's own potency with Force Concealment:

A Jedi spy? he wondered.

They had tried repeatedly to penetrate Sojourn’s defenses during previous Gatherings. But unless one had arrived in a ship designed and built by Darth Tenebrous, there would have been no way to reach the surface undetected. And yet someone had obviously succeeded in making it downside. Lifting his hand from the hilt of the lightsaber, Damask minimized his presence in the Force, surrendering his eminence and disappearing into the material world. Then he began to move deeper into the forest, winding his way through the trees, allowing the Jedi to stalk him even as he berated himself for having acted rashly. If it came to ambush, he would not be able to fight back and risk exposing himself as a Sith. He should have allowed the Sun Guards to deal with the intruder.

But why would a Jedi bother to trip the perimeter sensors only to retreat beyond their reach? They didn’t make mistakes of that sort. And surely whoever was out there wouldn’t have expected a Muun to respond, if for no other reason than Muuns didn’t make mistakes of that sort. So what was this one after?

Ahead Damask heard the characteristic hiss and hum of a lightsaber, and saw the weapon’s blade glowing in the mist. Emerging from behind a thick-boled tree, the wielder had the lightsaber in his right hand, angled toward the spongy ground.

A crimson blade in a crimson wood.

Instantly he called his own lightsaber to his left hand, igniting the blade as the figure in the mist revealed itself fully: a tall, thin, pink-skinned craniopod with large lidless eyes—

A Bith!

Tenebrous?

He faltered momentarily. No, that wasn’t possible. But who, then? Tenebrous’s offspring, perhaps—some spawn grown from his genetic material in a laboratory, since the species reproduced only in accordance with the dictates of a computer mating service. Was that why Tenebrous had declined to discuss midi-chlorians or ways of extending life? Because he had already found a way to create a Force-sensitive successor?

“I knew I could draw you out, Darth Plagueis,” the Bith said.

Plagueis dropped all pretence and faced him squarely. “You’re well trained. I sensed the Force in you, but not the dark side.”

Source: Darth Plagueis

Force Flight

Venamis is able to utilize a limited form of Force Flight mid-combat, enabling him to fight while suspended in the air, as if on high ground - a feat that somewhat impresses Plagueis:

At one point he leapt onto an overhanging greel branch and, when Plagueis severed it with a Force blow, hung suspended in the air—no mean feat in itself—and continued the fight, as if from high ground.

Source: Darth Plagueis

Lightning

Venamis is capable of producing a Storm of Force Lightning, but stops his attack as Plagueis crosses two blades at his neck:

With a gesture of his other hand, Venamis called for his lightsaber, but Plagueis was a split second quicker, and the hilt shot into his own right hand. Sensing a storm of Force lightning building in the Bith, he crossed the two crimson blades in front of him and said: “Yield!”

Venamis froze, allowing the nascent storm to die away, and dropped to his knees in surrender as Sojourn’s risen primary blazed at his back through the trees.

Source: Darth Plagueis

Telekinesis

Venamis could have pulled his lightsaber to his hand with simply a gesture, but Plagueis was a split second faster, which allowed him to summon the blade to his hand first:

With a gesture of his other hand, Venamis called for his lightsaber, but Plagueis was a split second quicker, and the hilt shot into his own right hand.

Source: Darth Plagueis
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Qui-Gon Jinn Respect Thread

Intrepid37 uploaded some material regarding Qui-Gon Jinn but didn't want to recreate the respect thread, so I'm creating it using his material and some of my own.

Respect Qui-Gon Jinn:

Strength

The strength of Qui-Gon Jinn is sufficient enough so as to meet Maul's strength, to the point where Maul literally feels Qui-Gon's blows shudder throughout his body:

I accelerate my pace, calling on my anger to increase my power. My footwork has never been so brilliant. Iuse the shifting sand as resistance. My lightness and quickness will defeat this man, with his large body, his heavy movements. But he is graceful, this Jedi. The sand doesn't seem to hamper him. He is never off balance, no matter where or how I strike. Our blows send shudders through my body. He meets my strength. Our lightsabers clash and sizzle. Dust and sand rise around us. I never lose my rhythm.

Source: Episode I Journal: Darth Maul

Speed

Qui-Gon moves his lightsaber in a blur as he dodges Giba's blow and disarms him before anybody could even take a breath:

Qui-Gon's lightsaber was a blur of green as he expertly dodged Giba's clumsy blow, turned, and struck downward on Giba's wrist with a backward motion. The minister was disarmed and down before anyone could take a breath.

Source: Jedi Apprentice: The Mark of the Crown

Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan deflect blaster fire while moving their lightsabers in an imperceptible blur:

The energy bars retracted. The guards rushed forward. Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan activated their lightsabers simultaneously and leaped toward them. Blaster fire pinged around them, and they deflected it, swinging in a blur of motion faster than the eye could follow.

Source: Jedi Apprentice: The Day of Reckoning

Qui-Gon maintains pace with a Kudana as he outpaces Obi-Wan Kenobi:

The kudana rose out of the mist, the noise of their hooves like thunder. They were beautiful animals, their bronze metallic skins highly prized throughout the galaxy. Their eyes rolled in fright, and they made a high- pitched sound that was close to screaming. Obi-Wan could smell their panic, but he was more concerned about their sharp hooves and powerful legs.

The seeker droid hovered ahead, a laser beaming down toward Qui-Gon. No doubt it was sending back coordinates of their location.

"Ready, Obi-Wan?" Qui-Gon shouted over the noise. "Pick a kudana and run alongside it. Use the Force to reach out and connect. Then, if you can, ride one." Obi-Wan began to run. Qui-Gon ran ahead of him, matching the animals' speed. He reached out to touch the nearest animal's flank, racing alongside it. Obi-Wan knew his Master was calling on the Force. With a gigantic leap, Qui-Gon landed on the animal's back.

Source: Jedi Apprentice: The Shattered Peace

Qui-Gon moves his lightsaber faster than the eye can follow:

Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, and Ki-Adi-Mundi stood with their backs pressed to one another, deflecting a hail of blaster bolts the terrorists poured into the plaza. The blades of their lightsabers - comgreen, blue, and purple--moved faster than the eye could follow, blazing bright as novas as they sent the bolts caroming from the ancient stone walls and ricocheting off the sloping faces of the pyramids.

Source: Cloak of Deception

Qui-Gon runs in a blur:

In a blur of motion, Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan hurried to Tiin's aid, spinning and leaping in the face of the onslaught.

Source: Cloak of Deception

Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, Tiin and Ki-Adi Mundi forge a barrier out of their blades:

Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, Tiin, and Ki-Adi-Mundi surged from the pyramid entrance, engaging the terrorists that had driven them back. A quarter of the way across the immense plaza, the Jedi spread out in a wedge formation, their constantly moving blades fending off blaster bolts loosed from ahead and to either side. Behind the energy barrier fashioned by the lightsabers, Yaddle, Depa, Vergere, and two of the judicials raced out to divert fire from the rear.

Source: Cloak of Deception

Telekinesis

Qui-Gon, Plo Koon and Tholme collapse a cave:

Qui-Gon, Mace Windu, Plo Koon and three other Jedi hurl three Yinchorri:

Qui-Gon hurls Feemor:

Telepathy

Qui-Gon, Adi Gallia and Plo Koon form the illusion of a second ship in the mind of their pursuiter:

Qui-Gon uses a Mind Trick:

Qui-Gon uses a Mind Trick on a Hutt, which is impressive considering Hutts are resistant to typical telepathic intrusion:

It was time to pay a visit to Offworld Headquarters. Offworld did not try to beautify their Bandomeer office. The building, a black, windowless block, echoed the grim mines that surrounded it. Qui-Gon entered the center hall with its azurite-studded walls. The mineral was its only decoration. A Hutt security guard sat behind a black cube that served as a desk. His body rolled past the confines of the desk. He turned flat, dead eyes toward Qui-Gon.

"I have come to see Xanatos," Qui-Gon said.

"Move, wretch," the Hutt replied, bored. "Take your petty complaints to you immediate supervisor. There's no one here anyway. Xanatos is on an exploration trip to the northern mine quadrant."

The Hutt reached for a blaster. So much for corporate hospitality. Qui-Gon didn't move a muscle. He concentrated on the Hutt's greasy mind, pulling in energy from the Force.

"Perhaps I should wait in his private office," he said.

"You should wait in his private office." The Hutt repeated tonelessly.

"Take the restricted tube to Horizontal Thirty."

"Security controls should be lifted," Qui-Gon said.

"All security controls shall be lifted.''

Source: Jedi Apprentice: The Dark Rival

Beast Control

Qui-Gon uses Beast Control to ride a Draigon:

Long had Qui-Gon followed the ways of the Force. Now he felt it beckon him. Run, it commanded. Go to Obi-Wan. Qui-Gon’s heart pounded. He ran three steps and leaped from the mouth of the cave, knowing that two hundred meters below, the sharp rocks stuck up like swords. Yet he trusted the Force. He did not fall even a dozen meters. His leap carried him straight to a draigon! He hit the beast’s neck with a thud. The creature was wet and slimy. Qui-Gon almost slipped off, but clung to its scaly hide with the tips of his fingers. The sore muscles in his shoulder throbbed and burned. He managed to swing his legs up and over, so that he was riding squarely on the draigon’s back. The creature roared in terror. It had been flying up to eat the Jedi. Now it shook its neck, trying to throw him off. It shrieked again and again, then wheeled in panic and flapped its wings, dropping toward the sea. Qui-Gon clutched his precious bag of dactyl in one hand and leaned close to the draigon’s neck. Using all og the power that he could muster, he whispered to the draigon.. “Friend help me. Take me to the caves. Hurry!”

The draigons that were hunting Whiphids heard the desperate shriek of Qui-Gon’s mount. They looked up and saw the man on its back. Now the draigons rose in a flock to give chase. His mount flapped its wings and sped toward the caves. Qui-Gon wasn’t sure he could control the beast for long, for its small mind was cruel, and it was driven by ravenous hunger.

Source: Jedi Apprentice: The Rising Force

Breath Control

Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan use Breath Control to prevent death from Dioxis:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OTHjSG61SI

(4:55-5:02)

Dueling Skill

Qui-Gon is one of the Order's most formidable members:

A Jedi Master who was known as one of the Order's most formidable members, but his recklessness and his devotion to bizarre causes kept him from becoming a member of the Jedi Council.

Source: The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

Qui-Gon was regarded as one of the best swordsmen ever produced by the Order:

Jinn was generally regarded as one of the best pure swordsmen the Order had ever seen.

Source: The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia

Qui-Gon is a better duelist than Anoon Bondara:

Renowned for his skill with the lightsaber, Jedi Master Anoon Bondara is regarded by many of his peers and all of his apprentices as a role model whose combat prowess is unmatched in the Jedi Order. Bondara would disagree with this assesment. During his tenure at the Jedi Temple on Coruscant, he spars with superior lightsaber duelists such as Qui-Gon Jinn and Mace Windu. Although he humbles himself when compared to their skill, Bondara's prowess is nontheless considerable.

Source: Jedi Academy: Training Manual

Qui-Gon is a better duelist than Obi-Wan Kenobi:

They had fought together before, and they knew each other's moves. Qui-Gon had trained Obi-Wan, and while the younger Jedi was not yet his equal, he believed that one day Obi - Wan would be better than he had ever been.

Source: The Phantom Menace

Qui-Gon has mastered various fighting techniques and combat forms:

Qui-Gon Jinn's lightsaber may not be as ornate as that of his mentor, Count Dooku, but true to his rebellious ways, he used it to master the same classical fighting techniques as well as untraditional combat forms from across the galaxy.

Source: Lightsabers: A Guide to the Weapons of the Force
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Overrated Sith Lords - Darths Nihilus and Sion

These two members of the Sith Triumvirate are, as often perceived by the community, among the most powerful and potent of any Sith in history. However, their powers and poetic descriptions come with dubiousness.

Let's start with Darth Sion - the Lord of Pain. Sion is less overrated by the community, but the assessments of his powers and abilities are a bit exaggerated, in my opinion. Sion is most famous for his one and only feat - his extended longevity and quasi-immortality in which he uses his anger from his pain to fuel himself and sustain himself even after he has suffered tremendous wounds. Taking this to an extreme, you could consider him to be invincible - after all, he was only defeated by Dun Moch. However, this is just a no limits fallacy - let's take a look at what Sion has actually endured. The following is a security log left behind on the Harbinger:

"Checking the survivor from the Sith vessel - I'm not sure whether he's alive or dead, or what's even keeping him together. His flesh is cracked and scarred, and I'm registering several thousand fractures in his skeleton, as if each bone was repeatedly splintered over time... then put back together. Judging from the scar tissue, I believe these wounds took place before his death. If so, he must have been in constant pain. I have no idea what's been keeping him together."

Source: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords

So he has sustained a tremendous number of puncture/fracture wounds, but there's nothing to indicate that if his limbs or other bodily portions were torn apart and thrown about, that he could reassemble himself from that state, so he wouldn't really be truly invincible. And considering the fact that he was repeatedly "killed" or harmed to such a degree, this would only be indicative of lackluster combative traits - and indeed, Sion has no feats at all to warrant himself as any sort of significant individual. He was repeatedly bested by Meetra Surik, even in the Trayus Academy, where he would have been amped by the ambient dark side energies of Malachor V in general.

Darth Nihilus, the Lord of Hunger, is vastly more powerful than Sion, and for that matter, there was some cut content in which he literally casually incapacitated Sion with just his Force powers, which is simply further evidence of Sion's own lackluster abilities. Nihilus is more powerful, but this tends to lead him to be overrated. His power has been described numerous times - by the likes of Visas Marr, Kreia, and Colonel Tobin, and in the two respect threads that Viners have created for him, these poetic descriptions are included as well:

http://www.comicvine.com/profile/silver2467/blog/darth-nihilus-respect-thread/67844/

http://www.comicvine.com/profile/darthant66/blog/darth-nihilus-respect-thread/97172/

However, the descriptions would indicate his powers are certainly very extensive, but are rather ambiguous and very likely exaggerated. To examine his few feats, which more or less encompass everything Nihilus has in his arsenal of Force powers, we can see that he may not really be that powerful. He was able to utilize Concealment so as to prevent himself from being detected by roughly a hundred Jedi - give or take a few - and a colony of Miraluka, which is an impressive feat, and he was able to utilize Stasis/Stun on the Exile and his party, which is decent but not necessarily that impressive.

His most famous ability is his Drain - which he used along with Sion to sap Darth Traya's powers, and which he attempted to use on the Exile but failed due to the Exile's status as a Wound in the Force. However, his most famed feat is the Devastation of Katarr, in which Nihilus sucks dry all life on the entire planet:

This feat is more or less exaggerated in its description, just as Visas sings out all her hyperbolic descriptions of his power like poetry. By all means, it could be biased, especially since the writing and even the art seemed to take place from her perspective. Nihilus killing an entire world with his speech is not supported by anything except a single sourcebook entry, but even then, we have seen him speak more than once and nobody was killed from his speech. Canderous was there with Meetra and Visas when the trio challenged Nihilus aboard the Ravager, he froze them in place and spoke to them, but Canderous was not killed and did not suffer any ailing effects that Nihilus's speech is claimed to be capable of afflicting to others.

Regarding Nihilus's presence corrupting those around him, this never really happened either. He was never shown to have a corrupting aura, especially since the likes of Visas and again, Canderous, were not affected by his presence. The men on the board seemed to have withered, but then, this may have been Nihilus feeding off them for limited and temporary sustenance, which we know he needs. If they were corrupted (which, again, the chances of are somewhat dubious), then Nihilus's corruption aura would never be applicable in a fight because it would have to take an extended period of time (perhaps as long as years) for this to come into effect. His power levels are just really oscillating depending on what you believe - the reality of his inability to affect or kill defenseless characters like Canderous, or the exaggerated, hyperbolic and poetic descriptions ascribed to him by others. The unreliability of the latter is rather evident when one considers that it outright contradicts the reality in which we do not perceive that level of potency at all - so all of that is just unreliable lip-service, not factual evidence to structure an argument relating to his powers.

His telekinesis is also commonly brought up - he did Choke Visas at one point, but that is hardly worth mentioning. What is often mentioned, is his supposed resurrection and sustenance of the Ravager.

Colonel Tobin: This ship... is it his weakness? It should not exist, yet it cruises the darkness between the stars. He tore it from the mass shadows of Malachor, along with his fleet... that is a measure of his power.

Canderous: Hnh. This ship is barely holding itself together. The structural damage should have destroyed it long ago.

Colonel Tobin: He holds it together.

Source: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords

As a feat, this would seem to be indicative of tremendous power and potency - certainly one among the upper echelons of Force users, but then, this is an ambiguous feat that is both off-panel and apparently circumstantial. Identifying the circumstances surrounding this rather crude telekinetic feat and comparing it to his lack of successful applications of TK in other situations (which I will explain in further detail later), we can find that this is also a rather inconsistent and once again, not indicative of his standard showings.

To examine the circumstances, it should first be noted that Colonel Tobin did note that there was a potential link between Nihilus and the Ravager, which may have and probably would have had made it easier for Nihilus to accomplish this feat. Can we say conclusively that there was a link between Nihilus and his ship? No, because there is no direct or conclusive evidence. However, there are other circumstances to consider.

Malachor V is a potent nexus of Dark Side energies, as Kreia has explained:

"There is a place in the galaxy where the dark side of the Force runs strong. It is something of the Sith, but it was fueled by war. It corrupts all that walks on its surface—drowns them in the power of the dark side. It corrupts all life, and it feeds on death."

Source: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords

In fact, Malachor V is exactly where hundreds/thousand of Jedi and Mandalorians died and had all their life and Force energies simultaneously bled dry from them. This is synonymous with places like the Ruins of the Jedi Temple, which afforded Lord Nyax the ability to throw around capital ships and the Valley of the Jedi, which could install Force sensitivity in non-Force sensitives. You can see a very strong link in Malachor V and the Ruins of the Jedi Temple, as both were the sites of the deaths of countless Jedi. As such, there should be no reason for the strength of the Force nexus on Malachor V to not be as potent as that of the Ruins of the Jedi Temple, an ambiance of monumental potency sufficient to manipulate capital ships.

So then, under the knowledge that Malachor V would possess a Force nexus potent enough to manipulate capital ships, Nihilus's feat is simply not applicable unless he is placed in another similarly-amplifying circumstance, so in the typical battles forum fight, he would not be able to utilize this level of telekinesis.

And, for that matter, this is not just the matter of him requiring amplifications to utilize TK to this extent, but there are other traces of evidence which detract from the case of Nihilus's powers being this extensive. Again, when Canderous, Meetra and Visas fought Nihilus aboard the Ravager, Nihilus would have only been somewhat weakened by his failed Drain attempt (and we know he had already fed on some planets beforehand), but he could not outright kill them with TK. Meetra and Visas have no feats or indications to warrant that they would be able to protect themselves, but even if they did, Canderous, a completely non-Force sensitive being, should have been directly and immediately killed, but he wasn't. Nihilus's failure to utilize his supposedly capital-ship level TK to kill an indefensible being like Canderous is particularly detrimental to the cases being made about Nihilus being able to resurrect the Ravager on a whim.

There should be no difficulty in concluding that Nihilus's ability to resurrect the Ravager is not indicative of his standard power levels and cannot be accomplished within the parameters of a typical battle forum fight. His inability to successfully utilize that level of telekinesis anywhere else, and the fact that Malachor V is an extremely potent miasma of dark side energies, is particularly detracting from the case that is often made in favor of Nihilus's own telekinetic potency.

There is also something else worth discussing, which is the notion that Nihilus can be attracted by a stray thought across the galaxy, as Kreia seemed to suggest. We know Nihilus's Force Senses are advanced enough to reach across the breadth of the galaxy to some extent, but we also know that he was incapable of deciphering what the "disturbance in the Force" was, and required Visas Marr to decipher that it was in fact the Exile. Kreia telling the Exile that even a stray thought could draw Nihilus is rather hyperbolic and unreliable - as Kreia would not necessarily know this (and she did say the word "may", which detracts from the certainty of this being the case). That, and Kreia is hardly one to look for when you want to uncover how powerful a character is - her hyperbolic accounts of other characters like Revan and the Exile are telling enough to indicate that her descriptions are fly-by-night and undependable.

So honestly, Nihilus's only real combat-applicable abilities are TK (which he can use to Choke beings, but not anybody of substantial power), his Stasis, which can be used to Stun others but again, cannot be used on beings of substantial power, and his Drain, which will work but there are a number of characters who are immune to it. What often proves detrimental to Nihilus in battles is his lack of combat and speed showings, as well as his typical mindset which involves a rather slow regard for others which he deems beneath himself, and thereby dragging down his already wanting reaction speed levels even further.

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Overrated Sith Lords - Exar Kun

Since I have a decent amount of spare time now, I decided to create more of these entries about overrated Sith Lords, in part to compensate for the hiatus after I started on Marka Ragnos, and also because I will not have any time at all in the near future.

Exar Kun, is, by all means, intended to be powerful. He released a Force Scream that could be heard across the galaxy, his Force Senses could stretch across the breadth of the galaxy, and so on. But then, his portrayals have led to a number of inaccurate conceptions of his power and skill.

As it stands, people like to think of Exar Kun as an incredible duelist - one of the single best, as it is often said. He received a number of notable accolades such as having skill unrivaled in his time, and he defeated a number of opponents. But then, at closer examination, there should be doubts about such rankings. What exactly has Exar Kun accomplished to render himself one of the best of all time? Of his time, yes - accolades have already proven that - but then, in his time, the duelists were hardly amazing anyways. But to suggest him as one of the most accomplished swordsmen in all of galactic history is a rather bold claim that warrants further investigation - investigation that should discredit such a rashly given title. Let's have a look at what Kun has actually accomplished as a duelist - his feats - and then see if it measures to the most skilled of history.

Kun has defeated enemies such as Craydo and Sylvar, but they are completely featless. They have nothing to warrant themselves as anything impressive at all. Exar managed to stalemate Ulic Qel-Droma, but Qel-Droma is, by all standards, not particularly amazing. He defeated Mandalore the Indomitable, a non-Force sensitive, in an unorthodox fight that was not indicative of lightsaber skill, and he outfought Cay Qel-Droma, who never impressed, but also was disinterested in fighting his own brother for obvious reasons. To be fair, Ulic did contend with Sylvar while he was cut off from the Force, which is a notable feat for him, but hardly as amazing as some might like to consider. Again, Sylvar has nothing to indicate any significance in fighting proficiency. Kun stalemating Qel-Droma, as a feat, is better than defeating Craydo and Sylvar, but I would still not consider it amazing.

Kun has also defeated Vodo-Siosk Baas. Baas can be inferred to be a skilled combatant based off his accolades and status, but he too is featless. He has absolutely no demonstrable examples of his skills or potency. Is he a skilled combatant? Yes. But he has done nothing to indicate any level of overwhelming skill, so defeating him in combat is only worth so much, especially given how the Jedi of the time were unaccustomed to fighting double-bladed lightsabers. The fact that Kun is the first known user of the doublesaber is also, for some reason, believed to be some indication of skill. It indicates Kun was willing to stray away from tradition and do new things for a change, but how does that really indicate amazing level of skill, or anything of that sort?

So to suggest Kun is among the most skilled of all combatants in history is flawed, in my opinion. I have never seen him receive that level of accolades, and none of his feats support such claims anyways. So while it would be correct to suggest he was the most skilled in his era, compared to the number of other remarkable duelists in SW history in general, I'm hesitant to even consider putting Kun in the top 10, and honestly, I don't think he should be there. What I think, though, is not important. What is important is that Kun has no showings to validate the nonsensical claims of his universal supremacy in saber combat, or anything even close to that.

With respects to the Force, though, Kun is relatively fine as it is. He isn't particularly underrated or overrated - people do tend to recognize that his massive Drain and Essence Transfer feat was a ritual, and not indicative of his standard power or skill, and that his other talents are not overwhelmingly impressive. His telekinetic abilities are decent, but not actually impressive. His Force Blast feats require supplementary amplifications from surrounding dark side auras/nexuses and drawing upon his amulets, and even then they aren't top-tier (though they are still impressive). And then there's just not that much left to say. He has knowledge of sorcery and alchemy, and impressive telepathy feats, but they would hardly ever, if at all, turn up in a fight.

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Overrated Sith Lords - Naga Sadow

The second installment in a series I started a while ago. Essentially, these are a collection of short blogs consisting of the debunking of points that have led to certain characters being overrated.

Naga Sadow, as a character, is actually one I like. Unfortunately, his actual feats are reasonably limited, and two of them are occasionally being brought up under misconceived premises. I just wanted to clear those misconceptions.

The first feat is the idea of him forming armies of illusions at any time, in any combat scenario. This is not something I hear very often, and I don't think I've even heard it on this board but I'd like to address it anyways. Naga Sadow can't accomplish this at any time he simply wants. He should be able to accomplish this under his own power (which, as a showing, is rather impressive), but he needs the peace and quiet in his meditation chamber to afford him the concentration necessary to form these illusory armies:

Again, as a showing of power and potential, it would be a very impressive one. However, he would never be able to apply this in combat with other combatants attacking him. He would need to spend time concentrating, which is what the meditation sphere allows him to do.

The next one tends to be more misconceived, although I tend to hear about this less now than I used to. Sadow has been, more in the past rather than now, claimed to have been capable of creating supernovae. This has never been accomplished under his own power. Exar Kun himself outright stated that it was the ship, not him, that would have caused this:

Credit to Silver2467

Using ancient Sith technology, Kun's agents triggered a multiple supernova in the Cron Cluster that devastated the planet Ossus.

Source: The New Essential Guide to Characters
Crado then teamed with Aleema to execute a military strike using Naga Sadow's Sith flagship. Armed with the vessels star-destroying weapon, they intended to destroy the suns of the Cron Cluster, not realizing that their Masters had set them up for a fall. Source: The New Essential Chronology

And aside from these two feats, there's honestly not much under Naga Sadow's name. He only stalemated Ludo Kressh, who has done nothing to warrant himself as a character of particular skill, and he was beaten by Barel Ovair, who is also featless and accolade-less. Combat skill-wise, unfortunately, Sadow isn't very much. We can definitely draw upon his own impressive knowledge and skills of Sith sorcery and alchemy, but the chances of these affecting a typical battle forum fight are severely dubious.

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Were the Jedi Masters who accompanied Mace Windu in Chancellor Palpatine's arrest really that weak?

This is something I have seen circulating on the boards quite a bit, and I'm honestly tired of refuting it so I'll just make this so that, in the future, it will be easier to form a rebuttal.

The Jedi Masters who accompanied Windu in Chancellor Palpatine's arrest are often seen as weak by the general public, as they all got creamed by the Dark Lord while Windu lasted a much longer period of time. Comparing that, of course, Windu would seem vastly superior to them. However, at a much closer examination, it becomes evident that individually, each of these Jedi Masters - Agen Kolar, Saesee Tiin and Kit Fisto - are all close to Windu in respects to skill and power and the likes. The reason Windu lasted so long was because he received a monumental amp - and I'll let Silver2467's blog do the explanations on that:

http://www.comicvine.com/profile/silver2467/blog/mace-windu-vs-darth-sidious-what-really-happened/77247/

Regarding this topic, I will dissect each Master's individual feats and accolades and compare them to Mace Windu to discredit the idea that they were simply weaklings and fodder sent to die just to make Sidious look powerful.

1. Agen Kolar

Agen Kolar is hardly what I would call the most explored character - his feats in general are relatively lacking in quantity. Qualitatively, however, his feats are certainly not far behind from Windu's. While he is a bit too lacking in Force feats to claimed to be close to Windu in that regard, in respects to combative proficiency, I can say with confidence that he would be approachable to Windu.

For one, Kolar has received an accolade as one of the most skilled bladesbeings the Jedi Order had ever produced, like Windu. In fact, based off the wording alone, it's hardly implausible to suggest that the sentence implies them to be peers in combative adroitness.

Which would leave Mace and Agen Kolar—both among the greatest bladesbeings the Jedi Order had ever produced—here on Coruscant in case Sidious did indeed take this opportunity to make a dramatic move.

Source: Revenge of the Sith

Accolade-wise, he is just about on par with Windu. The only thing separating Windu from Kolar is that Windu was listed as the second most skilled swordsman by AotC, which means he should be somewhat ahead of Kolar, even if it's only by a marginal degree.

And what feats does Kolar have to support this? How about wrecking Quinlan Vos with laughable ease?

Kolar repeatedly wrecked Vos, within the parameters of a single page. As a showing, this is more than comparable to Windu's own feats, considering the only person who has walked past Vos with such casualness is Dooku, who is Mace Windu's equal. Do I contend that Kolar is equal with Mace Windu? No, but he doesn't have to be. Being approachable to Windu is more than sufficient evidence to supplement his accolade - and more than sufficient evidence to disclaim the notion that he is simply fodder.

2. Saesee Tiin

Saesee Tiin has merit as well. He is more explored than Agen Kolar and this allows us to see into not only his skill, but his Force abilities, both of which are on Windu's caliber.

Dueling wise, Saesee may not be as pronounced as Kolar, but he is still one of the best in the Order, recognized by both Mace Windu and Shaak Ti:

"I have chosen four of our best. Master Tiin, Master Kolar, and Master Fisto are all here, in the Temple. They are preparing already."

"What about Skywalker? The chosen one."

"Too much of a risk," Mace replied. "I am the fourth."

...

"Anakin, why? The Masters are the best of the Order. What can you possibly do?"

Source: Revenge of the Sith

In fact, Obi-Wan Kenobi suggested that Tiin as among the most skilled swordsmen the Order had ever produced, which would be on par with Agen Kolar's accolade:

Now Obi-Wan did face him. "Palpatine faced Mace and Agen and Kit and Saesee - four of the greatest swordsmen our Order has ever produced. By himself. Even both of us together wouldn't have a chance."

Source: Revenge of the Sith

Now, whether this is the case is somewhat unknown since Saesee's accolades are subjective, rather than objective, but considering that these subjective opinions are unanimous among three other characters, none of which are known for overly inflating others with unnecessary flattering, I see no reason to not trust these opinions, and we know by objective sources that he is a celebrated swordsman anyways:

Most of the Jedi are deployed on distant worlds, but Mace manages to assemble a trio of celebrated swordmasters to assist him in arresting Palpatine: Agen Kolar, a Zabrak known among the Jedi to strike first and ask questions later; Saesee Tiin, a solitary Iktotchi who has never chosen a Padawan learner; and Kit Fisto, Nautolan master of Form 1 lightsaber technique, who distinguished himself on Geonosis and Mon Calamari, and who partnered Mace in battling Grievous on Coruscant.

Source: The Complete Visual Dictionary

I would consider Saesee's accolades as credible and reliable, and he, like Kolar, has feats to suggest them to be true.

Here, we see him sparring evenly with Mace Windu:

Obviously, this should speak for itself. This is a clear indication that he is a peer of Windu in saber combat. Again, I would not portend that he is exactly as skilled as Windu, because of Windu's accolade as the second most skilled swordsman in the Order, and because of his more pronounced and varied feats. But then, Windu's preponderance in this regard is only marginal, not gaping, so I will say that Saesee is most certainly capable of contending with Windu in a real fight, based off both feats and accolades.

Power wise, Saesee is just superior. Tiin has had his Force abilities noted as one of the best in the Order, an accolade I don't recall Mace ever having:

Saesee's flying practise also helped to hone his Force abilities. By the time he arrived at the Jedi Temple, he was already adept at channeling his Force connection. As he progressed in the Order, he was acknowledged as having one of the strongest Force abilities of all the Jedi.

Source: The Official Star Wars Fact File #114

That, and he threw a droid four kilometers when Mace only threw one nearly three kilometers (to be fair, Mace Windu's droid landed on an advancing squadron, but that doesn't make the feat on par with Saesee's):

Tiin should be even less likely than Kolar to be deemed as weak, by any circumstances. Tiin is almost as skilled as Windu, and is more powerful in regards to the Force.

3. Kit Fisto

Kit Fisto is more well-known to the general public, has more general showings under his belt, and is probably a more likeable character in general. He is simply the most explored character out of all of these three. However, to be fair, it is harder to compare his showings against Windu's, but I'll get to that in a moment.

Regarding dueling skill, I already posted accolades for Saesee Tiin, all of which also applied to Fisto, but in case you need to see them again:

"I have chosen four of our best. Master Tiin, Master Kolar, and Master Fisto are all here, in the Temple. They are preparing already."

"What about Skywalker? The chosen one."

"Too much of a risk," Mace replied. "I am the fourth."

...

"Anakin, why? The Masters are the best of the Order. What can you possibly do?"

...

Now Obi-Wan did face him. "Palpatine faced Mace and Agen and Kit and Saesee - four of the greatest swordsmen our Order has ever produced. By himself. Even both of us together wouldn't have a chance."

Source: Revenge of the Sith

I think, that at this point, it should already be clear that Fisto is comparable to Windu in fighting skill, but in case this needs to be driven home, and in case these are simply accolades that are completely unsupported, there will have to be mention of a few showings.

To the rear of the car, where Grievous's pair of MagnaGuards had made the mistake of pitting themselves against Kit Fisto, the Nautolan's blade was a cyclone of blazing blue light. Resistant to the energy outpourings of a lightsaber, the phrik alloy staffs were potent weapons, but like any weapon they needed to find their target, and Kit simply wasn't allowing that. In moves a Twi'lek dancer might envy, he spun around the guards, claiming a limb from both with each rotation: left legs, right arms, right legs…

The speed of the train saw to the rest, ultimately whisking the droids into the canyon like insects blown from the windscreen of a speeder bike.

Source: Labyrinth of Evil

(For the record, this is not the only time Fisto has outperformed Magnaguards, but I wanted to use this instance).

As a combative showing, this is definitely worth noting. Fisto moving his lightsaber fast enough to form cyclones of blazing light, as a speed feat, exceeds anything Mace Windu has ever accomplished. Combat-wise, not so much, but then, outfighting a pair of Magnaguards this casually is nothing to scoff at. Magnaguards are relatively inconsistent as characters - sometimes, they don't do much and are just fodder, but that's rarely the case. Most of the time, they can present challenges to Jedi, and the reason I specifically chose this feat for Fisto is because it occurred within the Dark Lord trilogy, where three of these Magnaguards were a challenge to Obi-Wan:

The remaining three pressed the attack, but more cautiously; their weapons were longer than his, and they struck from beyond the reach of his blade. He gave way before them, his defensive velocities barely keeping their crackling discharge blades at bay.

Three MagnaGuards, each with a double-ended weapon that generated an energy field impervious to lightsabers, each with reflexes that operated near light-speed, each with hypersophisticated heuristic combat algorithms that enabled it to learn from experience and adapt its tactics instantly to any situation, were certainly beyond Obi-Wan's ability to defeat, but it was not Obi-Wan who would defeat them; Obi-Wan wasn't even fighting. He was only a vessel, emptied of self. The Force, shaped by his skill and guided by his clarity of mind, fought through him.

Source: Revenge of the Sith

Kenobi was barely able to defend himself from them, and it was assessed that their lightsaber-immune weapons, near-relativistic reflexes and hypersophisticated combat algorithms made them beyond Kenobi's ability to defeat them. Now, to be fair, Fisto was only facing two of them, and he had the advantage of Shii-Cho, but he was still casually outperforming them, which speaks well for his skill.

Again, I am not going to consider Fisto as on par with Windu, but I think that as a showing, the ease with which he outperformed a pair of Magnaguards in a trilogy where three of them were a legitimate challenge to Obi-Wan Kenobi, is particularly telling. He, like the other two, should definitely be approachable to Windu as a combatant.

With respects to his Force abilities, Fisto effortlessly manipulating multiple underwater vessels as well as their droid pilots and equally effortlessly redirecting missiles (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=L0dwpcP4n1w) should put him within range of Windu as far as telekinesis goes, and his other showings like generating Force Orbs that can shatter a number of legs of a huge underwater vessel (the vessel being probably 30m or so) only reinforces the idea his own Force abilities being anything but average.

Conclusions

Honestly, I don't think there's much of a need to conclude this, but I think that the showings and accolades of all of these three Jedi are more than enough to indicate that they are in Mace Windu's own league, and are not just average or fodder Jedi, as some people like to claim. So, to answer the question in the title, no, the Jedi Masters who accompanied Mace Windu in Palpatine's arrest were not weak at all. They were exceptional Jedi and among the best within the Order, just as Windu said they were, hence why he chose them to accompany him in the first place.

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Darth Tenebrous Respect Thread

Darth Tenebrous is an obscure and cryptic Sith Lord but a powerful one, and a favorite of mine. I just wanted to convey his powers and abilities.

Respect Darth Tenebrous:

Speed & Agility

Tenebrous bolts so quickly that Plagueis is nearly bowled over, and struggles to keep pace with him. By this time, Plagueis is capable of appearing as a blur to droids who have no difficulty avoiding blaster fire, and can run/fight so quickly that he would have appeared to an onlooker as lightning racing throughout the forest understory:

Nearly knocked over by the swiftness of Tenebrous’s departure, Plagueis had to call deeply on the Force merely to keep up.

Source: Darth Plagueis

Plagueis recalls that he and Tenebrous had fought an army of Kursid warriors wielding bows and lances. Judging from Plagueis and Sidious's later battle with the Kursid warriors, Plagueis and Tenebrous would have only used force pikes rather than lightsabers, disused their offensive Force powers, and exercised nothing except speed and agility and still emerged unscathed after defeating the Kursid warriors:

The location of the planet known to the Sith as Kursid had been expunged from the Republic records in distant times, and for the past six hundred years had been reserved for use as a place of spectacle. Masters and apprentices of the Bane lineage had visited with enough regularity that a cult had come into being in that part of the world based on the periodic return of the sky visitors. The Sith hadn't bothered to investigate what Kursid's indigenous humanoids thought about the visits—whether in their belief systems the Sith were regarded as the equivalent of deities or demons—since it was unlikely that the primitives had yet so much as named their world. However, visiting as apprentice and—more often than not—as Master, each Sith Lord had remarked on the slow advancement of Kursid's civilization. How, on the early visits, the primitives had defended themselves with wooden war clubs and smooth rocks hurled from slings. Two hundred years later, many of the small settlements had grown to become cities or ceremonial centers built of a crude sort, and magical guardian symbols had been emblazoned on the sloping sides of defensive walls. At some point previous to Darth Tenebrous's visit as an apprentice, replicas of the Sith ships had been constructed in the center of the arid plateau that served as a battleground, and enormous totemic figures—visible only from above—had been outlined by removing tens of thousands of fists-sized volcanic stones that covered the ground. On Plagueis's first visit, some fifty years earlier, the warriors he and Tenebrous had faced had been armed with longbows and metal-tipped lances.

That the Sith had never demanded anything other than battle hadn't kept the primitives from attempting to adopt a policy of appeasement, leaving at the ships' perpetual landing site foodstuffs, sacrificial victims, and works of what they considered art, forged of materials they held precious or sacred. But the Sith had simply ignored the offerings, waiting instead on the stony plain for the primitives to deploy their warriors, as the primitives did now with Plagueis and Sidious waiting. Announcing their arrival with low runs over the city, they had set the ship down and waited for six days, while the mournful calls of breath-driven horns had disturbed the dry silences, and groups of primitives had flocked in to gather on the hillsides that overlooked the battleground.

"Do you recall what Darth Bane said regarding the killing of innocents?" Plagueis had asked.

"Our mission," Sidious paraphrased, "is not to bring death on all those unfit to live. All we do must serve our true purpose—the preservation of our Order and the survival of the Sith. We must work to grow our power, and to accomplish that we will need to interact with individuals of many species across many worlds. Eventually word of our existence will reach the ears of the Jedi."

To refrain from senseless killing, they wielded force pikes rather than lightsabers. Meter-long melee weapons used by the Echani and carried by the Senate Guard, the pikes were equipped with stun-module tips capable of delivering a shock that could overwhelm the nervous systems of most sentients, without causing permanent damage.

"The next few hours will test the limits of your agility, speed, and accuracy," Plagueis said, as several hundred of the biggest, bravest, and most skilled warriors—their bodies daubed in pigments derived from plants, clay, and soil—began to separate themselves from the crowds. "But this is more than some simple exercise in our rise to ultimate power, and therefore servants of the dark side of the Force. Centuries from now, advanced by the Sith, they might confront us with projectile weapons or energy beams. But then we will have evolved, as well, perhaps past the need for this rite, and we will come instead to honor rather than engage them in battle. Through power we gain victory, and through victory our chains are broken. But power is only a means to an end."

To the clamorous beating of drums and the wailing of the onlookers, the warriors brandished their weapons, raised a deafening war cry, and attacked. A nod from Plagueis, and the two Sith sped across the plain to meet them, flying among them like wraiths, evading arrows, gleaming spear tips, and blows from battle-axes, going one against one, two, or three, but felling opponent after opponent with taps from the force pikes, until among the hundreds of jerking, twitching bodies sprawled on the rough ground, only one was left standing. That was when Plagueis tossed aside the stun pike and ignited his crimson blade, and a collective lament rose from the crowds on the hillsides.

Source: Darth Plagueis

Combat Skill

Tenebrous makes Venamis a master in Plagueis's fighting style, enabling him to anticipate and counter Plagueis's every move. Venamis also manages to twist his body in surprisingly limber fashion, fight while suspended in the air, and utilize multiple lightsaber forms ambidextrously. As Tenebrous was Venamis's personal tutor in lightsaber combat, it would only be plausible to suggest that Tenebrous could accomplish all of this as well:

For no sooner had the blades of their weapons clashed than Venamis began to bring the fight to him in unexpected ways, twirling his surprisingly limber body, tossing the lightsaber from hand to hand, mixing forms. At one point he leapt onto an overhanging greel branch and, when Plagueis severed it with a Force blow, hung suspended in the air—no mean feat in itself—and continued the fight, as if from high ground. Worse for Plagueis, Tenebrous had made Venamis an expert in Plagueis’s style, and so the Bith could not only anticipate but counter Plagueis’s every move.

Source: Darth Plagueis

Tenebrous would have had to have mastery over exotic weapons in order to utilize only Force pikes and defeat an entire army alongside Plagueis:

The location of the planet known to the Sith as Kursid had been expunged from the Republic records in distant times, and for the past six hundred years had been reserved for use as a place of spectacle. Masters and apprentices of the Bane lineage had visited with enough regularity that a cult had come into being in that part of the world based on the periodic return of the sky visitors. The Sith hadn't bothered to investigate what Kursid's indigenous humanoids thought about the visits—whether in their belief systems the Sith were regarded as the equivalent of deities or demons—since it was unlikely that the primitives had yet so much as named their world. However, visiting as apprentice and—more often than not—as Master, each Sith Lord had remarked on the slow advancement of Kursid's civilization. How, on the early visits, the primitives had defended themselves with wooden war clubs and smooth rocks hurled from slings. Two hundred years later, many of the small settlements had grown to become cities or ceremonial centers built of a crude sort, and magical guardian symbols had been emblazoned on the sloping sides of defensive walls. At some point previous to Darth Tenebrous's visit as an apprentice, replicas of the Sith ships had been constructed in the center of the arid plateau that served as a battleground, and enormous totemic figures—visible only from above—had been outlined by removing tens of thousands of fists-sized volcanic stones that covered the ground. On Plagueis's first visit, some fifty years earlier, the warriors he and Tenebrous had faced had been armed with longbows and metal-tipped lances.

That the Sith had never demanded anything other than battle hadn't kept the primitives from attempting to adopt a policy of appeasement, leaving at the ships' perpetual landing site foodstuffs, sacrificial victims, and works of what they considered art, forged of materials they held precious or sacred. But the Sith had simply ignored the offerings, waiting instead on the stony plain for the primitives to deploy their warriors, as the primitives did now with Plagueis and Sidious waiting. Announcing their arrival with low runs over the city, they had set the ship down and waited for six days, while the mournful calls of breath-driven horns had disturbed the dry silences, and groups of primitives had flocked in to gather on the hillsides that overlooked the battleground.

"Do you recall what Darth Bane said regarding the killing of innocents?" Plagueis had asked.

"Our mission," Sidious paraphrased, "is not to bring death on all those unfit to live. All we do must serve our true purpose—the preservation of our Order and the survival of the Sith. We must work to grow our power, and to accomplish that we will need to interact with individuals of many species across many worlds. Eventually word of our existence will reach the ears of the Jedi."

To refrain from senseless killing, they wielded force pikes rather than lightsabers. Meter-long melee weapons used by the Echani and carried by the Senate Guard, the pikes were equipped with stun-module tips capable of delivering a shock that could overwhelm the nervous systems of most sentients, without causing permanent damage.

"The next few hours will test the limits of your agility, speed, and accuracy," Plagueis said, as several hundred of the biggest, bravest, and most skilled warriors—their bodies daubed in pigments derived from plants, clay, and soil—began to separate themselves from the crowds. "But this is more than some simple exercise in our rise to ultimate power, and therefore servants of the dark side of the Force. Centuries from now, advanced by the Sith, they might confront us with projectile weapons or energy beams. But then we will have evolved, as well, perhaps past the need for this rite, and we will come instead to honor rather than engage them in battle. Through power we gain victory, and through victory our chains are broken. But power is only a means to an end."

To the clamorous beating of drums and the wailing of the onlookers, the warriors brandished their weapons, raised a deafening war cry, and attacked. A nod from Plagueis, and the two Sith sped across the plain to meet them, flying among them like wraiths, evading arrows, gleaming spear tips, and blows from battle-axes, going one against one, two, or three, but felling opponent after opponent with taps from the force pikes, until among the hundreds of jerking, twitching bodies sprawled on the rough ground, only one was left standing. That was when Plagueis tossed aside the stun pike and ignited his crimson blade, and a collective lament rose from the crowds on the hillsides.

Source: Darth Plagueis

Barrier

Tenebrous forges a Force Barrier that repels an explosion potent enough to sunder an entire mine and collapse cave ceilings:

Overhead, hawk-bats took panicked flight from their roosting places in the stippled ceiling. Natural light in the far distance prompted the two Sith to race for the grotto; but, even so, they were a moment late.

The gas explosion caught up with them just as they were entering the light-filled cavity at the top of the escarpment. From deep in the tunnel resounded a squealing electronic wail, and at the same time, almost as if the cave system were gasping for breath, a searing wind tore down from a perforation in the grotto’s arched ceiling through which the ship had entered. A muffled but ground-heaving detonation followed; then a roiling fireball that was the labyrinth’s scorching exhalation. Whirling to the tunnel they had just exited and managing somehow to remain on his feet, Tenebrous conjured a Force shield with his waving arms that met the fireball and contained it, thousands of flaming hawk-bats spiraling within the tumult like windblown embers.

Source: Darth Plagueis

Lightning

Tenebrous fires Force Lightning that leaves behind residual sparks long after the initial discharge of his powers:

Hastening to the rim of the circular shaft, the two Sith removed their gloves and aimed their long-fingered unprotected hands into the inky darkness. Instantly tangles of blue electrical energy discharged from their fingertips, raining into the borehole. Strobing and clawing for the bottom, the vigorous bolts coruscated into the lateral corridor the probe had excavated. Crackling sounds spewed from the opening long after the Sith had harnessed their powers.

Source: Darth Plagueis

Telekinesis

With no evident strain, Tenebrous telekinetically supports huge slabs of collapsing mine ceiling that threatened to crush their ship:

A few meters away Plagueis, hurled face-first to the ground by the intensity of the vaporizing blast, lifted his head in time to see the underside of the domed ceiling begin to shed enormous slabs of rock. Directly below the plummeting slabs sat their starship.

“Master!” he said, scrambling to his feet with arms lifted in an attempt to hold the rocks in midair.

His own arms still raised in a Force-summoning posture, Tenebrous swung around to bolster Plagueis’s intent. Behind him, the fireball’s final flames surged from the mouth of the tunnel to lick his back and drive him deeper into the grotto.

The cave continued to spasm underfoot, sending shock waves through the crazed ceiling. Cracks spread like a web from the oculus, triggering collapses throughout the grotto. Plagueis heard a rending sound overhead and watched a fissure zigzag its way across the ceiling, sloughing layer after layer of stone as it followed the grotto’s curved wall.

Now, though, it was Tenebrous who was positioned beneath the fall.

Source: Darth Plagueis

Force Sense

Tenebrous's Force senses are advanced enough to sense each of his midi-chlorians die out as he dies:

His Force-perception was even more acute than the magnifying powers of his enormous eyes; in the Force, he could feel each individual midi-chlorian wink out in turn, a spreading wave of darkness, like stars eclipsed by the silhouette of an approaching ship.

Source: The Tenebrous Way

Tenebrous's "impossibly refined" perceptions detect the brush of Plagueis's mind:

And now his impossibly refined perceptions detected the brush of Plaugueis' mind, as the apprentice probed the vanishing midi-chlorians of his dying master with his own use of the Force, as Tenebrous had known he would.Source: The Tenebrous Way

Tenebrous's Force perceptions increase as his body's physical senses perish. Tenebrous is able to feel the nearby Plagueis and his physical traits, and he can trace the slightest wisp of Plagueis' "clumsy" attempts to record and analyze every detail of his death:

Now that his body's physical senses had altogether perished. Tenebrous found his perception of the Force to be proportionately heightened. With glorious precision, he could trace the slightest wisp of Plagueis' clumsy Force-probing as his apprentice sought to record and analyze every detail of Plagueis's death. He could feel Plagueis himself: crouched nearby, his eyes closed, the long spiderish fingers of one hand stretched forth as though to snatch Tenebrous' disappearing midi-chlorians from mid-air.

Source: The Tenebrous Way

Tenebrous senses that his body has already suffered irreversible brain death, but his consciousness is still functional. No longer bound by the typical constraints of temporal perception, Tenebrous finds that he can perceive every individual nanosecond and simultaneously comprehend entire galactic eons :

Now, dead at last, he could begin to enjoy the fruits of his lifelong labor. In the Force, he could feel that his body had already suffered irreversible brain-death, yet his consciousness remained, fully aware, fully functional, and connected to the Force in a manner more intimate than he had ever believed possible. Freed now of the crude biological processes that mark the passage of time, Tenebrous found he could perceive the measured tick of each individual nanosecond while simultaneously comprehending the entire sweep of galactic eons.

Tenebrous senses that his apprentice is more powerful than he had originally suspected, and he also finds out that Plagueis's foresight powers were also much more developed than Tenebrous had previously believed. This enables him to foresee Plagueis's death at the hands of Darth Sidious:

Full access to his apprentice's Force-perceptions! Delightful. Better than Tenebrous had allowed himself to hope. Hmm-perhaps he should have invested some time in actually training the foolish Muun. Tapping Plagueis' Force powers would be more entertaining if they weren't so stunted from disuse. And yet....

As he continued to explore, Tenebrous gradually became aware of the full range of his apprentice's connection to the Force, which was considerably deeper, broader, and more powerful than Tenebrous had ever suspected. He reflected, with a twinge of uncomfortable premonition, that perhaps Plagueis had been right when he contended that Tenebrous had always underestimated him.

Now Tenebrous touched upon his apprentice's powers of foresight, which were also vastly more developed than Tenebrous had believed. For a moment. Tenebrous found his perception cast far forward in time-to Plagueis' own death at the hands of his apprentice, who was himself visible only as a smear of darkness....

A shadow!

Source: The Tenebrous Way

Telepathy

Tenebrous appears to have telepathically affected Plagueis's mind to some extent, to ensure that Plagueis would be probing his dying Midi-chlorians - and to a larger extent, Tenebrous's mental manipulations may have been the cause of Plagueis's initial obsession with immortality and Midi-chlorians in the first place:

And now his impossibly refined perceptions detected the brush of Plaugueis' mind, as the apprentice probed the vanishing midi-chlorians of his dying master with his own use of the Force, as Tenebrous had known he would. Tenebrous had spent decades making sure that Plagueis would be unable to resist doing exactly that.

Source: The Tenebrous Way

Intelligence & Calculational/Tactical/Analytical Abilities

Tenebrous possesses incredible computational power which he believes has led him far beyond the witless fantasies of Sith tradition:

More than a century before, when Tenebrous had been but a Sith apprentice himself, the magnificent computational power of his Bith brain had led him far beyond the simplistic Force studies imposed on him by his Master. He had always been far too intelligent to be seduced by the traditional Sith metaphysical twaddle of dark destiny and the witless fantasy of endless war against the equally witless Jedi Order. Soon he had confirmed to his own satisfaction that the dark side of the Force, far from being some malevolent mystic sentience bent on spreading suffering throughout the galaxy, was in truth merely an energy source, and a tool with which he could impose his will upon reality. It was a sort of natural amplifier he could use to multiply the effectiveness of his many useful abilities. None of which was more useful than his matchless intellect.

Source: The Tenebrous Way

Tenebrous is literally capable of predicting the future via mathematical calculations - in other words, he could calculate the future:

Like many Sith before him, he had turned his powers toward knowledge of the future. But unlike any Sith before him he had the enormous brain of his people, which combined sheer brute processing power with a level of analytical precision simply beyond the capacity of any other species. The future was always in motion, and while other Sith struggled to foresee the faintest, least specific hints of what was to come, Tenebrous had no need to see the future.

He could calculate it.

Source: The Tenebrous Way

Tenebrous's calculations enable him to foresee that there will be an end of the Banite Sith/Rule of Two, and the coming of a "shadow" (Darth Sidious) that would darken the galaxy and mark the end of both the Jedi and the Sith as they had previously been known to the universe, and to start the "One Sith" (not Krayt's ignorant One Sith). Tenebrous also calculates that he will not be that Sith Lord:

While still merely an apprentice, his analysis had shown him the inevitable end of the Banite Sith and its preposterous Rule of Two. His calculations plainly indicated the coming of a shadow so vast it would darken the galaxy entirely- so vast it would mark the end of both Jedi and Sith as the universe had known them heretofore. The rise of the shadow would be the end of history itself. Tenebrous had not the slightest doubt that the entire galaxy would measure time according to its arrival. Events would be marked by how far they had preceded the shadow, or by how long after it they followed. Though the exact nature of the great shadow remained occult, the remorseless logic of his extrapolation detailed the coming destruction of the Banite system, and the rise of what would become known as the "One Sith." One Sith! The conclusion was so obvious as to require no confirmation: one single Sith Lord would arise of such power that he'd have no need of any apprentice nor fear of the Jedi. He would take and hold the galaxy by his own hand alone. Without an apprentice- or a Jedi Order-to destroy him, the One Sith would rule forever! A heady prospect, with only a single drawback: Tenebrous was not to be that Sith Lord.

Source: The Tenebrous Way

Tenebrous foresees his own death, which his calculations indicate will take place decades before Darth Sidious's rise:

Tenebrous was not to be that Sith Lord. His own death was clearly foretold, entirely inevitable, and it would precede the rise of the shadow by decades. His fate was explicit in the numbers, and numbers do not lie. However-as Tenebrous came eventually to realize over his many years of research, contemplation and calculation-it might be possible for the numbers in question to be, well, deceived....

Source: The Tenebrous Way

Plagueis realizes what Tenebrous foresees, and then kills him, thus making Tenebrous's calculations correct:

And in that instant Plagueis perceived the danger Tenebrous had foreseen earlier: his death.

His death at Plagueis’s hands.

Source: Darth Plagueis

Tenebrous calculates the potential of the Chosen One:

The key, he'd discovered, lay in an obscure legend obliquely referenced in the Journal of the Whills, about a hero fairly typical in most cultures-the sort of promised future savior who appears in the foundational myths of nearly every developed society. What distinguished this particular savior from his run-of-the-mill equivalents was that he, according to four of eleven possible translations, was to be "born of pure Force." After three standard years devoted specifically to exploring all possible permutations of the interpretation, Tenebrous determined that such a birth was indeed possible, at least metaphorically- "born of pure Force" could be read as indicating the creation of a living being through direct manipulation of midi-chlorian processes in an already living being. And further, as Tenebrous discovered with rising excitement, such a being s Force potential might be limited not by its creator's own midi-chlorian count, but instead only by its creator's level of discipline and attention to detail. Indeed, his calculations indicated a range potentially far beyond his own. With proper execution, the "savior" might have a midi-chlorian count as high as fifteen thousand! Perhaps even more. It might be possible to create a being with the greatest Force potential ever recorded!

Source: The Tenebrous Way

Tenebrous seems to calculate that he will use Essence Transfer to ensure that he will possess his way into the Chosen One's time, and then possess the Chosen One himself. This is the only calculation he makes that is actually inaccurate:

And-by the application of his own suitably subtle variation of the ancient Sith brute-force essence transfer-Tenebrous could ensure that his own consciousness would be present at the creation of this being, this savior, this Chosen One. And, at the moment of creation-long before the Chosen One could hope to resist- Tenebrous would seize it. Would become it. With this single stroke, decades after his body's death, he would become the most powerful Force-user in the history of the galaxy. It was all there in the numbers. He could not possibly fail.

Source: The Tenebrous Way

Maxi-Chlorians and Essence Transfer

Tenebrous creates a retrovirus that infects midi-chlorians, turning a tiny fraction of his own midi-chlorians into maxi-chlorians that, instead of migrating into the Force, would migrate into Plagueis.

Amidst the billions upon billions of individual midi-chlorian deaths in Tenebrous' cells were a tiny fraction of midi-chlorians that were not dying.

That would not die so long as they inhabited a living host. These especially tenacious midi-chlorians-Tenebrous had privately labeled them with the indeed, Tenebrous had gone to considerable trouble to ensure it would always remain so.

Instead of actually training his doltish apprentice, Tenebrous had flattered Plagueis' mysticism while pricking his insecurities, sending him off on one useless, doomed-to-fail mission after another. In turn, Tenebrous had invested every available second of the freedom this afforded into designing, creating, and deploying the one weapon that Plagueis would never suspect.

Could never suspect. His own prejudices about the Force ensured Plagueis wouldn't believe such a thing was possible.

Tenebrous created a retrovirus that could infect midi-chlorians.

Midi-chlorians were, after all, merely jesting sobriquet maxi-chlorians-had been altered. Improved. It would not be an overstatement, in Tenebrous' opinion, to use the word perfected. These maxi-chlorians would indeed migrate, but not into the Force.

They would migrate into Plagueis.

Source: The Tenebrous Way

Tenebrous encodes his retrovirus with his own consciousness, and releases it into his bloodstream. This infects a number of his midi-chlorians, turning them into maxi-chlorians. This comes at a cost of partial severance from the Force, but Tenebrous chooses to confine this severance to his ability to sense the motion of the future, as he can already calculate the future, hence he does not believe it is necessary to have fallible foresight powers any longer.

To detect this infinitesimal percentage would require the precision of a Bith; it was far beyond his apprentice's limited perceptions-and symbiotic organelles that contribute to the organic processes of the living cells they inhabit. Due to their role in Force interactions, altering them was singularly challenging-they had an unsettling tendency to spontaneously express unexpected and unfortunate side effects-but by applying the full analytic prowess of his vast Bith brain and the preternatural power of his Bith senses to detect and resolve sub-microscopic structure, he eventually succeeded in creating a retrovirus that would transform normal midi-chlorians into long-lived maxi-chlorians.

But that was only the beginning.

With the patient, painstaking attention to the slightest, most insignificant detail that was his hallmark, Tenebrous had encoded his custom retrovirus with his most potent weapon: his own consciousness.

Once completed, Tenebrous had released the virus into his own bloodstream. It had spread throughout his body, infecting midi-chlorians in every one of his cells with gratifying alacrity. Not all his midi-chlorians, though, as the infected maxi-chlorians no longer fully functioned; to infect them all would have cut off his own connection to the Force. A partial severance of this connection was a necessary sacrifice, however, and through an extended process of trial and error, he was able to fine-tune the effect and confine it to the one sector of his Force powers he no longer needed-his ability to sense the motion of the future.

Of what possible use was the ability to see a future he already knew?

Source: The Tenebrous Way

Tenebrous's maxi-chlorians, as they enter Plagueis' body, block out Plagueis's own foresight. And as such, as Tenebrous's consciousness transfers into Plagueis's body, he is unable to gaze forward in time, and so he will never know how and why Plagueis will die:

The searing truth was driven home by the gathering darkness that clouded his borrowed foresight. Soon all he could see of the future was a hazy smear of shadow.... as the retrovirus he had become infected Plagueis' every cell. The retrovirus he had allowed to sacrifice his ability to gaze forward in time.... and had thus robbed his apprentice of his power to sense the future.

Which would seal his own doom as well.

Source: The Tenebrous Way

Desperate to escape Plagueis's death, Tenebrous yanks the maxi-chlorians out of Plagueis's body. He then hopes for his maxi-chlorians to simply fade out... only to realize that he didn't know how long it would take, and in the end, he realizes that his consciousness is reversed through time ad infinitum - he must relive his own death endlessly as his foresight is not eliminated, but twisted in upon itself. As he realizes that his consciousness is placed in an infinite time loop, he wishes he still has a mouth with which to scream:

Now wholly giving himself over to panic, Tenebrous turned his will upon undoing the damage he had done. With all his multiplied power, he yanked his maxi-chlorians back out from Plagueis' body in a spray of Force energy from his eyes, his mouth, the wound and every other cell. He had to think-he had to find a way out-or perhaps he didn't. Perhaps there

Perhaps the best he could hope for was the slow, inevitable extinction of his consciousness as his maxi-chlorians too faded and winked out. Then, at least, he would no longer have to squirm in the agony of his self-inflicted defeat....

If his maxi-chlorians were going to fade.

Because it dawned on him that he wasn't sure exactly how long the process should take, but he certainly didn't seem to be losing consciousness. He reached out with the Force-perhaps he could sense something. Anything. Or even contact Plagueis, somehow make his presence known, as his apprentice would never allow him to survive, no matter how reduced his powers might be....

But Plagueis wasn't here. Not only had Plagueis somehow vanished, Tenebrous could sense no trace of him ever having been here at all.... what was happening? How could this be?

The only trace of organic life Tenebrous could sense were some ancient mummified remains....

Of a Bith.

How long had he been here? How long would it take for every trace of Plagueis to vanish? Those remains were years old-decades, perhaps centuries old.

Tenebrous wondered, with dawning horror, if his retrovirus might have somehow mutated, if its effects on the maxi-chlorians might go somehow deeper than excision of foresight?

What if his eternal life would be.... this?

Or worse: what if his foresight hadn't been eliminated, but had been somehow twisted in upon itself? What if his remains were ancient because this was the thousandth time he had relived his death and the shattering revelation of his life-long self-deception.... what if this was the millionth time he'd relived it?

The billionth?

Then he knew, and at that moment he wished he still had a mouth, because he really, really needed to scream.

Dying, Tenebrous observed with mild surprise, was turning out to be not only pleasant, but wholly wonderful; had he ever suspected how much he'd enjoy the process, he wouldn't have wasted all these decades waiting for his foolish apprentice Plagueis to do him in....

Source: The Tenebrous Way

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Count Dooku vs Mace Windu

This is not a battle thread. This is my own assessment of the battle, and also addressing the multiple misconceptions created regarding this. Obviously, a majority of users would favor Mace Windu. From a film-only perspective, perhaps they would be correct. But SW is vastly larger than just the six films, and within the EU, the fight is not nearly as clearly established.

First and foremost is probably the most heated discussion regarding them - their repute as duelists. Dooku has been listed by sources to be Mace's rival more than once. For example:

This is purely subjective, but it is from Yoda, somebody who has sparred with them both, so if anybody could offer an opinion that would be virtually objective and still well-informed, it would be Yoda:

The Count's blade was quick as a viper striking. Among the other Jedi, perhaps only Mace Windu would have been his equal on neutral ground: but here on Vjun, steeped in the dark side, his bladework was malice made visible—wickedness cut in red light.

Source: Yoda: Dark Rendezvous

There are also sources pertaining to Dooku (as a Jedi) having outsparred Windu before:

Master Windu himself remained perfectly balanced and centered. In the history of the Jedi Order, only two opponents ever overcame him in battle. One was Master Yoda, who some said was the Order's true master of lightsaber combat. The other was former Master Dooku, whose own fighting style was archaic, yet stunningly effective.

Source: Power of the Jedi Sourcebook

Of course, Windu has presumably beaten Dooku as well by virtue of his reputation as Dooku's equal, but there are no sources to confirm this. And regarding whether Windu wasn't in his prime or not, Windu was on the Council ten years prior to TPM (as per Shatterpoint), and we also know that by that time he was Jedi Master, and Dooku hadn't left the Order until after TPM. His apprentice Depa was also a master and on the council by the time of TPM, and we know she had expressed proficiency in Vaapad around this time. As such, we pretty much know Windu had already developed and was an adept of Vaapad around the time he would have been sparring with Dooku. And we know that Dooku was able to recognize Vaapad during his fight with Sora Bulq, so clearly he had faced Vaapad some time in the past and his spars with Windu would be the only logical conclusion for how Dooku would have recognized Vaapad.

There is also no source that confirms Windu actually had any increase in skill or power afterwards, while we do know that Dooku's ability improved as a Sith (I doubt this would matter at all, though). Altogether, we now know that during Dooku's spars with Windu, during which he defeated Windu at least once (if not repeatedly) and stalemated him or fought closely with him enough times for their reputation to be considered equal, and we also know that Windu has already mastered Vaapad at this time, so not having developed Vaapad is not an excuse either.

Regarding generic feats, we can assess their fights against other foes to back up the assertions of their equality. First and foremost, here is Mace Windu's fight against Sora Bulq:

As you can see, in actual lightsaber dueling, they were actually only about equal. People often assume that Windu defeated Bulq, but the ending was due to telekinesis, not dueling skill, which we are discussing. For that matter, Sora landed a single TK hit on Windu earlier, but the effects of it were completely negligible - and because the focus of the art shifted to Ventress after this, we never really saw how Bulq would have recovered. As such, we don't know whether Sora would have actually lost the duel or whether the Force Push hardly mattered. In any case, it actually hardly does matter, since in actual lightsaber combat, we can see that neither of them managed to gain any sort of victory over the other.

Here is Dooku's fight against Bulq (and Tholme):

As you can see, the fight is much shorter. Not only that, but the outcome of this fight is much clearer. Dooku disarms Sora within one panel (although we don't necessarily know the time), and then incapacitates him with Lightning. This proves both saber and Force-oriented advantages lie with Dooku. It's also worth noting that Dooku was fighting Tholme at the same time. Of course, after this fight, Dooku creamed Tholme, but this doesn't really matter at all.

Regarding their respective showings, it would seem Dooku's feat is superior. However, Mace has an excuse. Sora Bulq was once his primary partner and friend - they developed and practiced Vaapad together. As such, this would innately form a relationship not unlike that of Anakin's and Obi-Wan's, which also contributed to their duel (I won't go into detail about that, but I referenced it here: http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/battle-misconceptions-obi-wan-vs-anakin-1547403/). As such, that would have affected the outcome of their fight, and based off both accolades and feats, we know Windu to be superior to Bulq anyways, so had the fight been extended, I would have expected Windu to outfight Bulq as well. This encyclopedic, or at least near-encyclopedic, knowledge of each other's fighting styles (which is virtually identical) would have certainly altered the fight. This may be why Windu and Bulq had a much closer fight than Dooku and Bulq.

The next showing I wanted to discuss is their respective performances against General Grievous. Here, we see Windu stalemating Grievous:

Kit's bulging black eyes indicated Palpatine. "They want to take him alive."
The words had scarcely left his mouth when something hit the train with sufficient force to whip everyone from one side of the car to the other, then back again. The Red Guards were just regaining their balance when the roof began to resound with the cadence of heavy, clanging footfalls, advancing from the rear of the train."Grievous," Mace grumbled.Kit glanced at him. "Here we go again."Hurrying into the vestibule between the two lead cars, they launched themselves to the roof. Three cars distant marched General Grievous and two of his elite droids, their capes snapping behind them in the wind, pulse-tipped batons angled across their barrel chests. Farther back, clamped by animal-like claws to the roof of the train, was the gunboat from which the frightful trio had been released.Without pausing, Grievous drew two lightsabers from inside his billowing cloak. By the time they were ignited, Mace was already on and all over the cyborg, batting away at the two blades, swinging low at Grievous's artificial legs, thrusting at his skeletal face. The lightsabers thrummed and hissed, meeting one another in bursts of dazzling light. In a corner of Mace's mind he wondered to which Jedi Grievous's blades had belonged. Just as the Force was keeping Mace from being blown from the mag-lev's roof, magnetism of some sort was keeping the general fastened in place. For the cyborg, though, the coherence hindered as much as it helped, whereas Mace never remained in one place for very long.Again and again the three blades joined, in snarling attacks and parries. Grievous was well trained in the Jedi arts. Mace could recognize the hand of Dooku in the general's training and technique. His strikes were as forceful as any Mace had ever had to counter, and his speed was astonishing. But he didn't know Vaapad—the technique of dark flirtation in which Mace excelled. To the rear of the car, where Grievous's pair of MagnaGuards had made the mistake of pitting themselves against Kit Fisto, the Nautolan's blade was a cyclone of blazing blue light. Resistant to the energy outpourings of a lightsaber, the phrik alloy staffs were potent weapons, but like any weapon they needed to find their target, and Kit simply wasn't allowing that. In moves a Twi'lek dancer might envy, he spun around the guards, claiming a limb from both with each rotation: left legs, right arms, right legs...The speed of the train saw to the rest, ultimately whisking the droids into the canyon like insects blown from the windscreen of a speeder bike. The loss of his confederates was noted by whatever computers were slaved to Grievous's organic brain, but the loss neither distracted nor slowed him. His sole setting was attack. Successful at analyzing Mace's lightsaber style, those same computers suggested that Grievous alter his stance and posture, along with the angle of his parries, ripostes, and thrusts. The result wasn't Vaapad, but it was close enough, and Mace wasn't interested in prolonging the contest any longer than necessary. Crouching low, he angled the blade downward and slashed, guiding it through the roof of the car, perpendicular to Grievous's stalwart advance. Mace saw by the surprised look in the cyborg's reptilian eyes that, for all his strength, dexterity, and resolve, the living part of him wasn't always in perfect sync with his alloy servos. Clearly, Grievous—onetime courageous commander of sentient troops—realized what Mace had done and wanted to sidestep, where General Grievous—current commander of droids and other war machines—wanted nothing more than to impale Mace with lunging thrusts of the paired blades.Slipping into the gap made by Mace's saber, Grievous's left talon lost magnetic purchase on the roof, and the general faltered. Mace came out of his crouch prepared to drive his sword into Grievous's guts, but some last-instant firing of the general's cybersynapses compelled the cyborg's torso through a swift half twist that would have sent Mace's head hurtling into the canyon had the maneuver prevailed. Instead Mace leapt backward, out of the range of the slicing blades, and Force-pushed outward, just at the instant of Grievous's single misstep.Off the side of the car the general went, twisting and turning as he fell, Mace trying to track the general's contorted plunge, but unsuccessfully. Had he fallen into the canyon? Had he managed to dig his duranium claws into the side of the car or grab hold of the mag-lev rail itself?Mace couldn't take the time to puzzle it out. One hundred meters away, the gunboat retracted its landing gear and rose from the roof on repulsorlift power. Reckless shots from one of the pursuing gunships obliged the Separatist craft to skew, then dive, with the gunship following close behind.Source: Labyrinth of Evil

Again, if you fail to pay attention to the context of the fight, it may seem like Windu won. However, this was, again, by a Force attack. Disregarding the telekinetic assault used to BFR Grievous, Mace Windu only exercised rivaling skill in this fight. They only fought as equals. Technically, Mace was already winning because he "outmaneuvered" Grievous, but this is also because Grievous's own maneuverability was restricted in this combat scenario. He was forced to use his magnetic clamps to attach himself to the mag-lev train, but Windu had the advantage of being able to use the Force's properties to prevent himself from falling off without having to limit his own mobility. So again, this is a Force-afforded advantage, not a skill-afforded one.

Conversely, Dooku has repeatedly outfought Grievous before:

Grievous had been a delight to train, as well. No need to coax him to release his anger and rage, as Dooku had been forced to do during the training of his so-called Dark Jedi disciples. The Geonosians had arranged for Grievous to be nothing but anger and rage. And as to the general's combat skills, few, if any, Jedi would be capable of defeating him. There had been moments during the extensive combat sessions when even Dooku had been hard-pressed to outduel the cyborg.

Source: Labyrinth of Evil

We've visually seen one of these spars also:

Again, looking at these feats, Mace only stalemated Grievous in pure dueling skill, while Dooku has repeatedly exercised superiority over Grievous. But Mace has an excuse, once again. Dooku trained Grievous. He would know essentially every nuance and nook and cranny of Grievous's fighting techniques, while the same cannot be said for Mace. Technically, Mace did recognize a part of Grievous's technique as having been bequeathed to him by Dooku, but that doesn't mean he had nearly as much knowledge on how Grievous fought as Tyranus did. And at least Grievous has presented challenges to Dooku more than once. In any case, had the fight been prolonged, I would have expected Mace to have oufought Grievous every time, but that's simply not what we got in the duration of their fight.

I feel as if some people may still misinterpret Windu's fight with Sidious, so I will let another blog speak for that: http://www.comicvine.com/profile/silver2467/blog/mace-windu-vs-darth-sidious-what-really-happened/77247/ Whether you believe that Sidious threw the fight (despite the fact that sources like the RotS novelization heavily imply that) is up to you, since no source has and no source probably ever will confirm that, but this is no excuse to ignore the stone-hard fact that Windu was heavily amped during the fight. Even then, he only fought evenly with Palpatine until Sidious channeled the approaching Anakin's fear, and thanks to Vaapad's mechanics, Windu was able to harness this against Palpatine, so there is at least some element that was definitely played out by Sidious. The fight and overall showing is just illegitimate, however. You can discuss this here in his blog.

Overall, I think that without having to address their various other dueling feats, it can be rather easily deduced at this point that they are equals. Maybe I might accept Dooku being barely, virtually inscrutably more skilled, but this would be practically negligible and I would most certainly not accept any disparity greater than that. The point should be clear, however. Mace simply isn't more skilled by Dooku, unlike what many people believe, and certainly not by the margin some people would make it out to be.

In regards to other physical attributes, Windu really doesn't have an advantage. In strength, his best feat would be flattening Super Battle Droid plating, but based on the art, it is plausible that this is Shatterpoint, which probably won't matter at all in this fight (I'll discuss that later). For Dooku, he has hardly any strength feats in application against any sort of material, but he has repeatedly stomped Ventress and Obi-Wan physically, for what it's worth. In any case, Windu's strength, if it could even be interpreted to be superior, would virtually never matter. Dooku has fought stronger beings without struggle before, and based off his previous ability to combat Windu, I doubt it would be a factor again.

Just for note, there are people that assume that due to his age, Dooku's physical traits are rather lacking. However, any particularly seasoned Force user would be able to overcome the infirmities of old age and still possess superman physical attributes, like Yoda. Obviously, since Dooku isn't quite as powerful as Yoda, his physical traits aren't quite as good, but it's still described as better than most beings half his age:

Physically, the Count's age was rarely a handicap. Deft as he had become with the Force-unimaginably more subtle than the boy who had watched water-skeeters in the Jedi gardens all those years ago-he wore his eighty-three standard years better than most humans half his age. He was still in superb physical shape, senses keen, health undiminished by even the memory of a cold.

Source: Yoda: Dark Rendezvous

For speed, however, there should not be nearly as much equality. Dooku has repeatedly shown to be faster than Obi-Wan, and Obi-Wan is at least as fast as Windu as per their speed feats. Dooku should be faster. This won't be worth very much, but I would be remiss to ignore it altogether.

The two droids fired at Obi-Wan, but he batted their fired energy bolts back at them and cut them down as he moved fast for Dooku. Unfortunately, Dooku moved faster, extending his left hand toward Obi-Wan as he used the Force to lift the Jedi off his feet while at the same time constricting his throat.

Source: The Rise and Fall of Darth Vader

We've finished discussing their physical traits, now - which are mostly just even anyways. The real disparity between them is their Force ability. I did make a note of Shatterpoint earlier on, but as aforementioned, it would never be a factor. Shatterpoint has only affected Windu's duels with fodder or fodder-like characters, but it has just about always been inconsequential in his fights against other seasoned opponents (save for Sidious, but again, that fight was not respective of his natural ability), and it never appeared to matter in their past spars either, so I think that speaks for itself. Not to mention Dooku's own Force senses are highly advanced - for example, he once, while drugged, fought evenly with Ventress and two Nightsisters who Mother Talzin claimed to be among their best, and the drugs were enough to effectively blind him and likely would have affected him physically in general.

In respects to their power in general, Dooku should be clearly superior. He has been listed as one of history's most powerful Force practitioners, an accolade Mace has never received (or received anything close to that):

In regards to their general telekinetic feats, Dooku is also just better. Mace has hurled a droid nearly three kilometers, has manipulated boulders, trees and AT-TE's, utilized telekinetic lightsaber combat, utilized Force Crush, and so on. However, we have also seen him strained before. Conversely, Dooku has collapsed bridges larger than shuttles, buried Tholme under a number of boulders, collapsed portions of caves, redirected small sand tornadoes, collapsed cranes, stomped Obi-Wan and Ventress with the Force, etc. It is worth noting that these feats required nowhere near his full power to exercise, just about all of which were done with practical ease. There is a feat for Windu in which he was stomping hundreds of droids with TK, but that's just an inconsistent feat in general. His TK feats have never been portrayed as equal to that in any other circumstance, and there have been times where he has failed to lift miniature transports, so disregarding the high-end/low-end feats for Mace, Dooku is just preponderant in this aspect. Regarding just how preponderant Dooku is, I would like to say that Windu is barely, if at all, superior to Obi-Wan and Ventress in TK, both of whom were shamed by Dooku.

So overall, in a fight, they are just about even, and in spite of Dooku's own skill for applying Force powers in combat, his preponderant Force abilities likely wouldn't afford him the victory enough for any sort of large majority. Dooku wins only 6-7/10 at best, and that's pretty much stretching it. Personally, I see this fight being anywhere from 5.5-6.5/10 in Dooku's favor, maybe 7/10, but definitely no more than that.

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