I have to give it to higor. He had better arguments all around though I feel he could have utilized ventress a lot more.
There were falsehoods posted on both sides but all in all very well done.
I have to give it to higor. He had better arguments all around though I feel he could have utilized ventress a lot more.
There were falsehoods posted on both sides but all in all very well done.
Lol. This argument always amuses me. Which nearly all powerful character is the more powerful nearly all powerful character.
Being that both characters are from completely different branches of fiction, comparing the feats of them is in and of itself a falacy. Who's universe is larger? Who defeated more powerful opponents? Why is that even relevant? If all parties involved can do whatever they please in their respected universe (Under the supreme power of said universe obviously) how exactly are you going to gauge which is the more powerful? The fact is you can't. Oh well, nerds will be nerds.
On a side note I feel like this conversation would be vastly more entertaining if we dropped the vs factor and argued philosophy instead. :)
We'd need about a minute. The plan is literally just "Go over to the enemy and attack them." Doesn't take that much time.
There's also the monster's (Kampe, Hellhound, Medusa.) amazing sense of smell. They can pick out demigods from humans, and I'm sure Gambit wouldn't smell like a normal human.
Us locating Gambit and making a plan isn't giving you any more time than about a minute, and the travel time is instant. You aren't getting any amount of troops worth mentioning.
Your entire team just got dropped into a plane of existence they dont know. That right there is going to taake a bit to settle in. You also have Hades and his summon. As i recall its a different summon than the last round so he needs to 1 determine what he is summoning and 2 actually do it. Next you have to locate Gambit. Youve showcased why that wont take much in the way of time but it will still take some, especially when you have 35 different monsters running around. No one on your team has met him before so they dont know what he smells like.Finally you have a four pronged attack idea which granted wont take much time to come up with but will still need to be explained to the rest of your team.
While none of these will take much time alone you couple them all together and that should amount to a few minutes.
Lets also note the size of the map. Not overly large is it? The monsters are strewn about said map yes? Well lets assume that your average human can run a quarter mile in just over minute. The monsters should be able to accomplish the same feat yes? In a two minute time frame all of them should be converging on Gambits position since they wont go near your team, as previously stated.
I'd like to see those feats when you can get them. If the one you posted in your other post are it, I'm not super impressed. I want to see him still being able to control something after another mental force has attempted to scare them away. And remember, even if you do have some, they'd just be killed from the get go by Medusa.
Pardon the quality. Its a phone picture. Anyway as you can see the lord of Limbo had all of these little beastys under his rule. Two words from gambit changed that instantly, right from under his nose. Now the best you have showcased fro Hades and his Helm is that it can effect other members of the big three, who going by the fact that hades is a one pointer doesnt amount to much.How much mental resistance to Poseidon and Zeus have? Can you showcase that?
There will be no distance here, since we are teleporting in right beside you.
As for surviving, probably not. Avoiding on the other hand? No problem. Both Medusa and Kampe could just fly away, Hades and the Hound could teleport, and Sciron won't be near Gambit anyways.
I also doubt he'd use one of those against an enemy a foot away from him. Might end up hurting himself.
So your entire team is teleporting directly on top of Gambit except Sciron. Cool take on a bit more planning time for that.
How are Medusa and Kampe going to fight up close if they are flying away? What kind of reflex feats do you have to support that they can react to Gambits cards anyway?
Bostaff shockwave.
Condensed explosion from his bostaff. Note hes literally right there is is unharmed.
Yea, but no. That required Gambit to tag and touch them. It's not happening when Kampe is more or at least equally skilled as him and he's too busy dealing with all the other things. Even if he did manage to turn Kampe, he'd just be kill while he's in the process by the several other things.
How exactly do you determine that Kampe is more skilled? Because she can fight two kids Whom as far as im aware she launches out of the water in terms of physical stats? Ok then.
Vs Blade who outmatches anyone here in stats.
Vs Daken another legitimate meta human.
Vs Wolverine (Im sure everyone knows who he is)
Sorry im finding it very hard to believe that anyone here is more skilled than Gambit.
And as far as turning her, if you look at thye scans i posted youll see it took one card and Dazzlers was done. Unless you can prove that somehow Kampe can avoid this then id say she belongs to Death now.
The Kampe thing won't work in time and you'd have 5 at the very most. There is no logical way you're getting all the monsters to your location before Hades can be like, "We're gonna attack this dude. Don't be idiots." then teleport them.
And again, those minions, even if you had them all, aren't holding off my team for long. Medusa solos or Hades uses the Earth to nom them up.
You showed a normal human being unable to react to him? Ok? My characters are above that. They should easily be able to dodge. And it's not like he can throw nearly as accurately when being attacked from all angles and constantly trying to dodge.
The Mosters are there for the sole purpose to attack and kill our respective teams. As soon as we spawn they will be making a bee line for us. Since they wont go near you they will approach Gambit.
You have provided no evidence as to why Kampe wont be turned.
With your team fighting off 30 monsters, Gambit can easily hit Kampe to turn her, as well as take a few extra shots at your team. Distractions work very well.
Yeah... a normal human holding a nuclear bomb and detonator. Remy took her out before she could press a flippin button as well as disabling the bomb by hitting the correct wire... with a throw. Yeah that is in fact ridiculously accurate.
oh and on toxins
Food for thought
Quick intro:
Remy Lebeu, with the ability to use kinetic energy to charge inanimate objects till the explode. General rule of thumb, the larger the object the larger the explosion.
On top Of Gambits explosive powers, he gets several passive abilities due to the kinetic energy flowing through his body. Most of these involve highly enhanced stats especially reflexes and agility.
With his Death persona his stats are further increased as well as giving him mind control powers and the ability to create and manipulate toxins.
Raven Darkholm is a mutant shapeshifter with the ability to perfectly mimic the likeness and voice of anyone. On top of changing her form into other people she has the capability to morph her body into what ever shape she desires. This includes shifting her vital organs out of harms way to avoid serious injury, elongating and creating extra limbs, and even making an extra head with half her brain in each to allow cohesive thought in both.
As well being able to morph her body into most any shape or form, Mystique also gains super human stats across the board and a healing factor.
From the beginning of the fight, both of your characters are out. This gives my team 5 minutes of prep to get into positions and stuff. It also means I'll still have all my characters when the fight begins.
With the five minutes prep, my team will get into the positioning seen below.
As you can see, your team is well surrounded. Once they spawn in, they'll be confused and immediately under assault. It should go something like this.
So in order to progress you have to prove your team can dodge bullets they can't see and a large assortment of other surprise attacks from all angles while being too scared to move. If you can, we can discuss the fight itself.
Your plan is interesting though you have one slight flaw. It is very heavily reliant on getting the drop on my team when they spawn. The main problem comes into play when you realize i dont have to bench both my team members. Im fully allowed to bunch one for ten minutes instead of five.
So to start off Mystique gets benched for ten minutes leaving poor old Gambit all by his silly self for that time.
So to start things off, Gambit will use one of his more underrated abilities.
For some reason people just tend to agree with him and do what he says. Even the Shadow King he may be swayed by his words. Now how will i utilize this in a combat situation? Elementary my dear Watson, hes going to use it on the Goulies attacking us.
Mayhaps a more refined example is needed here.
A little bit more in line with the situation at hand no? In a basic nutshell Gambit convinced the demons in Limbo to follow him for the extent of the next two issues. The same happens here. No i have a small army of Werewolves Vampires and "Zombies" at my disposal. This allows Gambit to easily last long enough for Mystique to join in the fray.
Now id assume your are going to bring up Hades and his scary Helmet. Not a Problem. Kronos was able to lead his troops into battle despite them being afraid and wanting to run away. The sames should bode true here. How does Gambit get around being petrified with pure unadulterated terror? Im glad you asked.
Gambit has ridiculous mental resistance. Even a fear helmet should have minimal effect. But wait theres more.
His Death powers enhance this ability as well.
Oh and Mystique has mental resistance out the wazzu as well :)
One more
As you can prolly tell, i considered the problems with mind manipulation type abilities when reading the rules and chose characters accordingly.
And as the clincher since you asked,
Since you brought up bullets, point blank deflecting. Not only that hes sending the back Elvis Presley style.
and heck well show some love to Raven as well.
Dodging and tanking shots, also point blank.
Your strategy will need to be rethought ever so slightly since you dont get a five minute prep window.
I covered the issues with Hades Helmet which it would seem that you were banking on a bit.
My question for you is how will you beat both my characters ( All of yours are single pointers and individually will be outdone by mine tenfold), and my ever increasing army of monsters?
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