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#1 Posted by Sherlock (7255 posts) - - Show Bio

@lunacyde:

1-/2: My staying alive at all hinges in my porting around constantly. As you previously stated, I have no super human senses or reflexes or precognition or durability or stats or even armor (I believe Erik pulled my Nomex/ Kevlar stuff)

I'm very vulnerable to attack out there. My main defense is making it extremely difficult to get a lock on me.

So assuming that Jack does manage to blind me again (It won't happen often because he's also gonna have trouble getting a lock on me) then, since I'm gonna teleport anyway I just leave the black patches behind.

3. This is true.

4. The difference here is that I'm a teleporter shooting arrows. You have no idea where the shots are coming from, or when. I can teleport round and round you firing arrows till my hearts content. And should this all fail I have Sov as backup.

Question. With your armor why would you even bother dodging an arrow?

Also, are you guys attacking Beatbocks? Or myself and Sov?

5. I rigged all my arrows with bolts on the tips. If my arrow makes contact so does the bolt.

6. Good thing I'm not talking about effecting you internally then. If I were going for that route I'd just port the landscape inside everyone ones legs. That however is dreadfully boring and as you stayed against the rules.

Part two of my armor "Piercing" plan wasn't to put the arrow directly into you body but to port it between your body and your armor so as to still have a clean shot and not break any rules.

7. I'm gonna go into more detail for this one afterwords.

8. Which rules would I be violating? I just looked through them and there is literally nothing illegalizing this strategy.

The strategy in case I didn't specify,

Simply teleport my arrows a few milemeters away from the Intended target making it nearly impossible to dodge (Let alone see coming)

How would that be in any way illegal?

Honestly though, the only person I would use that on is jack since he's annoying the crap out of my team right now.

I'll talk about actually tagging people in my next post.

#2 Posted by Sherlock (7255 posts) - - Show Bio

@lunacyde:

1-/2: My staying alive at all hinges in my porting around constantly. As you previously stated, I have no super human senses or reflexes or precognition or durability or stats or even armor (I believe Erik pulled my Nomex/ Kevlar stuff)

I'm very vulnerable to attack out there. My main defense is making it extremely difficult to get a lock on me.

So assuming that Jack does manage to blind me again (It won't happen often because he's also gonna have trouble getting a lock on me) then, since I'm gonna teleport anyway I just leave the black patches behind.

3. This is true.

4. The difference here is that I'm a teleporter shooting arrows. You have no idea where the shots are coming from, or when. I can teleport round and round you firing arrows till my hearts content. And should this all fail I have Sov as backup.

Question. With your armor why would you even bother dodging an arrow?

Also, are you guys attacking Beatbocks? Or myself and Sov?

5. I rigged all my arrows with bolts on the tips. If my arrow makes contact so does the bolt.

6. Good thing I'm not talking about effecting you internally then. If I were going for that route I'd just port the landscape inside everyone ones legs. That however is dreadfully boring and as you stayed against the rules.

Part two of my armor "Piercing" plan wasn't to put the arrow directly into you body but to port it between your body and your armor so as to still have a clean shot and not break any rules.

7. I'm gonna go into more detail for this one afterwords.

8. Which rules would I be violating? I just looked through them and there is literally nothing illegalizing this strategy.

The strategy in case I didn't specify,

Simply teleport my arrows a few milemeters away from the Intended target making it nearly impossible to dodge (Let alone see coming)

How would that be in any way illegal?

Honestly though, the only person I would use that on is jack since he's annoying the crap out of my team right now.

I'll talk about actually tagging people in my next post.

#3 Posted by Sherlock (7255 posts) - - Show Bio

@lunacyde: I'm still phone posting due to lack of a computer (I actually have to go to the library for that) so I can't repost scans.

Anyway Fetts posted a scan of blink Tekeporting a sedative from the inside of a seringe directly into avalanches bloodstream. She has quite a bit of finess with her teleporting. She's also multiple time teleported specific objects and not what they were attached to.

It's the same basic principle here. I would teleport away and leave the dark spots behind. It's definitely in Blinks repitaiur to do so.

Another small misconception going around is my opening a portal for SSX to jump through. That is something I will not be doing since its pointless. I'll just blink him with a bolt. No forewarning and no portal on you guys end.

When Fetts said you and Ferro were maimed he was referring to my previous post. You said that you were engaging myself and Sov. So in that ensueing battle I'm gonna fire arrows at you. I came up with a way to get through your armor with said arrows as well.

The first is upon contact to teleport the contacted bit of armor away leaving a hole for the arrow to pass through. Since this is teleportation durability is not a factor on this. I'd also note that it's not dismembering anyone. There was no rule against my teleporting gear away from you guys.

The second method is to simply teleport underneath the armor where you aren't protected. Either way my arrows are going to hurt you.

Link has shown that he is a capable archer, nothing on the level of hawkeye or green arrow (The are the "I call BS" kind of archers). That being said he is not perfect and should my shots miss I have a backup plan. Using my same teleporting arrow method I simply teleport the arrow the instant I loose it. This makes the arrow nearly impossible to dodge and the best part is that I can hit you from wherever I want.

This also helps me if I start losing. Should the need arise ill do what every coward does best and run away and hit you guys where you can't hit me back.

Using this method I could pretty easily cripple every member if your team the instant the fight begins. Honestly though that's no fun at all.

#4 Posted by Sherlock (7255 posts) - - Show Bio

@lunacyde: As am I. It's awesome to know that you are as well.

The way it was described was putting black spots over our eyes. In the case of regular movement he could easily keep the dark spots on us. Following me in the case if a teleport would be near impossible

#5 Posted by Sherlock (7255 posts) - - Show Bio

@lunacyde: @fetts: I had no idea you guys were sox fans!!! Where do you live Fetts? In probably pretty close by.

I think I get an idea if what's going on.

First off at the start of the fight in hanging out behind my shield. I have no intention of getting shot and some random dude with a rifle taking aim at me is a good indicator that its gonna happen. Should anyone make any attempt at putting me down with a bullet I'm gonna port it into their knee.

Blinding me in the way you are talking about will be fruitless since I can simply port myself away. Ive got an entire football field to work with. It shouldn't be a problem.

Blink also has ungodly accuracy with her teleports. She teleported the Xmen to the moon when she was just starting out with them. She also regularly ports objects and people off the planet. She did so to Sabertooth at one point and ported directly to his location. Needless to say my powers work just fine when I can't see my target.

Blink is also able to port people and objects without using a bolt as Fetts has showcased. If I so desired I could port my entire team anywhere I wanted within the confines of the stadium anytime I want to do it. This more or less neutralizes any blinding that jack can do since I can simply move them away from the blinders. I do apologize about the scan quality if that one though. It's one if mine and I don't have a scanner. My apologies.

So currently I believe I'm fighting Ferro and Luna yes?

I've already gone into why I'm not gonna be blinded. A tractor beam is useless since I can easily just port out of it. Any and all projectile attacks are also ill founded since I can simply send them back.

Since I can't port you out of bounds I can't do much for getting rid of you but I can certainly cripple you both to the point that you won't do much for the rest of the round.

This one needs to be oked by Erik. I'm not allowed to dismember you guys. (I assume frag is also out of the question. It's kinda cheap anyway) that says nothing about your gear. In the dark round I equipped my arrows with port crystals (For lack of a better term). These will port through your armor allowing the arrow to pemtrate the soft person underneath (As always I go for the knees) neither if you will do much of anything with an arrow in your kneecaps.

There are two ways I can do this as well. One is that my teleport removes the portion if armor it hits allowing the arrow to go through.

The second is to bypass it completely via teleportation.

I know ill prolly get a lot of crap for this tactic but you gotta admit that's intuitive!

#6 Posted by Sherlock (7255 posts) - - Show Bio

@erik: Let me finish being homeless and I'll get on top of it

#7 Edited by Sherlock (7255 posts) - - Show Bio

@erik: @erik:

Luna said I could make a case for Mays spider sense. Obviously I'm going to do so. I see this is one of those my game and I make the rules situations though so I'll leave it be.

If you really feel the need to address other points from the previous posts feel free to bring them up. We can argue about things that don't matter till your hearts content. :-)

So you're trying to tell me that this cloud of Ferros has one path down it that Luna is covering with the rest being covered by you??? You personally are going to cover 3 miles worth of blackness? You must be kidding. This brings us back to OMG finding Sov and I again. If he can't pull that off then there is no way on earth heaven or hell that you are pulling this off. Your entire strategy is heavily flawed in this area. Chances are you will never even notice us. Then there you covering 3 miles with cards. How many cards do you think you could carry in all seriousness? Not to mention how long it would take you to cover the area needed. Even you in all your ego based bias must see how ridiculous this strategy is.

All those feats are very well and good. Only one thing, for each and every one of those Gambit has physical contact with the charged object. Unless you have some means of stretching your body over three miles worth of cards your plan still won't work. Sorry but Gambit has never shown the capabilities needed to do what you suggest, so unless you have a backup plan there's nothing stopping Sov and I from hunting you guys down and taking the flag when you're out of commission.

Ah the plot card, very original.

No the Kain situation was not conflicting with what was previously set up in other books. The reason that Peters sense can't detect Ben and Kain is because they are clones if him. His spider sense sees both of them as Peter himself and therefore treats them as such. When Kain mutated well beyond the norm, peters sense no longer labeled him as "self". It's pretty simple to understand given a little effort.

Not that it matters anyway since this is your game and only your interpretation of the rules matters.

Anyway do you have another plan? It's pretty obvious that your current one is a failure. If not ill get to how Sov and I take your take your team down and capture the flag.

#8 Posted by Sherlock (7255 posts) - - Show Bio

@erik: Let me try to run threw this again since you are obviously not getting my thought process.

May has proven that she can detect the Peter from her universe. Since she can detect him it's logical that the same would be true for him. Why? Because the immunity has ALWAYS been written as a two way street. If she can detect him then it's logical that he can detect her. Obviously and for obvious reasons I can't prove that 616 Peter can't detect her and vice versa, and just in case that needs clarification as well, because they haven't ever met.

The reason for my ignoring other topics aside from my selfish dislike for posting vast scenarios with my phone is that the don't matter to the fight at hand. I'm also not overly fond of outrageously cluttered debates. If they need to be addressed in the future then I have no problem doing so. At hand though the only points that matter are Sov and myself in Ferros dark cloud and your assault on us. Does that makes sense?

Now if its not too much trouble could you please elaborate on what exactly this cloud is looking like? The way you are currently painting the picture is that the cloud is a large bubble (No you didn't say that. That's the impression I'm getting. To be fair you haven't been clear at all) with you at one side of it near the beginning, looking through a tunnel on your belly low enough that to see it I would have to do the same, scanning for us from 100 yards away waiting for us to pass through. Am I correct on that? If not can you paint a slightly clearer picture of what exactly is underfoot?

Oh and before I forget. How wide exactly is your tunnel?

Gambit has never shown the ability to charge an object and let it be for any prolonged period if time. He charges it abd it blows up. The only way you would be able to get all the cards into the position you want them is to do it long before hand, in which case they would have to be charged up for a substantial period of time. Feel free to prove me wrong on that.

Why on earth would my spider sense think that charging cards is something I could do? Heck when Kaine went cuckoo for cocoa puffs and mutated Peter could detect him. He currently can't since he dummed it down again. Why should your cards be treated differently? It's pretty obvious that I can't charge objects. Is my personal spider sense some sort mutated half wit one that would suddenly think that it could because you, someone I know nothing about can?

Finally the personal attacks are getting rather old. I'm aware that that's how you have always done business but it makes the entire ordeal much less fun which is what this was supposed to be.

#9 Posted by Sherlock (7255 posts) - - Show Bio

@erik: Since Vader with his precognition can detect spiderman, that makes his precognition superior to 616 Peter Parker. Therefore him not being limited in the same way is a double standard.

Most of the topics we covered are irrelevant since Sov and myself are in the black cloud.

You still haven't explained how you know where we are unless this cloud of Ferros is tiny you have no guarantee that you will ever see us.

Gambits charging powers don't work at range, something I'm pretty sure you are fully aware of.

If you are littering cards all of the ground anyway there is no reason at all that my and sovs spider senses won't pick them up. We can't detect you, you have no evidence to say that everything spiderman has handled wont be detected either.

Basically I'm not buying your strategy unless you have something to back it up.

I do however see why you were so hell bent to get mays spider sense illegalized. Quite amusing really

#10 Posted by Sherlock (7255 posts) - - Show Bio

@lunacyde: @erik:

@erik: @lunacyde: Appologies for the late reply. County fair :-) anyway looks like my team did not in fact pick up the slack so I'll get to this myself again.

On the spider sense:

Since May can detect Peter it stands to reason that the opposite is true for him based on how the not being able to detect other spiderman works. That alone makes this difference nothing better than the normal one. Just different and I see no reason it should be illegal.

Hypothetical scenario now:

Suppose you have a character with precognition, say Darth Vader, who has no spiderman is his universe. Because he should be able to detect Peter via his powers does that mean he gets nerfed the same way? Is Vader also not able to detect spidermen because of the precognition limit? If May is then so should everyone else otherwise we have a double standard on our hands, and I'm not overly fond of those.

1. There is also foliage on this map and said foliage in this temperature would be burning hence creating smoke. There is also a lot of water here and given the nature of water and once again the heat if the map that should also create a thick fog.

So shall I assume what you are getting at is that Luna can make out the vague shapes in all this murk better than the rest of us? I don't see how that help him much. Oh and there's a term for semi transparent. It's called translucent, like a piece of white paper is translucent. Which BTW is still pretty hard to see through no matter how good your eyes are.

2. No gear sharing got it.

3. Tell what to punisher? Care to elaborate on that one?

4. So Ferro is going to sit and meditate the entire fight? Won't that put a slight damper on you're entire plan? Higor also has Mystical training as he stated. Care to clarify why his training is instantly thrown out yet Ferros isn't?

5. Ok so let me see if I get this picture right. Luna has a vantage point, somewhere away from Ferros giant cloud of death so he can ya know actually see something.

Erik is waiting inside Ferros cloud with a teeny tiny hole to look through that just happens to be exactly where we are walking. Coincidence right?

Dane hasn't factored in yet, and Ferro is too busy concentrating on his dark field and apparently his breathing to do a whole heck of a lot else.

Is that about accurate?

6. Yes Luna will go through hell and I didn't say anything about winds at all. I'm not really sure why you brought that up.

Luna still has a poor field of vision. However enhanced his senses are he is not going to see anyone overly clearly unless they are right on top of him. That in and of itself makes shooting a bit if a pain. Not only that though, Everyone on my task force has a spider sense and will see it coming.

I can't speak for OMG or Sov for this one since I'm not overly savvy on their characters however, I personally also have Batmans abilities who is a bullet timer by himself. Add to that movie Sherlock Holmes. With all that going on I don't think it's a stretch to say I could dodge Luna all day. Bucky is quite tactical and all that but my own tactical prowess is much higher with my ability sets.

7. Is the big silly black cloud the faster way to get to the flag? If so I'll take that one. Do I know that there is danger? No not really but a giant darkness is kinda ominous wouldn't you agree? Still my task force has spider senses so pure darkness wouldn't scare us too much. Lets assume I go that way.

So Sov and I are both in Ferros cloud.

-Luna is outside waiting to ambush us. But keeping out if the cloud because his sniping is useless in there.

- Ferro is hardcore busy restricting poisons from his system and at the same time keeping the cloud up and running. As well as the precision holes that you need to see my team while also making sure not to obstruct your vision with hills and rocks and the like all while somehow knowing with pinpoint accuracy (Im assuming this is him) exactly where my team is at all times and keeping you very well informed of said whereabouts.

-Dane is free so you could bring him along if you wanted.

- And Erik is laying on his stomach waiting and praying that Sov and I somehow get into his field of vision. And to think you're getting on my case about OMG locating Sov and I after finding the flag. Talk about double standards.

Anyway that's my though process. We can safely say Sov and I are going through the dark field here so I wanted to touch base with you guys on all the whereabouts of everyone so I can have a clear picture in my head when we finally do fight.

The rest of Erik's post is somewhat irrelevant but ill cover the more important stuff.

Gambits powers have nothing to do with Spider-Man's. That alone may make your entire theory about spider senses moot considering they don't work due to the similarities in the powers, something you no longer have since you have Gambits mixed in.

Yes you see us through a small window low to the ground where you are waiting

To quote you

"Only you would have to search a 3x6 mile map to find us. Even if you know the general direction we are going, you are not going to know where you are unless you get within visual range of Us. Which makes your entire method of attack pretty much useless."

Sound familiar? You're going to have the same problem here. Heck Sov and I might slip right past you without you ever knowing we were there.

OMG can fly. It's not super speed and a more efficient method of travel. He's still easily the fastest character travel wise.

So OMG finds the flag, may or may not find Sov and I again. Just so long as Erik doesn't cling to his double standards I don't have a problem with that at all. If he can't he can go back and hang with Higor.

Sov and I are going into Ferros bug bad cloud of death where Erik is waiting. Should you need any more details feel free to ask for them. You guys should know exactly what I'm doing now so let's get this show on the road.