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#1 Posted by Sherlock (6803 posts) - 1 day, 7 hours ago - Show Bio


I'm so confused. Sherlock makes it out to be instant death, but here you claim it is in fact not instant and with minimal power. Can someone please confirm how powerful this alien really is?

I never said it was instant. Its not like a long and drawn out process either though. Not to mention its quite painful, Raven isnt goign to be in much position to fight back no matter how long it takes for Meg'an to finish with her


@sherlock I will have Kenji make a buffer of flesh around the soon to be made portal

Kimmuriel will cast darkness on a rock

Subject Delta will ready himself as everyone else steps back

Kimmuriel will telekinetically move the rock forward, open a portal and place the rock with darkness cast on it on the other side.

The portal will open behind Hei while fighting Mantis using the link with the clone, as soon as it's open Delta will use telekinesis to yank the electric guy towards his spinning drill. All you will see is an orb of darkness suddenly appear.

Just to clarify the time frame here, this is after Raven goes down and most of my team is still together. All but Zabuza

A few areas im finding fault with. First that is going to take a bit of time. Open portal, put rock in front of portal (What is the rock for anyway?) then TK. Those steps could taker up to 5 seconds. Thats plenty of time for someone to notice.

Next there the fact that Hei will be anchored to Mantis. He cant fire his power over a distance he needs to channel them hence the knives with wire he carries.

Finally and i think this is most important the dude is not a standstill type of guy. If you watched the vids i posted already hes moving around like a fiend all the time. Getting a read on his movements to that extent is going to take way more time than your allowing yourself not to mention a good supply of trial and error.

Oh and how will this work out when there is a giant rock in the way of the portal?

#2 Posted by Sherlock (6803 posts) - 2 days, 5 hours ago - Show Bio

@sherlock said:

Oh no I have something to say about jokergeists rein of terror

As long as I'm ok that's fine. Just a heads up you probably want to clarify who is wearing the eye patch, I'll just assume it's on the leader for now.

I was thinking the same thing about the Joker gas as soon as he utilized it as it did seem like an awful lot but it had yet to become an issue for me.

Zabuza has it and yeah for the time being your in the clear. I had a feeling it would end up like this but iv got too much of a ego to sit back and let people kill each other. Not to mention Jokergeist went after me first

Im just waiting for a reply on the joker gas. If he goes forward with the amount ill take it to floopay since i really do think hes using more than any one person could carry

#3 Posted by Sherlock (6803 posts) - 2 days, 7 hours ago - Show Bio

Oh no I have something to say about jokergeists rein of terror

#4 Posted by Sherlock (6803 posts) - 2 days, 17 hours ago - Show Bio
#5 Edited by Sherlock (6803 posts) - 2 days, 17 hours ago - Show Bio

@sherlock As I already mentioned my team will be a telepathically shielded so you will be unable to sense them.

I am not sure if she can sense Jokergeist in his starting area either as Slade was out of her range in the other submarine and he was a lot closer than 5 miles although I'm sure she can sense them depending on how close they get, although there may be showings that contradict this.

I also gotta say im most curious what your planning here.Its all been intel up till now so im really curious

I wasnt aware it was five miles it certainly doesnt look it. To my knowledge Meg'an hasnt demonstrated that sort of distance but like i said in my last post im still trying to gather stuff from youtube and its been time consuming and difficult.

@sherlock said:

Needless to say Jokergeist you shot yourself in the foot by dividing your team.

Remember, the first thing Raging Raven does when reaching Tier Breche is dispensing Joker Venom into the air. The green gas will be concealed by the pitch black darkness, so Albert, Hei, Zabuza, and Miss Martian will be unaware when they walk out and take a fresh breath of air, only to meet their fatal death moments after. Anyway, first order of business:

1. Ms Martian can go intangible a making her impossible to hit via missiles or she could simply sit there and lobotomize Raven via TP since Raven literally has no defense against that

Wroooooong! *ahem.* You see my dear Sherlock, all four members of the Beauty and the Beast Unit were chosen specifically because each had suffered from intense Post Traumatic Stress Disorder caused by the horrors of war. Basically, they're all extremely insane.


Interesting thought.Heres my counter. Has Raven shown resistance to telepathy? Has she ever been telepathically assaulted? Does she even have a clue as to what it entails? If the answer to all these are no then your insanity backing holds no water. It may make a difference is Meg'an was trying to read her mind or alter it but thats not really what shes doing. Shes simply shutting it off. Again if you can post some valid feat of Raven having TP resistance then by all means provide them but being insane is not the same thing as being resistant to TP and she gets lobotomized the instant she is in range.The scans you posted do nothing to back your claim either. As i said trying to alter a mind like the jokers is like trying to organize a giant stack of papers with no rhyme or reason to them. Turning it off is more like setting fire to the papers. Much simpler

You get the point.

Skip to 1:09

Here, Hei is attacked in a similar way: by multiple controlled blades. He got cut by one and even stumbled... and this was from only a few needles. Thanks to her magic bracers, Screaming Mantis has a limitless amount of daggers at her disposal. Hei fell from a small attack coming from behind him. There is no possible way he can elude endless rapid-fire daggers shooting at him from all directions: to his left, right, above him, below him, everywhere. Where he moves, the daggers follow. If he takes cover, the daggers go around the cover.

Raging Raven will stay in the air and cover Mantis as she manipulates Hei into death. That leaves you with Albert and Zabuza.


LOL i see what you did there

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkpOtrg7GX0

Amusing fact about Heis jacket there was in fact a reason why he wasnt stuck with more objects than a pin cushion. Skip to 1:11 i just enjoy the way he says it.

Hes highly resistant to small arms. Cover is of little use to him and if im not mistaken mantis doesnt seem to like moving around very much.Most of her daggers are going to get stopped by his coat and in that amount of time he could be on top of her to electrocute her to death. Also as a side note this is not factoring in my primary weapon in this case being Ms Martian who would crush Mantis like no other.

According to you, Zabuza will be far away where he has intercepted Laughing Octopus on her trail towards Tier Breche, discovering her with his mist field. Does his mist field have any detection properties that can see past disguises or invisibility? If not then Octopus is safe, and when Zabuza passes by she'll do a sneak-attack utilizing invisibility or disguise. She'll merely impale Zabuza with a tentacle, killing him instantly. If Zabuza somehow escapes her ambush, she'd hold her breath and unleash her Joker Venom gas. Zabuza wouldn't notice thanks to his very own mist field, and when he breaths he dies. When she's done with Zabuza, she too will head back and assist Raven, Mantis, and Joker.


No he doesnt. he like any ninja in Naruto (And if you like you can ask Dex to clarify since he seems to know about it as well) has amazing senses and doesnt have to see you to know where you are. The ability is demonstrated constantly through the series and by people far weaker than Zabuza.His mist field is simply a tool to make it so the opposition cant see. He moves freely through it and has no trouble finding people in it. Zabuza would have little to no trouble finding Octopus even with her camo.Now lets add to that the fact that Zabuzahas octopus beat in almost every physical category as well as having a field of mist that only he can see in and you have the ambusher becoming the ambushed

One thing im curious about how much joker venom do you really think joker can carry into battle? You seem to be under the impression that he has an unlimited supply of the stuff on his person at all times. Im sorry but thats not the case and as Floop said you can only have what you can legitimately carry. The amount you would be using in this scenario is far more than any normal person can carry.

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Oooooookay so that leaves us with Joker and Albert. In this video Albert easily avoids gunfire and charges his targets with crazy martial arts skills.

Skip to 1:00

As you can see, he makes physical contact with his opponents. But there are many opportunities for his opponent to touch him back. When he has Jill pinned against the wall in a choke hold, notice at 1:04 Jill grabs his hand trying to pry it off her neck. That one moment of physical contact is all Joker needs to kill Albert. How? With his Joy Buzzer! Simply put, Joker's joy buzzer is a device that can electrocute enemies to death.

Scenario: Joker repeatedly fires his magnum at Albert, who dodges his fire with ease. Whilst dodging gunfire, Albert speedily confronts the Joker and does some kung-fu moves on him, but suddenly at a moment's notice ZAPP!!!!!! Albert fries to death.

Sincerely,

This is actually laughable but im not an a$$ so ill be civil and go over why it wont happen.

First of all Wesker is about a 5 tonner. Thats more than enough to kill the joker in one blow. He has been shown to punch through steel, catch an RPG and hold it and even put his hand through someones torso. There is no way Joker is going to survive any of those

Next you have the fact that Wesker hates Chris and Jill and enjoys playing with them. He doesnt give a rats backside about the joker and would have no problem ending him instantly.

Finally you have his speed. Joker is not super human and is not even peak human. Its inconceivable to think that he could react to Wesker. If i were to make this battle right now every reply would be something along the lines of

Joker gets stomped

Spite

Why do you hate the Joker etc.

Its a 10-10 victory for Wesker no matter how you slice it up

#6 Posted by Sherlock (6803 posts) - 3 days, 5 hours ago - Show Bio

Alright here we go "Cracks knuckles"

For prep as my usual im just going for general info on the area and creatures as well as team building (Trust falls anyone?) as well as Meg'an getting her TP on and giving my team a mind link. This is very common in the series and should be no trouble for her

After prepping the strategy is simple enough. Search and destroy. Low light isnt a problem due to my teams TP Link and Ms Martians ability to sense people nearby via TP. A basic scan of the area will give my team the whereabouts of the other teams completing the search part of my plan.

Next comes the destroying portion, since @jokergeist has been kind enough to attack my team flat out my team will have no choice but to eliminate him first and foremost.

Going by his strategy id Assume Raven is going to get there first and will apparently try to pin my team down. LOL Several problems with that theory

1. Ms Martian can go intangible a making her impossible to hit via missiles or she could simply sit there and lobotomize Raven via TP since Raven literally has no defense against that

2. If for some reason these factors dont work (TBH Ms martian is going to rip her to pieces in a fight) my team is all fully capable of getting away is need be

Albert Wesker FE dodges bullets in his freaking sleep. The dude is fast enough that the human eye cant even see him moving and makes him appear to teleport. Your girl raven cant touch this

And durability and healing at 4:35 he literally gets a few tons of metal dropped on him.Granted he isnt shrugging that off but he survives it. And lets not forget explosions. He survives that too

Hei is also crazy acrobatic and can move ridiculously fast. he also has unbelievable accuracy with his knives which can also be used to electrocute people.Thats his primary power

The dude is a freaking beast

And Zabuza.Holy crap this guy. Mist jutsu making it damn near impossible for anyone but him to see (Now add that to the dark we already have and everyone is blind completely)

Next we have water clones and just all around watery crap. He makes splash look good (Pokemon reference). Finally hes a very capable H2H combatant and utilizes a very over sized sword (Also feel free to skip around in the video a lot of its typical naruto style chitchat)

Needless to say Jokergeist you shot yourself in the foot by dividing your team. Raven will go down instantly to Ms Martian who is the most powerful telepath in her series according to the Martian Manhunter himself (Who should be able to wreck her but stated that she has the most powerful telepathic mind hes ever encountered).

Next you have octopus who Ms Martian can sense via TP and who Zabuza will be able to find if she in his mist field (Which he can have up in an instant) from there its four to one against an arsenal of people with higher showing than anyone on your team and again the fact that Meg'an can just mind rape her.

This leaves me with 6 out of 8 people left. The most logical scenario from here is to go after the remaining members of jokergeists team since they are down by two. Meg'an can easily find them so that wont be a problem. Next we have the actual battle. This is a horrible stomp Meg'an is far superior to Mantis is naturally every way and the Joker while excelling in prep his H2H showings are not nearly as good. Capable he is but on the tier of my characters hes not. Anyone on my team could kill him in under second. and so would end Jokergeists team

Ill hold off on the rest while Dex gets some more of his strategy up. Im also siphoning through the episodes of young justice on you tube so it may be a little while before i get Ms Martian feats up

#7 Edited by Sherlock (6803 posts) - 9 days, 1 minute ago - Show Bio

There are a lot of loop holes in this one i gotta say.

#8 Posted by Sherlock (6803 posts) - 9 days, 7 minutes ago - Show Bio

@dredeuced: Crazy right?

@esquire:

Much appreciated esquire.Unfortunately i know when i cant possibly win and have been going over scenarios in my head for days on this.

#9 Posted by Sherlock (6803 posts) - 9 days, 31 minutes ago - Show Bio

@esquire: @cadencev2:

I hate to do this to you esquire but iv been contemplating this for days and i cant win. I can only think of like two logical arguments against his team and even they are far fetched. Range vs melee range wins out every time

#10 Posted by Sherlock (6803 posts) - 10 days, 7 hours ago - Show Bio

Lets get this show on the road! I need to try out my crazy strategy!

Use your keyboard!

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